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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 10 15:41:48 2016 [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica I don't want anyone to lose their job, I'm just don't see much proof that giving wealthy people endless tax breaks actually benefits middle class people.

How does giving tax cuts to someone like Paris Hilton help Joe Six-Pack down the block? Would Paris Hilton then create a job for the Average Joe or just buy another mansion? I don't see factories springing up for gold flake infused toilet paper.

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Dec 10 13:14:38 2016 [Edit/Delete]
people buy goods and services at a
rate or price we middle class don't--
if they're not able to do you want
those people provinding those goods
and services to lose their jobs?

cc wolfguard

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 10 03:14:59 2016 [Edit/Delete]
From The Math Myth by Andrew Hacker


(People's experience with math and careers)

My daughter is a published playwright and a finalist in a New York
festival. After being accepted by a college theater program, she was
denied entry because of her poor math score.

I'm one of those people who faced the brick wall of algebra during my
abored attempt a a bachelor's degree. I now write, produce, and direct TV
programs, and have won an Emmy award. Without a grasp of algebra, I still
manage to keep tidy books for my production business.

I am a retired finance type of guy with an MBA. In my forty years of work,
I never have had to solve or use quadratic equations. The times table and
long division usually suffice.

I have a CPA certificate. To this day, I have no idea what trigonometry is
useful for. Another example is the business school requirement of
calculus. Never used it again.

Many of the peers I work with are very good engineers, but have
retained very little mathematics. The reason they have retained so little
is because they do not use it.

I have been an engineer for all of my adult life. Algebra? Calculus?
Differential equations? I have forgotten most of all this from lack of

When I meeet some of our students after they have graduated and taken
engineering jobs, I like to ask them what mathematics they use in their
work. The most frequent response: addition, subtraction, multiplication,

The chief engineer on the Mars Rovers said he failed geometry twice. He
adds that his teacher gave him an F+ so he didn't have to see his face

In my forty years as a math edcator, I have seen too many capable people
crippled by this algebra curse. We are losing too many students to the
gatekeepers who push algebra as some kind of miracle drug for success in

As a teacher of math courses ranging from arithmetic to calculus, I
suggest that programming, statistics, and finance are better uses of most
students' time...

I was a horrible algebra student. The only benefit from having to take a
course was getting this cute guy to tutor me. I still failed, but this
year he and I will celebrate our forty-fifth anniversary.

1 Trigonometry is used to locate objects in space and to model
periodic behavior.

2 I recall an economist talking about his first job interview.
The person interviewing him commented on his thesis which used
sophisticated mathematics. After complimenting him on it, the interviewer
said all he'd need for the job was arithmetic and an understanding of
marginal analysis (too be fair, the latter is often done with differential


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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 10 01:43:10 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm an impulsive book buyer. *g* Unfortunately it's often easier to buy a
book that to find enough time to read it all. :(

That said, skimming a library book titled The Math Myth Andrew Hacker.
It's based on an op-ed in The New York Times which argued schools are
requiring more mathematics than most students will need. Worst, math
requirements are preventing many students from entering careers they might do
well in. Each chapter appears to include quotes from people on how useful or
not math was or has been in their careers. I'll post a few later tonight.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 10 01:08:22 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I've discovered you can apparently download books on iTunes. So many choices. *g*

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Shan says:
(Sat Dec 10 00:11:24 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Wasn't it just?

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 23:59:45 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Slow evening.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 23:59:03 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Brrrr and BRRRRRR

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 19:00:49 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Slow morning!

Agent Cooper Manage to get entered into the company-wide prize drawing and won a $15 iTunes card, although I've never bought anything off iTunes before. Any suggestions?

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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Dec 9 16:33:39 2016 [Edit/Delete]
The Channel between England and France grows about 300 millimeters each year.

Mars has a volcano, Olympus Mons, which is 310-370 miles in diameter and 16 miles high.

The statue The Thinker by Rodin is actually a portrait of the Italian poet Dante.

X-ray technology has shown that there are 3 different versions of the Mona Lisa under the visible one.

A pigs snout is called a gruntle

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 9 14:07:33 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday December 9th 2016 C.E.

We have THREe (3) Birthdays!


Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Kenya, liz, Mayday!

Time for some thrilling heroics.Jayne, 'The Train Job''' [/i]

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 14:01:34 2016 [Edit/Delete]
yay kestra troi!

Happy Thank Joss Its Friday!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 9 13:35:49 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I c an smell f resh catnip, not dry so much.
I think i'll stay away form clove because clove oil is toxic or at least irritating to humans in some concentrations, as I discovered battling the bedbugs 7-8 years ago.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 9 13:34:20 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Well, TJIF! And I have a short day at whup today. So you guys are going to have to keep the Bronze keepin' on without ol' Agent Cooper for the afternoon shift.

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 9 13:23:41 2016 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kestra troi!

yay kestra troi!

Happy Thank Joss Its Friday!

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 08:53:21 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Janni!

Belated Yay Dogmeat!!

Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Having just returned from the Florida Keys, it seems to me that would be a terrible place for vampires... no shade, plenty of sun, and a small, spread out population... what are some others?

There are many animals who have to go to ground during part of 24-cycle or even a season, so the duration of day to night is not of itself limiting. What's critical is the carrying capacity. Here all locales with small populations would be poor choices for vampires. Additionally, deaths or disappearances are more noticeable in small populations. Consequently, vampires would probably favor large metro areas. That said, large metro areas might also support news and government agencies that would detect and respond to suspicious deaths.

Weighing the above, I suspect vampires would favor "third-world" mega-cities, especially slum cities, and perhaps medium cities or bedroom communities close to large metro cities. Vampires would avoid small towns, unless they commuted to their hunting grounds or were strongly drawn to a hellmouth.

Good Night to All


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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 9 08:37:55 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: "Trickle down" is merely a derogatory term for Capitalism. It is used all the time by Progressives who want to tap into the resentment of working people toward the owners of businesses (who employ them) and manipulate those workers. It's the precursor of: "workers of the world unite and seize the means of production." In other words, Marxism. Hillary often derided "trickle down" policies but it IS the basis of capitalism (which DID make many in this country wealthy.) Bill Gates and Steve Jobs DID start businesses (which made them very wealthy) that DID provide well-paid employment for millions of people, and others also profited by the products of those businesses. To disparage Capitalism, calling it "trickle down" is like if people said about Communism, yes, you DO get income equality but it turns out to be more like "shared poverty/misery." This reminds me of the TV program called "The Americans" which features a husband/wife team of Soviet spies during the Reagan administration. They supposedly run a travel bureau as a cover but their real purpose is to find out what the U.S. government is doing, etc. One of their jobs, also, is industrial espionage wherein they learn the secrets of American innovations in producing consumer products and other industries. Why? Because in Communist countries the money is not there to "create" useful products and so they just wait for others to do it and then steal their ideas, etc. (The Chinese are currently doing a lot of this.) This is why the U.S., basically, created the computer industry (and actually created wealth [that can be shared]--something Marxism doesn't do.)


All I Want For Christmas Is You

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 04:58:00 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The businesses serving wealtyh people are businesses employing people -
retail stores, restaurants, service people, etc. What's the optimal
distribution of classes? Don't know for sure. My default position would
probably be for income to distribute as a statistical 'normal distribution',
what is commonly called a bell-shaped curve. The US' income distribution is
not a normal distribution.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 04:06:47 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard There has been always talk of the shrinking middle class. What is the optimal mix of lower/middle/upper class for taxing purposes?

It's hard to have much sympathy for a business that depends on wealthy people to survive nor for wealthy people to have less when they are still rich, relatively speaking. Do wealthy people suddenly become middle-class then?

NAFTA is an interesting challenge. There was a local show that featured several South Dakota state legislators talking about NAFTA and what impact a Trump presidency will have upon it, considering NAFTA benefits agricultural states more I think. They really didn't have much of an answer, other than 'wait and see'

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 03:49:31 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Reagan was a proponent of supply-economics which looks for ways to reward
producers. Two classic ways are cutting taxes and removing unnecessary
regulations.1 Many people also associate supply-side economics
with measures that lessen government's involvement in economic decision-
making.2 One way of lessening the government's involvement is
to cut spending, which Reagan favored in theory.3 Finally, some
folks favoring supply-side economics also believe in a tight monetary
policy, i.e. controlling inflation (more appropriately keeping price level
stable). Presidents have little control over monetary policy since its
tools are in the hands of the Federal Reserve.

One potential problem with supply-side economics lies in how the rewards
for productivity are distributed among all those who are involved in
producing goods and services. The simplified nutshell: the more the
rewards go to the owners of firms the less goes to the workers. Some
people would say this is a zero-sum perspective, i.e. the economic pie has
a fixed size and if one person gets more, then someone else gets less.
Owners would argue we should be more concerned with increasing the pie.
Workers might counter - that's all good in theory, but if our slice
remains the absolute same size, then it what does it matter if the pie
gets bigger?4

Two anecdotal stories on "trickle-down": First, several bedroom
communities who had rich residents who made their money in the NYC
financial industry were economically hurt when those rich folks lost their
jobs following the 2008 financial crash and the following recession.
Second, California state government was financing itself off both the
personal income and capital gains taxes paid by the wealthiest
Californians. Again, the 2008 financial crisis caused these folks incomes
and assets to decline which lead to less taxes in the state's coffers.

Oh, a final example. Any country that has large numbers of its citizens
working in another country often get substantial money inflow from
remittances. If the economy goes sour in the countries where its citizens
are working, then the remittances slacken - often times the citizens
return home to become unemployed/underemployed.

Off that, if a person wants Mexicans to leave the US, then all that has
too happen is for the US economy to go in recession or for the Mexican
economy to go into expansion. The latter is the better option. So be
careful messing with NAFTA.

1 What is considered unnecessary is in the eyes of the

2 OTOH, supply-side economic policies can had heavy government
involvement. It depends how elites view markets and their competitive

3 People who are quick to praise or condemn Reagan probably
haven't studied what he said and what he did over his eight years in

4 In the above I've treated owners and workers as separate, but
it could be argued many workers own stocks, bonds, etc. While this is
true, one would want to look at how ownership is distributed across the
economy. The US is a very unequal country in terms of ownership of
economic assets. The so-called 1% are screwed relative to the 0.1% and
they to the 0.01%. I know a person whose family own several planes and
several residences, but this person says ~ We're not rich. We don't take a
private jet to Paris on a whim.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 02:51:03 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Dec 9 02:53:01 2016
wolfguard Trickle-down, I believe a term used to describe Ronald Reagan economic domestic policy, aka 'Reagaonomics'

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 02:11:53 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

As I remember, most of Trump's promises were written in broad strokes,
e.g. ~Make America Great Again~. Such promises leave much room for
interpretation and implementation. Follows my summary of what I recollect
Trump promised ...

1. "Build the Wall"

Interpretation: Stop people from illegally entering the country and remove
those people who are now illegal residents in the country. Undo Obama's
executive order(s) with respect to "Dreamers" status.

2. Restore "Fair" Trade
I believe the unspoken (?) assumption is that current trade treaties and
associations, e.g. NAFTA, have for a variety of reasons lead to job

Implementation: Exit any existing trade treaties or organizations that are
viewed as flawed. Better trade negotiations in the future, preferably
bilateral ones. OTOH, Trump's statements on axing all current in-progress
trade deals may simply be to prepare a better position from which to redo

3. Keep the country safe from physical attack.

Other than the perennial Republican call for increased defense spending,
the most concrete statement has been Trump's desire to be friends with
everyone, but don't tread on us. This is akin to the Romans or Marine's
saying, ~No better friend, no worst enemy"

As with his trade declarations, his statements that unless allies carry
more of the burden the US may not be there to back them, maybe a
negotiation ploy. If so, it's a very, very risky one. It could well
unravel years of trust and tempt foes to test us and/or allies to seek
accommodation with our foes. OTOH, Trump's temperament and diplomatic
naivete may lead some opponents baffled and they may decide to sit-back
four years and wait him out.

As to "trickle-down" economics, please define. It is like, 'rising waters
float all boats"?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 9 01:36:10 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Trump and his transition team seem to have walked back on almost all of Trump's promises. I know the business/financial community is eager to see more deregulation, but i'm getting vibes of 'trickle down' economic policy.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 9 01:01:08 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Dec 9 01:05:26 2016
Christopher Marlowe,

Excerpts from current issue of The Economist, December 3rd 2016, on
Steve Mnuchin, Trump's nominee for Treasury secretary...

"Like two his last seven predecesors - and his father and brother - he
climbed the ranks of Goldman Sachs ... In the 2000s he briefly worked for
George Soros, an investor ... In recent years he has mostly swapped
finance for films. His entertainment company, in partnership first with
Fox and later with Warner Bros, has produced blockbusters including
"Avatar" and "Gravity" ... In 2009 he and others bought IndyMac, a failed
California bank. Renamed OneWest, the bank foreclosed on defaulting
mortgage borrowers too zealously, according to critics, leading to several
lawsuits ... If the Senate confirms his appointment, (he) will face three
main challenges in office, The first will be to get Mr Trump's fiscal
policy straight ... the second challenge will be to live up to Mr Trump's
promise on trade ... The final, overarching challenge will be to champion
Mr Trump's growth agenda ... the transition team reiterated a promise to
create 25m jobs over the next decade ... Arithmetic suggests this pledge
is fanciful: even if the labour-force participation of 25-to 54-year olds
returns to its record high, only 4.3m new workers will appear by 2024. To
achieve consistently their economic growth of 3.5-4%, Mr Trump's new team
must instead hope for an unprecedented surge in productivity, driven
perhaps, by deregulation..." p.23

Note 1: economic growth is a function of the working population times

Note 2: George Soros is a liberal billionaire investor. Many people of
both libertarian, conservative, and conspiratorial persuasions view him as
puppet-master or wannabe puppetmaster of world government, etc.


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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 8 23:54:58 2016 [Edit/Delete]
R.I.P. John Glenn, astronaut and U.S. Senator

DaddyCatALSO: Wikipedia Herbs and Spices. Standing out are "Catnip" which I don't think Humans can smell--I never have been able to. Basil, which has a pleasantly distinctive odor, and which can be purchased as a growable plant in most produce departments. I like the smell of clove and have once again this year been searching for clove-flavored candy canes. Not around. The old Life Savers© Clove-flavored were my favorites.


What Child Is This?

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 8 23:47:44 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What did the literary Hester Prynne wear on her clothes?
Answer: Scarlett Letter A

Trivia A+ : OldManfan
Trivia F: Maverick, Agent Cooper

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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 8 21:50:36 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 8 22:41:33 2016
Fake News: Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee County says the now-ubiquitous allegations of "Fake News" started with "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" (which never happened)

Birthday Happies to: Candy Kane

(Candy Kane is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #36, in good standing)


O Holy Night

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 8 21:48:03 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Agent Cooper I'm not going for the "defeated by the smallest of all" thing Wells did. Just a countermeasure like SMG used in BtVS, PEter Cushing when chasing Chris Lee through Hammer-Europe, an d Vincent Price in The LAst Man On Earth.

Fruits and vegetables would be hard to weaponize, unless the critters were vulnerable to beign hit by them, and they'd still be hard to conceal ina pocket or upa sleeve. so I want to stick with herbs and spices, or perhaps a small part of a plant, like zest from oranges or lemons or scallion tops.
Salt in *Supernatural* is spinkledpoure d on corpses/skeletons before cremation to exorcise ghosts, don't know what else.

And it's a short story called "Trayvers," about aguy hw ow atches a Show called *Trayvers*, where heroes battle creatures called Trayvers, who like vmapires take ove rhuamn bodies.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 8 21:47:44 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe - Just so you know, I haven't forgotten about the contest. We expect your post here any time declaring that you crushed the competition like bugs!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 8 21:31:20 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper

I am out and about this afternoon! I
escaped the clutches of the office

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 8 19:47:29 2016 [Edit/Delete]


An honest question is whether one is judging a cabinet secretary's performance on their performance with respect to the administration's goals and one's own position on an issue in question.

Since Christopher Marlowe posted on the topic last night, I've been able to a read-in on Trump's choices for education and treasury. One of the education nominee's positions is to promote charter schools. One can judge her on how well she furthers the progress of charter schools. One can also judge her as a good or bad choice depending on where one stands on charter schools.

A President-Elect chooses the cabinet ministers he believes will best forward his goals and, in theory, the goals of those who voted for him. If one doesn't like a cabinet secretary's positions, then one can act to thwart or counter them; however, judging a secretary a poor choice because they don't hold one's own positions is silly.


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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 8 16:28:55 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 8 19:40:09 2016
DaddyCatALSO: I just hope, if you are going to spend your time writing a novel about aliens susceptible to earth's flora and fauna, that it NOT be connected to some other already copyrighted work of art. BTW, the aliens in "War of the Worlds" were killed by our bacteria (flora.) As a former clerk in the produce department, I present you with THIS listing of 10 exotic fruits on earth. The Horned Melon is bizarre and Buddha's Hand is downright scary. I've eaten a starfruit--not bad. Of course one of my favorite vegetables (the artichoke) is hard to handle and would probably injure you (thorns) if you were struck by one.


Christmas Is Coming

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 8 16:13:01 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The Mark of Satan.

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Comma says:
(Thu Dec 8 16:00:33 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 8 16:01:35 2016
'Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends.'

The chance of a reunion and a live show ended, this year, for Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Greg Lake died yesterday from cancer. He joins Kith Emerson who left us in June. Carl palmer remains as the only living member of this great band.

May both R.I.P.!


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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 8 15:54:00 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Dec 8 15:58:22 2016
Trivia Girl: Gore-tex© (which is a Teflon© coating.)

Shan1: Very good. Trump's cabinet will, no doubt, be made up of people with esoteric knowledge of each area (departments) of specialty. But their attitude towards their departments will be determined by Trump and his advisors. If it's done right. Trump will hold them to a certain level of excellence and will fire them if they can't measure up. [Obama put a lot of people in charge of his departments who fulfilled the right quota (color, sex, sexual orientation) but were scant on specific knowledge. Obama would never fire anyone for incompetence. Sebelius ran Obamacare and I don't know if that Obamacare Website (I think IBM or someone volunteered to create if for free, but Obama went outside the U.S. to a Canadian outfit to build the Website. One of the principals in the Canadian outfit is a lady who went to school with Michelle Obama) is yet working properly and is "secure" so it can't be hacked (again.) Obama's latest head of EPA is a lady named Gina McCarthy who looks like a man and who usually does not have the answers for congressional committees, but her job is to regulate industry so severely it is forced to leave the U.S. Obama's Secretary of the Air Force is some lady who has never flown a plane.}

Shan2: DaddyCatALSO keeps wanting to say that the comics are canon, but Joss does not spend enough time with them to MAKE them canon. By now, it's all just a paycheck to him. Another aspect of "Buffy vs. Dracula" is that it is another episode I've identified as being somewhat borrowed from Star Trek TOS. You know, Buffy college roommate Cathy (I now see that actress in commercials all the time) was basically Squire Trelane (a rambunctious alien whose parents had to come and discipline him/her.) The demon in the Halloween episode "Fear, Itself" was basically Clint Howard (Ronnie's little brother) from "The Corbomite Maneuver" (an ogre who turned out to be a pipsqueak.) Dracula's Castle was much like the Halloween scenario in the ST episode "Catspaw." It was created by "those amazing monks" out of people's expectations (from classic literature) of what a Vampire is supposed to be. DaddyCatALSO's mention that Dracula's Castle is mentioned elsewhere doesn't matter. If so, it was probably a continuity error. He says he brought it with him and took it away when he left. Why not bring Fort Knox? Once you understand what the episode was designed to do, you can dismiss it. The monks do such much more fantastic things (creating a flesh and blood person, changing everyone's memories to include her, hide the Key in her) than anything Glory is ever seen doing.

Agent Cooper: I NEVER take anything for a cold or for the flu. If you read the back of the boxes for cold remedies it says things like "not to be taken by someone with thyroid problems," etc. So, it CAN affect other finely balance medical systems and screw up your thyroid, for instance. I say, why risk such side effect when you only have a cold?


I Wonder As I Wander

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OldManFan says:
(Thu Dec 8 15:38:55 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - The Scarlet Letter (A).


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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 8 15:36:18 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What did the literary Hester Prynne wear on her clothes?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 8 15:31:11 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Daddycatalso: You had a post a day or two ago about monsters who can be killed with spices. It jogged my memory at the time but I couldn't remember why.

Today it hit me. Supernatural! I don't watch this show. I've watched two episodes because Felicia Day was in them. :-) But I remember that the monsters could look like people, but they burned if you doused them with salt. At least I think it was salt. So you could tell who was a real person and who was a monster with a person suit on by throwing salt on them.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 8 14:17:09 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, December 8th 2016 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!

Candy Kane
Ninja (Hugs' son)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Candy Kane, Jonathon_H, newtlet, Ninja (Hugs' son)
Spikmeister, slyr314!

They should film that story and show it every Christmas.Xander, 'Faith, Hope & Trick''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 8 14:00:28 2016 [Edit/Delete]
yay janni!

Happy CD Thursday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 8 13:09:14 2016 [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Canned raviolis, ROFL!

Belated Yay! Dogmeat!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 8 12:54:07 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Shan I can see that but the canon comics are certain specified issues, and the only ones I really know much about.

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 8 12:43:56 2016 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for janni!

yay janni!

Happy CD Thursday!

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Shan says:
(Thu Dec 8 07:36:38 2016 [Edit/Delete]
The obvious big question is how much will any of the cabinet picks will be allowed to do their job without interference (in the case of the good ones) and kept reigned in (in the case of the not so good ones) and fired when necessary (the ones who don't work out.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 8 04:46:17 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I only recall the headlines, so will have to read the specifics. For now, the
question may not be whether they are qualified, but whether they hold policy
views consistent with the person judging them. What's your general philosophy
on education or environmental policy? What do you see as the problems and
opportunities the country faces in these areas? What would be your ends and


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 8 04:27:47 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard The one chose to run the EPA and the woman chosen to lead the Dept of Ed, both look like foxes in charge of protecting the hen house.

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white wings says:
(Thu Dec 8 04:01:03 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Yay dogmeat!

Happy Birthday Ana, Angelique's Faith, Erika Amato, KANE, moppety, Witchy Woman, and Xander13!

lostinamerica - Chinese in San Francisco. *sigh* It sounds fabulous.

My SIL is Japanese-American, and she grew up in San Francisco. My brother married her and took her to Hell Lubbock. She is still outraged when she recounts seeing a "Chinese" restaurant there and eagerly trying their wonton soup. She will still, 30+ years later, grip my arm and fire burns in her eyes as she says "The wontons were canned ravioli!

As soon as I get a telemarketing call, I block the number. My block list is rather long. I just hope that it occasionally inconveniences their automated systems. It gives me the illusion of striking back.

Maverick - The onslaught is beginning, on both sides. Popcorn time!

Christopher Marlowe - May your days be board-meeting free, even unto the next year! Try not to volunteer for outdoor activities?

Safarigirl - Time for a new provider, if there is one. If you can find out who the CEO is, possibly a courteous but bitter letter over the injustice meted out to you will cause him or her to send orders down to fix the situation. Sometimes CEOs pay attention. But that will take so long that it's mostly a measure to take in a search for better treatment in the future or for other peoples. You might at least get back a letter promising reform (which will not occur). If Telus is a monopoly, it's unlikely.

Christmas trees are ready for decorating. Such outside decorations as I plan to have are out, just in time before the weather turns cold. It's some progress.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 8 03:35:32 2016 [Edit/Delete]
The Departments

Health & Human Services
Housing & Urban Development
Veterans Affairs
Homeland Security

I believe the head of the EPA has cabinet status, though the EPA is not a


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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 8 03:04:36 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Trump's choice for DOD is considered solid by experts. This assessment also
appears true for his Homeland Security choice. As I recall, his choice for
Treasure Secretary is a man with deep experience in the industry, though his
views are considered beyond the norm by some. Earlier tonight saw a headline
that said Trump's choice for EPA is a person who is ~anti-EPA. I recall Ben
Carson said he did not have the experience to run one department he was being
considered for - believe he was recently nominated for a department.

Which specific people do you see as unqualified?


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 8 02:28:01 2016 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm beginning to wonder how many of Trumps cabinet picks are actually qualified for the job.

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Shan says:
(Thu Dec 8 01:46:18 2016 [Edit/Delete]

I was talking about the different publishing houses when I said different dimensions. There's several different alternate versions of the story thanks to that is what I meant.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 8 00:55:16 2016 [Edit/Delete]
I am aroundabouts!

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 7 23:15:57 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Where did Cordy meet Angel in the first episode?
Answer: at a party

Trivia Party Hearty: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Party Poopers: Agent Cooper

I don't think I've ever heard anyone get a hangover from Nyquil before!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 7 21:33:49 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Shan Yes, Joss ahs said he won't feel obligated to make future filmed efforts compatible with t he comics, but the comics are still s et within a single universe. They have travelled to other dimensions, but these aren't different earths, just hells and other weird planes. The only thing that isn't 100% set in s tone is *exactly* how these comics will ultimately relate to t eh Frayverse.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 7 21:27:39 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Drive by!!!!!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 7 20:56:28 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Question for all: I've decided I need to get serious about my short story "Trayvers" before I try any novels.
Question I have is: within the universe of the TV show within the story, the titular Trayvers are monsters who are damaged by ordinary herbs and spices, not surprisingly. One herb/spice or combination thereof makes them collapse in helpless coughing fits, and another dissolves their skin a nd muscles (a catalytic reaction so it takes very little.)

I want to avoid A-garlic since it's already used for vampires b- anything really toxic like wolfbane c- anything already used for weapons like red chili peppers, mustard seed, horseradish etc.

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Shan says:
(Wed Dec 7 20:48:50 2016 [Edit/Delete]
"any spin on a TV season which doesn't match with the comics is by definition not correct."

Doesn't help that the comics have splintered into multiple dimensions.

Anyway, I know I've seen a statement somewhere that says any new filmed material that's official will overwrite them.

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Safarigirl says:
(Wed Dec 7 20:27:06 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Shan, lostinamerica: That's the plan. But first they have to let me out of their hold queue! Been trying repeatedly but still haven't been able to speak to an actual person. the email customer service washed her hands of it.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 7 19:42:29 2016 [Edit/Delete]

At 1 second and another at 5:00 (Referencing some of yesterday's discussions on episode.)


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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 7 19:39:06 2016 [Edit/Delete]
I am now experiencing the worst Nyquil hangover in the history of mankind.

I cannot focus and I just want to crawl under my desk and sleep for the next 12 hours.

I'm officially off that stuff, never again!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 7 17:49:01 2016 [Edit/Delete]
If I had a mansion with lots of flagpoles out front, today on the lower 2 levels I would fly the 48-star flag, the Hawaii and Arizona state flags, and the service flags of the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 7 17:42:40 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Shan Dracula brought the castle with him and took it when he left. And they do mention it, Dawn and Harmony for example.
Also, even if you don't follow the comics, any spin on a TV season which doesn't match with the comics is by definition not correct.

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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 7 16:30:48 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Dec 7 16:34:45 2016
Trivia Girl: At the Butcher Shoppe (Angel was looking for fresh cow's blood and Cordy was looking for designer t-bones.

Shan: As I love to point out, regarding "Buffy vs. Dracula" Dracula's Castle does not appear anywhere in "Buffy" before or after this episode. I also like to point out that Buffy has her @ss handed to her and that she was totally vanquished by "Dracula," yet survived. Why? How? The "key" is that at the very end of the episode Buffy goes home and who is there? Dawn. The theory was put forward by others (although I agree and have occasionally expanded upon it) that the events of the episode did not really happen, except for a time, in Buffy's head, long enough to extract a sample of her blood (by "those amazing monks") which was needed in order to fabricate a sister, Dawn (as a place to hide "The Key") from Glory. The depiction of the "vampires" in the episode is one that outsiders, with only a cursory idea of their history and powers (almost like they got it out of the popular unconscious,) would present. Remnants of the episode (just like Dawn's fictitious history) have remained in the other character's heads, although no one has ever since talked about Dracula's Castle as a possible place to visit in Sunnydale.

Agent Cooper: For your Christmas present this year (something else you were talking about--the shortest daylight day of the year is December 21st--after that the days start lengthening again) I offer you some of my fiction to read (when you have time.) "Jesus Wins at Bingo" is on my website Maverick's Home Page. It's a short story any Roman Catholic will understand (and possibly, if he likes horror, enjoy.) The others are my scripts ("Unbecoming" and "Spike and Dru, A Love Story") of Buffy episodes, on the same website. Methinks you would enjoy them. They were constructed with much care and appreciation of the characters.


The Chipmunk (Christmas) Song

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 7 16:25:48 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: At a quaint bookstore in Larchmont Village. They both reached for the same book, a Jane Austen anthology, and their hands touched...KISMET!

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Dec 7 16:10:59 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
At a "fabulous Hollywood party"

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 7 15:54:32 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Where did Cordy meet Angel in the first episode?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 7 15:12:22 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Angel Question Answer-

Los Angeles

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 7 14:27:49 2016 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dogmeat!

yay dogmeat!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the florida keys - more sun than vampires can stand

having just returned from the florida keys, it seems to me that would be a terrible place for vampires... no shade, plenty of sun, and a small, spread out population... what are some others?

Happy non-Angel Wednesday!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 7 14:13:00 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Wow. Everybody has a least favorite ep! And they're all different. Heh....

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 7 13:45:34 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, December 7th 2016 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

Angelique's Faith
Erika Amato
Witchy Woman
Xander 13

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to Ana, Angelique's Faith, Erika Amato, KANE, moppety, Witchy Woman, Xander13

Excuse me? Who gave you permission to exist? Cordelia, 'The Harvest'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 7 12:53:18 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe Shan wolfguard Agent Cooper Oh, I forgot, I think I also skipped H"ell's Bells."

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Dec 7 12:28:06 2016 [Edit/Delete]
Belated Yay! werewolf123!

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