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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 28 11:04:26 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for cashmere!

yay cashmere!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 03:30:18 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
This has been quite the remarkable day in Congress and the White House today/tonight. I haven't seen this kind of drama in years.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 01:55:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper No volunteering at events for me this weekend! I may be traveling to the Days of 76 rodeo in Deadwood this weekend, but that would be more of a business trip than for pleasure.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 01:02:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
I am finally home!



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 22:14:02 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper - Phoenix very rarely posts and usually only if there is an issue.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 19:57:28 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
I've been thinking. Does Phoenix ever post on here? I've never seen her post. She is, after all, the one that makes this all possible.

Without her generosity, none of you could benefit from my peerless wisdom and matchless repartee.

:-p



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 19:05:20 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - ie QOD, good choice.

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 18:34:35 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Belated Yay Catriona!

Belated Yay Irene Adler!


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


What term, character name, or place from BtVS/AtS do you still have trouble spelling?

The place where the Fang Gang went for the 2nd season three-episode finale.



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Various individuals over the years have been known as "America's Sweetheart". Who do you think could currently be considered "America's Sweetheart"?

Kristen Bell!

Or she should be. *g*



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 18:14:30 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe - Not if she got mixed up in Lostinamerica's "activities." She may already have a new identity and been taken off the grid.

For this weekend, I'm trying to get my game group together but now that looks like it isn't happening. We meet once or twice a month. Any more often is hard with jobs and kids and lives etc. So now I'm not sure.

What are you up to? No volunteering this weekend?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 17:58:25 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Not sure where she went, I'm sure she'll surface sometime. Are you doing anything this weekend?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 16:28:47 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: The way they keep throwing curve balls, I bet Veronica's Dad will be played by Ted Nugent. Or maybe David Lee Roth. Heh. :-)

Trivia Girl: The SON of the Invisible Man. It was a very special role for him, telling his dad's story.

Hey, where's Notsoshygirl?



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 16:02:59 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Claude Rains.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 27 15:06:13 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: Who played the Invisible man in Invisible Man?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 27 13:07:00 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, January 27th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


BUFFY_FRAY
jinx
Shanell
slayGal730
SupraMonkey

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy_Fray, jinx, Shanell, slaygal730, Supramonkey!



Wesley: And how does your kind define love? Demon: Same as all bodies. Same as everywheres. Love is sacrifice.'Sacrifice'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 27 11:09:44 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greeneyes!

yay greeneyes!


Happy CD Thursday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 03:01:29 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I'm really curious about Veronica's dad. One cool thing about the show is the parents are as interesting as the kids.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:58:20 2017 100.4.183.212) [Edit/Delete]
CM -- Kinda neat how they got Molly Ringwald on
the show. That was a pleasant surprise.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:38:58 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I pretty much said that in ever single episode of Riverdale. I dont' think I've said that about any show other than Buffy.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:31:11 2017 100.4.183.212) [Edit/Delete]
Up to ep 12 of Riverdale.

I did NOT see THAT coming. Holy crap!



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Comma says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:15:50 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
The first step to real US Healthcare is to do away with ambulance chasing lawyers and have all health care cases go to arbitration. The second step to real US Healthcare is to do away with review boards made up of doctors. You do not have prisoners on a parole board so why only have doctors on a medical review broad? Yes there needs to be at least one doctor, or medically trained person on each board, but the board does not need to be controlled, as it is in most states, by persons who have the same profession as the person being reviewed. The third step is to make all elected officials have to use the same healthcare as the general population.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:05:07 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

In the magazine they showed two list side-by-side, animals on the left and
group label on the right. "Lizard" was next to "Cloud". I find that a more
interesting pair, "A cloud of lizards". *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 00:48:59 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Some pairings were
obvious, like lounge for lizard.
*g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 00:31:22 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Spot-On!

that is all

*g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 23:54:09 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
a cloud of bats
a wake of comorants
a prickle of porcupines
a lounge of lizards
a congregation of turkey vultures
a parliament of owls
a gulp of alligators
a sleuth of bears



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 26 23:48:07 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel turn into in 'Smile Time'?
Answer: puppet

Trivia Masters: no one!
Trivia Comedian: Maverick!

Fake Trivia Girl I will take up that challenge!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 26 21:27:16 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO: No, I suggested thinking about it more than half-a-second. The percent of CO2 is not fixed but varies by how much Water Vapor is in the air. If Water Vapor is taken into consideration the overall percentages of other greenhouse gases go way down. If the humidity is 100%, it rains. The humidity over the U.S. is never Zero. It is not irrelevant; it is the MOST relevant. Here's the way the mix looks when Water Vapor is included. Leaving Water Vapor out of the calculation is a favorite trick of the Alarmists to emphasize CO2's contribution to Global Warming. Let me ask you a question that will point out the heating effect of Water Vapor. You live in the north; have you ever been told, on a Winter's night, it's too cold to snow? Translated (from back@ssward): You need clouds to snow and with no clouds it gets much colder much faster as the clouds will hold in the heat but without the clouds, the heat of the day dissipates into outer space. You also see this on most Weather Reports where it's generally warmer when there is cloud cover to hold in the heat.


Maverick


Hips Don't Lie




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 26 19:47:06 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick " Water vapor is by far the most significant greenhouse gas."

Irrelevant. Water vapor is a varying atmospheric component, with temperature and other things constantly changing it. Carbon dioxide has a fixed percentage, and fossil fuels add it to the air.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 18:40:35 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jul 26 18:43:07 2017
Fake_Trivia Girl Here,


Here are some animals ...

alligators
turkey vultures
cormorants
bats
bears
lizards
porcupines
owls

And here are the words used to describe a collection of each ...

parliament
sleuth
prickle
congregation
gulp
cloud
wake
lounge


Match them up!

(pairings provided courtesy of the September issue of Backpacker


WG



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 26 18:28:28 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Truvia Girl: A bar. Angel was walking down the street and turned into a bar for some True Blood.


They're crazy. They are studying the possibility of building industrial plants to suck greenhouse gasses out of the air to eliminate global warming. Let's think about this for more than half-a-second. In 1960 there were 3 billion people on the planet, today there are over 7 billion. (Talk aboot a hockey stick!!) 4 billion more people at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit (let's round it off to 100 degrees each) has added 400 billion degrees Fahrenheit of warming to our planet's surface (YOU do the math.) The temperature at the surface of the sun is only 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit and at the core of the sun 27 million degrees Fahrenheit. And all these extra people breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide. Constantly. They produce a hell of a lot of NEW CO2 and have, of course, added to the concentrations. Now, you may say that all those new hot bodies on earth are so widely dispersed that they have very little net effect, and I would agree BUT mention that the concentrations of CO2 are likewise. NOT COUNTING WATER VAPOR, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 400 parts per MILLION molecules of air. That's like 40 parts per 100,000 or 4 parts per 10,000. The humidity percentage is far more consequential. Have you ever been out in the rain on a Summer day and felt how HOT the rain was? Water vapor is by far the most significant greenhouse gas.


Maverick


Kiss Me




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 26 16:51:45 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe I think they just called that trio The Furies, for some reason.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 26 15:02:12 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel turn into in 'Smile Time'?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 14:01:50 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, July 26th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!



Falcata
seaside
Silver Star

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Falcata, seaside and Silver Star!



Hell, I don't know. If I had wanted schooling, I'da gone to school.Jayne, 'Ariel'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jul 26 13:13:46 2017 70.198.35.151) [Edit/Delete]
The birthdays will be delayed as
windows updating is still running
on my computer.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 12:54:28 2017 70.198.35.151) [Edit/Delete]
Dang windows updates!!

Yay catronia!

Deadguy qod

Kakistos takes me a few second to
remember to spell. I forget what
that female trio who cast the
nonviolent spell on caritas were
called.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jul 26 11:17:37 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for catriona!

yay catriona!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale dictionary - knowledge is power

what term, character name, or place from btvs/angel do you still have trouble spelling?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 02:46:05 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care Systems"1

The Challenge

"The health care system has been dominated by a series of unstable power
relationships among purchasers, insurers, providers, and suppliers. One of
these actors may take center stage for a time, only to be pushed into the
corner by another actor. Which entity has the leverage to get its way
varies from city to city, depending on who has consolidated into larger
institutions. Larger institutions ca (in the case of producers and
suppliers) demand to receive more money, or (in the case of purchasers and
insurers) succeed in paying out less money. Patients continue to be at the
mercy of these powerful institutions, as health care costs rise and as
individuals bear a greater share of those costs ...

...The drive to make money - whether for specialists physicians, for-profit
and nonprofit hospitals, insurers, or pharmaceutical companies -
increasingly determines what happens in health care. For physicians, this
economic motivation may clash with the professional commitment to patient
welfare. The commitment of all health care professionals to the ethical
principles of beneficence, nonmaleficence, patient autonomy, and
distributive justice is tested on a daily basis in the profit-oriented
environment of twenty-first century health care in America..."

(This ends the excerpts)


1Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 02:01:03 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Here now.

"Six down. Forty-two to go."


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 01:27:57 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Are you around?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 00:24:13 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
I am hereabouts and discovered Scaramucchi is apparently triggering 'Bohemian Rhapsody'



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 25 22:34:32 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What writer sang about getting a ticket in 'Once More With Feeling'?
Answer: Marti Noxon

Trivia Cops: OldManFan
Trivia Robbers: AGent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 22:05:41 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper No plans to replace her yet, as the company is doing a site review of all the satellite offices. So it's gonna suck for a while, but I won't have it as bad as my boss, who is already overloaded and now will have to assume some of the duties of the person who is leaving.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:45:12 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: That sucks! Are they going to hire a new person?

Our sales numbers are down. On top of that my counterpart is retiring on Friday. Another team member has volunteered to take over that job but she'll need alot of help for a while. Also, a salesperson just quit. So I'll have to do that person's job till they hire somebody or just close that position. I'm rooting for option B.

So my life is going to be pretty interesting for a few weeks at least, doing essentially 3 jobs.

And by "interesting" I mean "miserable."



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:28:27 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Marti Noxon sans underwear.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:13:31 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Is the week starting off well?

WE are losing a person in our department, in the middle of a very big project, so everyone is not particularly happy with assuming a bigger workload.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 25 16:54:15 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Ernest Hemingway


And just like Hemingway
He showed me anyway.
You can be a hero,
all you have to know is what to say.
-Blue Clocks Green



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 25 14:52:16 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What writer sang about getting a ticket in 'Once More With Feeling'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jul 25 12:01:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, July 25th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Grinn
Natty
Sassyeggs
Superrmk

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Grinn, Natty, Sassyeggs, Superrmkturtle!



Wash: You want a slinky dress? I can buy you a slinky dress. Captain, can I have money for a slinky dress? Jayne: I'll chip in. Zoe: I can hurt you.'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:51:50 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay irene adler!

deadguy qod

I still have a soft spot in my heart for Julia Roberts!

If we are talking Buffy, that would be Tara.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:43:12 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Irene Adler!


Belated Happy Birthday dirty
socks!



Belated Yay! octoquad!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:18:40 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for irene adler

yay irene adler!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

titles 'r us - want a title, we have plenty to hand out

various individuals over the years have been known as "america's sweetheart". who do you think could currently be considered "america's sweetheart"?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jul 25 05:23:32 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Why Socialism Fails.


Christopher Marlowe: Have you heard the radio public service message (or maybe it's a commercial) about prior armed services personnel being diagnosed with PTSD and how many commit suicide and the potential helping treatment of providing them with a service dog. Dogs really ARE man's (and woman's) best friend.


Maverick


Tuesday Afternoon




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 02:05:38 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've come across that line of reasoning. To me, suicide often seems to be a
means to different ends. Unbearable physical pain, absolving personal
disgrace, striking an enemy as a way to eternal life, ending teen-age
bullying, a soldier falling on a grenade to save his buddies, sparing family
the further cost of your aging, and the like.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 01:25:50 2017 67.158.25.23) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

I was reading an article about
about suicide. Part of the article
mentioned a trend of disconnection,
people do not have as many strong
real life social bonds as in times
past and that is leading to more
'death by despair'



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 01:21:30 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care Systems"1

The New Millennium: Provider Power Re-Emerges (cont'd)

"The Pharmaceutical Industry Comes Under Criticism"

"...In 1988, prescription drugs accounted for 5.5% of national health
expenditures. With 71% of drug costs borne out of pocket by individuals and
only 18% paid by private insurance plans, these costs had little impact on
insurance. In contrast, by 2009, prescription cost had risen to 10.1% of
total health expenditures, with only 21% paid out of pocket, the rest
covered by employers, insurers, and governmental purchasers...

...For years, drug companies have been the most profitable industry in the
United States, earning net profits after taxes close to 20% of revenues
compared with 5% for all Fortune 500 firms...

...R&D for the largest drug companies consumed 14% of revenues in 2002,
while marketing and administration accounted for 33% and after-tax net
profits 21%...

...From 2006 to 2008, the health industry spent more money on lobbying than
any other sector of the economy, and the drug industry was the largest
contributor with the health industry...

...some drug companies ... have paid generic drug manufacturers not to
market generic alternatives...

...Four out of five physicians have some type of financial relationship
with the pharmaceutical industry...

...Private health insurance companies have mounted the most effective
response to the drug industry by creating tiered formularies in which
generic drugs have lower copayments than brand-name drugs. As a resultf,
75% of all prescriptions filled in the United States in 2009 were for
generic products. This development has slowed the rate of growth of
pharmaceutical costs. However, some brand-name drug companies are starting
to produce generics, and the generic industry is starting to consolidate
into fewer and larger companies; these trends could mean that generic
prices may rise to levels not far below brand name prices..."

(This is one reason why the answer to innovation through competition may
not happen. Instead of deploying money to compete, money is deployed to
purchase the competition.)


1Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 00:53:33 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Requires pondering.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 00:28:25 2017 67.158.25.23) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

Thanks for the songs!

Is the a good theme song for Buffy
aside from the opening theme?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 24 23:17:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: The Body
Question: What is the act of 'NICTITATION'?
Answer: Winking or blinking

Trivia Winkin, Blinkin and Nod: notsoShyGirl!
Triva comedians: wolfguard!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 24 18:12:35 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Monday, Monday - The Mamas & The Papas


Manic Monday - The Bangles



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 24 18:08:38 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
just another manic Monday, I wish it were still Sunday.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 24 17:39:51 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Shocking question for a family board, given "Nic" is British slang for "steal". ;-)

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jul 24 17:22:56 2017 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Winking



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 24 14:43:48 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jul 24 14:44:23 2017
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: The Body
Question: What is the act of 'NICTITATION'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:55:11 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, July 24th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Alyiania
BiffyBuffy
Dirty Socks
Kalika


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alyiania, BiffyBuffy, Dirty Socks, Kalika



This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right? Dawn, 'Listening to Fear'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:46:42 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay octoquad!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:27:26 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for octoquad!

yay octoquad!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 22:18:15 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Comma That would be something to see for sure!



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Comma says:
(Sun Jul 23 19:26:06 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Trivial Girl: I have seen a bull, of the cow type, that weight a little over a ton, jump a six foot fence. God help us if a bull Elephant could jump.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 23 17:04:27 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Lostinamerica,

Haven't forgotten. Diagramming your reasoning on health care costs.

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jul 23 15:34:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday July 23rd 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia Chase
Misty Mage
NJ Wicca
Sententia
Sufi
YOUNGBOB

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Charisma Carpenter, Misty Mage, NJ Wicca, Sententia, Sufi, YOUNGBOB!



! kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him. Buffy, 'Faith, Hope & Trick'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 14:20:32 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 03:03:36 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
and I am back home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 00:12:27 2017 70.198.53.12) [Edit/Delete]
At a friend's house,burgers are on
the grill!

Everyone enjoy your night!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 18:55:06 2017 70.198.32.194) [Edit/Delete]
Late morning in drive by

Combining a bit of work through
tourism!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jul 22 14:34:28 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, July 22nd 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Jai
piedog
Spikette
Undead

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Jai, piedog, Spikette, Undead!



Yeah, but you're an amateur fry cook and I come from a long line of fry cooks that don't live past 25.Buffy, 'Doomed'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 13:25:03 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Early Morning Drive-By
Night person. *g*

Woken up. Up. Post.

Lostinamerica,

Read, will ponder and reply later today. *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely understand your position. If the problem is fear of some given legislation being past, then one might well hope a president is incompetent. *g* OTOH, if the 3 o'clock in the morning phone call happens - remember that ad? *g* - then one might want a competent person answering the phone.

Some folks complain that President Trump has given the military too wide a rein, but I'd feel more comfortable with Mattis or McMaster answering that call, than Trump. And Mattis is now, technically, a civilian, i.e. retired from the USMC.

Often people assume military leaders first, even desired, option is force. This is far from the reality. Many, if not most, caution the use of force. I believe Mattis said if the Department of State is not well-funded, then he will need more funds for ammo.

WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jul 22 12:08:23 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Yes, the focus has been to provide health care to as many
Americans as possible. If that's your only goal, you could easily craft a bill
to accomplish that. But if you also want to rein in health care costs, that
really complicates things. I never got the impression quality of care was an
issue, except for the low quality of care people without health insurance get.

The main problem I see is basic economics. You want to give more people health
insurance. Since most people get their health insurance through work, that
means the people without health insurance aren't working or are working at a
job level where insurance isn't covered by an employer (I'm leaving out any
self-employed people who may not have insurance due to the high cost). How is
someone who isn't working or working at a high enough level going to be able to
afford the health insurance cost born by employers? They can't, so then who
pays that cost--it gets spread among those who are able to pay and health care
costs rise. I just don't see a way around this very basic fact. If you want
to cover people who can't bear the cost, how can the cost NOT rise for those
who can?

And yes, that is a lengthy article :)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 03:19:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Bieber is a young man with great talents, but he has been adopting a 'bad boy' persona for quiet some time. Like many a young man, he will not likely to listen to his betters and continue to be adored by many. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 02:03:47 2017 70.198.38.69) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

I think pence would be a lot more
competent, however I fear he would
be too successful in passing
legislation I think is bad. So I
feel quite the conundrum as a
bleeding heart liberal.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 02:01:48 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

On a lighter note, China has banned Justin Bieber from performing in China,
because of bad behavior. According to the BBC (online) the Culture Bureau said
(in part?) ...

"Justin Bieber is a gifted singer, but he is also a controversial young
foreign singer"

"We hope that as Justin Bieber matures, he can continue to improve his own
words and actions, and truly become a singer beloved by the public,"


*g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 01:43:22 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The Republican party assumed they had a president who would sign whatever they
sent him. Sometimes he seems to behave as if he would (~ I'm waiting here with
pen in hand for a bill) and other times not (~~ health care needs to be for
all (uber-paraphrasing here)). It may not matter sometimes, because the
Republican party is unable to get enough agreement among themselves to pass
some legislation.

For me, it's relatively simple. I disagreed with practically all of his
positions expressed during the primaries and general election. That said, I
don't want him to botch a major foreign policy crisis - which he shows himself
capable of doing - botching it up.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 01:26:27 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Trump's administration is not particularly cohesive, but it does appear to reflect Trump himself.

I'm not sure what I want out the White House, right now.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 00:41:58 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

His experience is an example of one reason the President is having difficulty
finding enough people to fill his administration.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 23:34:47 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 19:05:07 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Looks like Sean Spicer has quit. Wow.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 21 19:04:31 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 18:41:27 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Elephants can jump. They've just do it in the blink of an eye. *g*


Lostinamerica,

From a distance it appears to me that many of those involved in creating and enacting the ACA, aka Obamacare, had three main goals:

1 - Expand coverage

2 - Control costs

3 - Improve quality

My impression, based on limited reading, is during the process many of them put coverage ahead of cost.1

A few years ago Steven Brill wrote a lengthy article on American health care. He observed the public debate usually revolved around who should pay for it, but he was interested in exploring why it cost so much.2 I think that's a better place to begin.

From the chapter, ~"Conflict and Change in American Health Care" in Understanding Health Policy it appears greed weighs greatly in health care decisions. Before 1970 cost were not great enough to concern most purchasers, i.e. business and government. Since 1970 it has and this has resulted in conflicts between providers/suppliers and purchasers/insurers. Each group seeks ways to increase their power to affect the price. During a given time, American health care reflects which group dominates.

1 Though I suspect many of them would argue expanded coverage was one way to control cost.

2 Why medical bills are killing us


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 21 14:52:36 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia of the day for Friday!


The starfish is one of the only animals who can turn its stomach inside-out.

The elephant is the only mammal that cant jump.

The penguin is the only bird who can swim, but not fly.

Q is the only letter in the alphabet that does not appear in the name of any of the United States.

One quarter of the bones in your body are in your feet.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jul 21 13:03:05 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, July 21st 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Jenn
levitation junkie
Miss Edith
R o B

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Jenn, levitation junkie, Miss Edith, R o B!



Time for some thrilling heroics. Jayne, 'The Train Job''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 12:55:37 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay glow boy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jul 21 12:29:45 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Step
slooowwwly away from the Hot
Pockets and toward some nice
cheese, nuts and fruit :)


wolfguard--I guess
repealing and replacing Obamacare
isn't really the issue, then ;)


Shade of Bronze--Hope your
daughter is OK :)


Agent Cooper--Have fun for
us :) Where are you?


Yay! Glow Boy!


Belated Yay! greengirl and
halfrek!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 21 11:11:01 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for glow boy!

yay glow boy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Shade of Bronze says:
(Fri Jul 21 07:04:22 2017 47.146.131.104) [Edit/Delete]
Just now lurked and got caught up, but it's bed time for me, I took notes *g* and will try to post over the weekend.

I've been devoting my days to my daughter and what she is going through.

But I'm still here with you all and appreciate being privy to your conversations!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 04:06:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Whoops, I am wrong. Donald is not the Disco Duck, he is an entirely different duck person.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 03:15:10 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care System"1

The New Millennium: Provider Power Re-Emerges

Providers: Physicians, Hospitals, and the like.

"In the mid-1990s, most health care analysts were certain that tightly
managed care - with purchasers and insurers dominating health care
providers - had become the new paradigm for health care in the United
States. By 2001, this certainly had evaporated. From 2000 to 2010, HMO
enrollment dropped from 32% to 19% of insured employees ... During those
years, preferred provider organization (PPO) enrollment grew from 30% to
60% of insured employees. Tightly managed care was faltering...

"...Hospitals consolidated into hospital systems and demanded large price
increases from insurers. Physicians balked at tight managed care contracts.
Negotiations between health care providers and insurers became increasingly
hostile, with one side or the other often refusing to sign contracts. As
hospitals and providers gained an upper hand in negotiations with health
plans, HMOs in turn demanded more money from employers. Insurance premiums
for family coverage went from an average of $6,000 per year in 2000 to
almost $14,000 in 2010 ...

...Employees out-of-pocket health care costs increased 34% from 2004 to
2007...

...In most states, three large insurance companies control more than 60% of
the market ...

Providers also consolidated ... Consolidation went hand in hand with
organizations converting from non-profit to investor-owned "for profit"
status as they sought to raise capital for buy-outs, market expansion, and
organizational infrastructure ... By 2009, most specialty hospitals,
imaging centers, ambulatory surgery centers were investor-owned...

,,,more lucrative third-party payment for procedurally oriented specialty
care has been one of the key factors shaping physician workforce weighed
toward nonprimary care fields and a hospital sector filled with tertiary
care facilities. Emblematic of this trend is the emergence of a new type of
for-profit hospital, the speciality hospital fully or partially owned by
groups of specialist physicians. Aso of 2010, 265 of these hospitals
existed in the United States, typically limiting their services to cardiac
and orthopedic procedures - service lines that are well reimbursed.
Physician owners of these hospitals double benefit financially, receiving
income from both the payment for the services they directly provide and
their share of hospital profits. Moreover, physician owners often channel
well-insured patients from nonprofit general hospitals to their own for-
profit specialty hospitals. In one example, 16 cardiac surgeons and
cardiologists shifted patients with heart disease from a university medical
center to a new hospital only caring for patients with heart disease ...
Uninsured patients continued to have cardiac procedures at the university
hospital ...

... the common practice of physicians referring patients for imaging tests
at a facility owned by the same physician is associated with higher volumes
of imaging services, increasing costs, and exposing patients to unnecessary
radiation...

...Single-specialty groups have grown markedly since the late 1990s. Two
major drivers of this growth are (1) the ability of organized specialists
with market power in a local area to negotiate for high reimbursement rates
from insurers and (2) the bringing together of capital to invest ... as a
result of thes trends, the income of specialists who offer procedural or
imaging services has far outpaced the growth in earnings of primary
physicians ...

(I'm going to summarize some material. To compete nonprofits community
hospitals have set-up 'specialty service lines' to attract specialists
physicians and well-insured patients ... leads to less focus on
'traditional medical-surgical wards.)

"...These trends pull health care ... farther away from a primary care-
based, community responsive model. Evidence suggests that this trend will
fuel continued inflation in health care costs without yielding commensurate
benefits for the health of the public..."

(There's a section on the pharmaceutical industry that I will post excerpts
on tomorrow.)


1 Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 02:12:20 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Donald was the Disco Duck?!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 02:05:41 2017 70.198.40.147) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

I don't think Donald duck would
like duck dynasty, duck season you
know...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 00:59:54 2017 70.198.57.70) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

Oh now that is sneaky! It wouldn't
be the first time something was
set to take effect after an
election.

Congress critters are a devious
lot.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 00:26:28 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jul 21 00:27:58 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Yesterday, Mitch McConnell told Republicans, as I understood ...

(1) The bill can be amended.

(and to your point)

(2) It would not go into effect for two years.1


~ Therefore there should be no problem in voting for it.


What was not addressed is how the uncertainty affects consumers, providers,
suppliers, and insurers' planning.


1 Therefore its effects would not be known till after the 2018
mid-terms. Cowards. *g*

ETA Trivia Girl

The founder of Duck Dynasty? :)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 23:25:58 2017 70.198.58.15) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard. The replace option
failed but I'm not sure what would
happen if the repeal passed



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 20 23:06:02 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Truvia Girl: I call you THAT as somewhere I recently read that Stevia (the alternative low-cal sweetener) is being investigated as a potential cure for Lyme Disease. Now, that's important. Meanwhile Disco Duck by Cheese-It Ritz and the Quackers or just by Rick Dees (I seem to remember a Rick Dees as some kind of disk jockey somewhere.)


Maverick


Superfreak




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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 20 21:45:20 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Since no on answered the question, please consult the following link!

Disco Duck



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 21:26:57 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm looking to post the last section on health care history later tonight.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 20:19:17 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jul 20 20:19:33 2017
The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.

- tweeted by a Saudi citizen


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 19:44:34 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I know. The diminishing number of posters, lack of interesting topics to discuss that doesn't involve politics and everyone is busy with summertime stuff. I know I've been trying to enjoy more activities.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 18:00:10 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


What we have here is a failure of content. :(


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 20 14:59:25 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Pop music
Question: Who had the hit 'Disco Duck'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 20 11:51:29 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, July
20th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Ember
Little Bubbles
KittyWillow
Slayfaith

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Ember, Little Bubbles,
KittyWillow, Slayfaith!



Hell, I don't know. If I had
wanted schooling, I'da gone to
school.Jayne, 'Ariel'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email
oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 20 11:03:48 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for halfrek!

yay halfrek!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 06:41:33 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Greengirl!


Christopher Marlowe,

I first thought - bizzaro! *g*


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Does California still lead the U.S.. in number of vampires now that the hellmouth is no longer there?

Very likely. Sunnydale collapsed in on itself and the hellmouth shifted and emerged elsewhere in California.



Night All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 00:32:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That must have been quite the shocker, seeing the Master kill Buffy straight off.

I am starting to see the value of remaining spoiler-free for shows. *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 19 23:54:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What does the word 'Shanshu' translate to in the Angel series?
Answer: To Live or Die

Trivia Powers that Be: Maverick
Trivia Glitter Twins: notsoShyGirl, missmuffet (hi!)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 19 22:49:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Yo Maverick!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 19 19:20:48 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Shan, get outta here. (BTW, I love the movie, "To Live and Die in L.A.")


Questions about Health Care. As someone who has administered Group Health Care Plans over a period of around 40 years, I can tell you what happened. First of all, in the late 1970's in Group Plans there were only 3 categories and all premiums were 100% paid for by the employer. Single was around $100 a month. Married was around $175 a month and Family (including children up to 19 unless they were full-time in college and then a tad longer at an additional premium) at around $250 a month. As time progressed AND medical care costs (what the insurance companies had to pay) rose, coverage became more expensive. In time the "family" amount got separated and the number of people covered in a family were each charged for. Then what happened is that the companies agreed to pay for Single Coverage (the employee) and the employee had to pay each month for the premium cost ABOVE Single Coverage. At that point employees with large families were being charged (payroll deduction) significant amounts per month (but still at a discount [because it was a Group Plan]) versus what an individual policy would cost. Then, while the premiums kept going up (because medical health care kept getting more expensive) the employers began to pay just a percentage of the cost, like maybe 1/3rd, and the employee had to pay 2/3rd (again payroll deduction per month.) I remember when a family plan would cost OVER $10,000 per year, whereas it originally cost around $3,000 per year. This was in construction companies, which had to fight for work. The total Health Care Cost (at the bottom line) went from around $10,000 per year to well over $150,000 per year (even with the employee's contribution.) It takes quite a bit of profitable construction work to withstand costs at this level. Nowadays it's standard for the company to pay a nominal amount per employee and let the employee pay the bulk of the cost. I found that I had to take quotes from the various companies each year and sort through the various coverages to attempt to buy the lowest costing insurance (but with a quality company.) It seems like companies would quote low-ball amounts on a NEW policy (thinking they could raise their rates the following year.) I had to switch companies each year and got all kinds of complaints, but that was what was necessary to be able to afford this coverage. Obamacare is failing. It demands a basic level of expensive coverages that most people don't need and/or want. Insurance companies no longer want to provide these coverages because they are losing money (unless the government subsidizes it.) Obamacare is going off a cliff BUT it was always intended to fail. It was always a bait-and-switch with SINGLE-PAYER (nationalized, socialized) health insurance (the payer being the Federal Government.) The Federal Government, even if this was a good idea (which it is not,) cannot afford this kind of expensive PREMIUM coverage and the Government is the worst administrator of any kind of big program spending. Look at all the Medicare fraud; look at the inefficiencies of the Veteran's Administration; look at the dilemma of baby Charlie Gard versus the British United Health Service. Trump speaks to Senators regarding the impending demise of Obamacare and the need to do something because the Democrats are just obstructing.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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missmuffet says:
(Wed Jul 19 19:04:08 2017 98.162.224.115) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: To live and to die. To die one must first be alive.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 19 18:20:40 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Belated Yay KAM!



Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


What was the biggest BtVS spoiler you wish you hadn't read or heard?

Faith being apparently killed by Buffy in Graduation Day 1. After first season, I never saw the first airing of an episode live. I saw them on video. Nevertheless, I would risk the Bronze on Tuesday nights. *g* It was on May 18, 1999 that I saw a posted spoiler about Faith being stabbed and falling from a height. Grr Argh!!!!!

A similar event happened for The Wish. I must not have fully rewound the video tape, because when I hit 'play' the first thing to appear was the Master breaking Buffy's neck! What?!?!?

*g*



WG


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