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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 18 18:29:46 2017 70.198.54.238) [Edit/Delete]
I am hitting the road for a one day
conference in pierre south Dakota.
So the beta might be more dead than
usual!!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 18 18:05:23 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
From Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand ....


Politeness costs so little and can buy so much.


The art of statesmanship is to foresee the inevitable and to expedite its occurrence.

Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie!" till you can find a bigger stick.


Beauty, devoid of grace, is a mere hook without the bait

There is one body that knows more than anybody, and that is everybody


This is worse than a crime, it's a blunder

Above all, gentlemen, not too much zeal.



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 18 13:02:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, August 18th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


ArielB
BladeGirl
David Mello
LurkingGirl
Tech Zero
TVDictator
XandersGirl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ArielB, BladeGirl, David Mello, LurkingGirl, Tech Zero, TVDictator, XandersGirlturtle!



Wesley: I stabbed you. I should apologize for that. But I'm honestly not sure how. I think it'll just be awkward. Gunn: Good call. Wesley: Okay. 'Time Bomb'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 18 12:55:05 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay ronia!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 18 11:00:08 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ronia!

yay ronia!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 18 03:19:05 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe that's an excerpt from one of the "what-if's" in the special "what-
if" piece run a few weeks ago. Some others, from memory ...

- The Ottoman Empire survived

- An EMP was created above the US

- Something about virtual reality

- Something about the fine-tuning of the universe

- Donald Trump won a second term


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 18 01:47:41 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
excerpt from an article on the Economist


"Open borders would make foreigners trillions of dollars richer, observes Mr Caplan. A thoughtful voter, even if he does not care about the welfare of foreigners, should not say...So what? Instead, he should say, Trillions of dollars of wealth are on the table. How can my countrymen get a hefty piece of the action? Modern governments routinely use taxes and transfers to redistribute from young to old and rich to poor. Why not use the same policy tools to redistribute from foreign to native? If a world of free movement would be $78trn richer, should not liberals be prepared to make big political compromises to bring it about?"

Trillion Dollar Free Lunch



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 18 00:57:31 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Are you hereabouts?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 18 00:02:59 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCATALSO Trolls ruin just about everything online. They should just stick to hiding under a bridge.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 17 23:19:10 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Games
Question: What game would you use a game piece called a squidger?
Answer: tiddlywinks

Trivia Humorist: wolfguard!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 20:46:55 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Finally coming up for air.

wolfguard LOL! It doesn't sound like a tasty fish. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 17 20:15:21 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

A hook and a bucket of water. :)

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Aug 17 16:46:28 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
checked my Twitter notifications Saturday, interesting interactions with the celebs.

I had noticed I could no longer post a message on Amber's Facebook page. I went on twitter and said I felt bad if we fans in general were abusing it, a nd was downright apologetic in case she had blocked just me form something I posted. She responded it wasn't me, she was just getting too much spam from trolls. I thanked her for the reply.
A few weeks back, when I got the idea Charisma had broken up with Mike Rossi of The Public Trust, I Tweeted to both that I "really thought you spunky kids could pull it off" and that I felt sad for them. He liked my post, kind of confirming they are finis.
Also, this goes back a lot further, but Adam liked my suggestions for roles for him: John in a Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte remake, title role in a Milton Berle biopic, and Howard Sprague in a Mayberry movie



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 17 14:52:54 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Games
Question: What game would you use a game piece called a squidger?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 13:05:57 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, August 17th 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Addict No.1
British Angel
Christa
Drubie
Jezebel_817
RocStar

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Addict No.1, British Angel, Christa, Drubie, Jezebel_817, RocStar, turtle!



Well, we may not have parted on the best of terms. I realize certain words were exchanged. Also, certain... bullets. But that's air through the engine. It's past. We're business people. Mal, 'Serenity'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 12:50:29 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica There are a few events over this weekend where if you attend, you can get a free pair of glasses. Unfortunately, I will be out of town!

yay dayzee!


Happy CD Thursday



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Aug 17 10:56:58 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Eclipse Fever is really building in Nashville--after
being notified by the manufacturer late last week they wouldn't be able to fill
my order the hunt was on! I heard they had them at a local kids' museum,
Adventure Science Center, drove there and got them :) The news reported they
sold 50,000 pairs in three days, 50,000! I was lucky, not only did I get them
but I didn't have to stand in line--people were in line earlier for hours :o

Fully expecting now for it to be cloudy and rainy Monday at noon ;)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 17 10:05:11 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dayzee!

yay dayzee!


Happy CD Thursday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 02:42:49 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Yeah, about a 94-95 percent of a full eclipse. And the weather is looking alright, partial clouds. Lots of eclipse events happening this weekend. Since I don't have the proper glasses, I'll probably make up one of those eclipse boxes.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 17 02:10:16 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I pulled that from a reader's review of the book. In the review he lists
several points he pulled from the book. This one ...

2. A lifetime of treatment is preferable to a cure.

... probably applies to your question.


Classical economics argues that goods and services are not offered because
the provider wants to do good, but because the provider gets a reward. The
Golden Rule says, ~ Treat others as you would want to be treated.
Unfortunately, for this to work across a society everyone would have to
share the same desires.1 Someone offered 'The Platinum Rule' as
an improvement: Treat others as they would want you to treat them.

But how do you learn how they want to be treated? ....

I got distracted and lost my train of thought. *g* C'est la vie.

Anyway, the eclipse. I won't be looking at the Sun and the Moon, but will
watch the faux appearance of sunset and sunrise ... if the weather holds.
We've had daily rain in Atlanta this summer, usually in the afternoon.

South Dakotans getting a good view?


1 The masochist told the sadist, "Hit me!". The sadist replied,
"No."


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 01:46:00 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard ON an entirely different subject. Do you plan to see the eclipse and do you have eclipse glasses?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 17 00:31:49 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard What kinds of incentives. Incentives to do good vs a profit?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 17 00:10:45 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"... 'If the March of Dimes was operating according to today's foundation
models, we'd have iron lungs in five different colors controlled by iPhone
apps but we wouldn't have a cheap polio vaccine,' Rosenthal quotes Dr.
Michael Brownlee. The incentives are all wrong..."

From David Wineberg's Amazon review of An American Sickness by
Elisabeth Rosenthal.


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 16 23:13:12 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the sign Angel slapped on Lindsey's truck when he left LA?
Answer: Cops Suck

Trivia Does not Suck: notsoShygirl!

And cops rock!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 19:44:32 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
slow morning, noon and afternoon! Doesn't help when I am always too busy at work to post!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 16 18:34:04 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


werewolf123,

I'm often seen Japan's area as being a little under California' area. Just googled the latter, ~156,000 miles2

Of possible interest ...

19 Maps (buzzfeed)

Comparative Growth Trends (Youtube)



WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Aug 16 16:46:47 2017 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Cops Suck



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 16 15:03:51 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the sign Angel slapped on Lindsey's truck when he left LA?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 16 13:10:00 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, August 16th 2017 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Amywyn
TheName


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Amywyn, TheName!



I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that? Xander, 'Buffy vs Dracula'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Aug 16 12:58:53 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Xanfan32!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 12:52:43 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay xanfan32!

deadguy qod

Definitely prom! I can't see any kind of American holiday surviving into the firefly universe, but dancing in pretty clothes is timeless.



Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Aug 16 11:09:59 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for xanfan32!

yay xanfan32!

todays deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

cosplay - although it is easier with all other joss shows than btvs

does the episode shindig(firefly) have more in common with the prom or halloween?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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werewolf123 says:
(Wed Aug 16 06:38:21 2017 68.12.72.107) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard: Japan 146,000 sq miles pop
127 million.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 16 02:42:07 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

For several seasons I worked a large summer camp that employed a number of
college age students from overseas. Almost all of them would travel the states
after camp and before returning home. Often during their free time they would
plan their trip to see the US. Early during camp a common plan was some
variation on the following ...

DisneyWorld - Miami - New Orleans - Grand Canyon - Los Angeles - San Francisco
- Chicago - New York City (from which most flew home).

Near the end of camp most of their plans had changed to visiting one or two of
their campers, touring a few places in Florida, and then NYC. A few would chip
in and buy a clunker car and see how far they could go. Some would contact one
of the companies that contracted people to drive cars cross country. Those who
could pull together the money and/or contacts would go to LA or San Francisco.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 02:23:24 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I wonder how European tourists deal with it when they tour America?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 16 01:34:40 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

- France is a little bit smaller in area than Texas, but has ~ 2.5 times the
population.

- Italy is around 116,000 square miles to Arizona's ~113,000 miles, but has
over eight times as many people (60 million to 7 million).

- California has ~39 million people to the UK's ~65 million people, but the UK
is only 60% the size of California.

Nutshell: Relative to the US, Europe is crowded.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 01:23:13 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That's just mind boggling to me, but i'm not sure in which direction. That so many are in Germany or so few in Montana.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 16 01:17:59 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I just googled area and population for both Montana and Germany.

Area

Montana: ~147,000 square miles

Germany: ~138,000 square miles


Population

Montana: ~ 1 million

Germany: ~ 82 million



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 00:46:59 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Germany is the size of Montana? That puts a new perspective on things for me. There is a lot of Montana, but it's hard to think a whole country's worth.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 16 00:28:06 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What kind of vengeance did Halfrek do?
Answer: Vengeance on behalf of children.

Trivia Master: OldManfan
Trivia Comedian: Agent Cooper!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 16 00:11:39 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 15 23:17:20 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"What is honored in a country will be cultivated there."

- Plato


Trivia

- Germany is around the size of Montana.


- Java comprises 7% of the land mass of Indonesia, but has 60% of the
population. One hundred forty million people in an area the size of Greece
(which has a population just under 11 million).



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 15 23:08:10 2017 70.198.5.146) [Edit/Delete]
Trapped in a board meeting, but
hope to get out soon!



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Aug 15 20:51:31 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - her specialty was 'bad parents' or, as Halfrek put it, 'daddy issues'.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 15 17:31:25 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan No worries!

Agent Cooper LOL!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 15 16:30:44 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: I believe Halfrek is in the Standard Vengeance Department.

If you want Great Vengeance you have to make an appointment with a Certified Vengeance Consultant and pay a bit extra.

For a really special enemy smiting occasion, you can upgrade to the Biblical Vengeance Package, but that's pricey.



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Aug 15 16:05:59 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Maverick and
IMMORTAL!


Yay! Cashmere!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 15 14:55:18 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What kind of vengeance did Halfrek do?



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Aug 15 12:58:48 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
deadguy QOD - there were giant wasps in the Nightmares episode, but the obvious answer, I think, is... spiders (let's not be pedantic with the old insects v. arachnids clarification).

OMF



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Aug 15 12:50:35 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 15 12:53:50 2017
Christopher Marlowe - slept in today... and was late getting back from the Browncoat Ball (which explains my choice of QOD). Didn't realize you had already posted.

ETA - will re-post mine tomorrow

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Aug 15 12:44:04 2017 24.3.106.169)
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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 15 12:20:23 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, August 15th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Bethy
IMMORTAL
Maverick
nil8r

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bethy, IMMORTAL, Maverick, nil8r!



What is your childhood trauma? Cordelia, 'Welcome To The Hellmouth'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayoftheDay says:
(Tue Aug 15 12:15:16 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
lets hear a big bronze cheer for cashmere!

yay cashmere!

today's deadguy memorial question of the day is brought to you by Sunnydale's Pest Control, cockroaches rule, literally!

We saw an episode about a She-Mantis in 'Teacher's Pet'. What other insect would have been a good adversary too?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 15 03:26:44 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Ah! I forgot...no yay today as OldManFan is elsewhere, I think



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 15 02:36:22 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 15 03:09:50 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

I will post explanation tomorrow night. For now think of the product triangle
of fast-cheap-good. If you want something fast and cheap, then it's probably
not going to be high quality, i.e. 'good'. You can get fast and good, but will
not be cheap. Finally, you might find a product that's good and cheap, but you
cannot get it quick, i.e. 'fast'.

Rodrik believes a similar trade-off exist for people and states.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 15 02:22:04 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Thank you for posting excerpts from 50 Economic Classics. I don't think you've quoted so extensively from a book before and I very much appreciate it.

I am puzzled by why only two of the three: democracy, hyperglobalization and national self-interest can exist at one time though.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 15 01:58:59 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
back home for a second time.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 14 23:59:44 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Bowdon


Excerpts...


2011, Dani Rodrik, The Globalization Paradox

Quote: "We cannot have hyperglobalization, democracy, and national self-
determination all at once. We can have at most two out of three. If we want
hyperglobalization and democracy, we need to give up the nation-state. If
we must keep the nation state and want hyperglobalization too, then we must
forget about democracy. And if we want to combine democracy with the nation
state, then it is bye-bye deep globalization."



2014, Thomas Piketty, Capitalism in the Twenty-First Century

Nutshell: "Unless governments introduce new forms of taxation and ways of
increasing social mobility, we are heading for levels of income inequality
not seen since the nineteenth century - and possible political upheaval."



2015, Richard Thaler, Misbehaving

Nutshell: " 'Homo economicus,' or rational man, is quite a different
species to homo sapiens, which often seems to make decisions that
seem to go against its own interests."

Excerpt: "...Behavioral economics is no longer 'wackoeconomics' but a
serious sub-field of the discipline, forcing purely rational models onto
the defensive. Yet when the time comes that all economists can incorporate
behavioral aspects into their work, Thaler notes, 'behavioral economics' as
a field need no longer exist, since 'all economics will be as behavioral as
it needs to be'."

(Comment: Traditional micro-economics assumes actors are rational, i.e.
they maximize their benefits and/or minimize their losses. Real actors are
often unable or unwilling to make such decisions.)



2016, Robert J. Gordon, The Rise and Fall of American Growth

Quote: "The economic revolution of 1870 to 1970 was unique in human
history, unrepeatable because so much of its achievements could happen only
once."

Excerpt: "In the postscript, Gordon writes that the title of the book would
suggest a story of success followed by failure, but this is not his meaning
at all. The theme is not that the United States has lost out ... but that
it is remarkable how fast America's growth rate was over a certain period
(1920-1970). This superfast growth slowed, 'not because inventors had lost
their spark or were devoid of new ideas, but because the basic elements of
a modern standard of living had by them already been achieved along so many
dimensions.' Rich countries can't expect to keep growing at the rate of
1920-1970, any more than today's China or India can expect to maintain
growth rates of 8-10 per cent..."


(Comment: This ends my postings from 50 Economics Classics by Tom
Butler- Bowdon



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 14 23:23:10 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Comma,

Americans theorized, modeled and gamed nuclear war in a way that seemed absurd
to the Soviets. As weapons, nukes needed to be worked into operations. As
nukes, they were weapons you hoped would not be used. In the event of a land
war in Europe the Soviets planned to use 'tactical' nuclear weapons, but they
believed doing so would certainly lead to NATO responding in kind - perhaps
even scaling up. A land war with NATO carried too much risk for the gain.


"You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."

- William Randolph Hearst in the lead-up to the Spanish-American War


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 14 22:46:03 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Who was Little Miss Sure Shot?
Answer: Annie Oakley

Trivia Bullseye: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Miss the Mark: Agent Cooper



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 14 19:32:01 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe I included a rice-veggie recipe in my contributions tot eh bronzer Cookbook



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Comma says:
(Mon Aug 14 18:22:24 2017 168.244.5.56) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard and everyone else: Do all remember, after the Soviet Union fell, that someone went to Russia to find the exact location of the missiles that was pointed at his hometown. The Russians, thinking that this was funny, took him to the missile base and he was able to talk to the base commander. He asked the base commander, since the Cold war was over, to point the missiles somewhere else. The commander replied, once the missile is launched, that no one had any idea where any one missile would hit. The commander stated that if ten missiles were fired at a certain location, and each missile had ten war heads, out of the one hundred warheads, two may land within 100 miles of where they were aimed.

I must wonder if this is was years of testing had taught the Russians? I do know, from experience with non-nuclear missiles, that the US record was better than what the commander stated.

Comma



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Comma says:
(Mon Aug 14 18:10:49 2017 168.244.5.56) [Edit/Delete]
Fake news is far from being something new. At least three wars, that the US was part of, was started by articles in newspapers. The War of 1812, the Spanish American War, and the Boxer Rebellion all started as the result of false or misleading newspaper articles. Plus the Mexican-American War was egged on by hawks in the news business. Plus false newspaper articles was a leading cause of the interment of American Japanese during WWII.

CC


AUGUST 14

On this day in the year 1900, American and European forces broke through Chinese lines around the Imperial City of Peking (now Beijing). They freed hundreds of terrified non-Chinese hostages and thus broke the back of the "Boxer Rebellion".

History books will tell you that the original anti-foreign rebellion in China was sanctioned by the Dowager Empress and driven by the secret "Society of the Harmonious Fists" (Boxers -- get it?).

While those facts are true, the real facts are more ironic.

What is not widely known is that The Boxer Rebellion may have started somewhat by accident in America.

According to some reports, about a year or more earlier, a bunch of hard drinking reporters were sitting around exchanging their frustrations that the "event du jour" had failed to appear.

How could they meet their deadlines? Being good journalists, who needed the meager paycheck, they agreed to do the obvious thing -- make up a story.

But it had to be a good story. And it also had to be a lulu. But these guys were pros.

So they invented a story that wealthy Americans and Europeans were planning to buy, dismantle, and transport the Great Wall of China.

What the hay -- it was fun -- it met the deadline -- it sold papers.

But somehow the story, short-lived in America, reached China. There, Nationals were inflamed. Word of mouth spread the story that "foreigners wish to rape our heritage and national treasures."

Hostility turned to aggression and then became the Boxer Rebellion.

To celebrate stop by the "Front Page" and have a few extras.

And try to keep a straight face when one of the regulars tells you that reporters only report the news, they don't shape it.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 14 18:01:00 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

A nuclear warhead's accuracy depends on the target. If one wants to take-out an American land-based ICBM silo, then accuracy is paramount. One reason the USSR built relatively high-yield warheads was because their accuracy was relatively poor and they hoped to make-up for it with a bigger bang.1

My father had been a pilot in WWII. On a regular basis he would run us through a checklist of what needed to be done if (when) the USSR attacked with nukes. We lived for a number of years in east Tennesse, around 40 minutes from Oak Ridge which was very likely on the USSR target list. My father's assessment of the USSR's technology lead him to believe we might be hit rather than Oak Ridge.

Over the past few weeks I've seen different estimates of the capabilities of North Korea's missiles. For instance, some think they can now launch a missile with a nuclear warhead that could hit Japan.2 Some of the same folks think that in a year or so North Korea will be able to do the same with respect to areas of the US.

Imagine it true. Most of Alaska's population resides in three cities: Anchorage, Juneau, and Fairbanks. An inaccurate missile fired their way may take out a lot of forest.3 OTOH, a missile fired at San Francisco or LA doesn't need to be as accurate. A missile targeted at Vandenburg Air Base (Lompoc) needs to be more accurate.

Kim's current threat is to fire four odd missiles near Guam. Simply doing so might begin the escalation to war, but if the missiles are inaccurate they might overshoot and hit Guam. If so, there's no "might" in the previous sentence.

Hopefully North Korea as some William Tell's manning their missiles.

1 And since explosions' effects diminish over distance much of the bigger bang was overkill.

2 And they have missiles that could hit areas of the US, but not yet with a nuclear warhead.

3 Fall-out assessment is beyond this post.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 14 17:38:34 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Lunchtime is a rice/veggie mix. A staple for me at work.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Aug 14 17:12:12 2017 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Annie Oakley



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 14 16:09:53 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Selene.

Wolfguard: Nuclear warheads don't require pinpoint accuracy to be effective.

The Norks are getting nuke tech from the Iranians, who are now happily weaponizing uranium with impunity thanks to the wonderful treaty the last administration inexplicably gifted them with.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 14 14:31:34 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Who was Little Miss Sure Shot?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 14 13:16:30 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 28th 2017 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Ariadne
gangfolles
KarenT
Microphone Chick
Minnin
shadowgirl
slayersworld
StGermain

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ariadne, gangfolles, KarenT, Microphone Chick, Minnin, shadowgirl, slayersworld, StGermain, turtle!



So that's my dream. That and some stuff about cigars and a tunnel. Faith, 'This Year's Girl'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 14 13:03:41 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Knock, Knock, anyone home?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 14 01:56:37 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Roses are red
violets are blue
I hope you had a good day
and the night too!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 13 23:13:47 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
a long, but lazy day. The kind I don't have very often!

I'm following a story about a WW2 veteran returning a Japanese flag to the family of the soldier he took it from. I needed to read an uplifting story of people coming together in peace like that.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 13 12:53:02 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 28th 2017 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Ariadne
gangfolles
KarenT
Microphone Chick
Minnin
shadowgirl
slayersworld
StGermain

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ariadne, gangfolles, KarenT, Microphone Chick, Minnin, shadowgirl, slayersworld, StGermainturtle!



Sir? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing. Zoe, 'The Train Job'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Aug 13 03:42:18 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Belated All...

Yay Thoin!!

Yay ShadowQuest!

Yay Rikki!

Yay Jynx!



Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

If you were (or are) writing a novel would the main character be a fan of BtVS?

No, because the story takes place in the 17th century.


Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Name a famous person you suspect might be a vampire.

Jack the Ripper


Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Is Angel still haunting L.A. or has he been traveling since the W&H showdown?

He's been traveling with Spike down the Pan American Highway


Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

What current show are the scoobies addicted to?

Buffy - Reruns of Downton Abbey

Xander - Agents of SHIELD

Dawn - The Big Bang Theory

Faith - Game of Thrones

Willow - Salem and Charmed (No shame,no shame)

Giles - C-Span Book TV



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 13 02:46:04 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Anyone around abouts?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 12 22:50:09 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, August 12th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Minidrag33
Robin
silverclouds
Willa

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to elreyn24Minidrag33, Robin, silverclouds
Willa, turtle!



Dawn: Is that supposed to scare me? Spike: Little tremble wouldn't hurt. 'Blood Ties'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 12 22:44:17 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Whoops, I thought I did the birthdays this morning!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 12 14:43:56 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 12 03:20:08 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

North Korea said it plans to fire four (?) missiles towards Guam, but that
they will land just outside Guam's territorial waters. Kim would be sending
messages: You don't scare me, but you should be scared. Look what I can do.

OTOH, if something goes wrong, then Kim will look weak. If the something goes
wrong means the missiles landed on Guam or elsewhere, then lawsuit. *g*

(The missiles' flight path will go over Japan)

Since Trump warned Kim of such behavior, then Trump's credibility would then
be measured by how he reacted.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 12 01:34:39 2017 151.159.140.29) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard


Hasn't he threatened Guam already?

Anyhow I think Atlantic has an
article examining options, none of
them 'good' options.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 12 01:24:31 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Bowdon

Excerpts...


2000, Robert J. Schiller, Irrational Exuberance

Nutshell: "Market levels are in theory based on fundamental asset values,
but their unexpected surges, swings, and falls suggest human psychology as
the driver."

"...The theme of Schiller's bestseller, now in its third (2015) edition,
is the psychological dimension to economies and markets, which after all do
not exist as objective realities but are the creation of millions of
minds...
"


2000, Hernando de Soto, The Mystery of Capital

Nutshell: "Assets do not become capital until their value can be fixed nad
made transparent to a wide market. To really advance and fulfill their
potential, nations need integrated property systems."

Quote: "The 'mystery' of capital is that it is not mere savings or money,
but an outcome of law and institutions."


(Comment: I recall folks working in less-developed / developing countries
talking about the problem middle-size companies experienced. A big company
often had the political connections to protect itself from corruption and
small operations, a few people, could fly under the radar. But middle sized
companies were too big to hide and too small to have influence.
Consequently, they took the most hits from corrupt officials.)


2005, Steven D. Levitt & Stephen J. Dubner, Freakonomics

Nutshell: "We want a world based on morality; we have a world based on
incentives."


2007, Paul Krugman, The Conscience of a Liberal

Nutshell: "Growing inequality is not simply the result of technological
change or globalization, but is the product of political values and
decisions which can be reversed."

Quote: "Krugman goes to some length to remind the reader what America was
like before Roosevelt's New Deal, in the period from the 1870's to the
1930's. He describes it as 'a land of vast inequality in wealth and power,
in which a nominally democratic political system failed to represent the
economic interests of the majority."

(Comment: Krugman won the 2008 Nobel Prize for Economics for his work in
international economics. In the late 1990s he authored Pop
Internationalism
, a collection of essays on the subject for laypeople,
Some of the essays take swipes at both Democrats and Republicans.)


2008, Niall Ferguson, The Ascent of Money

Nutshell: "Finance has been the crucial ladder in the making of the modern
world. All ladders are precarious , but without them it is hard to build
anything."1

(Comment: Ferguson is a historian and one who has become both popular and
controversial, depending on one's views. Ferguson and Krugman have crossed
swords, both on stage and on broadsheet pages. If you look on Youtube, you
can probably find examples of the former.)

1 Some dialogue

Varys: ~ Chaos - a gaping pit ready to swallow us

Littlefinger: ~ Chaos is not a pit. Chaos is a ladder ...

*g*




WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Aug 12 01:10:25 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Thoin!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 12 00:21:22 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Probably not. Here's what anyone needs to make a successful strike with a
nuclear weapon:

1) Nuclear warhead (North Korea now has a few, numbers depend on source.)

2) Delivery system (North Korea has ballistic missiles that can reach part
of the US. What parts? Anchorage, perhaps Seattle, perhaps LA, a couple
sources say Chicago.)

There's some question whether North Korea's nuclear warheads could survive
re-entry. An inter-continental ballistic missile enters and returns from
space. as it returns the missile is subjected to very high heat which has
the potential of disintegrating some or all of a missile including its
payload.

3) A guidance system. A baseball is a ballistic projectile. It's "guidance"
is set by how its thrown, because once it leaves the pitcher's hand its
course is determined.1 A intercontinental ballistic missile's
course or trajectory is determined at the time its launched. Once it's away
you can't control it (if you could then it would not be a ballistic
missile).2

4) A command and control system. The people launching a nuclear missile
usually are not the people who decide to launch a nuclear missile. So there
is some sort of system for communicating and verifying the decision.

Big Kim: Fire the missile!
Launch Commander: Fire the missile!
Button Pusher: Missile away!

Big Kim: Fi (static) !
Launch Commander: ?????

Day 1

Launch Commander: Today we may have to defend our Beloved Leader from the
Blonde Beast!
Button Pushers: We Will Serve!!!!

Day 1+15 hours, no word from the world. What will the Launch Commander do?
3


ANYWAY ...

If Kim believes his own press, then he may be dangerous. He may believe he
strike dozens of US cities. OTOH, if he understands his true capabilities,
then he's not going to fire nuclear weapons directly as US cities, unless
he believes we've already fired missiles at him (what's to lose?).

I could imagine him firing a missile into the wilds of Alaska.

Kim and his father decided they needed nuclear weapons because dictators
that did not have nuclear weapons, such as Libya's Ghaddafi, got overthrown
and killed. The irony is he's facing the current situation, because of his
nuclear weapons program.

What has so far deterred the US from using force against Kim is the North
Korean conventional forces deployed close to Seoul, South Korea. If the US
felt confident it could quickly destroy the North Korea artillery, then we
would probably have taken out the nuclear program.


1 There are factors that can affect a ballistic projectile once
it's launched, like wind, but one can take that into account in aiming it.

2 It is possible to build guidance into warheads. A ballistic
missile would be launched and somewhere on the way down the warheads would
deploy and be guided to one or more targets. This technology is very likely
beyond North Korea - at this time.

3 The major nuclear powers have worked out solutions to this
problem set. Don't know how North Korea sees the problem.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 11 23:12:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm wondering if I should start looking for a bunker....



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 11 23:07:18 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCAtALSO Oh sorry. I was directing that to Agent Cooper, not to you!

Agent Cooper *BAP*...that is all. ;)



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Maverick says:
(Fri Aug 11 21:55:38 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: In the film "Flash of Genius" Greg Kinnear plays Bob Kearns who invented the intermittent windshield wiper and whom the powers that WERE (Ford and Chrysler) tried to screw out of his patent for his invention and whom he successfully sued in court. His story was certainly one of persistence, although he certainly became obsessed with doing things his own way. It's a frustrating movie to watch but worth the lesson.


Maverick


Wonder




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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 11 20:42:32 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Daddycatalso: She's into the Jack Daniels again.

:-)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Aug 11 20:34:15 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe "DaddyCATAlso The tv adaptation has it's charms, but it could definitely be a lot better. I'm all over tall, dark, and handsome wizards." Huh?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 11 18:49:27 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: You're starting happy hour early this Friday. Good for you!

:-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 11 18:14:12 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCATAlso The tv adaptation has it's charms, but it could definitely be a lot better. I'm all over tall, dark, and handsome wizards.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 11 18:03:58 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Dresden should have got a series on Netflix or HBO. And not the crappy cable one they did.

I mean a real first class production, with some serious investment and direct creator input.

That would be way bigger than Game of Thrones.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 11 13:16:20 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, August 11th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Buffman
Ergoshakes
Esther
Gray - R.I.P
Kay
Maki Maus
SpikeLVR

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffman, Ergoshakes, Esther, Kay, Maki Maus, SpikeLVR!



Haven't you killed me enough for one day? Mal, 'War Stories'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 11 13:08:23 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay thoin!

Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 11 12:15:12 2017 50.207.79.94) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a big bronze cheer for thoin

yay thoin!

Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 11 01:56:56 2017 70.198.58.100) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

The book isn't available yet, I
will recommend hey get it.

I was googling it and came across a
review of it by an engineering
site.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 11 00:49:04 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Bowdon

Excerpts...


1978, Thomas C. Schelling, Micromotives and Macrobehavior

Nutshell: "Individuals can make decisions that are rational for them, but
which lead to negative outcomes for society."


1985, Peter Drucker, Innovation and Entrepreneurshio

Nutshell: "Management of entrepreneurship and innovation is as important to
economics as traditional factors such as technology, capital, labor, and
land."


1986, Hyman Minsky, Stablizing an Unstable Economy

Quote: "To be exact, our economic leadership does not seem to be aware that
the normal functioning of our economy leads to financial trauma and crises,
inflation, currency depreciations, unemployment, and poverty in the midst
of what could be virtually universal affluence - in short, that financially
complex capitalism is inherently flawed." (Google "Minksy Moment")

(Comment: Capitalism comes in flavors. A economic history of the last few
centuries could be divided into different forms of capitalism.)


1988, Ronald Coase, The Firm, the Market, and the Law

Nutshell: "To understand economics, you must understand the role that
transaction cost play in shaping firms, markets, and institutions."

Excerpt: "He (Coase) was also wary of economics trying to make itself into
a mathematical science ... Each of his papers is short, contains no math,
and can be understood by the layperson."

Quote: In my youth it was said that what was too silly to be said may be
sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics.
"


1990, Elinor Ostrom, Governing the Commons

Quote: "What one can observe in the world ... is that neither the state nor
the market is uniformly successful in enabling individuals to sustain long-
term, productive use of natural resource systems. Further, communities of
individuals have relied on institutions resembling neither state nor the
market to govern some resource systems with reasonable degrees of success
over long periods of time."

(Comment: I believe there's a Wikipedia article on Elinor Ostrom and/or
Governing the Commons that discuss the sort of conditions Ostrom
discovered could lead to such resource management successes.)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 11 00:24:15 2017 70.198.2.111) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper

As I understand, Martin is taking v
awhile with the next GoT book.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 10 23:55:55 2017 70.198.2.111) [Edit/Delete]
Comma shadowquest tend to hang out
on Facebook these days



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Comma says:
(Thu Aug 10 23:45:54 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Shadowquest! Come out, Come out, where ever you are!

Comma



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 10 22:55:19 2017 70.198.2.111) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales trivial pursuit

Category: inventions
Question: who invented the
windshield wiper?
Answer: Mary Anderson

Trivia master: notsoshygirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 10 22:08:44 2017 70.198.2.111) [Edit/Delete]
Third and final shift at the rally



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 10 18:08:51 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Aug 10 18:10:58 2017
Comma,

Maybe the White Walkers are doing the Lemming thing, marching south till they melt. *g*

Somewhere I read George R.R. Martin used The War of the Roses as an inspiration. Consider, Lancaster vs York ~ Lannister vs Stark.

ETA Also Heptarchy

And of course, "The Narrow Sea" ~ "English Channel"


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 10 17:36:09 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
....Tip Toes carefully around the ..ahem...GAME OF THRONES SPOILERS!

Chris Marlowe: I know, right? I wish the heck he'd get going on more of those "Spires" books. That first one was fantastic.

And he's been writing the next Dresden book since forever ago.

In the meantime I just started the first Game of Thrones book. Slow going so far. It's OK, but no Dresden story, that's for sure...



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Aug 10 17:08:10 2017 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Mary Anderson



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Comma says:
(Thu Aug 10 16:35:48 2017 168.244.5.62) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Cersi, if one judges by actions in her past, is as likely to bring peace and happiness as the White walkers are to host a tea party. Jamie is 100% blinded by a forbidden love.

What is Jamie do when he finds out the truth? A murder and a suicide seems like a safe bet. After all, Jamie has already lost a daughter, two sons, and a hand. I am still not sure which one upset him the worst.

As far as Fire and Ice goes, I see that the White walkers, who feel neither cold or hot, and the humans who need some warmth to survive. I may be 100% wrong.

On another hand, several of us historians have been working on which country each kingdom is based on. There are some real wild theories out there. including worlds from Star Wars and Star Trek. I have my own theory, based on the dress, weapons or flags, of five of the seven thrones.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 10 16:32:59 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Butcher is my favorite author!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 10 14:50:14 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Inventions
Question: Who invented the windshield wiper?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 10 13:51:54 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica - Jim Butcher is an ardent student of the martial arts, and it reflects in his writing. He creates very detailed and realistic fight scenes.



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Aug 10 11:40:33 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--I just finished a really good fight scene, so
there's that :)


Yay! ShadowQuest! Wheeerrreee aaarrreee yyyooouuu?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Aug 10 11:19:43 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, August 10th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


dualslayers
JSG
LittleFearDemon

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to dualslayers, JSG, LittleFearDemon!



Buffy: I was regrouping. Spike: You were about to be regrouped into separate piles.
'Checkpoint'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 10 10:09:14 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for shadowquest!

yay shadowquest!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 10 04:22:02 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Perhaps one day Big Brother will survey Facebook for such simplicities. Are
you for me or against me?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 10 03:51:51 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Such distinctions seem to have less meaning these days. Political leanings seems to reflect a popular thing on facebook, you can set your relationship with someone else as 'it's complicated'. But everyone wants simplicity.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 10 02:50:38 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Probably not. Political philosophy is to political beliefs as theology is
to religious beliefs. Few believers know much about the history or details
nor do they really care. For instance, populism shares some core values and
concerns with early socialism, i.e. a distrust in elites. Where they appear
to have diverged is the sort of elites they distrust. American populist
distrust government ('drain the swamp'). Socialist and American liberals
distrust private power, best represented as corporate America.1

If you're one of the little people, who do you turn to? A patron. American
liberals have tended to turn to government. American conservatives had
trusted corporations. An alternative to both is for folks to organize, but
it's a hard-haul against established - entrenched? - corporations and
governments.

The conservative-liberal labels doesn't capture the complexity of political
feelings and thoughts, but it's so convenient to so many.

1 Now and then, people will lump corporations and government
into one evil entity.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 10 01:23:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Aug 10 01:24:35 2017
wolfguard Yeah...Liberal and liberal can have entirely different meanings. I hadn't thought of that before. So conservatives believe in liberal philosophy, but liberal in the context of democrats would be leftist.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 10 00:43:02 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Excerpts from Tom Butler-Bowdon's 50 Economics Classic's chapter on
Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom

(the book) "...is a reiteration of what Scottish economist Adam Smith had
said less than two centuries before - that, left to their own devices and
free of excessive government control, people prosper and create civilized
communities...

...Making a clear connection between economic freedom and political
freedom, he (Friedman) showed that free markets were not a luxury but the
very basis of personal and political liberty.

Historically, political freedom has followed the emergence of free markets
and capitalist institutions ... Where monopolies and trading restrictions
are rife, so is special treatment of one social, racial, or religious group
over another; the ability to 'keep people in their place' remains...

... Both 'full employment' and 'economic growth' have been put forward as
reasons why governments should have more control over the economy. The
Great Depression, people invariably say, is surely evidence if the inherent
instability of markets left to their own devices.

In fact, Friedman says, the Depression was caused by government
mismanagement ... the US government's Federal Reserve System, through
clumsy use of the levers of the monetary system - specifically, not
increasing the money supply in the wake of bank collapses - turned what
would have been a contraction lasting a year or two into a catastrophe...

...The heart of liberal philosophy, Friedman writes, is people having equal
rights and opportunities. It does not mean there should be equality of
wealth...

...The Economist described Friedman as 'the most influential
economist of the second half of the twentieth century ... possibly all of
it..."


Comments

Tom Butler-Bowdon's aim appears to be to summarize an author's conclusions.
There's no space to examine the reasoning or to critique it. It's somewhat
like summarizing Issac Newton's Principia by listing Newton's three
laws of motion. This has a solid purpose, but the book cannot be used to
weight any of the authors' reasoning. For that, one has to read the
particular book.

In the Friedman chapter, I saw only two things which might leave a reader
with a bit of puzzlement. The first is the passage above speaking about the
Federal Reserve System. The second is in brief bio section where mention is
made of "floating the dollar". Both topics can be explored through the
internet (Search: "US Federal Reserve" for the first and "floating exchange
rate").

Finally, I believe the phrase "liberal philosophy" used in the excerpt
above refers to the classic English meaning of a belief in personal
freedom, free markets, and limited government. Most Americans do not
perceive "liberal" is this fashion.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 9 23:49:03 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I won't be going anywhere tonight!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 9 22:56:59 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit for TODAY!

Category: Angel
Question: Who was Connor's mom?
Answer: Darla

Trivia master as usual: OldManFan!



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Aug 9 20:33:06 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Darla.

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 9 19:02:15 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Obviously, Trivia Girl has not seen the varsity jacket.


Christopher Marlowe,

I will do so sometime tonight, thought it might be late.


Agent Cooper,

"... It was still warm from the factory when it arrived, and smelled like fresh polycarbonate ...and brimstone. MMmmmmm. :-)"

LOL!


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 9 17:55:19 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick; No worries. I have ALL the songs. I bought the OMWF soundtrack the INSTANT it became available. It was still warm from the factory when it arrived, and smelled like fresh polycarbonate ...and brimstone. MMmmmmm. :-)




Trivia Girl: Princess Koriand'r



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 9 14:43:51 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit for TODAY!

Category: Angel
Question: Who was Connor's mom?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 9 14:36:18 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit from Yesterday

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the 'him' that Dawn and the others fought over in Him?
Answer: RJ

Trivia Alphas: DaddyCatALSO
Trivia Zetas: Maverick, Agent Cooper



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 9 14:33:38 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe, Comma Glen Campbell, 1 "n," as was done for humor in an episode of *The New Andy Griffith Show*.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 9 13:16:46 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, August 9th 2017 C.E.

We have ELVEN (11) Birthdays!


BISHOP
Catalina
hunnie
Jennifer
Natalie
NightDreamer
Rollagirl
SetzJS
Silverfox
Slayergrl99
Zeus

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BISHOP, Catalina, hunnie, Jennifer, Natalie, NightDreamer, Rollagirl, SetzJS, Silverfox, Slayergrl99, Zeus!



I've got two words that are going to make all the pain go away. Miniature Golf.
Mayor, 'Enemies'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 9 12:53:20 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay rikki!

deadguy qod - Oh most definitely! It would be such fun to be able to include trivia or quotes from the show if my character was a fan. Write what you know and being a Buffy fan is what I know!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Aug 9 11:39:32 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for rikki!

yay rikki!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale writing symposium - for comedy writing only, things are serious enough

if you were (or are) writing a novel would the main character be a fan of btvs?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 9 04:11:13 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Capitalism and Freedom!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 9 03:09:18 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
For those who follow The Game of Thrones ...

Earlier this season, Jamie Lannister was telling someone that his Cersi,
his sister and now Queen, was going to establish peace and order throughout
Westeros. It's possible Jamie was telling a tale to court support. OTOH,
Jamie may believe the tale himself. Seriously, what other ends might she
pursue with a united Westeros?1 Based on the answers to two
questions, four possibilities exist.

The Questions

(1) Does Jamie really believe Cersei seeks to rule a peaceful and orderly
Westeros?

(2) Does Cersei seek to rule a peaceful and orderly Westeros?


The Possibilities

(1) Yes, Yes (If true, should one root for Cersei and Jamie?)

(2) Yes, No (How will Jamie react when he learns he was wrong?)

(3) No, Yes (Not much of a story, unless Jamie wants such a goal and tries
to undermine Cersei)

(4) No, No (Deceiving Lannisters. And so expected)

Number 4 offers a simple story of Evil Lannisters vs. Good Dany. Does Dany
deserve to be considered good? She frees people who were slaves which is a
plus in contemporary thought. And she also told Tyrion she was going to
break the wheel. Not certain what that would look like.

But in the end, A Song of Ice and Fire (Fire and Ice?) seems to be
about who will win a continental war (or fight in a burning house (freezing
house?) insomuch as the White Walkers are coming. Will that raises the
story above other such sword and sorcery tales?


1 Holding it together might be one task. The Iron Throne sits on
seven unequal legs, eh? I believe Michael Grant wrote many of the Caesars
came to power seeking to do good things, but eventually found themselves
concerned with conspiracies to overthrow them - some real, some imagined.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 9 02:26:23 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Easy peasy. *g*

Pick one of the posted titles and I'll post some excerpts from its chapter for
you to sample.

WG



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Comma says:
(Wed Aug 9 02:03:59 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
While we did take a few vacations while station in Europe, Monica and I, in the US, seemed to only take vacations home. The exceptions to that was our many trips to Panama City Beach. After all, it is only 80 miles from Dothan, AL, to PC. The one other vacation, that we took, was to the group ALABAMA and their June Jam. That was in 1986 and it was June Jam VI. One of the performers was Glenn Campbell. I do not know why, but for some unknown reason, I did not really care for Glenn Campbell in those days. He changed my mind that day. He put on one of the best live shows that I have ever seen. May he Rest In Peace.

Charles



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 9 01:38:09 2017 70.198.48.211) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

There appears to be a lot in that
book. How readable is it?



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Maverick says:
(Wed Aug 9 00:21:22 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Aug 9 00:33:13 2017
Agent Cooper: I don't have Anya's Bunny Song, but I do have some other songs from OMWF. Here's I've Got a Theory (Hey, maybe this INCLUDES the Bunny Song!)


Maverick


Bonus Song:


Under Your Spell




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 23:34:26 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Bowdon

Excerpts...

1942, Joseph Schumpeter, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy

Nutshell: "Capitalism only works because it is in a state of constant flux.
Instability is the price we pay for wealth-generating renewal and
reinvention."


1955, J.K. Galbraith, The Great Crash 1929

Nutshell: "Rather than championing financial markets, government must make
sure that speculative frenzies do not warp or ruin the real economy."


1962, Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom

Nutshell: "The free market, not government, ensures protection of
individual rights and standards of quality, and delivers extraordinary
prosperity."


1968, Jane Jacobs, The Economy of Cities

Nutshell: "Cities have always been the main driver of development and
wealth, and will be even more important in the future."

(See also her book, Cities and the Wealth of Nations



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 23:05:50 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Try googling for the "Buffy Paradigm".

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 8 22:37:48 2017 70.198.3.144) [Edit/Delete]
Answer to trivia will have to be
tomorrow



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 8 22:03:46 2017 70.198.3.144) [Edit/Delete]
Rip glenn Campbell



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 8 20:09:16 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Bunnies are awesome!

Okay, close to finishing my 8 hour shift at work, now to my six hour shift elsewhere!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Aug 8 19:48:08 2017 69.244.158.94) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 8 19:50:04 2017
Trivia Girl: The Himalayan Mountains.


Deadguy q.o.d.: Russell Brand, and George Soros is the devil


R.I.P. Ty Hardin


Christopher Marlowe: Economics? Watch the 10 1/2-hour programs of Milton Friedman's (Nobel Prize winner in Economics) PBS Series "Free to Choose." Watch the 1/2 hour of exposition, skip the 2nd 1/2 hour of discussion.


Maverick


Standing Still




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Aug 8 18:12:35 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl RJ

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Actually, it's that the balalaika (recall Zhivago) and the Dobro (a brand name of lap steel) both have kind of unusual sounds, at least to suburban Anglosphere ears, and an ordinary classical or folk guitar will help everything blend better when they s tart singing (Oz will be at the party but won't stay long so he won't be participating.)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 8 18:09:58 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
And so just now I'm on this other blog I like to visit, and out of the blue one of the posters references Anya's Bunny Song, lyrics and all.

This is not a blog where you would expect this kind of thing.

I love when that happens. It truly warms my heart. :-)

BTVS peeps are still out there...



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 8 17:11:54 2017 165.225.38.83) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Oh yeah, that one guy! What's his name! The kid with the jacket. It's on the tip of my tongue...



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 8 14:35:19 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the 'him' that Dawn and the others fought over in Him?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Aug 8 14:30:53 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Memorial Quod: Bianca Lawson!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 8 11:29:18 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, August 8th 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


@lex H
DreamingHawk
IceFire
pippistrell
Rainbow
ravynhawk

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @lex H, DreamingHawk, IceFire, pippistrell, Rainbow, ravynhawk, turtle!



And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! ... You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.
Mal, 'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Aug 8 11:18:33 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for jynx

yay jynx!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

celebrities 'r us - we manufacture them, like cars

name a famous person you suspect might be a vampire?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 04:08:39 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe she was the first woman to win the Nobel prize in economics.
Interestingly, her academic training was in political science. Her classic
book is Governing the Commons. From fieldwork she concluded that "The
Tragedy of the Commons" , under certain conditions, could be prevented by the
people who benefited from the resources. It did not necessarily require
intervention by a central government. People involved would work out rules
among themselves and enforce them.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 8 03:56:02 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I was wanting to emphasize that economics seemed more theoretical than pratical.

I hit the wiki page on Ostrom and they had this

A resource arrangement that works in practice can work in theory., which I found pretty interesting.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 02:50:14 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 8 02:51:33 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Why do you think Keynes would disagree? With the choices?

Keynes was a practitioner as well as a theoretician. He was also quite a
successful investor.

I know back in the 90's more than one economist complained that the Nobel
prize committee appeared more fond of papers exploring theory over ones
than focused on policy. Off that, Keynes once said, "If economists
could manage to get themselves thought of as humble, competent people on a
level with dentists, that would be splendid."

I also hear and read economists complaining the discipline has
become too entranced with mathematical modeling over real-world research.


Google "Elinor Ostrom"


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 8 01:34:35 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Aug 8 01:35:49 2017
wolfguard Those excerpts brings to mind an interesting question. The
Nobel committee awards a prize for economics. Yet I would think that Keynes
might disagree. *g*

Nobel prize in economics list.

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
has been awarded 48 times to 78 Laureates between 1969 and 2016. Click on
the links to get more information.

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2016
Oliver Hart and Bengt Holmstrm
"for their contributions to contract theory"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2015
Angus Deaton
"for his analysis of consumption, poverty, and welfare"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2014
Jean Tirole
"for his analysis of market power and regulation"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2013
Eugene F. Fama, Lars Peter Hansen and Robert J. Shiller
"for their empirical analysis of asset prices"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2012
Alvin E. Roth and Lloyd S. Shapley
"for the theory of stable allocations and the practice of market design"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2011
Thomas J. Sargent and Christopher A. Sims
"for their empirical research on cause and effect in the macroeconomy"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
2010
Peter A. Diamond, Dale T. Mortensen and Christopher A. Pissarides
"for their analysis of markets with search frictions"



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 01:15:41 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Brown

Excerpts

1936, John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest,
and Money


Nutshell: "Elegant models of how economies work are often wrong. Markets
are not self-correcting, but need constant intervention and management to
ensure high consumer demand, investment, and employment."



1945, Friedrich Hayek, The Use of Knowledge in Society

Nutshell: "Centralization of knowledge is good in theory, but in practice
economies are most efficient when millions of people act independently
using information available to them through prices."



1948, Paul Samuelson and William Nordhaus, Economics

Nutshell: "Markets don't always deliver prosperity, and government
intervention are often flawed. To be really useful, economics must be built
on common sense, not ideology."

'I don't care who writes a nation's laws or crafts its advanced
treatises,' Paul Samuelson said, 'if I can write its economic
textbooks.'


(As I recall, when I was in college in the 70's, Samuelson & Nordhaus'
Economics was in its 25th edition.)



1949, Benjamin Graham, The Intelligent Investor

Nutshell: "In stock investing, consider yourself part owner of a company,
not a trader."

"...On the penultimate page, Graham writes, 'Investment is most intelligent
when it is most businesslike'. This, Warren Buffet thought, was the
wisest sentence ever penned on investing...

...people in the financial world too easily forget the basic fact of
investing: that it is about companies ... Trying to make money
beyond earnings related to a firm's performance was fraught with danger..."


Posting content since fall 1998. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 8 00:37:11 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

So those might be the type of instruments Anya would like seeing Giles play in
DaddyCatALSO's fic. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 8 00:27:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I would think
pipes, horns, lyres.


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