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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 14 13:05:32 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, November 14th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


borthy
Chianne
Paul Teague

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to borthy, Chianne, Paul Teague!



Early: Where'd she go? Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's not incorporeally possessing a space ship. Don't look at me. 'Objects In Space''

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 14 11:38:48 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings, wolfguard--Speaking of what Buffy wore in Pangs, this
is what she wore this year, LMAO:

[a href="https://www.today.com/parents/sarah-michelle-gellar-channels-buffy-
shirt-embarrass-her-kids-t141806"]Buffy in Buffy t-shirt[/a]

Nailed it :)



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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 14 05:59:06 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay lostinamerica!

Happy Birthday Beldin, Cosmic, and Visitor!

Christopher Marlowe - Those are really long shifts. Good luck with those!

wolfguard - I vaguely recall finding the cowboy hat jarring. I think it was supposed to be a funny nod to the YMCA song. Or something. But you know, the girl who would wear cats strapped to her feet if she thought it was fashionable might have some reason for wearing the thing. *g*

I got the house all warm and cozy against the extreme (for Austin) cold, and now I'm falling asleep.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 14 03:59:35 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Citizen Trump would never have enlisted. If he had been drafted, he would
probably would have not completed Basic Training. "Probably" because I don't
believe he could have kept his ego or temper in check long enough to have
learned how to work the system. Now if he had been drafted during WWII, then
he might have succeeded, if only because the country's need for troops was
greater.

In getting the deferments, he probably did well by the country as he did for
himself. One has to be able to follow, to work as a team, to put others before
self and Mr. Trump has rarely if ever displayed these traits.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 14 03:18:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I am very tired tonight and will be for a few days more...10-12 shifts are killer...

I wonder what trump would have been like as soldier, if he had enlisted?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 14 01:42:30 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What group did Joyce start in 'Gingerbread'?
Answer: MOO, Mothers Opposing the Occult

Trivia MOOvers: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Newbies: wolfguard, Agent Cooper

wolfguard, I would TOTALLY see Joyce and the Jetts!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 13 21:39:50 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: DAMM!

Drunks
Against
Mad
Mothers



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 13 19:42:26 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 13 19:43:04 2018
Trivia Girl,

Joyce & the Jetts with "The Ripper" as the opening act.

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Nov 13 15:31:02 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
MOO -Mothers Opposed to the Occult



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 13 13:16:45 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Ah, RIP Stan Lee :(


Comma--Oh, I believe in
ghosts too :)


Belated Yay! me!


Belated Happy Birthday Beldin!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 13 13:14:01 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What group did Joyce start in 'Gingerbread'?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 13 13:08:02 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay lostinamerica!


deadguy qod

I believe everyone has decorated for the holidays and that there are stockings hung by the Christmas tree too!

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Nov 13 12:46:25 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lostinamerica

yay lostinamerica!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale winter solstice society

which of the scoobies is already decorated for christmas/hanukkah?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 13 12:37:12 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, November 13th 2018 C.E.

We have THREEE (3) Birthdays!


Beldin
Cosmic
Visitor

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Beldin, Cosmic, Visitor!



You know, it's funny. We went to war never looking to come back, but it's the real world I couldn't survive. Tracy, 'The Message''

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Comma says:
(Tue Nov 13 05:58:14 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 13 05:58:51 2018
Two new Thanksgiving cartoons:

1. All the turkeys are gathered and one turkey reminds the others that, 'The day is almost upon us when farmer Brown picks one of us to live with him, and his family, forever.'.

2. A turkey selling skinny turkey t-shirts for $10.

Comma

PS: I know that some of all think that I must be crazy to believe in ghost. I have seen far too much evidence not to believe in them.

PSS: As far as the files being left on the table, they were not there, on Thursday, when we secured the area. No one entered the vault, since that time, until I opened it this morning. CC



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 13 00:39:33 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 13 00:41:38 2018
Agent Cooper,

Clemenceau, the French Prime Minister, said of Wilson's 14 points, ~ God
only gave us ten commandments and we broke them. We'll see.



"...Wilson was explaining to Clemenceau and Lloyd George how the League
would establish a brotherhood of man where Christianity had not been able to
do so. 'Why,' Lloyd George recalled Wilson as saying, 'has Jesus Christ so
far not succeeded in inducing the world to follow His teachings in these
matters? It is because He taught the ideal without devising any practical
means of attaining it. That is the reason why I am proposing a practical
scheme to carry out His aims.'

Clemenceau, said the British prime minister, 'slowly opened his dark eyes to
their widest dimension and swept them around the assembly to see how the
Christians gathered around the table enjoyed this exposure of the futility
of their Master'..."


From Playing God by Charles L. Mee, Jr, pp.154-155



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 13 00:08:56 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: From which country did the US buy Alaska?
Answer: Russia

Trivia master: notsoShyGirl, Agent Cooper, wolfguard!
Trivia newbie: Maverick



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Maverick says:
(Mon Nov 12 23:34:37 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Eskimowia?


Comma: Thanks for your service.


Maverick


(Sing it, Angel) Mandy




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 12 21:12:41 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Truly Rest in Peace Stan.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 12 20:00:10 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Comma: It's a real shame the Armistice led to such a bad peace, and an even worse war afterwards.

All that suffering, destruction and loss of life. Basically for nothing.

The French and English should have listened to Wilson.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 12 19:34:54 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia

Trivia Girl,

Россия


Agent Cooper,

Now I'm being tempted to watch Pangs early. *g*


Comma,

Bets, *G*

Turkeys - Commendable behavior, especially given how the farmer's behavior
probably gave them a momentary freeze. What's this? For all of our lives
he's been coming out here to feed us and now, today, the axe?!?! How could
we have foreseen this???


WG



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Comma says:
(Mon Nov 12 19:34:23 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Well, either someone is lying or one of the ghost is very smart.

I went by to check the 'over nights' and had to put something in the vault. Open the vault door, which I help close on Thursday, and there were three files left open on a table. The digital files shows that no one had open the vault since 1747hrs Thursday. That was when I used my key card to sign it closed.

What were the three files: 1. Copy of the Armistice that ended hostilities in Europe on 11-11-1918. 2. Second copy of the Armistice in German. 3. KIA report for November of 1918. I had been told about the 'dough boy' ghost but never saw any evidence, of his existence, until today. Now I have to start looking at the records to see if I can figure out why the ghost is still around.

Comma



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Comma says:
(Mon Nov 12 19:15:12 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Rest In Peace Stan Lee. We thank you for all that you gave us.

Charles



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 12 18:01:28 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Russia! Russia! Russia!


Wolfguard: "I wouldn't say no to a brandy." Heh!

Yeah, that hat always bothered me. In fact, Daughter Cooper who is 11 going on 16 and was watching the ep for the first time even said something to the effect of "What's up with that hat?" :-)

We're having alot of fun watching Buffy together now. We just did the Halloween eps and she loved them.

Comma: Sure, of course the government is off. And of course, I have to work today! As a veteran, I feel like I should have the day off. My kids have today AND tomorrow off from school. Little punks! Never served a day in their lives.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Nov 12 17:33:18 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
The Russian Empire, on March 30,
1867



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 12 14:59:08 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: From which country did the US buy Alaska?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Nov 12 14:24:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, November 12th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buffy_14
Claudia
Gypsy
Jeanette
Jimbo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy_14, Claudia, Gypsy, Jeanette, Jimbo!



I always thought the name Serenity had a vaguely funereal sound to it.
Simon, 'Out Of Gas''


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 12 14:13:23 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay lazy girl!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Comma says:
(Mon Nov 12 12:53:46 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Another day off in the Nation's capital. Which means I will still run by the office, check in with the over night person, and take a look at the over nights. 'Operation Cold Turkey' is starting to heat up. That is the unauthorized use of Government equipment to place illegal personal bets, between West Point grads and Naval Academy Grads, on the outcome of the Army-Navy football game. It seems that every US Government office, in the world, has at least one graduate from one school or the other. Back, in the dark ages, before personal computers, cell phones, and the internet, the fax machines would be clogged, for ten days, with this activity. The bets are rarely about money and is more about embarrassment. The top bet, over the past few years, is a video, of the loser, in full uniform, singing the winner's school song.

Just finished breakfast, a free one for being a veteran, and about to head by the office. All have a great day.

Comma

P.S. My favorite Thanksgiving cartoon is from 'The Far Side'. It shows a blind farmer, among several turkeys, and the farmer is holding a axe. The turkeys are all are going 'MOO'! CC



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Nov 12 12:47:59 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lazy girl!

yay lazy girl!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 12 06:44:01 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

I love those scenes and watch Pangs every Thanksgiving. To be honest
though, Buffy's choice of a cowboy hat seems completely out-of-character (see
the opening scene at the site ceremony). *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Nov 12 05:54:56 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday ihybernate and McBuffy!

wolfguard - LOL! I just heard Giles in my head, and thought (as I did when I heard him the first time), "yeah, peas shoveled into mashed potatoes on the back of a fork." Though possibly I'm being unfair. ;-)

Comma - Those T-shirts can be found on Amazon. Amazon is like the Room of Requirements.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 12 05:11:31 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

BUFFY
The peas will be mushy.

WILLOW
They won't be mushy.

GILES
I like mushy peas.


*g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 12 03:22:07 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Comma Oh lord, I had forgotten about that. Lasted about forty some episodes, according to google. Les, Herb and Carlson were the only ones returning



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Comma says:
(Mon Nov 12 01:51:50 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
There is a t shirt company that is selling a shirt with the quote from 'WKRP'. All these years later and that line still brings a smile to my face.

Didn't 'WKRP' come back several years ago? Not as funny.

Comma



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 12 01:44:17 2018 100.4.225.36) [Edit/Delete]
Just watched "Pangs" with Daughter Cooper and Mrs. Cooper. Almost forgot what a fun episode that was. :-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 12 01:04:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Spending the day binge watching season three of Daredevil. I think it almost tops the first season1



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 11 23:08:25 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

On principle. *g*

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Nov 11 15:34:09 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Sunday, November 11th 2018 C.E.
Veteran's Day

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


ihybernate
McBuffy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ihybernate, McBuffy!



Please...Wesley...why can't I stay? Fred, 'A Hole in the World''

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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Nov 11 13:12:01 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Belated Birthday Morella!



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white wings says:
(Sun Nov 11 04:10:32 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Morella, Old One, PDR, and babywillow!

lostinamerica - I don't remember watching WKRP myself, though I may have. But I've heard that phrase often enough over the years.

Christopher Marlowe - Netflix sounds good. I'm watching yet another college football game which we may or may not win. I keep trying to look at other things and just peeking in to see the score and watching either happy things or disasters (from a certain POV). OMG, that last pass was not a Happy Thing. I don't want this to go into overtime. *whimper* Oh God. Tie.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 11 01:29:51 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
it feels like a Netflix night.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 10 19:28:04 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Maverick,

Not able to watch all ~two hours of the Jay Smith link. Did watch the first 20
minutes or so. He didn't say anything new, in principle, that I didn't already
know. Will try to watch more as time becomes available.

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Nov 10 15:53:30 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Saturday, November 10th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Morella
Old One
PDR
Sleepy head/babywillow

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Morella, Old One, PDR, babywillow!



When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff. Buffy, 'The Freshman'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Nov 10 14:04:29 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Yes, the vast number of them have the same first three
numbers as my cell phone number, as if I'm going to answer those because they
look familiar ;)

And I never watched that show, looks like I missed a very funny episode :(

cc Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 10 06:25:58 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Thank you very much. I may save it for Thanksgiving Eve (Thanksgiving Day is
for a very special episode of BtVS *g*).

WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Nov 10 05:27:53 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Happily, the situation can be rectified. Google "As God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly" and find the short WKRP clip. It's passed into Americana. Really, there are T-shirts. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 10 04:45:14 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I never knew of it. :(

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 10 04:24:34 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard With thanksgiving coming up, that classic WKRP clip is starting to make the rounds again.


'Pinedale Shopping Mall has been bombed with live turkeys'



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white wings says:
(Sat Nov 10 04:11:19 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Occido!

Happy Birthday Callisto, Pyro, Raven, and SirenWind!

lostinamerica - I usually pick up, because I'm on call from work, and the operators sometimes work remotely and use their cell phones. If I don't answer, they'll move on to some other victim. I block all the known political/telemarketer numbers, but of course they have many numbers to call from. They've gotten smart and don't use as many out of state numbers, which I could ignore safely. I also ignore calls purporting to come from my own phone. They really annoy me.

Agent Cooper - I fear that's the way of the world. I don't suffer that whiplash of jitters/relaxation/tension so much anymore, since I only work two days a week (in the office). I would be relaxed 5 days a week, except that I get bored and check the office email, which can lead to logging in remotely. But when I actually go in I feel like I'm waking up in a whole new world. When it comes to office gossip, I certainly am. ;-)

I took a poll once, many years ago. It wasn't even political. But they had me on the phone forever, asking ever more intrusive questions, which I was ever more resentful of I was too young and too polite to just hang up. Now it's just "I don't take polls. Click."

With regard to your virtual Bronze, I'll just be over in the recliner with my knitting. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Watching Golden Oldies? That was a classic!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 10 03:56:01 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What's with the turkeys?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 10 03:42:44 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
"As God is My Witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

that never gets old.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 10 03:26:12 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

Noted. Will try to watch it later tonight.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 10 02:21:11 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 9 22:41:16 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO: I have links. To some of the subjects you are talking about.


David Wood explains that saying "the Quran is an amazingly scientific revelation" is rather absurd. Wood is an interesting Christian apologist who is frequently on the Trinity Channel and is also featured in Acts 17 Apologetics.


Jay Smith questions the origins of Islam and the life of Muhammad and what part Abd al-Malik had in it.


Maverick


Jump




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 9 22:04:52 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

There appear to be two disagreements.

First, how much control or influence did the preindustrial agrarian states
have over the countryside.1

Second, the length of time Christianity was the dominant religion in the
Middle East.

Or at least this is how I read your post. Shall we debate?


1 For instance, how was the religion of the state observed and
practiced in the countryside?

- Render onto God what is God's and to Cthulhu what is Cthulu's



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Nov 9 20:30:54 2018 199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard To be blunt, your argument no longer makes sense. Palestine, Egypt, and most of Syria are and were urbanized areas in which the cities exercised control over the countryside. the languages and religious preferences of those areas are matters of record



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 9 19:28:24 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 9 19:29:44 2018
DaddyCatALSO,

Most maps of ancient states follow the tradition of coloring in the area of
the state as if the state controlled one homogeneous space. If one colored
the actual areas of control most of these states would look like nodes and
strings. One historian wrote the only maps Rome had of the broader world
were drawn by the footprints of the legionnaires.ETA

A few years ago there was an article on Afghanistan's history in Foreign
Affairs
. The author said it was inaccurate to say Afghanistan had never
been conquered. The country had been, several times. Each time the conqueror
focused on controlling the main cities or towns and the major agricultural
areas. They did not worry about who 'ruled' in the hills and mountains.
OTOH, the same author also said a recurrent dynamic was the various ethnic
groups composing "Afghanistan" were frequently fighting with one another,
but would join together to fight any attempts by those in the cities trying
to impose central control. Of course, once they prevented these centralizing
threats they would return to fighting each other.


ETA I remember some politician or colonel - perhaps the same
person - saying we control the countryside as far as we can fire a rifle
from the road. *g*



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 9 19:05:58 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

I don't think Christians had any significant control over the Middle East
until after the Ottoman Empire fell following WWI. OTOH, my case rides on
the same shaky perception of control as perhaps yours does. *g* Here's the
sitch ...

I've just looked at separate articles on the Sassanid and the Byzantine
Empires. Both showed maps where each empire was shown controlling the area
in question1 during the same time. What gives? Probably neither
had complete control over the entire area. Perhaps what they had was varying
degrees of influence which waxed and waned, perhaps even in any given year.

That said, Arab Muslims captured the area in the 7th century and Muslims
have ruled the area from then until ~ 1919. After 1919 Europeans ruled until
the end of WWII, but the cultural sphere remained predominantly Muslim.

Returning to the present, which of the two great proselytizing religions
will trump the other during this century? Currently there are more nominal
Christians than Muslims, but the trend shows a few more Muslims than
Christians by ~ third quarter of this century. OTOH, the underlying forces
may change. OTO-OH, population growth has a lot of inertia. OTO-OOH, uber
plagues can devastate populations (case example Amerindians). OTO-OOOH,
disease can move faster these days.

And maybe the People of the Book have had their day in the sun as China and
India rise (OTOH - what a phrase - Christianity is growing in China and
China is putting down the Muslims).


1 The core: Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Gulf (The Arabs).



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 9 17:27:54 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
You know, I've been thinking with some real financial backing, Phoenix could make the Beta into a real interactive experience. Like the lobby in an MMO game.

Just imagine it: We could all make cool avatars and communicate in voice chat! Just think, popping into the Bronze and looking around to see who's online. Like over there on the Comfy Couch, hey it's Thoin. Not paying her bar tab. And there's Wolfguard at the bar with his nose in a book, smoking a pipe and sipping cognac looking studious. And here's Lostinamerica logging in. At least I think it is. Her avatar changes all the time and there's always NPC bodyguards with her in dark suits with black sunglasses and earpieces that keep you from getting too close...

I'd probably try and port my Fallout avatar in. Don't laugh, I rock that battered fedora and road leathers.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Nov 9 15:28:56 2018 199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Exactly my point. You wrote "Jerusalem was razed
and the Jews dispersed. Followed centuries of rule by non-Christians till
the Arab Muslims established their caliphates " and I was pointing out the long Christian control of the area. (As for the Sassanids, shortly before the Muslims pushe d out under Abu-Bakr, there was a Persian invasion which gave them brief control over Syria, including Palestine, and Egypt



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 9 14:03:20 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica/white wings: And this is part of why polling is so inaccurate, I think. Who answers the phone to a stranger anymore? I know I haven't since call ID was invented. And anyways, I don't like talking to poll takers or political pitches anyway, in person or by phone. That just annoys me, even if it's somebody on my "side." I hang up on them, if I do answer one by mistake.

I'm (sort of) fortunate that I don't live in a swing state, so I don't get the volume of calls, ads and door knockers during the silly season that those poor people do. I bet that gets old very quick.

Of course, my vote doesn't count very often either, but that's a whole other thing. :-)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 9 13:55:14 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: Hi! Nah, just stayed home. :-) I have no excuse for not posting. I will subtract 150 million Bronze De-merits from myself.

I don't tend to spend much time online when I'm off whup though, other than maybe sneaking on and lurking here or there. I end up pretty busy, even when we just stay home.

What's going on with you? You've been super busy, time for you to take a vacation.

White Wings: I know, right? For me, when I take a week off it's just about around last 2-3 days that I really start to relax and settle in the stress whup-free lifestyle. And then, bam, it's back to whup and I'm just as stressed out as ever in the first hour. Sad, isn't it?



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 9 13:32:27 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--They call my
cell phone too! I ignore calls from
numbers I don't recognize, there's
two or three of those a day :(



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Nov 9 13:19:26 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for occido!

yay occido!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 9 13:13:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, November 9th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Callisto
Pyro
Raven
SirenWind

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Callisto, Pyro, Raven, SirenWind!



And now my boy's in love. All hearts and flowers. But, doesn't it freak you out that she used to change your diapers? I mean, when you think about it, the first woman you boned is the closest thing you've ever had to a mother. Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad. Hm. There should be a play. Angelus, 'Soulless''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 9 10:09:25 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 9 10:17:08 2018
Get Well Soon: Judge Ruth Bader Ginzburg (fell, broke 3 left ribs.) With the FEAR that Trump may soon be able to name another Supreme Court judge, the Left may become too hysterical to deal with rationally. (okay, more too hysterical.)


Trump Honors 100 Million Victims of The Left. I think he is trying to point out the Obvious (but, of course, it's not Obvious to The Left)


Maverick


Human Nature




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white wings says:
(Fri Nov 9 04:43:05 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Princess of Darkness!

Happy Birthday JeffK, kayley, and Samantha!

lostinamerica - I suppose it's about time to call the phone company and ask why there's no dial tone on the line I'm paying for. I have somehow not been in the slightest hurry to have it back, since I use my cell for everything. *g* I'll say one thing for Robert Francis O'Rourke's text barrage (and I deeply resented the invasion of my cell phone) one of them called me, and when I said to take me off their list, without any argument they said they'd do it and they did it.

Christopher Marlowe - Florida is going to be tiresome. Are we surprised? But there appears to be plenty of time to get some sleep before breaking out the popcorn or changing the channel.

Agent Cooper - Welcome back. The return from vacation tends to ensure that the vacation won't have much lasting effect. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 9 03:08:10 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Vacation? Where were you at? Tahiti?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Nov 9 02:19:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you
have Aerophobia
Answer: Flying

Trivia Fearless: notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 9 02:05:21 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 8 22:42:49 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

I think of Byzantine as the Eastern Roman Empire. I've read a couple histories
that said they thought of themselves as Romans. Whatever they called
themselves, most of them thought of themselves as Christians and they held of
the Muslims till the Ottomans captured Constantinople in the 15th century (and
renamed it).

The Sassanids and Parthians' roots were in what's today, Iran. They were Pre-
Islamic Persians. *g* So did they run things between the fall of Rome and the
arrival of the Arabs? I'd not be surprised. But the Arabs arrived in the 7th
and 8th centuries and after a few generations North Africa and Southwest Asia
has been Muslim (Arab, Persian, Turkish).


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Nov 8 20:49:57 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
*Agent Cooper suddenly materializes near the ceiling with a loud POP and falls heavily to the floor, then gets up and cavalierly dusts himself off and strolls up to the bar...

Hi! Been on vacation. Then been in crazy mode at whup catching up from vacation.

Now I'm back to bring down the IQ curve here at the Bronze Beta again!

Trivia Girl: Fear of being shot with an arrow, and not being able to be an adventurer any more.


Hah! Notsoshygirl's trivia reign of correctness terror is over!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Nov 8 20:24:15 2018 199.127.148.4|199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Afetr the Roamn Empire went Xian, the holy Land was controlled by first Rome then the Byzantines (with a brief Sassanid Persian occupation) until it was conquered by I ebelive Caliph Umar



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 8 19:48:54 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Maverick,

Being an educated man, I imagine you know Muslims have their own calendar.
Do you know the current year? It's ~1440 AH. So it's been around 1,440 years
since Mohamed fled Mecca for Medina (AD 622). How does this relate to your
post on the Muslim Brotherhood's Plan for North America?

AD 1095 Christians' First Crusade into Muslim lands.

AD 1147 And their Second Crusade

AD 1189 And the Third Crusade

AD 1202 The Fourth Crusade


I sense your protest, ~Christians were trying to recapture Jerusalem from
the Muslims! Sure, but here one must be careful to avoid saying things that
might later be used against them. For instance, who better reflected Jesus'
desires - James or Paul?

Historically, Christianity found its seedbed in the Greco-Roman world
(there's a reason we use "Christian" and not Nazarene). Jerusalem was razed
and the Jews dispersed. Followed centuries of rule by non-Christians till
the Arab Muslims established their caliphates in the 7th and 8th centuries
which last till the Muslim Turks (Ottomans) took over circa 15th century.
Eventually the Europeans succeeded in taking control following WWI.

From many Arab Muslims point-of-view, the West has been more successful with
their plan for the Arab world than the other way around. There's a saying,
"The cow drinks in the Middle East and is milked in the West."

Anyway, I certainly don't agree with some groups in the US and I believe
this to be true for the citizens and believers in other countries and
regions. You want to fight the Muslim Brotherhood? Neat. You want to equate
the Muslim Brotherhood with all Muslims? Pfft.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Thu Nov 8 15:39:01 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan for North America. About half-way down the page is the 32-page document found in papers subpoenaed as part of the Holy Land Foundation Trial (in which several people were convicted and jailed for giving material support to a terrorist organization [Hamass]). The 32-page document is contained within its own page-turner and the English Translation is from Page 15 to 32. No one questions its authenticity. And yet everyone ignores it despite such quotes from it as (see Page 7)


"The process of settlement is a Civilization-Jihadist Process with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and saboI taging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers

"[W]e must possess a mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.'"

True I have a Primitive Mind so I am not sophisticated-enough to not feel threatened by this document. There used to be an old expression I like, "He was so open-minded his brains fell out onto the ground."

If we had an independent, thinking Press, every time a Muslim politician or influential person (especially if he/she was linked to the delineated groups) said anything in America, it would be compared to this document to see how it advances the Civilization Jihad battle plan and report the connection.


Maverick


cc: white wings, lostinamerica, Christopher Marlowe


A Hazy Shade of Winter




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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Nov 8 15:11:21 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Fresh air and/or drafts



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 8 14:48:03 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you
have Aerophobia



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Nov 8 14:39:51 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Thursday, November 8th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


JeffK
kayley
Samantha

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to JeffK, kayley, Samantha!



This must be what going mad feels like. Simon, 'Jaynestown''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 8 14:17:14 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay princess of darkness!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Nov 8 13:26:12 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--I deleted
28 calls from our home phone that I
received over the last 5 days, and
THAT'S why I'm the most glad
elections are over :)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Nov 8 12:23:20 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for princess of darkness!

yay princess of darkness!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 8 09:26:56 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Werewolf123!


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


Washinton, D.C. - vampire central or only a few tourists?

Only a few tourists, Too much bad blood for vampires' taste.



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 8 06:47:27 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

According to search results the following excerpt comes from a report from
six hours ago (present time on my computer - 1:46AM EDT)

EXCERPT BEGINS

A Georgia run-off would occur on Dec. 4 if Kemps total, currently at 50.3%,
dropped below 50% plus 1 vote. In absolute terms, hes currently about
13,000 votes above the threshold.

Kemp is also ahead of Abrams about 60,000 votes at 1.97 million to 1.91
million votes or a gap of more than 1%, a threshold for a potential
taxpayer-paid recount. A third-party candidate, Ted Met, received 0.9% of
votes cost, or about 37,000 votes.

But dramatic reversals in close elections, especially involving governors,
have happened before. Here are some scenarios.

EXCERPT ENDS


LINK:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/won-georgia-governor-apos-race-004810260.html



WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Nov 8 04:40:37 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I have no idea what will happen in Georgia. I think there is at least one runoff elsewhere, and maybe some recounts? But in the main, it's over. The lines of power are laid out. I can go back to my knitting. If some fuss bursts further on the national scene due to the post-election quiet, all I can do is make popcorn. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 8 03:27:30 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings At least there is the certainty that everything is over, unless some states I can name (Georgia). *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 8 02:49:11 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the theme song for Angel?
Anser: DArling violetta

Trivia master: notsoshyGirl!



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white wings says:
(Thu Nov 8 01:58:43 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay werewolf123!

Happy Birthday Aethelaf, Buffy Sheridan, Dusk, IamMe, Marcus, Mattie Groves, and Pixieca!

Christopher Marlowe - It's not unreasonable to take a little down time to just live (or sleep) in order to recharge.

There are other exciting things going on. For example, a front is blowing into town which I notice that y'all have once again not stopped - but I appreciate that you were distracted by the election. This time. I'm going to have to turn on the furnace tomorrow! We'll be seeing highs in the fifties! ;-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 8 01:01:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I am so over elections...



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 7 19:31:33 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 7 19:32:42 2018
Drive By

One example why one should be careful using information from the Internet
sites ...

Thinking to use Michael Landon as my answer to Trivia Girl's
question, I thought to check the spelling. In looking at the brief bio I
realized he'd died in his mid-50's. But, checking another source I got this
...

Facts of Michael Landon
Age:82 years 0 months
Birth Date:October 31, 1936
Death Date:July 01, 1991


82?!

One would think whoever entered the data might have looked at those dates a
little closer, perhaps do some subtraction. Or maybe perhaps, it was
automated entry and the machine wasn't programmed to assess such things?

(ETA OTOH, this site certainly censored my first spelling of "assess". *g*)



WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Nov 7 15:14:45 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Darling Violetta



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 7 13:45:39 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the theme song for Angel?



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 7 13:33:53 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! werewolf123!


Belated Happy Birthday Captain
Chaos!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 7 13:24:59 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, November 7th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Aethelaf
Buffy Sheridan
Dusk
IamMe
Marcus
Mattie Groves
Pixieca

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cushyAethelaf, Buffy Sheridan, Dusk
IamMe, Marcus, Mattie Groves, Pixieca



Hey! What a surprise! Hostile 17! Can I get you a drink, Hostile 17? Xander, 'Where The Wild Things Are''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 7 13:11:12 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay werewolf123!

deadguy qod

I can't see washingon, dc as a vampire town. Maybe because there are already too many people there sucking folks dry for vampires to have a chance!




Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Nov 7 12:37:15 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for werewolf123!

yay werewolf123!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale tourist bureau

washinton, d.c. - vampire central or only a few tourists?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Nov 7 06:40:49 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Vabuffyfan!


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


Do the scoobies vote? Do vampires (not counting chicago)?


Xander rarely votes. Buffy votes intermittently. In both cases it's tied to
their duties which have them out of the country. Willow, Dawn, and Giles vote.

It is the rare vampire that votes and those that do are usually recently
turned.


Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 7 04:49:32 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Nov 7 04:50:39 2018
Yay vabuffyfan!

Happy Birthday Azure, Blackheart, Captain Chaos, Dutch, Fangboy, Fax1, Irony,
Lopithecus, Nabrima, Rum Spike, Sarah, Scottj, WiliQueen, and zoni!


Win some, lose some.

Some days you bite the bear, some days the bear bites you.

Make up some cool platitude. Pretend I said it. *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 7 03:47:31 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the demon that munches on Willow I
n 'Same Time, Same Place'?
Answer: Gnarl

trivia masters: notsoShyGirl and wolfguard!

Sorry for the lateness! two hour board meetin and avoiding election results.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 6 19:17:01 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

The Gnarl never introduced himself by name to Willow, but then who among us
says to the cow, "Hi, I'm Jack and I'm going to have you for dinner
tonight"? *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

A friend gave me a print-out from 'whatsontheballot.com' Follows the first
item from each category in the "Referenda" section. Note: The sheet is
designed to allow the reader to keep track of results, thus (result) or (r).


MEDICAID EXPANSION

ID (result) Idaho expands Medicaid (#2)


IMMIGRATION

OR (result) Repeal 'sanctuary' law (#105, preview)


ABORTION

AL (r) Affirms 'sanctity of unborn life' (#2)


ENERGY/ENVIRONMENT

AZ (r) higher renewal energy requirement (#127)


I just realized by taking off the top of the list I will be weighing
examples towards Arizona. I'll just look for interesting ones now. *g*


TAXES/REVENUE

Both OR and WA, "effectively ban on soda tax"

For the cities of Broward and Hillsboro, FL - "Sales tax increase for
transport". And for the cities of Marin and San Mateo, CA - "Sales tax
renewal for transport."

(Comment: Set aside all the "Hope and Change" and "Make America Great Again"
and what one area always presses on most every city? - transportation. In
fact, all the concern of globalization would never have happened had there
not been ships and aircraft powered by cheap fossil-fuels. )


MINIMUM WAGE

Both AR and MO have referenda on a minimum wage increase, while Flagstaff,
AZ has one to "repeal minimum wage hike".


CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND LE

LA (result) "Require unanimous jury verdicts"

Both Cullman and Morgan, AL - "Bar sheriffs pocketing food fund"


HOUSING

San Francisco - "Corp. tax for homeless orgms."


LGBTQ

MA (r) "Keeps ban on gender identity discrimination" (#3)


PUBLIC BANKING

Los Angeles (r) "Enables a public bank"



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 6 17:53:55 2018 199.127.148.4|199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
(from owen00600 at reddit)

Thehe waitress asks for their orders. The guy says, "A hamburger, fries, and a coke," and turns to the ostrich, "What's yours?"

"I'll have the same," says the ostrich.

A short time later the waitress returns with the order. "That will be $18.40 please." The man reaches into his pocket and, without looking, pulls out the exact change for payment.

The next day, the guy and the ostrich come again and the guy says, "A hamburger, fries, and a coke."

The ostrich says, "I'll have the same."

Again the guy reaches into his pocket and pays with exact change. This becomes routine until one night they enter the restaurant and the waitress asks, "The usual?"

"No, this is Friday night, so I will have a steak, baked potato, and salad", says the guy.

"Me too," says the ostrich.

The waitress brings the order and says, "That will be $42.62."

Once again the guy pulls the exact change out of his pocket and places it on the table. The waitress can't hold back her curiosity any longer. "Excuse me, sir. How do you manage to always come up with the exact change out of your pocket every time?"

"Well," says the guy, "several years ago I was cleaning my attic and found an old lamp. When I rubbed it a genie appeared and offered me two wishes. My first wish was that if I ever had to pay for anything, I would just put my hand in my pocket and the right amount of money would always be there."

"That's brilliant!" says the waitress. "Most people would wish for a million dollars or something, but you'll always be as rich as you want for as long as you live!"

"That's right. Whether it's a gallon of milk or a Rolls Royce, the exact money is always there," says the guy.

The waitress asks, "But, sir, what's with the ostrich?"

The guy sighs and answers, "My second wish was for a tall chick with long legs who agrees with everything I say."



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Nov 6 15:05:04 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Gnarl



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 6 13:41:19 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the demon that munches on Willow in 'Same Time, Same Place'?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Nov 6 13:23:47 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for vabuffyfan

yay vabuffyfan!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale election commission - but we like our mayor

do the scoobies vote? do vampires (not counting chicago)?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 6 13:21:36 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Super Tuesday, November 6th 2018 C.E.
VOTE!

We have FOURTEEN (14) Birthdays!


Azure
Blackheart
Captain Chaos
Dutch
Fangboy
Fax1
Irony
Lopithecus
Nabrima
Rum Spike
Sarah
Scottj
WiliQueen
zoni

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cushyAzure, Blackheart, Captain Chaos, Dutch, Fangboy, Fax1, Irony, Lopithecus, Nabrima, Rum Spike, Sarah, Scottj, WiliQueen, zoni!



Monty: Whaddya mean she ain't my wife? Mal: She ain't your wife... cause she's married to me. 'Trash''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 6 13:16:17 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard We are seeing some of that effect, where SD is being used as a test bunny for some initiative by outside interests.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 6 06:40:48 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Somewhere I've read a couple articles observing an unintended consequence of
California's initiative process is it can be used to advance the interest of
those with the money to fund the process. Most of the time "the people" of
whatever city, county, town, or nation do not back any particular policy pr
program. It's those actors who know what they want or organize to get it. I
forgot the term or phrase, but one group found across the country are those
who benefit from new housing: developers, real estate agents, construction
companies, banks, etc. They can form an informal 'mafia' to push through
projects that often times existing communities rather not see.

OTOH, who is to say those communities should deny others their piece of
paradise. *g* I remember a news report of how Lake Tahoe was being polluted
by new developments around it. One man protesting it show the reporter how
the lake's purity was affected by lowering a disk into the water. The disk
quickly became invisible. ~Ten years ago we'd have seen that disk 30 feet
down! The man was right, but what does that tell us? He'd built his house on
the lake at least ten years ago and just soon not see anyone else spoiling
things. I imagine this is similar to people who find some special restaurant
or vacation spot and then try to keep it a secret from others. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 6 05:05:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I did last week. A friend of mine lives in California and there are 11 initiatives on the ballot. He's long complained about how many ballets there tend to be. And judging by many of them, California likes to micromanage a lot of things. My ballot only has five initiatives, so it was interesting to compare, since I think both CA and SD are known for their citizen initiative processes.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 6 03:11:53 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've not voted.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 6 02:35:26 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard have you voted yet?



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Maverick says:
(Tue Nov 6 02:35:22 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe: Rush Limbaugh declares a Teachable Moment. I remember telling you I got fed up with the Left because of the Lies, Lies, Lies. He mentions the now all-but-defunct Trump/Russion Collusion Investigation and more especially the Kavanaugh Hearings which were punctuated by staged grandstanding disruptions and lie after lie. "Believe the Woman" they declared and due process be discarded--the seriousness of the charge is more important. I hope we never have to function in a society in which the Democrats have ultimate say-so. NONE of us would go unmolested.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 6 01:54:51 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

It wasn't a country when Erik landed and established a settlement. I do recall
that "Iceland" was chosen to ward other people away (damn immigrants) and that
"Greenland" was chosen to seduce people away from Iceland. So the story
goes...

However, it's more complicated.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/iceland-greenland-name-swap/


*g*



WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Nov 6 01:04:12 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay lizza slayer!

Happy Birthday Anias, Angelus, Brewster Vamp Kitten, Carolyn, Lazy Girl,
Little Birdie, Research-girl, and Young Master ShyBoy!


lostinamerica - The campaign ads would drive me crazy. If I'm working on
the PC, I tune almost everything out, including the stuff I want to watch, which
doesn't totally work. *g* Otherwise, I switch to another channel for the
duration, or fast forward through them on recordings.

It's been dark out for an hour. That's too early. I want my DST back. *whimper*

And for those in other realms, Happy Guy Fawkes Day!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 6 00:47:59 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Erik the Red established the first settlement in what country?
Answer: Greenland

NotsoShyGirl is RIGHT!

wolfguard FAKE News!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 5 19:13:23 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

I protest. *g* There was no existing "country" where Erik founded
Eystribygg. Therefore, I shall give its location instead ...

Latitude: 60 43' 0.01" N
Longitude: -46 01' 59.99" W

*g*



DaddyCatALSO,

I just learned around eight years ago California voters chose to have or
return to an open primary. Too bad, a closed primary would explain Emma's
statement in a way that wouldn't tag her as ignorant. OTOH, it could also
suggest that when Emma last voted in a primary the primaries were closed and
she made her recent statement with that memory - which would also suggest
she hasn't voted in a primary since they became open.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Nov 5 17:49:11 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I have no idea when California's primaries were or if they are closed or open. Since it's so late in the year I assumed she was asking about the general



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Nov 5 14:29:07 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Greenland



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 5 13:32:22 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Erik the Red established the first settlement in what country?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Nov 5 13:14:42 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, November 6th 2018 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


Anais
Angelus
Armin Shimerman as Principal Snyder
Brewster Vamp Kitten
Carolyn
Lazy Girl
Little Birdie
Research-girl
Young Master ShyBoy
Harris Yulin as Quentin Travers

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Anias, Angelus, Armin Shimerman, Brewster Vamp Kitten, Carolyn, Lazy Girl, Little Birdie, Research-girl, Young Master ShyBoy, Harris Yulin



I got stabbed, you know, right here. Mal, 'Shindig''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 5 13:05:38 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay lizza slayer!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Nov 5 12:45:31 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--I can't WAIT for
elections to be over--I think I can
recite our local election ads by
memory :(



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Nov 5 12:25:31 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lizza slayer!

yay lizza slayer!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon Nov 5 06:26:00 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - I had not heard that. Perhaps that is because the concept of a tree in West
Texas does not feel even reality-adjacent. ;-)

I had not heard the second one either, but that one seems very solid.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 5 05:51:48 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read." - Groucho Marx


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 5 05:31:38 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

I heard this the other day. What do Texans do when they find a tree in west
Texas?

((They establish a state forest.))

*g*


How can you become a millionaire?

((Start as a billionaire and buy an airline. *g* This was
atttriubted to Richard Branson
))



*g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 5 05:04:07 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings *waves back* I might just sleep Wednesday and not bother to go to work. *g*



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white wings says:
(Mon Nov 5 04:04:54 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Claris, jim, and littlexander!

Christopher Marlowe - *sleepy waves* Just passing through, I'm afraid.
I wonder if I'll be more wakeful once the election is over? I'll know soon. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 4 23:12:28 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Whoa, anyone else around tonight?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Nov 4 13:36:42 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Sunday, November 3rd 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Claris
jim
littlexander

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cushy, jvs, Night Blooming Jasmine,
Sita_the_Night_Goddess, SpikeLuva!



Wash: So, two days in a hospital? That's awful. Don't you just hate doctors? Simon: Hey. Wash: I mean, present company excluded. Jayne: Let's not be excluding people. That'd be rude. 'Ariel''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 4 05:29:54 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Nov 4 05:33:02 2018
Maverick,

I saw that article. I'm looking for the case. All I saw in the article ...

In 2004, a federal grand jury in Dallas, Texas charged HLF and five
former officers and employees with providing material support to Hamas and
related offenses.


I did read Ashcroft's ~prepared remarks~ (footnote 10).

For our purposes, I'll accept the Wikipedia article is accurate in its
reporting. What I do not accept is the 'logical' leap which concludes since
HLF had a plan to ~conquer~ the US, then all American-Muslims intend to
~conquer~ the US.1 It's primitive thinking.

1 Using conquer to describe plans and actions aimed at making the
USA an Islamic country.



ETA Follows the sort of document I was seeking ...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-judge-hands-downs-sentences-holy-
land-foundation-case



WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 4 05:06:42 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: No idea what your Rubin thing is about, although suspect it is a side issue about getting hands on some extraneous money. This is what I'm talking about: Holy Land Foundation Trial


Maverick


Expressway




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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 4 04:44:09 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

Here's the nutshell of the case you noted in your post.

1 - The Rubins were victims of a Hamas terrorist attack on a mall in
Jerusalem in 1997.

2 - The Rubins won a judgment against Hamas in district court, but when they
attempted to garnish Hamas/HLF they found the federal government had HLF's
assets ~assets restrained to preserve their availability for criminal
forfeiture proceedings~

3 - The Rubins went back to court to get the assets and the government filed
a motion to dismiss. District Court, citing the ~Terrorism Risk Insurance
Act~, denied the government's motion.

4 - The government appealed and the circuit court ruled against the district
court.


Here's the link to the case ...

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1636453.html


The article does say the Department of Treasury listed HLF as a terrorist
organization, describing it as a fundraising arm for Hamas.


Your link used the case1 to argue Muslims have a plan to take
over the US. Do you recall Michael Collins and the IRA? They raised funds in
the US. They donated money towards US presidential elections. At one time,
Collins considered kidnapping President Wilson. Many Irish-Americans
supported the IRA. Along similar lines, Jewish-Americans and Cuban-Americans
both raised money, engaged in politicking, and in the case of Cuba launched
attacks from the US.

To be sure, Irish and Cuban Americans did not look to convert the US into a
Catholic nation bowing to the Pope in the Vatican.2 Nevertheless,
a few folks from each ethnic group engaged in covert political actions and
so from your logic we should indict all Irish-Americans and all Cuban-
Americans for subversion.

1 The only identifying details was HLF and July 2008. Sloppy
work.

2 Some Floridians do believe Cubans took over Miami from the
Anglos, "New Havana".



WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Nov 4 04:29:46 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Nov 4 04:37:17 2018
Christopher Marlowe: Dr. Michael Savage has recently (within the past month) written a book called, "Stop Mass Hysteria." I think he believes the Left is getting itself all stirred up based on lies and fake news from the Mainstream Media (the true leaders of the Left.) What we laughingly call "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is this fear mongering being waged by the leaders of the Left who don't want the Issues of the Day to be evaluated and discussed in the calm light of day. In other words the leaders of the Left want to control what you and others think. I believe the "ideas" of the Left do not bear up under competition and my "proof" of this is that most arguments on issues degenerate into the Left calling the Right names like Racist and Homophobe, etc. Stirring up the base is like P.C. speech which essentially stops discussion of important matters.


Maverick


Vehicle




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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 4 04:06:20 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

I've reading the case US v HLF now.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 4 03:55:22 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

Reading.


Christopher Marlowe,

What's "Moral panic"?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 4 01:41:32 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm reading articles on two concepts: moral panic and the politics of fear.
Politics of fear seem to be more relevant to day, than moral panic.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 4 00:36:52 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Hey Loop, How are you doing?



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Loop says:
(Sat Nov 3 19:00:19 2018 82.32.153.138) [Edit/Delete]
Hey guys, I'm back, I brought the
scooby-snacks...



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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 3 10:10:41 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe, Wolfguard, lostinamerica: Now, you have to admit Birth Tourism is creepy. And don't say it has no consequences. Just because we can't see what others have in mind for us is no reason to ignore it. Nothing to fear; something to examine and handle accordingly. Knowledge.


lostinamerica: Some are alarmed that many Millennials don't seem to know the 3 branches of our government and their relative responsibilities. Making laws is the job of Congress. Interpreting these laws and seeing if, how, and why they may run afoul of the Constitution is the purview of the Judicial. Obama tried to MAKE laws with Executive Orders. Trump has reversed many of these attempted over-extensions of Obama's power. To review the 14th amendment and change it you need either a clarifying review and/or ruling by the Supreme Court and/or a ratification by 3/4th of the States. Congress can propose Amendments but then it's out of their hands. You need a "convention" of states.


Wolfguard: Explanations of The Muslim Brotherhood's General Strategic Goal for North America--found as part of the Holy Land Foundation trial So, that explains where the following document came from. It is the actual plan for "conquest" of the United States, etc. The actual "Plans" the Muslims have in store for the U.S. (go down to page 15 [written in lower right corner of the page] for beginning of English translation.)


Things like these get scrubbed from the Internet, so take a picture of it, if you can. I already had to go to the Wayback Machine to find it.


Maverick


Where Do You Go?




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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 3 03:54:19 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Those of us who understand the 2nd AMD to be clear in meaning are often
worried about some folks' interpretation of the word, "Militia". *g* Many of
us also get annoyed by people who argue that this or that gun was not meant
for hunting, because the 2nd AMD is not a right to hunt, it's a right to be
armed. It's a statement that power flows from the citizens to the government
and not the other way around.

Trump cannot long defy the 14th ADM is if means what you think it means, but
Trump can bring that meaning into question by his proposed executive order. He
executes it. The EO gets challenged in court. The court issues a ruling.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 3 02:56:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 3 03:00:50 2018
wolfguard In part because of the off the cuff manner he did that. Trump talks like he tweets, without a great deal of thought.

Part of it also that many of the GOP seem to consider the constitution to be sacrosanct and not to be messed with so easily.

Conveying the idea that the Constitution, a founding document of the US seems to be treated by Trump as an annoying obstacle to getting what he wants.

I also fear the the implication that all the other amendments could be 'treated' like this. There is a reason why it is difficult to amend the constitution and I don't think Trump respects that.


With any prior presidents, and that (includes both Republican and Democrats), I might expect a more thoroughly laid out process, both in words and in deeds, if an Executive Order was all that was needed to alter or re-interpret the Constitution.

ETA

I didn't intend for my 'irresponsible' comment to generate that kind of reaction and I am a little taken back by it. I genuinely feel fear when Trump does or says things like that,



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 3 02:11:01 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 3 02:11:54 2018
Christopher Marlowe,

How is Trump "irresponsible" in sharing an opinion on 14ADM? Seriously
want to know how you, one of the loyal opposition, see it. 'Cause many of
your fellow citizens support his reading.

That said, I'm not one. If one sets aside the "jurisdiction" clause in
section 1, I don't see how Trump can write an executive order that would not
be in clear defiance. Now bring the "jurisdiction" clause back in.

Given the 14th seems very clear on your and my reading of it, then might the
'jurisdiction' clause provide a rationale for the proposed executive order?
It seemed ambiguous to me. So I researched and found opposing takes on it.
How am I to judge the two sides? I was fortunate in coming across a Supreme
Court ruling, ~US v. Ark" which made it very clear what "classes" of people
born in the US of non-citizens would be disallowed.

1 - Amerindians (my term)

2 - Those whose parents were aliens serving a diplomatic capacity in the US

3 - Those whose parent(s)' country was at war with the US (my paraphrase)

I would think your average immigrant, legal or illegal, does not fit one of
those classes.


But, this is my reading. There are certainly lawyers and legal scholars who
believe it's possible to write the proposed executive order in a way that
does not defy the 14 ADM. That's all it takes to do it and sent it out.

Now, once the EO is proclaimed, then we can see if ~it holds water. That's
how the law works. If people did not disagree, we'd not need courts.


WG



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ChristpherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 3 00:57:37 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, Maverick, lostinamerica Trump is free to share his opinion on what the 14th amendment means, but it holds no water in any legal sense whatsoever and Trump is irresponsible for stating that opinion. Trump should really KNOW better.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 3 00:01:58 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 22:34:07 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Nov 2 22:42:11 2018
Christopher Marlowe, Lostinamerica, & Maverick -

Googled the expression, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". A number
of people, some lawyers, offering their interpretation. Follows an excerpt
of the US Supreme Court ruling in The U.S. vs Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S.
649 (1898) (6-2 decision)

EXCERPT BEGINS

[T]he real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in
qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the
addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have
been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of
members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the
National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases --
children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of
diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has
already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time
of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been
recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within
the country.

EXCERPT ENDS

Earlier I posted of reading an article where one of those involved in
writing the 14th Amendment said the phrase meant the person owed their
(full) allegiance to the US. The above gives an example of (the) two classes
of people who while being born in the US might not owe full allegiance to
the US. Most people born in the US of people illegally in the US would not
fit either class.


More to follow

ETA From the same ruling above ...

EXCERPT BEGINS

To hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from
citizenship the children, born in the United States, of citizens or subjects
of other countries would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of
English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage who have always
been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.

EXCERPT ENDS



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 21:30:19 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Maybe Emma was thinking about primaries? I vaguely remember she is or once
was a Republican. If she is now and her state has closed primaries, then she
would not be able to vote for any friends running in the Democrat primary.


Maverick,

I do not think any significant Islamic group has a "long term" game plan to
do X.1 Islam, like Christianity, believes one duty of believers
is to spread the word. Some believe that's done by example, some by the
sword - both ways have been used by both religions.2

The Annales School of history thinks the real currents of history are
climate, environment, and population. People politics, economics are froth.
From this perspective, differential population growth will result in one
religious population growing larger than another. Currently there are more
nominal Christian in the world than there are nominal Muslims, but the trend
suggest this will be reversed during the latter half of this century. Who
needs the sword? Only the foolish and impatient.

Take a look at Rodney Stark's The Rise of Christianity. How did they
conquer Rome? Not with the sword and not because Constantine saw a sign in
the sky. Who rocks the cradle? Who looks after the sick and poor? Who
embraced the refugee? Christians did. They were and became the welfare net
for the Roman Empire. Once Christians moved into the political sphere, some
were corrupted.

One way Islam differs from Christianity is in not having four odd centuries
to being disenfranchised from political power. From the beginning, Mohamed
was dealing with political issues and problems. "Render to Caesar what is
Casear's and to God what is God's" is not a sentiment Mohammed would have
uttered (when faced with Mecca's PTB strong disapproval, Mohammed fled to
Medina). Paul wrote letters. Mohammed commanded troops.

But this was 2,000 and 1,400 years ago respectively. And both of these acts
- intellectual and physical - are considered by the Annales School to be
symptoms of climate - environment - population.


1 Dominate, conquer, convert, what-not the world.

2 Are you finished elaborating on your use of "true religion"?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 20:34:41 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,


I misunderstood ...

"... I dig the combo of historical with separate generations of
fiction...
"

I read it as generations of historical fiction. My bad.


Lostinamerica & Maverick,

I cannot here now cite the source, but earlier this week in an article on
the 14th Amendment one of the congressmen involved in writing it replied to
a question of meaning and his answer was not what I read in it, i.e. what he
thought was clear in the text was at least not clear to me. I will try to
find it.

In the same article another participant was asked what the "jurisdiction"
clause meant. He replied, ~the person does not owe allegiance to another
country. Again, I will look for the article to post the text.


Maverick,

Will reply on Islam part of your post to me later today/tonight.



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Nov 2 16:51:32 2018 199.127.148.4|199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
this just resurfaced in my mind. A few weeks back, Emma Tweeted a question a s to whether she';d be allowed to vote for some Democratic candidates in her area. I Tweeted back that voters can vote for anybody in the general. I e vne mentioned the two democrats I'd voted for. Her family is from western PA so might not know Phill y COuncilma-t-large A.ngel Ortiz but I'm sure some of her relatives remember The Wrong Bob Casey form 1976.
but seriously, who doesn't know this? She's obviously not stupid, since she writes with some success, and she's had some college education. Just hit how weird that was



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Nov 2 15:09:50 2018 199.127.148.4) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Where did you get Ada Lovelace fiction out of what I posted? I was simply addressing that Emma Peel (like Honey west & Modesty Blaise) is a fictional character form the 60s, Ada Lovelace isa historical character, a nd Arya Stark is a fictional character from, well, That Thing.
So what you did reminded me of what I did, listing 4 artists, two famous, two more obscure, who a re very real in the Ourverse and, without drawing any attention to its separate origin, a paining t hat to us in fictional



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 2 12:31:16 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--It doesn't matter what I, or the president, think of that phrase
in the 14th Amendment--it matters what the Congress and the state legislatures
think, because they're the only ones who can clarify it by enacting and
passing legislation to do so.

cc wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 2 12:18:10 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, November 2nd 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


cushy
jvs
Night Blooming Jasmine
Sita_the_Night_Goddess
SpikeLuva

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cushy, jvs, Night Blooming Jasmine,
Sita_the_Night_Goddess, SpikeLuva!



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 2 12:04:04 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay ajo!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Nov 2 11:22:44 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ajo!

yay ajo!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 2 05:55:26 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I saw your comment about Christopher Marlowe and myself taking opposite sides on the Bronze. We battle for your soul. BTW, I saw your comment to DaddyCatALSO about my historical comments on Islam. My comments attempted to short-cut an explanation of Islam's strategy which is the LONG GAME. Of course, they are exhorted in the Quran to kill (slice off heads, etc.) but they are aided in their conquests and are surrendered to by prior emigrants who brought their Islamic religion with them. I will go further along this road if I get the time.


I saw "Gosnell" tonight. I was hoping for two things: that Nick Searcy (whom I love as an actor) would have a nice outing as the Director (and he had an important role) and it was excellently directed; and that it would exhibit the horrors of Abortion as practiced at the lowest, street level. As a true story of Philadelphia, it hit all the right notes. Christopher Marlowe: I know you are a great defender of abortion but it's just a creepy way to live with many, many other, optional ways to avoid having to raise an unwanted baby and these should be taught to the poor and uneducated.


Christopher Marlowe, Wolfguard, lostinameria: It strikes me that we are pretending that we have lost the ability to read. Reading the 14th Amendment (remembering it was written and passed in 1868, just after the Civil War, and it was intended [I think there were two other Amendments written at the same time to sort out the legal status of just-freed slaves] to grant citizenship to slaves who had been born in the U.S. and/or naturalized [a process all its own] here--in other words a whole bunch of people who, up to that time, had questionable status--it may also have applied to white people who were living in the U.S. as indentured servants.) So, when it talks about people born here, it meant blacks born here as slaves, and when it talks about naturalized it referred to slaves brought here up to that time. Back then (1868) there was little illegal immigration--I believe it was relatively easy to apply for some kind of residency status. Anyway, what do you make of the lines "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"? Not fair to just ignore it. Think of it as a house. If your mother had gone into your neighbor's house and had you, then left, you would not be then living under your neighbor's supervision but under your parent's supervision and if they were Greek citizens on a legal temporary visit to the U.S., so would you be. The key is that "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means something. Trump may not pass a new law or amend the amendment, but he is free to issue an official interpretation of the sense of the wording. If someone, then, wants to appeal his interpretation, it ends up in the Supreme Court, where it should have gone a long, long, long time ago.


Maverick


Relax




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 05:37:41 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Next Tuesday will tell. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 2 03:11:43 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard They have both come here to try to support Noem, the GOP candidate for Governor. Having to stump in SOUTH DAKOTA of all places to support a local candidate of a rural state seems rather telling.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 2 02:09:40 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Much like Trump's visit, it appears to be very short. And confined to an area of the local airport, so protestors won't have much of a chance.



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Trivia Gir says:
(Fri Nov 2 02:04:07 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who crashes Holland's wine tasting party on Reunion?
Answer: Darla and Drusilla, but Angel is acceptable too

Trivia Master is Wolfguard!

Very long day, testing six hour shift at work and a fundraising event.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 01:50:13 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

You and Maverick appear to anchor the two ends of the political
spectrum in the Bronze. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 2 01:39:59 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Pass me my smelling salts, Pence is coming to Rapid City.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Nov 2 01:22:58 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Originally I was thinking that Buffy was going as "Honey West" or "Modesty
Blaise" (but I couldn't remember the latter's name last night *g*) and Dawn
was going to the default costume of "slayer" ("I don't have time to get
together a costume ... Come on Buffy, let me borrow a stake...Please).

There was fiction based on Ada Lovelace?

I only recognized the first two painters in your list.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Nov 1 19:51:57 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Those costumes make an interesting triple threat, and I dig the combo of historical with separate generations of fiction. (Reminds me of the art prints in my planned story "The Manse On Windbourne Road." In the late old man's study are replicas of paintings by Salvador Dali, MC Escher, Pheoris West, Richard Upton Pickman, and Maryan S. Maryan.)



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 1 18:09:04 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 1 18:09:50 2018
Trivia Girl,

Darla, Drusilla, and Angel. (Spike was there in spirit.)

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 1 13:40:04 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who crashes Holland's wine tasting party on Reunion?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Nov 1 13:24:46 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Thursday, November 1st C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Holly Frog
Isobel
Lisa1
Meteor
Mike in Texas
Touroguy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Holly Frog, Isobel, Lisa1, Meteor
Mike in Texas, Touroguy!



Nice acronym, Mom! Buffy, 'Gingerbread''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com
';



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 1 13:16:50 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay matt the bruins fan!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Nov 1 11:43:40 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for matt the bruins fan!

yay matt the bruins fan!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Nov 1 11:30:18 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Comma, ChristopherMarlowe--
Trump is either crazy like a fox or
simply crazy ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Nov 1 07:36:03 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Clarrie!


Trivia Girl,

I will have to ponder on your question.



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Buffy, Willow, and Dawn are dressing up as superheroes... who is who?

Buffy as Emma Peel, Willow as Ada Lovelace, and Dawn as Arya Stark



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 1 03:16:22 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Comma I was reading an
article about how Trump/White House
are master media manipulators. I
think the writer was giving them
far too much credit.



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Comma says:
(Thu Nov 1 01:46:25 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Nov 1 01:46:59 2018
I would not want to play poker against President Trump. I would guess that 30% of what he says is meant to throw the liberals off the trail. Look how the press goes nuts with every mistake that he seems to make. While everyone is looking at the mistakes, things, going on behind the scenes, are missed.


Comma



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Nov 1 01:19:43 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geology
Question: Where would you find the
'Old Faithful' geyser?
Answer: Yellowstone

Trivia Master NotsoShyGirl!

wolfguard I wonder what the Halloween episodes would have been about?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Nov 1 01:14:36 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 23:22:50 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
1997 Halloween

1999 Fear, Itself

2001 All the Way


1998 (Season 3)

2000 (Season 5)

2002 (Season 7)



The lost BtVS episodes of All Hallows Eve.



WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Oct 31 21:56:58 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Halloween!




wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe--I believe you've about summed up the
birthright citizenship argument :)


Happy Birthday halfrek! To be born on Halloween, how auspicious :)


Belated Yay! Nuphalanx!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 18:18:18 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Belated Yay Nuphalanx!!

Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question



If you were going for 'scary' halloween-wise, would you look at Buffy
characters or some other show?


For me, there have been few scary BtVS episodes and they are probably not
the ones most bronzers would point to ...

Innocence, Passion, Lover's Walk, Helpless, the 5th season arc of
Joyce's illness. Excepting Helpless, 'dread' would better describe my
feelings that 'scary'...

What's happened to Angel? Who will die?1 Cordelia died!?, can
Buffy survive? That last one, from Helpless. What writing and
directing. I "knew" Buffy would survive, because the series needed her to
survive, but in the story I had my fears.


1 I don't know who remembers, but in the lead-up to the original
airing of Passion the trailer showed Angelus chasing someone through
the darken school halls over which the different faces of the characters
faded in and out and the voice over let you know - someone is going to die.



WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Oct 31 16:35:04 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Halloween!

It's alive! It's alive!

Yay Clarrie!

Happy Birthday ajlover, beffaroo, DutchVamp, halfrek, Kat31, Lucie,
The Invisible Girl, vampire in a basement, Vesper, and Zendor!


Flying by after a longer absence than I had planned, due to falling asleep of an
evening (every evening), to wish everyone monsters!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Oct 31 14:29:06 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Yellowstone National Park



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 31 12:42:40 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geology
Question: Where would you find the
'Old Faithful' geyser?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Oct 31 12:20:12 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, October 31st C.E.
All Hallow's Eve!

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


ajlover
beffaroo
DutchVamp
halfrek
Kat31
Lucie
The Invisible Girl
vampire in a basement
Vesper
Zendor

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ajlover, beffaroo, DutchVamp, halfrek, Kat31, Lucie, The Invisible Girl, vampire in a basement, Vesper, Zendor!



I have finesse! I have finesse coming out of my bottom! Anya, 'Triangle''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 31 12:12:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay clarrie!

Buffy - Supergirl
Willow - Scarlet Witch
Dawn - Mystique

buffy, willow, and dawn are dressing up as superheroes... who is who?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

wolfguard True, he's accomplished something as President.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Oct 31 11:48:33 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for clarrie!

yay clarrie!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale store

buffy, willow, and dawn are dressing up as superheroes... who is who?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 02:44:20 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 31 02:46:40 2018
Christopher Marlowe,

Trump has followed through on some of his promises:

1. He took the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

2. He's been renegotiating NAFTA.

3. He's imposed tariffs on China.

4. He's appointed a number of conservative judges to federal seats.

5. He's passed a tax cut.

6. He's promoted de-regulations viewed as hindering American businesses.

7. I believe he eventually succeeded with some sort of immigration ban
viewed by many as being aimed at Muslims.

8. He's demanded that those members of NATO who have not been paying their
share of defense do so.1

9. He moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

(ETA 10. The Economy (whether or not a president is responsible for the
economy's performance, they will be rewarded or punished for it)


- While he has yet to build "The Wall" he has certainly given the appearance
of working towards restricting illegal immigration.

- He directed DOD to drive ISIS out of their "Caliphate" and this has mostly
been done.2



1 There is an agreement among NATO members to pay-in, I believe
2% of a country's GDP, towards defence.

2 As I remember, he campaigned against being in Iraq and
Afghanistan, but I don't know where his supporters stood on these wars. I do
believe many of his supporters were against Islam or Militant Islam and were
happy to see ISIS defeated (OTOH, I think most people were happy to see ISIS
defeated).



This is all a reminder to Democrats, anti-Trumpites, and the Resistance that
they are not seeing the world as it is if they believe Trump has not kept
faith with his supporters. Trump has had his successes. They may not be the
successes you might want, but they are achievements.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 31 02:21:08 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I agree with you there and plenty of legal scholars share that line of thinking. No matter how conservative the court is, the text of the 14th amendment is pretty clear. It's obvious to everyone that Trump wants to block particular groups of people.

I doubt anyone is up in arms about German immigrant mothers giving birth on US soil. Even with a strong conservative court, it would have to be some real textual gymnastics for them to give what Trump wants.

And if it is just revving up his base, how long before the acknowledge Trump can't follow through on his promises?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 01:58:26 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

A president does not have the power to repeal or change an amendment of the
US Constitution. The Congress can propose to add, repeal, or change an
amendment, but they the proposal has to go out to the states where 3/4ths of
the states have to vote to ratify.

What President Trump could do is issue an executive order telling the
various executive departments not to recognize people's as citizens if while
born in the US their parents were non-citizens. Some secretaries and
departments might, in various ways, decline to follow the order.1
Some secretaries and departments would obey. The order would be challenged
in court. The court would very likely rule against the order. The president
would have the decision appealed. Likely it would work its way to the
Supreme Court.

Those who believe the Supreme Court has a conservative majority might fear
that majority would rule in favor of the president. OTOH, every justice
would be aware the dangerous precedent a favorable ruling would create.
Every citizen who supports the 2nd Amendment might pause and think what such
a precedent would mean when a Democrat next sat in the White House.


I suspect Trump is revving up his base and ruffling up his opponents by
saying he'd issue such an order.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 31 01:36:08 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 31 01:36:41 2018
wolfguard That's the one. I believe Trump did an interview with journalists from a website called Axios, and is supposed to air on HBO November 4th. One of the questions asked was about his willingness to end birthright citizenship, but it is unclear if Trump is simply voicing an opinion or this something he will actually do.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 01:29:27 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

XIV Amendment

Section 1

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state
wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due
process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.


Key text (?)

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state
wherein they reside..."

Focusing in ...

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States ... are citizens of
the United States ..."


Question 1:

"...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof ..."

This reads as two conditions. The person in question must ...

1. Have been born or naturalized in the United States

AND

2. Be subject to to US jurisdiction


I'm not certain what that implies. How would a person born or naturalized in
the US not be under US jurisdiction? If they are out of the country??? I
just don't know enough on the text and context.


Question 2: ~ And of the state wherein they reside.

Citizens of a state, such as North Carolina or Nevada?



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 31 00:55:47 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the girl Buffy saves in the episode 'Anne'?
Answer: Lily

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 31 00:48:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 31 00:56:38 2018
wolfguard Apparently Trump has been told he can end birthright citizenship by Executive Order.

ETA

If he knows so little about how the Constitution works, I wonder if he can be tricked into doing an executive order doing away with the first/second amendment.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 31 00:44:01 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

What part of the Constitution are people arguing over?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 31 00:27:26 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
home and wondering how much Trump knows about the Constitution.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 30 18:22:23 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

There being so little content I went back and read some older posts. One was
yours to DaddyCatALSO which began with Santayana and ended with the
Islamic Plan to conquer the world. Some notes ...

1. You believe "The Left" is synonymous with totalitarian regimes. Since
everyone creates their own personal view of the world I cannot fault you for
it; however, I can say it's a weak platform for real-world analysis. But
then again most people get by, more or less, on such foundations.

2a. The Arab Muslims conquered Egypt outright. This was a few centuries
after the Greeks had conquered Egypt. And after the Arab rule of a little
under a millennium the Muslim Turks conquered Egypt from the Muslim Arabs.

2b. "Turkey" came into the Muslim fold when Muslim Turks (the Ottomans)
conquered the Eastern Romans, a.k.a. "Byzantines".1 The Ottomans
ruled the area from around 1454 till the Ottoman Empire collapsed after WWI.
Modern Turkey arose from the ashes.

If you want to say Islam will take over Europe as it did Egypt and Turkey,
then you'll have imagine a feasible Islamic military invasion of the EU.
OTOH, you might try a different scale of analysis - something beyond
broad-brush historical analogies.

1 What we now think of as Turkey was once called "Anatolia" or
"Asia Minor".


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Oct 30 14:27:48 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Lily



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Oct 30 12:40:39 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the girl Buffy saves in the episode 'Anne'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Oct 30 12:23:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, October 30th 2018 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


ajlover
beffaroo
DutchVamp
halfrek
Kat31
Lucie
The Invisible Girl
vampire in a basement
Vesper
Zendor

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ajlover, beffaroo, DutchVamp, halfrek
Kat31, Lucie, The Invisible Girl, vampire in a basement, Vesper, Zendor



When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff. Buffy, 'The Freshman'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 30 12:15:48 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay nuphalanx!

deadguy qod

Buffy isn't particularly scary, outside of the Gentlement. I would look to horror movies if I was looking for something truly scary.



Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Oct 30 11:47:07 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for nuphalanx

yay nuphalanx!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

ethan's costume shoppe - our costumes are to die for

if you were going for 'scary' halloween-wise, would you look at buffy characters or some other show?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDat says:
(Tue Oct 30 11:39:41 2018 100.6.180.182)
<-- This message was deleted by its original poster. -->



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 30 07:01:36 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Little Wiggins!


Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 30 03:22:45 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Evening project kept me away this evening. A little bit more to do. Will drive
back by before signing-off for the night.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 30 02:42:00 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica Hey! How are you doing? I was just reading a bit of history around the Posse Comitatus Act. Trump makes things so educational for me.



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Oct 30 02:33:43 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! little wiggins!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 30 00:49:12 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I voted early today. Made my candidate selections and voted on the ballot issues.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Oct 30 00:04:32 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Cateogry: Children
Question: What color was Oscar the Grouch originally?
Answer: Orange

Trivia Master: nosoShyGirl!


Did Halloween scare everyone away today?



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Comma says:
(Mon Oct 29 20:10:22 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Comma, at 66, cannot stay up for over 30 hours and understand what he is typing.

CC



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 29 18:59:34 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

The Tanakh and the Christian Bible, a.k.a. New Testament, are both collections
of 'books' and both are based are oral traditions. Some of these oral
traditions were committed to writing (and edited in the process). Over time
some of these written works were accepted as canonical.

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Oct 29 15:14:07 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Orange



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Oct 29 12:40:29 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Cateogry: Children
Question: What color was Oscar the Grouch originally?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Oct 29 12:28:41 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, October 29th C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Brad Grenz
tanya*'~
Tim Minear

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Brad Grenz, tanya, Tim Minear!



Overwhelming? How much more than whelming would that be exactly? Anya, 'Spiral'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Oct 29 12:17:28 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay little wiggins!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Oct 29 12:06:33 2018 100.6.180.182) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for little wiggins!

yay little wiggins!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Oct 29 07:01:15 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Huh? I already explained that my concern was that passed-down oral history can become corrupted, and therefore the basis of the religion must be written down and capable of being exactly duplicated for others. This also allows for an examination of internal consistency AND contradictions.ou Are you asking if the Bible is one book or an assembly of many? It is a single continuous story.


Comma: Hah? I would call you on your Freudian slips. Kennedy was the victim of an assassination although he did have assignations, such as with Judith Campbell Exner. I include pictures of some of J.F.K.'s assignations for a reason. Note the picture of Exner with the man who is pointing. Who IS that guy? Hint: he played Squire Trelane. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald was interrogated, not integrated.


DaddyCatALSO: As Wolfguard explained, George Santayana said, paraphrasing, those who ignore history are consigned to repeat it. In two instance: 1). the Left is notorious for disarming their opponents and then murdering them. Think Bolsheviks, Leninists, Stalinists, Nazis, Communists, Mao and the Red Chinese, the Kymer Rouge, etc. The current incarnation of the Left is the Democratic Party. and 2). Islam stealthily takes over countries by emigrating there in great numbers and then having so many children that it quickly outnumbers the existing population. Once it becomes a significant portion of the population, it intimidates and cows those of the other religions and it effectively takes over. Turkey and Egypt were once Christian-majority countries but are now considered Islamic countries. France and England and Germany are currently being overrun and converted by Muslims. We in the U.S. are now being targeted. Hopefully we can wake up and avoid this fate.


Maverick


White Wedding




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Comma says:
(Mon Oct 29 00:49:15 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe:

If you mean, by 'Spooky Weekend', having to walk, at 0130hrs, over to the records building, across a field that was a battlefield in the War of 1812, then the answer is a big 'YES!'. One always hears strange noises out there. I won't even talk about what may be seen out there. There is also some evidence that slaves, whom died while building Washington, may be buried somewhere near the back tree line. Over the years, when construction occurs anywhere on the Fort, there are items, of a historical nature, found.

I heard something tonight, on the History Channel, that has left me puzzled. They were airing a program about the assignation of President Kennedy. They are using news telecast, made during that day, to tell the story. After Oswald was charged, with both murders, he was brought out to answer questions. He denied killing anyone. He also stated that he had not heard, during his integration, anything about Kennedy's death, only about the police officer. Once Oswald was led away, the news announcer commented about Oswald denying killing anyone. The announcer stated this and added, 'Even in the air tight case that the Dallas Police Department and the FBI has'. This was just before midnight on 22 November, 1963. The shooting, of President Kennedy, had occurred less that six hours earlier. How could any newscaster know what kind of case that they had against Lee Harvey Oswald?


This November 22nd will be the 55th anniversary of that assignation. May this nation never go through that again.

Charles



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 28 23:21:31 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I trust everyone had a spooky weekend?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Oct 28 20:57:45 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Sunday, October 28th C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Baby Bladette
Bookish Girl
BritSlayer
SealedNFate
Shanna
Solomon Kane
Steve De Knight
Sublime
vigglando

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Baby Bladette, Bookish Girl, BritSlayer, SealedNFate, Shanna, Solomon Kane, Steve De Knight, Sublime, vigglando!



When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff. Buffy, 'The Freshman'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 28 00:40:21 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
a long day of cultural appreciation. Dia De Los Muertos and a Sake Experience and a good old fashioned American haunted house.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 27 18:53:51 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay & Happy Birthday XanFan32!!


WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Oct 27 16:28:04 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
And Happy Birthday too!

Wow, a Yay! Day! followed by a birthday, can't get better than that :)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Oct 27 15:34:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Saturday, October 27th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Buffster
Calista
Cathy
Daisychain
DarkDays
Gyst
Tangarth
XanFan32

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffster, Calista, Cathy, Daisychain
DarkDays, Gyst, Tangarth, XanFan32
M/b]


Buffy: He ran away, right? Giles: Sort of, more. turned and swept out majestically, I suppose. Said I didn't concern him. Buffy: So a mythic triumph over a completely indifferent foe? Giles: Well, I'm not dead or unconscious, so I say bravo for me.
'The Replacement''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Oct 27 10:44:32 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Xanfan32!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 27 01:40:14 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 27 00:49:07 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

For the purpose of this discussion I'm using your criteria of what makes for a
"true religion". In your last post you said a (true) religion had to be ~based
on "a BOOK". Singular and/or plural (set of books)?

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 26 20:58:57 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Santayana was a philosopher who is probably best remembered for saying, ~~
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat ~~. Another
variation, ~~ Those who do not learn history will repeat history ~~~.

It's neat so people like to use it. Unfortunately most people who 'learn'
history tend to look for confirmation of what they already believe.
Sometimes a particular event or era captures a student's imagination and
they carry it with them the rest of their lives as the go-to pair of glasses
for looking at current events or speculating on the future. One generation
had "Munich", another the "Vietnam War".

Consider "The Great Depression". We speak about it like it was a single
entity that was born, lived, and died over a span of years. It wasn't.
First, "it" was plural - emerging from the series of actions of millions of
people over a couple decades. "It" could have evolved differently at
different times and places. There's a lot to learn and be learned, but most
of us at best just 'know' a few facts from which derive big lessons. And all
from a sample of one economic contraction, albeit an uber one.



WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Oct 26 20:52:34 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Trivia Girl's Birthday.


Wolfguard: That's good. I just did not want to define religion so broadly that atheism fits the definition (which it usually does.) Religion must be based on a BOOK of recorded facts and beliefs. Otherwise, with word-of-mouth repetition, you too easily can get watered-down gibberish. True is objective-reality true or logically, consistently true, or logically, arguably true. Consensus is not proof of truth.


Ha-Ha. Two NFL players were arguing about taking a knee, etc., that whole "look at me" grandstanding deal, and one player who had protested decided to stand for the national anthem. Another player called him a "Neo-colonialist." That's rich! Which just goes to show you that they truly don't know what they are protesting. They are just trying to draw attention to themselves, all the while jeopardizing their future employment situation. Dumb de dumb dumb.


Maverick


Let's Stay Together




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Oct 26 19:29:25 2018 199.127.148.4|199.127.148.6) [Edit/Delete]
Just read the lyrics to Polka Dots a nd Moonbeams; glad my exposure to t he Chairman was later stuff, because that would not have made me abig fan.

Agent Cooper Comma Yes, I;m thinking of making line of homemade liqueurs for gifts (cucumber-pineapple in original, tropical, zesty, and cherry variants) but, even though I plan to call the whole line "Am'berre-Char'rismaa, it would be a waste of effort to try to send them sample bottles.



Maverick About all I know about Santayana is that Gordon Dickson liked his work and CS Lewis didn't, so two of my personal titans give me conflicting signals on it, too bad neither lived long enough to complete their greatest life works.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 26 19:01:34 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick,

I thought my post was clear in asking for two separate definitions:

"true"

"religion"

You've mixed the two together, which I don't fault, but it means I have to
break your reply into two parts in replying. So before replying, I want to
restate your reply using the structure I asked about.

"True"

Yours: facts, observations, logical reasoning


"Religion"

Yours: explains existence and circumstances / depends on a Supreme Being /
guides our relationships to this Supreme being

You also added "documents" which some might see as a means rather than the
essence of religion. OTOH, the distinction is probably not that important in
that all the major world religions have some form of documents and some
believers see the document as the same as the content.

Have I got your thoughts correct?


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Oct 26 13:47:02 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
Comma: Yeah, everybody pretty much knows the deal with this now.

1. No senator or congressman ever gets within a mile of an actual package or piece of mail. Interns and aides open and read those - AFTER they've been scanned and sniffed and opened by security. They don't even read their own email. And I'm positive the same holds true for a major network like CNN. For pete's sake, I work at a podunk newspaper and WE even have packages received someplace else and checked first in case we get a special present. (We have, by the way.) Most people know this.

2. If anybody receives a real, actual, suspicious package, I'm pretty sure most people's first reaction is to take a picture of it on their desk. Especially if they think it's a real bomb. Oh, and then post the pics all over social media right away. You know, instead of running the heck away from it and calling the cops. :-/

3. AND don't forget to make sure you clearly show the address labels, including the return address, in those pics you will send all over the web. I'm sure that's the first thing the investigating authorities will instruct you to do, and they'll be really happy you gave them a head start on the case this way. :-/


Ummmm....yeah...



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Fake Shemp Trivia Stand In Person says:
(Fri Oct 26 13:29:40 2018 165.225.38.64) [Edit/Delete]
The Officially Correct Fake Shemp Trivia Answer from Thursday is:

Sinatra's first vocal hit was the song "Polka Dots and Moonbeams" in late April 1940.

Trivia Crooners: Maverick

Trivia Bathroom Shower Singers: Notshoshygirl, Wolfguard



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Oct 26 12:37:02 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Belated trivial Pursuit

Category: Trivia
Question: What Day is National Trivia Day?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Oct 26 12:36:29 2018 100.6.161.57) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for xanfan32!

yay xanfan32!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Oct 26 12:16:14 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday, Octobre 26th C.E. 2018

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Bronzeboy
miremba

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Irenestring, Lurking Junkie, Selwyn29, Troll!



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