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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 20 04:42:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I have heard that Trump appears to be easygoing/personable in personable when he is in agreeable company. I haven't heard of Trump experiencing this degree of criticism before he announced his run for Congress. Was there any controversy with his '*****' comment from long ago? That may have been dismissed as Trump being Trump. Not so today.


It's sort of like the current issues of sexual harassment in Hollywood. Something hidden/ignored until it comes out in the open on a much wider scale.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 20 04:00:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Reading and thinking.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 20 01:31:32 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 20 01:54:43 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Over the years there would be people saying we need a businessman in the
White House. Now and then someone would respond saying a CEO would be
frustrated as president. Truman thought Eisenhower would have problems...

He'll sit here, and he'll say, Do this! Do that! And nothing will
happen. Poor Ike, it wo'nt be a bit like the Army. He'll find it very
frustrating.


True, Eisenhower was not a businessman, but there was the similar chain-of-
command philosophy.1 High level politics is a profession. One
needs to put in the time and come up through the ranks. OTOH, Obama pulled
it off without having first been a governor or putting in significant time
as a senator, but he at least had years in the state legislature.

Unfortunately Trump's problems are probably less due to inexperience than
it's due to personality traits. However Obama may have behaved in private,
he behaved as a president in public. This isn't an endorsement of any given
policy, simply a recognition that most of the public didn't worry he'd put
his foot in his mouth. Most is not all, so some will disagree with that
assessment. One of the things we may learn is how far apart the country
differs on what they find desirable or undesirable in presidential
behavior.

Returning to Trump. Before he ran for office, I had heard him interviewed
dozens of times. He always came across as friendly and gracious. This may
have been because I never heard him in an interview where he believed he
was being attacked. Listening to him as president ... he comes across as a
wounded lion so focused on his annoyances that he can't focus on the hunt.

Which for the most part works well for those who disagree with his policy
agenda. Some commentators believe Trump does the outrageous to distract
from other matters. Could be true, but it also works the other way.


1 One of Eisenhower's strengths as a general was his ability to
navigate political waters. He certainly was a capable administrator. The
current WH Chief-of-Staff can be traced to his administration.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 20 00:22:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard With respect to Trump, I don't know if there is a 'perfect' person to be President. We have had quite a variety of them.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 20 00:07:54 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica I saw that sad news too. Nick just doesn't appear to be getting any better, he's had problems for so long.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 19 23:03:46 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Historical Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What was the profession of Doc Holliday, before being a gambler/gunfighter?

Answer: dentist

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Oct 19 19:23:47 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Saw part of Gellar's interview in
People--so her favorite eps
are The Prom, Hush
and the The Body? And
she's a BA shipper? Smart girl ;)

On a sadder note, Brendon was
arrested. . .again :(


ChristopherMarlowe--We've
had a few "mature" friends get
laid off or lose jobs and they've
been able to bounce back, you can
too :)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Oct 19 19:01:04 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe Lousy news. Hang in there.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 19 18:03:46 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Your, Nobody buys it., suggest you missed or forgot Beldin's observations on making absolute statements. All it takes is one example of the statement being wrong to prove it false.

Everyday I observe people who believe the President is incompetent. People who believe he is handicapped by his ego. People who believe he is a buffoon. Most of these people do not hold positions in the government. Most all of them are your fellow citizens.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Oct 19 17:31:06 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Hey! It's notsoshygirl! Where've you been!? Do you have any idea how hard it is to give straight trivia answers all the time? :-P

Trivia Girl: A bartender, for the trifecta! Cuz drinking, gambling and gunfighting pretty much covers all of your recreational options in the Old West.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Oct 19 16:56:31 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Oh, geeze, that's horrible. Well, time to call in your markers and network the hell out of your relationships with those in your Company. That and/or try to get as much as possible out of a severance package. Perhaps they will even let you use the facilities there to search for another job. Go to the library and search for the latest in employment advice. Over the years, for me, it was always "What Color is Your Parachute?" And what is that service they're always advertising on the radio lately? It's "Ziprecruiter." In the meantime update your Resumé and hope for the best. Don't get morose. Stay cheerful and positive. At least you've got the beginnings of a Trump economy to work with; jobs died and were buried during the Obama regime. First-time jobless claims are NOW at their lowest level since 1973; I think your company jumped the gun on downsizing as we're actually in for a large economic expansion. I've been in your position too many time and know it's not easy to hold it together, and yet that's what it takes. Depending on your specialty, also sign up at Temp places, like I used to always go to Robert Half (Accountemps [for accounting.]) One temp assignment I took worked out and turned into a permanent full-time job which I had for 3 years afterwards. Network with everyone you've ever known. Don't be ashamed to tell people you are looking for work. Develop a regular exercise program; it will help keep you upbeat. Maybe time to place your "activisms" on the back burner.


Maverick


True




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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Oct 19 15:30:29 2017 50.198.201.21) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Dentist



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 19 15:19:43 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Historical Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What was the profession of Doc Holliday, before being a gambler/gunfighter?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Oct 19 15:08:34 2017 206.124.19.186) [Edit/Delete]
Yay k8cr8!

Christopher Marlowe

Twin, sorry about your job. That sucks. Sending you positive {{{vibes}}}



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:21:04 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, October 19th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


accountable
Kit
Misgabi
shadowbound6 aka sb6

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to accountable, Kit, misgabi, shadowbound6!



That's insane troll logic! Xander, 'Triangle''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 19 13:10:36 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay k8cre8!


Happy CD Thursday!

Agent Cooper I sure hope so! Getting a job at my age is rather daunting. I was just reading an article a couple weeks ago about the job prospects for women of a certain age and they aren't good!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Oct 19 12:51:56 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe - Oh no! So sorry to hear. That's not good news at all.

Don't worry. You'll be okay, you have a lot of experience and from what you describe with all the projects and things you worked on there I'm sure you'll get a good reference from the company. Think of it as a new opportunity to grow and do something different. I bet you land something that's way better for you than this job was.

Wolfguard: "...but who believe Trump is at best an embarrassment and at worst a danger to the country." This is the problem with that statement: you're characterizing these folks the way they want to be characterized. As humble, well meaning, loyal but ill treated servants who just want the best for the country and are "embarrassed" by that mean, rude president they don't like. It's hogwash. Nobody buys it.

They're actually angry that the "mean rude" president doesn't play ball like everybody else and is going to lift up the carpets and shine a flashlight on all the cockroaches infesting the government. The cockroaches being them.



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Oct 19 12:35:09 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--Oh, I know all
this--the problem isn't finding the
material to view but having the TIME
to view it :(


Yay! k8cr8!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Oct 19 11:03:49 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for k8cre8!

yay k8cre8!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Oct 19 05:59:16 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica: Go to your library. Or even just check the "card catalog" online for those DVD's you would like. They'll even tell you if the DVD's are there on the shelf or checked out. For TV Series, such as HBO series, etc., you can take out a whole Season (sign it out for like a week at a time. Often you can even renew it online.) This is how I have followed: "Game of Thrones," "The Walking Dead," "The Americans," "Ray Donovan," "The Big Bang Theory," "The Vikings," "Fear the Walking Dead," "Hannibal." And you can watch some older series that were favorites: "Six Feet Under," "In Treatment," "Buffy," "Angel," "Dollhouse," "Firefly." Etc., etc. It's fantastic how much is available (for free with just your library card.)


Maverick


Firefly (Not certain why this is not in red/orange as a link but it's a playable MIDI)




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 19 01:46:33 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper & DaddyCatALSO,

I'm using "elites" too cast a much broader net. At a gross level its people
and families that own and/or control some defined amount of wealth.
1 A more refined view would look at the people who hold
important roles in important organizations, e.g. the CEO's of all the
Fortune 500 companies or the state governors or leaders of religious
institutions or recognized experts in critical fields of science and
technology. It also includes individuals who have deep influence on
different groups of people. Rush Limbaugh, Oprah Winfrey, Jon Stewart,
Steve Bannon are all elites.

I blame my use of the phrase, "power and privilege", for singling out
federal bureaucrats. I do know such people who are not scared for
personal reasons, but who believe Trump is at best an embarrassment and at
worst a danger to the country. If you believe these people do not exist,
then you are making as big a mistake as people who believe only racist or
illiterates support Trump.


1 What that amount should be set at is debatable and is probably
contextual with the topic.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 19 01:46:03 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard They would have to had veered off from the story eventually, as they were catching up with his GoT books. I would assume it's tricky for Martin as I understood he is still involved in the show.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 19 01:10:46 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Somewhere I got the impression that Martin has given the producers carte
blanche to take the story where they want. In the end, we'll have Game of
Thrones
and Martin's series, "A Song of Ice and Fire".

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 19 00:59:36 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, lostinamerica I think Martin himself is far behind as well, writing the next GoT book.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 19 00:53:27 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica,

This was the first season I saw on HBO. All the other seasons of Game of
Thrones
I saw on DVD. Around ten episodes a season - a few nights work.
*g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 19 00:00:47 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What job did Harmony have at Wolfram and Hart?
Answer: receptionist

Trivia Close enuf: Agent Cooepr!
Trivia LOL! wolfguard



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 18 23:50:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay tiggy!


I want Tara to be the one cooking, I think she would make some really divine dishes!


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 18 23:23:11 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica Sorta. The company has been struggling for a long time, but the boss herself thought our jobs were safe. This came as a complete shock to her as well.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Oct 18 22:56:28 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Oh no, I'm so sorry! Did you know it was coming, this
downsizing?


wolfguard--We don't get HBO, and as with other shows I'm just too far
behind to catch up with Game of Thrones.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 18 22:08:16 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Well, barring me finding another position within the company, My last day of work is November 1st, four positions have been eliminated in my department including mine.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Oct 18 20:38:29 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper wolfguard The "elite" are lobbyists, Congressfolk and their senior staffs,, political appointees, the senior partners of beltway law and accounting firms, not working civil service people. There is some overlap in the Senior Executive Service between the two communities, but it's limited.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 18 20:18:17 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I don't think your description matches the situation at all. They are absolutely and without a doubt scared of losing their power and privilege. This is the only thought that COULD scare them.

Depicting jaded, cynical, entrenched and entitled bureaucrats as nervous about who the president is just doesn't make sense.

You think they give a darn who the president is? Presidents come and go. But they have always been there, and always will. They are the de facto owners of the government, as far as they are concerned.

Maybe - hopefully, not for much longer.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 18 18:45:43 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 18 19:08:01 2017
Trivia Girl,

Angel put Harmony in charge of financial planning. Everything else he did was to distract W&H from Harmony's work. *g*


Agent Cooper,

I realize some read 'scares them' and understand it to mean, 'scared of losing their power and privileges.' While this may be true, I believe President Trump scares them as an impulsive and inexperienced captain might scare the crew and passengers of a ship at sea sailing into uncharted waters.


Lostinamerica,

These are two examples of why Game of Thrones must be watched as well as read.

This first video is from the end of season three or four. No one dies in it. One character changes plans. It's a few minutes long and fades to the end credits which are worth watching for the music.

A change of plans

((~Of course, you shall have a cabin.))


This video is from 3rd or 4th season (?). People die, but none of them are characters of note. There's at least one useful lesson on the dangers of making assumptions based on arrogance. If you want to catch it without being too spoiled, then watch from around 2:38-3:10.

((But harm no child.))

"A dragon is not a slave"


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Oct 18 16:32:32 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Harmony was there the whole season, and Cordelia had nothing to do with it. Harm already had a job in the secretarial pool at W&H, and Wesley figured the best choice for Angel's executive assistant would be someone he already knew.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 18 16:28:19 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
So ISIS' capital city of Raqqa was captured today.

If you google a bit, you can see a picture of Rojda Felat, the Kurdish commander standing in the town square.

Apparently, SHE was the Kurdish officer who coordinated the Peshmerga during the battle.

That's gotta really burn for the islamists. They got beat, and beat by a woman. How humiliating for them. Heh.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 18 16:00:58 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: I think she was Angel's secretary or something like that.

It was like a pity job that Cordelia set her up with. I don't remember her being there long.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 18 15:10:11 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What job did Harmony have at Wolfram and Hart?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 18 14:12:30 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: "He's not likely ever going to play the role as Washington's elites expect the role to be played. It baffles and confuses them, and given the stakes, scares
them."

YES~!!!!

:-)



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Oct 18 12:34:40 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Yes, I've
heard the books are different from
the TV show so I plan on just
reading the books--I like getting
the story from the source :)

That, and we don't get HBO ;)

cc wolfguard


Yay! tiggy!


Happy Birthday Catriona!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Oct 18 12:21:55 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, October 18th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Catriona
Leitch
Mighty Mo
Pixie

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Catronia, Leitch, Mighty Mo, Pixie!



And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears? Drusilla, 'Fool for Love''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Oct 18 11:22:58 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for tiggy!

yay tiggy!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale diner - as seen on diners, drive-ins, and dives

you are having dinner with the scoobies, who do you hope is cooking?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 18 02:50:41 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 18 03:46:51 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Welcome to the opposition. *g* There were and are people who feel similarly
about Obama and Bush and Clinton ....

I believe part of Trump's effect lies in expectations many people have
about what it means to be "presidential". Many of us have only known
presidents who came up through the political class. Trump doesn't have that
experience. He's brash New York real-estate developer/showman. He's not
likely ever going to play the role as Washington's elites expect the role
to be played. It baffles and confuses them, and given the stakes, scares
them.

But his supporters love him. One said, ~ sure he's tough around the edges,
but he's tough for us.

The question is whether the country and the world is so adapted to the
standard presidential model that it cannot function well without it. We'll
see. 38 months to ago. *g*


ETA I don't think the U.S. Army ever used a Winchester. They used Sharps
and Spencer's that used levers.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 18 02:41:36 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard We seem to have come a long ways from the Winchester rifle.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 18 01:40:34 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'm sort of longing for a day where Trump doesn't speak or tweet lately.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 18 00:52:55 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

The military 5.56mm began life as the .223 Remington. The latter is a
"varmint" cartridge, a round designed to shoot relatively long distances at
small animals such as prairie dogs.1

The AK round (7.62x39mm) was purpose designed for military assaults.
According the venerable Cartridges of the World the 7.62x39 has
ballistics similar to the .30-30 (once the 'deer' cartridge).

5.56 bullets weigh 55 and 62 grains. The 7.62 weighs about twice as much
(~123gr). OTOH, the 7.62 bullet leaves the muzzle around 2,200-2,300 fps
while the 5.56 does so at 3,000+ fps. It's that speed combined with bullet
type that creates the potential for tumbling. It's also that speed that
offers long range precision fire.

Bullet behavior can be whacky. Once a friend and I were shooting a .44
magnum revolver at cinder blocks. Sometimes the bullet would punch a neat
hole through a block, sometimes a block would shatter into pieces. Which
reminds me of the JFK assassination. More on that later.


1 I don't hunt, but traffic with people who do. Some of them say
the .223 is not adequate for deer hunting, others successfully use it for
deer. Back in the 50s, the hunting industry introduced the .243 for hunters
who wanted to use one cartridge for both varmints and deer.


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 18 00:16:26 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who ran the costume shop in the episode 'Halloween'?
Answer: Ethan

Trivia Master Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 17 23:30:41 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Oct 17 20:42:11 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Looking forward to tCM tonight: The Devil's Bride (aka The dEvil Rides Out)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 17 18:30:35 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica HA! yes, we could have very well be a line of port-o-potties!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Oct 17 17:21:11 2017 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I will say this about GOT. I had tried to read the first book on one other occasion last year, and the first chapter was not very interesting and a bit confusing as to what was going on. At the time I had something else to read that I was more interested in, so I gave up on GOT and put it down. This time around I stuck with it, and after, I'd say, the first two chapters I was hooked. It takes a bit of investment to get into it but it's well worth it if you hang in for those first couple of chapters I know it's kind of a cliche to say that about books, but with GOT it's honestly true. Or was for me.

Las Vegas Guard: I still don't really understand what happened with that guard. I should google I guess. Did he get shot and crawl away or just lie there by the door till help came?

Back in the service they taught us that the 5.56 round that the M-16 fired was relatively weak as far as shooting through things. IE, it was easily deflected and prone to tumble when it hit something. (Which is why it does so much damage to people.) Maybe the fact that the shots came through the door saved the guard's life?

And just as an addendum, they taught us that the AK-47, while much less accurate, had much more "Punch" than the M-16. They taught us, for instance, that if you take cover behind a tree make sure it's a really thick tree. And anyting like house wall or a car door would do nothing for you. An AK47 round (whatever it is) will go straight through and still get you.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 17 17:05:05 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Brain Basics (National Institute of Mental Health)

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 17 16:51:26 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

From the article you linked to ...

"...Lombardo described how Paddocks autopsy while still in its early stages had not shown anything abnormal..."

No visible tumor or abnormality, but "...early stages..." suggest they are going deeper, e.g. brain chemistry, etc.

Security Guard: In the last updated timeline I saw, the guard was the first person shot. He'd been sent to the floor to check an alarm and the shooter shot at him through the door. One or more of the bullets hit him (I believe in the leg).

I do not know what cartridge types the shooter was using. The rifles I saw in the photos looked like AR's and most AR's are chambered for .223/5.56mm.1 Going through the door would slow down a bullet, but damage will be done. Perhaps the guard is recuperating. Perhaps he's tired of microphones in his face. Maybe he's on Mars?


Game of Thrones

I tried to read the first book, but some of the characters didn't interest me. Given the content format I eventually got bored.

~ The easiest choice a reader has is to stop reading. ~

That said, many readers say the show has taken great liberties with the books. They are not the same. At this point in the show, it has pulled ahead of the books. They converse with Martin, but are no longer tied to Martin's vision of the story.

1 I know there's a difference in these two, but it's not worth going into here.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Oct 17 15:28:22 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Ethan Rayne.

Did you guys ever wonder if Ethan ever casts a spell or does something fabulously evil and then says "Make it RAYNE up in HERE!"

It could be like a catch phrase for him.

Or, you know, maybe not.


Lostinamerica: I just got the second book, and have started it. Really good stuff. Like I said, I can see why it's a thing now.

I'm avoiding the TV series until I catch up with the books. Which is easy since I don't have the channel. Well, easy except that everybody at work talks about it, so have to be careful what I hear around here.

Wolfguard: They didn't find anything wrong with the guy's brain. But it's interesting that they looked into it. Did you see now how the security guard involved in the Las Vegas shooting case disappeared? Just before he was going to do a press conference too. I guess this guard was shot first when he investigated noise in the room or something. Alot of weird stuff is happening with that case.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Oct 17 14:59:57 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who ran the costume shop in the episode 'Halloween'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Oct 17 13:30:06 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, October 17th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Cole_Xavier
Killabong
loop

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Cole_Xavier, Killabong, loop!



Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name. 'Real Me''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Oct 17 13:16:15 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay zeus!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:


I can see Buffy being a bit stabby with that carving knife!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Oct 17 13:03:18 2017 174.196.149.235) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--That
stinks, being the parking lot :(
But you could have been the
bathrooms, so there's that ;)


Agent Cooper--I've read the
first two Game of Thrones
books and will start the third
soon--they're wonderful :)


Belated Happy Birthday
Cashmere
and Leather
Jacket!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Oct 17 11:18:27 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Oct 17 11:19:01 2017
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for zeus

yay zeus!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the pumpkin patch - home of the great gourd

who, amongst the scoobies, is the best pumpkin carver?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Oct 17 07:02:40 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 17 03:12:45 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

And society might find messaging services useful. I was just reading an op-ed
on "platforms". Facebook is a platform. Android is a platform. A Farmers'
Market is platform. They facilitate meetings and exchanges of all sorts, some
perhaps nefarious ones. How does a legislature envision its laws doing? Will
there be undesirable, unintended consequences?

California passed a bill requiring employees (?) of nursing homes (?) and the
like to address patients by whatever gender title they wish under the threat
of a jail sentence.1 Isn't California trying to reduce its prison
population? Isn't California trying to reduce its spending? How much thought
has been given to the precedents this might create?


1 I went to a site(s) that had the text of California bills.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 17 02:51:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard This seems to be one of those well-intended laws, but does more than was intended!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 17 00:42:39 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard The pro would appear to be the shutdown illegal bookmaking. However the con would be that since 'you' would not want to face lawsuits or other problems because only some of your customers are the problem so you close up shop. Another might be no one wants to risk owning or starting a messenging service to the risk of liability.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 17 00:14:58 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I just read the opening paragraphs of Wikipedia's article on SESTA. It
seems one goal is to amend the Communication Decency Act's section 230
~Safe Harbor provisions. The latter established online services were not
responsible for the acts of customers who used the services. SESTA appears
to remove some or all of this protection.

My analogy ...

I own a messenger service. Some bookies use my service in taking and
placing bets. I don't know or don't try to know who uses my services. For
years the state accepts this, but then decides laws can be applied to such
messaging services in ways that would help law enforcement prosecute
bookmakers. It's also possible messaging services could be held criminally
liable for any bookmaking conducted through them.

So, what are pro's and con's of such legislation?



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 16 23:23:54 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper, OldManfan, wolfguard Just so you know, I'll be out of town from the 21st to 27th. I should have access to wifi via my tablet, so I should be able to keep in touch with the beta during that time.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 16 23:17:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I learned something new today. Something called SESTA, Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Now. It seems to be causing something of a controversy. It looks like it may or may not hold websites liable for content on their website.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Oct 16 23:10:45 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Advertising
Question: What color are the bows holding Wendy's pigtails in place in the fast food chain's logo?
Answer: Blue

Trivia Master of None! Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 16 21:37:22 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

A couple days ago I learned the coroner had done a gross examination of the
shooter's brain, but additional examination would be done at a micro-level.
I do not know if the scans would constitute such an examination.

A few years ago there was a collection of articles looking back at the
major changes across several scientific disciplines. Imaging technologies
was one of two that I remember for neuroscience. Vast improvement;
nevertheless, one neuroscientist said studying the dynamics of brain
processes using imaging was akin to studying urban dynamics by taking
aerial snapshots once every ten years.

A big tumor in the wrong place would perhaps have explained the shooter's
apparent behavior. Perhaps there'll be clues in the brain chemistry. The
brain has around 50 neurotransmitters and if and when they get out of
whack, behaviors can change strangely.


I held the cat, cause I could hold the cat. *g*


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Oct 16 20:39:39 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
RIP Roy Dotrice Wesley's dad



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 16 18:50:03 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: First of all, why do you have a cat over your head?

Secondly, Shakespeare knew the deal way back then didn't he!

Thirdly, WHY DO YOU HAVE A CAT OVER YOUR HEAD?

Oh, and I don't mean to bring up a sad topic again but I saw this today and thought of you, because you had mentioned this at the time. Turns out they DID do a brain scan on the Las Vegas guy, just to see if anything was going on.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/brain-exam-on-vegas-shooter-shows-no-signs-of-abnormalities/


Chris Marlowe: Heh. Go Parking Lot!!

I've mentioned this to death but we're in sales here so we do contests all the time. Last week we split the sales staff into two teams and they let me do the creative part. So I made one team the Justice League and the other the Legion of Doom and assigned them all characters next to their names on the revenue sheet. IE, the Justice league had Wonder Woman, Black Canary and Starfire. The Legion had Lex Luthor, Killer Frost and Solomon Grundy.

It was fun, actually. Next time I think I'm going to pit Slytherin against Gryffindor. Or maybe Stark VS Lannister. :-)



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 16 18:35:00 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Andrew and Jonathan rode ATV's.


Christopher Marlowe,

I never thought I would type this sentence, but I am holding a cat over my head. *g*



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 16 18:22:13 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

"...For Gods sake let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings:
How some have been deposd, some slain in war,
Some haunted by the ghosts they have deposed,
Some poisoned by their wives, some sleeping killd,
All murdered for within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king
Keeps Death his court...
"

From Shakespeare's, "Richard II"


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 16 17:47:05 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I never thought I would type this sentence, but I have a convertible over my head.

As part of the NFL decoration theme, my department has been designated as the 'parking lot' so I have a cardboard version of a convertible suspended over my cubicle.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Oct 16 16:52:59 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe wolfguard We never saw, but Tara talked about enjoying horse riding, and Cordelia had at least owned a horse, and given her natural athleticism was likely a rider. (In my fics, for reasons of storyline, I made Harmony into a good rider as well.) Wonder about the actors in real life; I did once read Charisma was into some quite dangerous sports in the early seasons, specialized types of mountain climbing for example, and got Alyson into it until Fox's insurance carrier made them stop.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 16 15:19:19 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Red?

Doublemeat Palace looks like a Wendy's. Or vice versa.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Oct 16 14:40:25 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Advertising
Question: What color are the bows holding Wendy's pigtails in place in the fast food chain's logo?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 16 14:04:20 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
I finished the first Game of Thrones book. Awesome read, couldn't put it down. Now I see why it's such a thing. Need the second book now.

In the meantime, I cannot stop watching this video.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Oct 16 13:28:14 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, October 16th 2017 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Bishop
BlueStarAdept
Chameleon
David Greenwalt
Kari
Phillygirl
Smyle
Tara MacLay as played by Amber Benson
Wendy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bishop, BlueStarAdept, Chameleon
David Greenwalt, Kari, Phillygirl, Smyle, Wendy!



So there is something I can do, besides scream like a woman? Wesley, 'Graduation Day (2)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 16 13:09:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
need less coffee...

yay menkhare!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Oct 16 12:43:49 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for menkhare!

yay menkhare!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon Oct 16 03:34:47 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I hadthat problem years ago. With
cokes, not coffee. But there were nasty headaches on weekends when I was
"drying out". Extra strength Excedrin seemed to help. I suspect it was the
caffeine in it rather than the painkiller. You might try more decaf at work
and a little caffeine at home.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 16 03:16:32 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Yeah. I think it has to do with caffeine. I drink coffee at work, but don't make it at home, and that may be what is causing the problems. So I either cut down on the caffeine or buy a coffeemaker!



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white wings says:
(Mon Oct 16 02:21:05 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday angelgazer, drunkenfairy, echo, Kristen, lonegun, Lurkerfish,
mudpuppy, Myxti, Nightshade, Original Jessica, RedThunder, and SlayedMyself!


Christopher Marlowe - Very quiet. IRL too, as far as I'm concerned.
There may have been sleeping and antihistamines, not necessarily in that order.
Did your headache go away?

ThatSlayer- There's always a light in the window here for wandering
Bronzers.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 15 23:50:09 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
just another lazy day in the neighborhood!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 15 19:47:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
ThatSlayer! Howdy! Its' amazing this board is still up after all these years. There is a bronze facebook page too.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Oct 15 13:25:44 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, October 15th 2017 C.E.

We have TWELVE (12) Birthdays!


angelgazer
drunkenfairy
echo
Kristen
lonegun
Lurkerfish
mudpuppy
Myxti
Nightshade
Original Jessica
RedThunder
SlayedMyself

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to angelgazer, drunkenfairy, echo, Kristen, lonegun, Lurkerfish, mudpuppy, Myxti, Nightshade, Original Jessica, RedThunder
SlayedMyself!



You never know if a girl's gonna say 'yes', or if she's gonna laugh in your face and pull out your still-beating heart and crush it into the ground with her heel. Xander, 'Inca Mummy Girl''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ThatSlayer says:
(Sun Oct 15 09:24:07 2017 173.190.79.205) [Edit/Delete]
Hello, peoples! I'm brand new here but I used to play at the old PB back in
the day (before UPN).

I wanted to get back in touch with the Buffy community, at least something
near the way I remember it.

It's been ages since I've seen the beautiful Bronze colors!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 15 01:45:11 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
ugh..not a good night, headache and nausea.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Oct 15 01:23:14 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
VitomirtheVampire: Well, I AM a Buffy/Xander shipper and my fanfic certainly features a different version of Xander, one with his own mythic (excuse my lisp) mystic powers. See it here, at Maverick's Homepage. Starting at "Unbecoming." It is written as scripts for the TV Series. It begins with Xander feeling guilty for his jealous reaction in not warning Buffy that Willow was going to try to re-soul Angel once again. In "Unbecoming" Xander enters "hell" to try to rescue Angel and bring him back out. Also, note on my website, down where it says "nostalgia" that I have collected and saved old Bronze pages and other relics of the online Buffy fan experience. Feel free to browse this information.


Maverick


Buffy Theme




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 14 21:28:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
VitomartheVampire[b/] I'm sure there are lots of xander/buffy shippers out there! Folks don't post about Buffy much these days though!



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VitomirtheVampire says:
(Sat Oct 14 16:01:30 2017 24.80.81.26) [Edit/Delete]
Any Xander and Buffy shippers in the
house? I know we are a rare and
inconspicuous bunch, but come out from
hiding you guys.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Oct 14 15:51:21 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, October 14th 2017 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Candy
Liquorice Stick
Lurkerfish
Malista
RubberDevilDucky
Squints
TB
ying

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Candy, Liquorice Stick, Lurkerfish, Malista, RubberDevilDucky, Squints, TB, ying!



I'll just jump in my time machine, go back to the twelfth century, and ask the vampires to postpone their ancient prophesy for a few days while you take in dinner and a show.
Giles, 'Never Kill A Boy On The First Date''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 14 03:27:47 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
whew...that was a long...if good...board meeting.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 14 00:34:37 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

We have seen Buffy ice skating and Giles horseback riding. In her senior year,
Willow became an avid fan of Sunnydale High's basketball team. Cordelia was a
cheerleader.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 14 00:08:34 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Which brings something to mind...I don't think we've seen the gang (other than Xander) do any kind of sport, like hunting, fishing or things like that.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 23:58:54 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Some people can work while they fish.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 13 23:41:45 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I'd rather be fishing. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 20:59:16 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
You can do real work or go to meetings, but you cannot do both.

- Peter Drucker


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 13 19:17:36 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
AT our workplace, we are hosting a tailgate party next week for some head honchos flying in to visit us. Each department in the building is done up on the various colors of NFL teams. Our department doesnt' get a team, we apparently represent the parking garage.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 13 18:11:26 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO We seemed to have covered everything above and below ground. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 18:09:45 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

Ooops! Good catch. Also the apartment of the demon who offered to sell the books of ascension to Buffy and Faith.

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Oct 13 14:17:52 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl Not only am I often excluded when I play, now I'm included when I didn't.


wolfguard Christopher Marlowe We saw the apartment of the geology prof Faith killed, and Faith's apartment from the Mayor.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Oct 13 13:13:02 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, October 13th 2017 C.E.

We have TWELVE (12) Birthdays!

Candiz
Cashmere
DreamLurkeer
Ed6
Hello
goth_gurl
Jipsy_Girl
Kazanjian
Leather Jacket
Mandakay
Morbius
Nikana

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Candiz, Cashmere, DreamLurkeer, Ed6, Hello, goth_gurl, Jipsy_Girl, Kazanjian, Leather Jacket, Mandakay, Morbius, NikanaMarie!



Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan. Now I'm having a wiggins.Xander, 'Innocence''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Oct 13 11:27:37 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Corvus!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Oct 13 11:04:57 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for corvus!

yay corvus!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 13 02:32:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Sunday! That's the name. We saw a fair number of frat houses on the show and the INitiative underground.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 02:12:09 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 13 02:14:10 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

The Vampire in Question was Sunday. As I recall, she and her minions nested in
an abandoned frat house. ETA The Freshman (4.1)

ETA 2 "The Class Protector Award", a parasol.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 13 02:10:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, OldManFan Thank you! The only thing I could recall was that vampire nest Riley was in. We've seen the dorms. What was that place in season four, that blonde vampire that stole Buffy's award from high school.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 01:38:01 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan,

Into the Woods and the episode or two before it when we first saw Riley
indulging and Spike spying.

Joss' villains liked ruins or mansions. The debris of industrial society. *g*

Imagine in a century or two it will be massive server farms. "The Cloud"
dissipates. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 01:27:32 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I've just ran through the episode list. Excepting the main characters'
homes,BtVS mostly staid away from all residences. Follows the residences
that caught my eye on the skim ...

Main Characters Residences

Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, Oz, Angel, Anya, Riley (Dorm), Spike (Crypt),
and Faith (Motel - not suburbia). Angel lived first in a walk-down
apartment and then moved to the mansion (abandoned?). Spike lived in a
warehouse and mansion before moving into the crypt.

Other Characters with Residences (not counting dorms rooms)

Amy in The Witch, the teacher in Teacher's Pet, the retired
toymaker in All the Way, the woman Xander met in Beneath You
and the demon in First Date (but I guess she really lived in a
lair), R.J.'s older brother in Him, the man's house in which Buffy
took refuge in Empty Places.


Above's all that caught my eye. BtVS happened in public buildings or
abandoned factories (damn capitalists). Set aside the Bronze, Buffy's
house, and a couple churches (Pangs, Who Are You) and all of 4th
season - bar Hush - was set in or around the campus. Okay, the woods
and caves and cemeteries, but no residences.

In seasons 1-3 hell was high school so that's where it centered, any other
setting was a setting where demons and vampires - real or internal - were
battled. Neighborhoods were what characters had to cross to get from these
settings and that's usually wasted time, CUT-TO (exception was when the
writers parodied the cavalry coming to the rescue in Pangs so had
Willow, Oz, and Xander cycling across the campus.


The only working class neighborhood that comes to mind was Buffy's stomping
ground in Anne.

Sidenote: In looking through the episodes only a few scenes set outside the
country ...

England (Angelus)/Lessons, Beneath You2)
China (Fool for Love)
Turkey (Lessons)
Germany (Beneath You)
UK (Council goes Boom)



1 e.g. I Robot, You Jane / When She Was Bad / Band Candy /
The Wish / No Place Like Home
.

Now to be fair, Joss and Marti may have been rethinking this since
Showtime took place in a new construction site and they did rebuild
Sunnydale High - then destroyed it and the town. Damn Marxists.

2 Willow was in both, yes? *g*


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Oct 13 00:52:43 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - The Bronze was not in the nicest of neighborhoods. Ditto Willie's. The docks, also. The motel where Faith was living. But those are commercial areas. The only residential neighborhood I remember that was "bad" was where the vampire nest was.

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 13 00:31:32 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Reflecting. Reply in a bit.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 23:31:19 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Did we ever get to see a 'bad' neighborhood on Buffy? Or did it stick mostly to surburbia?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 12 23:15:09 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: Who sang that rainy days and Mondays always gets her down?
Answer: Karen Carpenter

Trivia Mentors: Agent Cooper, DaddyCatALSO!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Oct 12 20:39:33 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Old Red was one of the ornriest yet
I'd seen at the big rodeo
He'd bite you and kick you and stomp out your life,
Old Red had never been rode

Meaner than sin, wild as the wind
That blew on the Montana plains
Old Red was one of the last of his breed
And wasn't about to be tamed

From Idaho, a young cowboy came
To ride in the big rodeo
The young cowboy's name was Billy McLean.
And Billy had never been thrown

The greatest desire filled young Billy's heart
To ride this old outlaw called Red
He drew him one day and I heard Billy say
"I'll ride him or drop over dead"


Old Red was wicked down there in the shoot
He was kicking and stomping about
Billy climbed into the saddle with ease
And yelled turn him loose let us out

Old Red came out with his head on the ground
His back hooves were touching his nose
Trying to get rid of the man on his back
But the man went wherever he'd go

Billy was raking Old Red with his spurs
From his tail to the tip of his chin
He was doing right well, but Billy could tell
This outlaw would never give in

Old Red was running straight for the fence
Suddenly stopping and then
He reared on his hind legs then fell on his back
Taking poor Billy with him


There was a hush in the crowd and they knew
This would be Billy's last ride
The saddle horn crushed Billy's chest when they fell
And under Old Red Billy died

Old Red lay still, no more would he move
The cowboys that seen it could tell
In trying to throw Billy off his back
Old Red broke his neck when he fell

Out in the west is a place where they rest
This cowboy that never was thrown
And one foot away resting there 'neath the clay
Is the outlaw that never was rode


Read more: Marty Robbins - Old Red Lyrics | MetroLyrics



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 19:24:00 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper, Maverick Not bad guys!

What's shakin' in your world today?



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Maverick says:
(Thu Oct 12 19:18:42 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Karen Carpenter.


Something to think about. Hugh Hefner died of 1) heart failure and 2) E. coli infection. E. coli infection is like food poisoning, usually caused by a bacteria, etc., and is becoming, more and more as of late, resistant to antibiotics, and other treatments. As I "bag" groceries at my local Kroger, I am conscious that uncooked meat is especially "dangerous" in its potential to contain bacteria. I am not to bag uncooked meat with other foods, especially raw vegetables and produce. As you put your food away after returning from the store, keep this in mind. Also, as you handle uncooked meat, stay alert and clean surfaces and if you handle meat wash your hands before handling other foods. Adopt habits and procedures to avoid cross-contaminations. Cook the meat thoroughly, and learn to use a meat thermometer.


Vladamir Putin received a Karakachan Puppy from the Bulgarian government. They had a contest across Russia to name the puppy and a 5-year old boy won. What was the winning name? Spoiler Buffy Here's the Story


Maverick


Mandy




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Oct 12 18:29:02 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Karen Carpenter, maybe? I'm honestly guessing.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 12 16:04:32 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: Who sang that rainy days and Mondays always gets her down?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Oct 12 13:37:09 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe/Maverick: Oh, I believe that about SD. ALL these politicians are in it for the money. But you should see NY. Here, they are pure artists at graft and embezzlement. I mean, NJ looks at NY wistfully and wishes it could be as corrupt when it grows up.

Anyway, the point government is corrupt as it is, so I think if you go too far in either direction you make it even worse, and get a mess. You need to have a balance. You can't have a monolithic government representation unless the population really wants that, which I have to think is probably a rare occurrence.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Oct 12 13:29:18 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, October 12th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


~sara~
angela
F.Y.R.
Fiveby5
KIMP
Kytee
sts

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ~sara~, angela, F.Y.R., Fiveby5, KIMP, Kytee
sts!



River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?'Safe'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 13:10:19 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay android!

Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Oct 12 11:11:12 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for android!

yay android!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 12 08:29:42 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Tb!

Happy Birthday Mitchie!



Christopher Marlowe,

Meditations on Violence's subtitle is "a comparison of martial arts training & real world violence". Here's are a couple of excerpts from chapter 5 on training...

"In the end, a martial artist is training to injure, cripple, or kill another human being. In any drill where students are not regularly hospitalized, there is a DELIBERATE flaw, a deliberate break from the needs of reality introduced in the name of safety ... Let me be clear. There is no way to exactly replicate breaking people without breaking them, and a large part of the history of the martial arts has been in finding safe ways to approximate that action..." (Sgt. Rory Miller, Meditations on Violence, p.107)

Over time practitioners forget such adaptations. This is especially true if the teachers lack a personal experience with violence. In time, a martial art becomes just a sport or recreation with little use in self-defense or combat - and yet its practitioners don't know it. They are living in a dream.


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

During the run of BtVS/Angel, which vampire was the most deadly?

Kakistos and the Master probably couldn't have gotten as old as they were without killing a lot of people. Math says, one of those two. Gut says, Angelus.


Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 12 07:02:30 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Jesus likely grew up in an extended family. He probably learned the trade of his father. Tradition has it that his father was a carpenter and therefore Jesus was trained as a carpenter. OTOH, the Greek word translates more as craftsman.

A few miles from Nazareth there was the Roman-influenced town of Sepphoris. Jesus likely spent some time in the town. He would have been exposed to Greek, Hellenistic, and Roman culture. Some Jews were repelled by these cultures and some were attracted. One could probably write a dissertation or two on Jesus' take on such alien influences on Judaism.

Many Jews also felt oppressed by the Romans, but some Jews benefited from such rule. Jewish prophets likely stirred the pot.

So, Jesus grew up exposed to clashing cultures.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Oct 12 06:51:51 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: The days are getting shorter this time of year. Fortunately for you, you haven't really experienced a corrupt government (although you may think you have.) Here in Detroit, the Mayor (2 mayors back,) Kwame Kilpatrick, is in Jail. The last two Governors of Illinois (Ryan and Blagojevich) are in Jail (Ryan was a Republican.) Illinois is for all intents and purposes bankrupt owing billions. Baltimore is really corrupt and New York City, now, is also under leadership of the unscrupulous. Likewise Governor Moonbeam in California is duplicitous, without moral backbone. Large cities, urban areas, are usually under Democratic "leadership" and are generally not financially stable (Detroit's doing somewhat better recently.)


Maverick


Nights in White Satin




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 03:37:30 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Jesus.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Oct 12 02:48:06 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Oct 12 02:48:39 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Some of the 19th century northeast city machines were corrupt, but competent.
When you a man's vote, the man got something solid in return. *g*

Practicing nepotism has also been seen both as moral and practical when higher
organizations were viewed as illegitimate or untrustworthy. One might say that
Giles and Buffy's willingness to protect Faith from the Council in
Consequences reflected a form of nepotism: she's a sister slayer. We
understand her in ways the Council can and will not.


ETA Whose childhood?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 02:44:16 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I would presume some idea of his childhood could be guessed from more general accounts of how society was back then.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 12 01:37:34 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
MAverick Well Run? South Dakota government is as corrupt and incompetent as the day is long.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Oct 11 23:36:04 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Law enforcement.


Christopher Marlowe: You're lucky and your state is, relatively-speaking, well-run.


lostinamerica, Agent Cooper, Christopher Marlowe: Yes, I'd forgotten for the moment that you can now be jailed in California for referring to someone by the wrong pronoun. Now, I would argue that the only way to avoid this would be to refer to everyone as "your majesty." With that much power over you, you might as well bow down before them. The supposedly previously bullied have now become the bulliers.


lostinamerica: I am confused by your language and sentence structure. I don't think an HIV-positive person can really harm another HIV-positive person BUT an HIV-positive person, like Charlie Sheen, for instance, could spread HIV to an HIV-negative person and needs to inform and give his sexual partners the chance to opt out. Taking the drug cocktail on schedule and getting the readings down as low as possible does not 100% eliminate the chance of infection. It's still like playing Russian Roulette or having to deal with someone wearing a suicide vest, and California has now reduced the crime from a felony to a misdemeanor.


Maverick


Refugee




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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 11 23:26:21 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What profession was Kate Lockley in?
Answer: Police Detective

Trivia Captains: notshygirl!
Trivia Person of Interest: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 19:13:59 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
AGent Cooper The democratic representation here is sadly lacking. I believe out of the 35 senators only 8 are Democrats. In the senate there are 12 Democrats out of 70. How many are RINOs is anyone's guess, but it's not a good situation on any level.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 11 17:18:39 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: She was a dog trainer. *rimshot*

Heh. I'm here all week!



Lostinamerica/Maverick: BTW That law you are referencing also says HIV positive folks DON'T have to tell the Red Cross or blood blanks they have the disease either. This is what happens when political correctness goes from silly to dangerous with dire negative consequences to everyday people.

This and lots of other fun stuff is happening because in CA right now the state legislature is wholly controlled by far left democrats. They have carte blanche, with not even the weak opposition from the center or right they normally have.

Imagine the Berkeley City Council running an entire state. Yeah, that's California right now.

So you have laws like this one, and laws which says you can put in jail in CA now for referring to someone by the wrong gender pronoun. Which could be any one of about 30 or so officially recognized ones and which may change depending on the accuser's mood that day.

Sadly, I am not making this up.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Oct 11 15:27:33 2017 206.124.19.186) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
LAPD Detective



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 11 15:02:55 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What profession was Kate Lockley in?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Oct 11 13:28:18 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, October 11 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Annika
_Charming_Slayer_
Michelle Trachtenberg as Dawn Summers
NyteWolf

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Annika, Charming Slayer, Michelle Trachtenberg, NyteWolf!



And almost sixty-five percent of that was actual compliment. Is that a personal best?
Xander, 'Becoming (1)'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 13:21:26 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica, Maverick

This might help with HIV and the Law. HIV is still quite stigmatized, especially in states like mine.

Ending Criminalization of HIV



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 13:16:13 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay tb!

deadguy qod

Hard call: Angel, Darla or Dru, Spike is not a factor!


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Oct 11 12:34:26 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick--I'd heard that
and am puzzled--don't you WANT to
keep people from possibly
infecting other people with a
serious illness?

Supposedly the law that was in
place "stigmatized" HIV sufferers.
How? No one knows they have the
disease unless they disclose it.
Also, with the advancement of
treatment there is a "negligible"
chance an HIV-positive person can
infect another. "Negligible" is
not "zero"--I'd like "zero",
please. Then you have the HIV-
positive people who don't
correctly follow their medical
regimen, there's always somebody
who doesn't, and wouldn't that
raise the possibility of their
infecting someone else?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Oct 11 11:30:22 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for tb!

yay tb!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

stakes 'r us - making money selling pointy sticks

during the run of btvs/angel, which vampire was the most deadly?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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white wings says:
(Wed Oct 11 04:40:56 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Hollyn!

Happy Birthday belmont, Dax, Destiny, Megdalen, and Miss Edith!

Fall elm is of the devil.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 11 03:38:14 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

True. Really big gap. As I remember almost all of the stories of Jesus' youth
are from non-canonical sources. Excepting his birth, the canonical gospels
focus exclusively on his ministry which lasted around three years.

WG



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Maverick says:
(Wed Oct 11 03:21:55 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Truvia Girl: Stevia.


Okay, I stand corrected. I thought I read that Gov. Moonbeam of California signed a bill into law that would make it okay for an HIV-positive person to donate blood to a bloodbank, etc., also that it would be okay for an HIV-positive person to have sex with an HIV-negative person without warning him/her. So, I looked it up and no, that is not true. SB239, signed by Brown on Oct 6th, reduces the penalty for a person with HIV (from not informing a HIV-negative person before having sex with him/her) from a felony (two to six years in prison) down to a misdemeanor (up to six months in prison.) Likewise with knowingly donating HIV-positive blood to a bloodbank, the penalty is now reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor. [sarc]Well, whew!, I feel much better now, knowing this.[/sarc] Thankfully a lot of bloodbanks DO test blood for HIV (but not all do so.)


Maverick


Taxi Driver




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 02:25:39 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I would ask Jesus about his teenage years. There is a pretty big gap of time from when he was a child to the time he started his preaching.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 11 02:14:55 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Storytelling can be a wonderful way to teach. I just suspect we've so far
removed from Jesus' time that we understand him through a glass darkly. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 02:09:52 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That sounds like a really good setup for a joke. Jesus would be great to meet, but I would suspect he would talk in parables. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 11 01:01:28 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I would add another desire to my meeting - not immediately knowing the person
was Jesus. A fisherman, a tax collector, and a carpenter walked into a tavern.
*g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 11 00:52:16 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the dead person Buffy conversed with in Conversations with Dead People?
Answer: Holden

Trivia master: wolfguard!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 11 00:43:06 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 11 00:43:36 2017
wolfguard I would pick Benjamin Franklin, just to be in that his presence. Such a fascinating fellow and I could probably talk about any number of things.

Otherwise, I'm not sure who else I would talk to, maybe Nefetiti, just to see her in person and ask about the status of women.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 10 20:55:10 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Oct 10 22:55:02 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Jesus

ETA While we're discussing impossible interviews, I'd want to be fluent in
Aramaic. It'd also be neat if I copies of the New Testament in ancient Greek,
Latin, and English (and be fluent in ancient Greek and Latin).


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Oct 10 19:34:06 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe wolfguard There are so many, really, but my go-to answer for that, since I was in my late 20s so quite long time now, has been President Lincoln.

"Sir, I have to be leaving soon, and I know you've asked m not to t ell you about the future, but I have to say, a lot of your plans won't work out and things will be very hard for a very long time."

"Oh, shucks, son, I already *know* that. Only a durn fool really expects everything to go how he planned it."



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 10 17:44:04 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard If there was an individual (no longer living) you would love to talk to, who would it be?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 10 16:20:37 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Holden Webster

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Oct 10 14:52:35 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the dead person Buffy conversed with in Conversations with Dead People?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Oct 10 13:18:53 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, October 10th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


belmont
Dax
Destiny
Megdalen
Miss Edith

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to belmont, Dax, Destiny, Megdalen, Miss Edith!



Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ***! Xander, 'Graduation Day (2)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Christopher Marlowe's Robot says:
(Tue Oct 10 13:09:48 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay hollyn!


deadguy qod

I think they would reunite somewhere sunny, maybe that Fabulous Sunnydale beach!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Oct 10 13:09:08 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: I've had my card number stolen twice. Once for a credit card and once for a debit, which was scarier.

But the bank and credit card company were both really cool with it. They cancelled all the charges and re-issued a new card no questions asked.

And in both cases, the company called me and notified me before I even noticed anything. You know, the "did you make this payment?" kind of thing. They can kind of tell when it's not you.

With my credit card, it was obvious though. There were numerous charges in Rotterdam and London for "massage parlors", and also charges for some computer parts in a London store, all within a few days. Umm...Yeah, my bank knows I'm a working stiff and don't routinely wander around europe visiting various bordellos. :-)

Anyway, the banks and such are used to dealing with this kind of thing, I think you'll be okay.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Oct 10 11:33:56 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for hollyn

yay hollyn!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale high reunion - we are the survivors

when the scoobies reunite, where do they do it?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 10 04:59:34 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Oct 10 05:01:57 2017
wolfguard I learned a new term from the internet today.

Shroedinger's Douchebag. When someone posts something that could be potentially offense, and based upon reaction, calls it a straight story or satire.

ETA

What about that book, Mediations on Violence?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 10 02:46:02 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
"thank God for confirmation bias, otherwise we'd never know when
correlation is causation.
"

Pascal-Emmanuel Goby


*g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Oct 10 02:09:05 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

It's a collection of academic articles discussing and debating ancient
states. Most of the articles are written from an archaeologist's point of
view. One of the authors, possibly one of the editors in the intro,
questions the use of 'systems models' for understanding early states.
1 I raised an eyebrow, because a systems perspective or model is
relatively generic. Reading on it appeared they viewed a "systems model" as
being one that dealt with control or had a controlling function. As I
recall the author believe a focus on control discounted social and cultural
factors.2

Two of the chapters that lead me to buy the book was one on the Indus
Valley civilizations and another which looked at how big buildings appeared
to be designed. The latter included a number of diagrams. These can be
useful if one is creating a fictional castle or the like.

1 Anthropology / Archaeology often distinguishes between
'pristine' states and "secondary" states, where 'pristine' denotes no state
before and 'secondary' states evolve with knowledge or interaction with an
earlier state. "Ancient", "Archaic", and "Early" seem to be synonyms.

2 There's another anthology in which an archaeologist, Wright,
uses system models as working models for developing hypotheses which he
then test in the field (flow-chart models).


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Oct 10 01:49:12 2017 216.71.38.84) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard

Archaic states looks like it covers
history from a interesting angle.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 9 23:54:24 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Much to ponder there.

Luscher


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 9 23:38:58 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO I did know about the color seasons, but I didnt' immediately connect it to the deadguy qod!


Your Color Season



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Oct 9 23:33:32 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Funny Stuff
Question: What did comedian Phillis Diller call her husband in her routines?
Answer: Fang

Trivia Fangorians: OldManFan!
Trivial FangLess: Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 9 22:45:56 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,


Seriously? My ignorance astounds me. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 9 22:15:26 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper It's entirely possible, but I don't know for sure. I'll keep monitoring it every day to see if the problem gets fixed. I do have an account at another bank, I use that for savings and I can dip into that if necessary until payday Friday.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 9 20:37:26 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Do you think it had to do with the Equifax thing?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Oct 9 20:36:11 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I think that is a fashion and cosmetics schema not a personality schema.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 9 18:43:34 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Belated Yay Monique!

Belated Yay Genrefan!!

Belated Yay Kessie!



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question[/b]

Divide the scoobies into spring, summer, fall, and winter people?

I'm not familiar with the use of this personality schema. I do know Buffy is a slayer for all seasons. *g*


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

When the chumash priest turned into a bear, he was still a priest, but how does the slayer stack up to wild animals? or is it even an issue?

Ext. Woods - Daybreak

Buffy wakes suddenly, but without motion, her eyes darting towards what her ears heard. Riley wakes and begins to move, but is stilled by Buffy's touch. Distant voices roll up the mountain. A swaying motion weaving between the downhill trees. Buffy slips the rope from her wrist. She rolls up on the balls of her feet as a large orange bronze lizard breaks from the trees then pauses, tongue tasting the air. It's ten feet of Komodo dragon.

Riley presses Buffy to the right as he comes to his feet and glides to the left. Without words, they separate. The dragons head sways back and forth, then without warning, it darts forward stopping before Buffy, hissing, jaws moving.

Buffy front snap kicks the dragons nose stunning it. She leaps into the air and with a half twist lands astride the dragons back where she slips a choke hold on the beast. With her grasp, the dragon blurs into shimmies and shakes trying to rid itself of her. Then shes tossed, bouncing and rolling away.

Riley has taken his climbing rope and fashioned a loop.

Riley: Heyyy chitta chitta.

The dragon swings back towards him and he flips the loop over its head. It rushes him, but Buffy leaps and grabs its tail and hauls back. Keeping a pull on the rope, Riley shuffles back and ties-it off to a tree, then runs to Buffy.

Buffy: (still wrestling against the dragon) It's in the pack! It's in the pack.!

Riley takes out her rope and tries to tie off the lizards leg, but it's too fast and the claws are sharp.

Riley: Can you hold it stiller?

The lizard is beginning to really work its tail.

Buffy: No I can't.

And then she's tossed and Riley with her. The Komodo pivots around, but is still leashed to the tree. Riley recovers and flips another loop over the lizard's head.

Buffy: Really necessary?

Riley: Two better than one. Don't want it breaking loose and chasing us.

Riley ties off the rope to another tree. Excited voices can be heard moving up the slope.

Buffy: Especially since his owner is coming and we should speak to them about the leash laws.

Riley: Run now. Retort later.


From Mad Vamps and Englishmen



WG



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Oct 9 18:38:31 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Fang. A very appropriate question (or, at least, answer) for a Buffy board.

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Oct 9 18:18:39 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Your question on weekend reading, absolutely. Where should I start? *g*

Health Care Choices, Georgiu

Believing Brain, Shermer

After Tamerlane, Darwin

Meditations on Violence, Miller

Archaic States, edited by Feinman & Marcus

Current issue of Proceedings and last week's issue of The Economist


Note: I did not read all of these books in their entirety. I read portions I needed or drew my attention.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 9 17:59:35 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Not quite!

I had some unauthorized charges appear on my account, so my week is not off to a good start. I reported it immediately and thankfully, nothing bounced. No bills are due until next week and payday is Friday.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 9 16:48:52 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Mr. Diller?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Oct 9 15:07:42 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Funny Stuff
Question: What did comedian Phillis Diller call her husband in her routines?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Oct 9 13:48:08 2017 165.225.38.68) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: I'm getting my free flu shot on Thursday here at the office. Nice timing, since for all I know I may have already had the flu for this year. :-)

I didn't get flu shots for a long time, even though I was supposed to because I have asthma. I get them now though, because they are free with my insurance and my asthma doctors are going to badger me and make me get them anyway. :-)

I doubt how much good they do, but I figure it's cheap, if unreliable, insurance.

Just for the record, I'm not an anti vaxxer or anything, I understand how vaccines work.

But flu shots, as everybody knows now, are a gamble. Sometimes they get the right bug for the season, more often times not so much.

It's a shot in the dark, if you will.

*rimshot*

PS - I've heard it said many times that even if they don't get the right bug in the vaccine, it still helps somewhat and the flu will have less of an effect on you if you contract it. But the skeptic in me says this is a just a bromide doctors spread around to keep the public, who now know the hit or miss nature of the vaccine, from avoiding the shots.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Oct 9 13:15:04 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, October 9th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


AnGel X
emjas_C
Eric
Evanfreed
Sian B
Yummy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to AnGel X, emjas_C, c, Evanfreed, Sian B, Yummy!



Ben: I didn't ask for any of this. I just want to be normal. Gronx: I wanted to be an underwear model. We play the hand we're dealt. 'Spiral''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Oct 9 11:35:09 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kronos!

yay kronos!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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white wings says:
(Mon Oct 9 03:22:26 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Thanks for the link. I heard the bird sounds I was thinking of in the background, but it wasn't any of the owls. I guess we do have crows around here.

lostinamerica - I hope the rebuilt area in Nashville survives, but it will probably flood again at some point, unless they worked miracles with drainage. Much as I hate stairs these days, I have to admit that the elevated houses seem to have great virtue in floods. Sadly, we saw many in Rockport and Port Aransas where the platform was standing firm, and the structure on top was matchsticks. Hours and hours of those high winds requires a different building code.

Comma - My parents built a house such as yours years ago in Pittsburgh. Looking out into the upper stories of the forest was magical. I loved that house. I remember birds, but not owls. We did watch a raccoon family for a while. That albino owl must have been really eerie.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 9 02:31:14 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Did you read anythink that made you stop and think this weekend?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Oct 9 01:43:17 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard That I know.



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Comma says:
(Mon Oct 9 01:38:06 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Our house, in Tennessee, is built on a hill. While the front looks like a single story, the back of the house is two stories high. The rear upstairs windows start at 12 feet off the ground. No matter what upper window one looks out of, there are tree limbs. The first fall, that we lived here, our daughter ran into our bedroom and said someone was in the tree outside her window. That someone was a Great Horned Owl. What made it scary, it was an albino female with red eyes. Over the next few years, once or twice a year, we would see her sitting in the same tree. Sometimes she was alone. On other nights, there would be up too 10 other owls with her. They seemed to always fly in on a very cool and foggy night. I have not seen any of the owls in years.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Oct 8 23:32:21 2017 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Sampler of Owl Calls!


Christopher Marlowe,

Being a Muslim is not based on skin color, but on creed.

Malcom X after returning from Mecca



WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Oct 8 22:50:15 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Nashville started doing that after the 2010 flood, buying up
some of the flooded properties, but I don't know what became of it--there was
talk of making these areas parks. Apparently they're doing it again, after
remnants of Hurricane Harvey dumped several inches of rain in 24 hours in some
areas. There's something to be said for not rebuilding in a flood plain :)

One of the areas rebuilt after the 2010 flood, the Nations, is very hot now, as
it is near downtown and filled with new, smaller homes :)



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white wings says:
(Sun Oct 8 18:40:52 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Oct 8 19:39:39 2017
Christopher Marlowe - That parade sounds like a lot of fun.

lostinamerica - Owls seem to have a very mixed reputation. After I saw one landing
on something in my yard one afternoon, I went googling for daytime owls and found myself in an
explanation of how it was very bad luck to see one by day. This was followed immediately with a
paragraph about how it was very good luck. *g* I haven't heard an owl that I know of, although the
other evening I was out walking and heard something sort of harsh and screechy that made me think
"crow", only I don't think we have crows here. Maybe that was an owl? I don't know what kinds
I'm seeing, because mostly I see them at dusk when the only thing I can tell is that they are
definitely owl-shaped, not hawk or buzzard-shaped, and their flight is utterly silent.

My brother is in Houston. I don't hear much from him except that where there were floods, the
cleanup and trash hauling are still going on. However, the local news reports that the inevitable
wrangling about funding between the city and the governor has started up. The city says they have
none, and the governor says he gave them money and they have other funds that they just don't
want to tap. The usual. They have a particular problem in that the area below some dams was
always part of a designed flood plain that had never been used, and not only were people allowed to
build there, they were never required to have flood insurance. High foundations are part of the
current building code, but those places would have had to be up on stilts, which might have been a
dead giveaway about flood potential. Now the city wants to buy out some properties, which seems
to be the only way to prevent rebuilding. They are trying to do that in some areas in Austin, because
the property is known to be flood-prone, and is inexpensive, so that people who can ill-afford to be
flooded out want to take their chances. If you look in Zillow at some of the areas in Houston, a new
key phrase has cropped up in the listings: "Did not flood during Harvey".



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Oct 8 11:44:53 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Have I
mentioned on the board that in
Iran owls are bad luck? I love
hearing them around our house at
night :)


ChristopherMarlowe--Get the
shot--even if you do get the flu
later it won't be as bad!


Agent Cooper--Sorry you had
to go through that, sounds
terrible :(


Beldin--I think I missed
you when you posted last, how are
things? We don't hear about
what's happening in the Houston
area anymore, moved on to other
disasters, unfortunately :(


Happy Belated Birthday
OldManFan!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 8 04:51:14 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Oct 8 04:53:59 2017
white wings The parade went great! It was a Native American Day
parade. A majority of the floats/groups were Native American, of course, but
there were some other organizations, like women's groups, environmental
groups, and local law enforcement.

The parade was in conjunction with the Black Hills Pow Wow at our local event
center, I think it's the biggest Pow Wow in the state.

ETA

Agent Cooper My workplace is offering free flu shots, I'm beginning to
think I might for once in my life, get one.



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white wings says:
(Sun Oct 8 03:45:21 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Oct 8 04:20:58 2017
Comma - Oklahoma City, NYC, Orlando, Paris ... Las Vegas will remember its identity, eventually. First the mourning and the shock, recovery much later.

ETA: We might have to go to "Other things that happen in Vegas stay in Vegas."



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Comma says:
(Sun Oct 8 03:32:33 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Will we ever be able to go back to, 'What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!'?

Comma



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white wings says:
(Sun Oct 8 03:15:34 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Hook 'Em Horns!

Agent Cooper - I'm glad you (apparently) survived the Mongolian Death Flu.

Comma - Easy chairs beat speeches on game nights. Good luck.



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Comma says:
(Sun Oct 8 01:31:50 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
I would love to be sitting in one of my easy chairs watching Alabama play Texas A&M. Instead I am at a black tie dinner checking the game on my cell phone. The ESPN app works!

The speeches have just started. I have a twenty something female sitting beside me. She looked at me, in all serious, and asked if I knew that Columbus was Italian. I told her his real name and why he sailed under the Spanish flag. The way that she is hitting the wine, she will not remember this tomorrow.

Comma



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Agent Cooper says:
(Sun Oct 8 01:03:19 2017 100.4.183.212) [Edit/Delete]
Hoo boy! I just got over the worst Fever/cold/Mongolian Death Flu or whatever it was! Been really sick for 3 days. My boss even took pity on me and sent me home on Thursday cuz I looked so bad. Feeling better today though.

I've told this story here before, but I love sharing it so I'll tell it again:

One day Frank Gorshin was on a break from shooting the Batman TV series. He was out in back of one of the studio buildings having a smoke, wearing his full skin tight green Riddler costume (which he hated.) Some of the studio people happened by, and one of them was a friend of Frank's and recognized him. Without batting an eye, the guy says to Gorshin, "looking for work, Frank?"

:-)



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white wings says:
(Sun Oct 8 00:58:55 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday opy1canoby, NumfarGal, OldManFan, Sarah W, StarMaiden_2002,
and WinterRainMarie!


Jocasta - I remember you as well! Welcome back. Christopher
Marlowe
speaks the truth - things are very slow. But the old place is still
here.

Christopher Marlowe - How was the parade? Was it Columbus Day (or
Indigenous People's Day)?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Oct 8 00:53:02 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]

Paddock, like the majority of mass shooters in this country, was a white American. And that simple fact changes absolutely everything about the way this horrible moment gets discussed in the media and the national discourse: Whiteness, somehow, protects men from being labeled terrorists.


The privilege here is that the ultimate conclusion about shootings committed by people from commonly nonwhite groups often leads to determinations about the corrosive or destructive nature of the group itself. When an individual claiming to be Muslim commits a horrible act, many on the right will tell us Islam is the problem. For centuries, when an act of violence has been committed by an African-American, racist tropes follow and eventually, the criminalization and dehumanization of an entire ethnic group.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 7 23:27:09 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Hi Jocasta I think I remember you! Weekends are super slow on the beta, how are you?



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Jocasta says:
(Sat Oct 7 20:57:21 2017 82.32.130.34) [Edit/Delete]
Hi....



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Oct 7 17:40:11 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday October 7th 2017 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


elf
Kat Beck
MCAT
opy1canoby
NumfarGal
OldManFan
Sarah W
StarMaiden_2002
WinterRain

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to elf, Kat Beck, MCAT
opy1canoby, NumfarGal, OldManFan, Sarah W, StarMaiden_2002
WinterRainMarie!



River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?'Safe'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 7 13:41:34 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
good morning..i'm off to a parade...birthdays later!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 7 04:13:45 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Thank you for mentioning insects. There are very loud crickets outside the building where I live.



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white wings says:
(Sat Oct 7 03:54:49 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - The Okefenokee sounds like some science fiction stories about violent worlds. But then, science fiction writers might have decided that frog eaten by heron eaten by gator eaten by python made a good model. I've heard crickets and frogs and whatnot, but I've never experienced the silence induced by alarming noises. I wish I'd known to try it.

There are owls near me. I don't hear them calling, but I've seen them a few times. Their flight is eerily silent. I'm still wondering if they are responsible for the sudden absence of the skunks that had started wandering my yard at twilight. I can't say that I felt altogether comfortable about the skunks.

Christopher Marlowe - Nothing silences that, for good or for ill. *g*

Comma - I think that Westerners confused the concepts of respect, obedience, and loyalty inculcated by generations of a closed culture in Japan with the European idea of religion. I have no idea how closed North Korean society really is. Even half a century or so isn't the same as centuries, and with modern communications, some outside influences might sneak in. It's possible that trying to open it up might be like trying to reprogram cult members. I don't think that a reunification would be as simple as putting Germany back together, but you never know. Removing the threat of being killed or starved might accelerate matters, and there are families that have members on both sides.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 7 03:45:29 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Not where I live. Still insects at night - and owls. :)

WG



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Comma says:
(Sat Oct 7 03:11:12 2017 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
I once stated on here that there real things worst than anything shown on BBtVS. The shooter, in Vegas, is one of those things.

Looking at North Korea and what it would take to bring the population into the 21st century. If all think that it would be easy, what if I told all that a lot of the young people, in N. Korea, own hats and shirts with Mickey Mouse on them. They believe that, and thank, the Great Leader for inventing Mickey.

While some love to compare the Japanese peoples love of their Emperor, prior to WWII, with the North Koreans love of their Great Leader, that is 100% wrong. Most Japanese had some contact, with persons from the west, or with western culture and ideas, prior to the war years. Most North Koreans have never had with anyone other than another North Korean.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 7 03:08:20 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, wolfguard The only sound at night these days is the twittering of Trump.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 7 03:01:03 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Evening White Wings,

I have a friend who paddled the Okefenokee Swamp. He said is was usually very
quiet, because once any creature made a noise some other creature tried to eat
it. *g* Off that, one of my brothers use to live in golf club community near
the Carolina coast. When visiting I would take my evening stroll along the
fairways.

There was one water hazard that had immense amount of plant growth around it.
From one side you couldn't see the water for the reeds, cattails, what not.
The place was incredibly loud with insects, frogs, and other CON's. Deafening.
But if you clapped your hands - sudden silence. :)

WG



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white wings says:
(Sat Oct 7 02:45:45 2017 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Dianne

Happy Birthday FASTEDDIE, Michael, Orion (Lil Starr3), RTBS, Sebastian,
Thumper, and Wigginsy
!

Christopher Marlowe - Seems like.

Beldin! Good to see you, not that I'm hereabouts too frequently. But
good to see you nevertheless. I believe you were correct in objecting to the
form of expression of TC's sentiments, in the absolute nature of them.
I disagree with TC's sentiments as well, but it's his right to have
them and mine to not.

wolfguard - *waves silently to avoid attracting creatures of the night*
;-)

Comma - Second the sentiments. The concept that the populace would be
disarmed when evildoers are not, and too much of the Federal government is
also
armed is frightening. But perhaps I'm being paranoid. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Oct 7 02:01:15 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Noise attracts creatures of the night.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Oct 7 01:45:13 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
another quiet night?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 6 23:14:22 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 6 20:41:22 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
only a couple more hours until I can go home!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Oct 6 19:47:46 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 6 19:48:40 2017
Comma: I'm also an NRA member. Even Detroit Police Chief James Craig advised getting a gun for protection, as the Police won't be there immediately if really needed. (And, another study I read said that when the police DO show up, 11% of the time they shoot the wrong person.) Here's an amazing article. This lady studied guns and various Lefty gun prohibition proposals and concluded they don't do any good. And this article somehow got published in the Washington Post. Relative to what you were saying, it seems to me that Armed Service Personnel are forbidden from carrying their service weapons on ANY parts of bases (not just in the PX or commissary) as in: the Washington Navy Yard shootings, the Fort Hood shootings, Chattanooga Recruitment Center shootings. This seems bizarrely crazy to me.


Maverick


Dust In The Wind




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Oct 6 19:32:13 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick One of the first times I saw Gorshin perform on a talk show, he actually did an impression of one of those two imitating the other. (Kirk mentioned that he was so glad his own stroke left him able to communicate and move, unlike Burt; he visited his friend a couple times and he went a little crazy wondering if Lancaster's conscious brain function was gone, or if he was suffering from "locked-in syndrome," like a certain French writer.



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comma says:
(Fri Oct 6 14:52:18 2017 168.244.5.58) [Edit/Delete]
As I have posted before, I am a lifetime member of the NRA. Because of my former position with the US military and with three difference Federal agencies, I can legally carry a personal owned firearm in all US states and territories. But even I am bound by certain laws. No one, on a military base, can enter a commissary, unless one is an MP, Federal Investigator, or Federal Marshall on actual duty, with any type of firearm. This even includes authorized patrons who carry a firearm in their civilian jobs. Any other Federal building, where pow's are restricted, I must obey those restrictions. I do not mind certain restrictions on the ownership and the carry of a privately owned weapon. The problem, with those who want to restricted ownership of weapons, they do not want to stop until no one has a weapon for private use. I WILL NOT BE TOLD, BY A POLITICIAN WHO IS PROTECTED BY A BODY GUARD WITH A GUN, THAT I CANNOT HAVE THAT SAME PROTECTION! To me, 'Gun Control is knowing where the bullet is going to hit'.

Comma



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Oct 6 13:21:51 2017 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Dianne!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 6 11:44:31 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
yay dianne!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Oct 6 11:14:18 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dianne!

yay dianne!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 6 03:46:55 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

Deaths from gunshot usually falls into four categories: suicide, accident,
criminal, and justifiable. I believe most deaths by gunshot are suicides.
This may not be so surprising, because I believe more Americans commit
suicide each year than are murdered each year. I'd also not be surprised if
more people were killed by someone they knew than by a stranger - the heat
of passion thing. I also suspect most of the accidental shootings are
probably self-afflicted or caused by someone the victim knew.

So add suicides, accidents, and homicides committed by acquaintances would
lead one to conclude guns in the home are dangerous. In fact, as I recall
homicides by gun and justifiable homicide by gun are the categories with
the smaller numbers.

So if you were told someone had been shot and killed, but not given the
details, then the cause would more likely be an accident or suicide than a
homicide. From this perspective, having a gun in the house can be seen as a
safety hazard. Depends on the people.

TC erred in hyperbole.


WG



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Beldin says:
(Fri Oct 6 03:36:14 2017 135.26.25.47) [Edit/Delete]
In interest of full disclosure, I mistyped below.

I said that I had commented that that incautious use of absolute words was a pet peeve of mine. What I really said, and which is more accurate, was that incautious use of unlimited words was a pet peeve of mine.

I guess "absolute" was a hold over from posting his comment.



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Beldin says:
(Fri Oct 6 03:29:56 2017 135.26.25.47) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 6 03:31:00 2017
Heya, wolfguard. Thanks for that. Two problems occur:unlike the open spaces of the Bronze/Bronze Beta, I feel cabin'd, cribb'd, confined on Fb. No room for real discussion.

Also, this post seems to be based on emotion rather than thought. And I had thought better of TC. But, then the stakes were not as high back in the day.

I will consider how I can work your last thought, at least, in.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 6 03:00:06 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Beldin,

Totally agree with you on the dangers of making statements using the
universal affirmative or negative. *g* That said, I personally know of
several cases where simply presenting a gun caused a would-be attacker to
run. I also know of cases where using a gun drove away the attacker(s). A
recent case in Atlanta was caught on home video cameras and can be found on
Youtube ...

Three men broke down the door of a house and entered with guns drawn. The
woman of the house met them with gunfire. The three ran out the house, one
died from gunshot wounds.

There's another video on Youtube where two home invaders came in the back
sliding glass door, surprising the two women and one man inside. At one
point the man tried to hit on of the gunmen and was pistol-whipped. All
three people were killed.

As I recall, American Rifleman use to have a monthly column of cases
where having or using a gun stopped an attack. I imagine there archives on
line.

Finally - for now - one can compare the number of guns said to be in the US
with the number of homicides that occur by gun in year. I think the news
often reports there's around one gun per person in the US. So that would be
around 300 million +. If only 1 in 10 guns were used to hurt or kill
someone, then we would have 30 million shootings a year. We don't.


WG



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Beldin says:
(Fri Oct 6 02:24:17 2017 135.26.25.47) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 6 02:26:37 2017
Here now.

"Hi, guys. Miss me?" - WSWB

Okay. The Bronzer formally known as Taster's Choice (TC) posted something on Facebook and I called him on it. I guess I am looking for backup/verification.

His post: "This is the Absolute Truth: Guns never make you safer. They always endanger you."

My response: " And, of course, with words like 'absolute' and 'always' you are automatically wrong. Whatever the subject." ETA: I also added that incautious use of absolute words was a pet peeve of mine.


TC was at the Bronze when I got there and I had considered him one of the Bronze thinkers. But this strikes me as less intellectual and more emotional. He didn't consider soldiers in hostile evironments or people of all races, ethnic groups, political affiliations, or genders who take their shotguns or rifles off the racks for various hunting seasons and put them back on the racks when season is ended.

What do you think?

(I don't know why I'm doing this; just wanted to come back, I guess. I have never been one for staying on topic and may abandon this one.)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Oct 6 01:44:47 2017 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Define "go off".

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Oct 6 01:35:17 2017 208.117.98.62) [Edit/Delete]
Wonder which place will go off
first, middle east, north korea or
or Spain?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 5 23:26:51 2017 208.117.98.62) [Edit/Delete]
Anyoneup for Parcheesi?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 5 22:46:49 2017 208.117.98.62) [Edit/Delete]
A little distracted tonight!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Oct 5 22:07:16 2017 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Oct 6 07:13:28 2017
DaddyCatALSO: And Frank Gorshin, whom I once met in downtown Sacramento, played both Kirk and Burt to a T.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Oct 5 16:40:17 2017 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl "Haa-haa-haa." Burt Lancaster. (Kirk Douglas said Burt really did laugh like that.)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Oct 5 16:06:40 2017 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: Who played Elmer Gantry in Elmer Gantry?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Oct 5 12:49:39 2017 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for suzanne!

yay suzanne!


Happy CD Thursday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Oct 5 11:03:54 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday October 5th 2017 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


Seesa

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Seesa!



Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around. Kaylee, 'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Oct 5 03:20:05 2017 64.179.155.24) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I have no doubt they will be continuing to talk to her for some time. If they have confiscated his computer, phone etc. They might be able to learn more from that as well.

I was reading about profiling these types of individuals and usually a motive of some sort would have been uncovered by now.


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