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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 20 02:54:32 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Juneteenth!

Yay aussiebulldog

Happy Birthday Aleris, Angeloosa, Angel's Angelus, Louise, Sir Chris, Talullahdahling, VaedusOne!

Agent Cooper - So far it is called " Pippa Smith: Grown-Up Detective", about a 20something young woman who solves mysteries and has a messy personal life. It's probably about to get a lot messier with Joss in charge. She might get a year before she starts being a "feminist role model". No word of superpowers or corpses drained of blood.

Music problems again?

lostinamerica - Hee! Clearly the fine points of Bondness are lost on me. ;-) I'm sorry about your temperatures. We stayed down in the 80s today, with rain off and on. In fact, right now it is 73. But we did quite a spell flirting with 100s, and may do so again by Friday, so I don't feel guilty.

Dogmeat - *waves*

Trivia Girl - Reporting in from Darkest South Dakota? I'm impressed at your fortitude and dedication. Also grateful.

Christopher Marlowe - The lady who told Buffy about the scythe seemed to be more of a guardian, or maybe a seekrit female version of the Watchers. She was kinda old, more like the guardian in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. But I could be wrong. Buffy might not be the oldest slayer if some of the activated potentials were older, but I believe she was a slayer the longest.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 20 02:03:10 2018 96.2.204.38) [Edit/Delete]
yay aussiebulldog!

deadguy qod

are there slayers older than buffy?

There were that older lady who told Buffy about the scythe, I assume she was either a slayer or potential. Otherwise, I think Buffy is the oldest slayer out there.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 20 00:50:05 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Person,

I earned those points. Research was conducted. *g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 19 22:01:58 2018 96.2.204.38) [Edit/Delete]
Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Person!

thank you! I am in Mitchell South Dakota and I am using the hotel business room computer. I should be able to post stuff normally tomorrow!



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Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Person says:
(Tue Jun 19 20:40:52 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Answer:

Corellia!

Wolfguard, as the only participant with the correct answer (and, in fact, the only participant PERIOD) receives 486 Billion Fake Shemp Trivia Points, a Bronze Beta Fake Shemp Trivia Home Game, and a brand new 2018 Jeep Wrangler, which you can pick up from Trivia Girl when she comes back!*

*All prizes awarded by Fake Shemp Trivia are in fact, as the name implies, fake. No actual compensation, real or otherwise, will be awarded, other than the sense of pride and satisfaction of taking part in a fun and engaging trivia contest. Fake Shemp Trivia is a a subsidiary of Fake Shemp Enterprises Incorporated. No factoids were harmed in the making of this contest. Not valid in Alaska, Hawaii or the Republic of China. Void where prohibited by law.

A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 19 18:54:39 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Year of the Cat. Again.

Maybe if I just lay down quietly and let it play through it will go away...



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 19 17:47:45 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Person,

Corellia


WG



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Fake Shemp Trivia Substitute Person says:
(Tue Jun 19 15:56:00 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Fake Shemp Substitute Trivia Question:
What planet was Han Solo born on?



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Dogmeat says:
(Tue Jun 19 14:37:08 2018 96.239.36.227) [Edit/Delete]
Yay



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 19 14:01:48 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica: If you liked the first Incredibles movie you really should see I2. It was extremely well done. Audience was engaged the whole time. Great flick.

A really nice surprise was a short intro by Craig Nelson, Holly Hunter and Brad Bird, thanking the fans for the support and for coming back after waiting so long for a sequel. It was a heartfelt, genuine gesture of thanks from them. Nice.

I give you one warning, there's an animated short that precedes the film, that will make you cry if you have kids. Seriously. I got very choked up watching it.

BTW I took the bicycle to work today. ...To avoid the helicopters.



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 19 13:27:05 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--I thought the first Incredibles was fantastic, good
to hear the second is just as good :)

We are also in the 100s, much too early for that here but what can you do? My
oldest is currently visiting Oregon and reports it's in the 70s and breezy,
darn--I want everyone to suffer like we are :(


white wings--Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton are just too nice
to
play Bond :)


Yay! Aussiebulldog!


Belated Yay! Holy Water!


Belated Happy Birthday RedCrayon!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 19 12:10:04 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Ha, and there it is. McCabe IS taking the 5th. Knew it. He won't testify without immunity. And nobody is offering immunity. Guilty much?

White Wings: Well, Joss WAS going to do Batgirl. Was. So instead of Buffy he turns to what now? A female detective series?

Sooo...does the female detective have super strength and reflexes? Does she investigate cases of strange deaths? Deaths wherein people are mysteriously drained of blood and then are missing from their own graves a few days later?

Cuz, yeah, I could get behind that.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 19 11:49:18 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for aussiebulldog

yay aussiebulldog!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale retirement center - daylight hours only

are there slayers older than buffy?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 19 10:23:19 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
no trivia for today and maybe tomorrow as I will be out of town!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 19 10:17:18 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, June 19th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Aleris
Angeloosa
Angel's Angelus
Louise
Sir Chris
Talullahdahling
Vaedus

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aleris, Angeloosa, Angel's Angelus
Louise Sir Chris, Talullahdahling, VaedusOne!



This isn't a come-on. I'm in a very serious relationship with a landscape architect.
Oliver, 'City of ..'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 19 04:18:34 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Holy Water

Happy Birthday Buggo, Calen, IrishGirl, Pru, and Wicked One!

Agent Cooper - I fear there will be no Buffy reboot. Did you see that Joss is producing a pilot for some female detective comedy, and possibly the series if the pilot pleases TPTB?

Those wheels are turning slowly, but how fine is the grind?

Christopher Marlowe - Have an uneventful drive and come back to us safely, you hear now?

Ebdim9th - That talking too fast is very traumatic down south. *nods* I don't think I have a southern accent I grew up north of the Mason-Dixon or overseas. Yet sometimes people accuse me of it. But since I'm in the south, it works either way. *g*

wolfguard - It's hard to fault people suffering loss and grief, but one doesn't have to agree with the solutions they come up with. One especially doesn't have to agree with them when they are whipped up by outside forces operating from their own motivations. I don't know why a death from a school shooting should weigh more than being shot in a gang drive-by, hacked to death by MS 13, or being run down by a car driven by a drunk, illegal alien, or terrorist. They are all pretty horrible and the loss is great.

I do share your interpretation of the origin of the Second Amendment. I also prefer that the law-abiding populace not be disarmed and at the mercy of those who are not law-abiding. The suggestion that I should put my safety in the hands of police officers who are ordered to NOT come and help me, and to prevent EMTs from doing the same makes me a trifle insane. Having said that, I don't personally want to be carrying around a handgun. You wouldn't want that either, trust me. But I don't object to people who are competent doing so. I exclude FBI agents who dance with guns in their pockets. Talk about oopsies!

I don't have a good cure for the woes of society, but I don't mind objecting to the ones that seem really bad. *g*



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Ebdim9th says:
(Tue Jun 19 03:36:39 2018 98.90.90.128) [Edit/Delete]
white wings I'm told I do non-southern accents from time to time without meaning to... like talking way too fast for some people, they're not stupid, they just take more time to say what they're saying ....

CM party hearty or do good, or both, for us!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 19 02:06:24 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
agent Cooper Not sure there is any lake big enough around here to do water skiing, do boogie boards count?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 19 01:49:46 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: Who was the 'Meathead' on the All In the FAmily show?
answer: Michael

Trivia Archies: notsoshyGirl
Trivia Bunkers: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 19 01:44:37 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I am finally home...I had a planning meeting tonight and I still have to get prepped for a two day trip tomorrow!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 20:51:07 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Well, now Comey is finally going to be officially investigated. That took forever. They aren't joking about how slow those wheels turn.

Tip of the iceberg, hopefully.

And why is McCabe not taking the fifth? Something is up there. Could be he's going to just spill the beans and throw all his buddies under the bus in the hope of some kind of deal. But I doubt that. Usually you get the deal first, right?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 20:28:03 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Who's going water skiing this summer?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 19:16:06 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
I saw Incredbiles II on Saturday. It was fantastic. I highly recommend you all go out and see it. Today. Right now.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 18:56:29 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
It's almost 100F here in beautiful Upstate NY today!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 17:31:53 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
C'mon Joss, where's that Buffy Reboot?

You know it's time...



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jun 18 14:09:54 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Michael "Meathead" Stivic, played
by Rob Reiner, was Archie Bunker's
son-in-law



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 18 13:07:38 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Edith!!

*rimshot*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 18 12:26:57 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: Who was the 'Meathead' on the All In the FAmily[/8] show?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 18 12:14:53 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, June 18th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Buggo
Calen
IrishGirl
Pru
Wicked One

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buggo, Calen, IrishGirl, Pru, Wicked One!



Uh, are we gonna fight, or is there just gonna be a monster sarcasm rally?
Stoner Vamp, 'The Freshman'''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 18 12:08:44 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay holy water!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jun 18 11:40:02 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for holy water!

yay holy water!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 18 05:48:13 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Belated Yay abt!!

Belated Yay Claris!



White Wings,

While the UK has had strict constraints on firearms, the handgun ban went
into effect after the mass shooting at a primary school in Dunblane,
Scotland in 1996. The shooter killed 16 people, a teacher and 15 kids, ages
5 and 6. The following is a video of some of the survivors speaking to the
students of Parkland HS following the shooting there.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2018/mar/13/message-from-dunblane-
to-parkland-florida-school-shooting-video


Around a month or so later, there was a mass shooting at Port Arthur,
Australia. The shooter killed ~35 people and wounded others. Shortly
thereafter most types of firearms were banned in Australia.


I don't think a single political state has evolved where there were not
contenders to the 'throne'. There have always been great families who have
seen no reason to take a knee to anyone. Whenever someone does get a head-up
on the others that someone eventually tries to limit who can carry weapons.
To me, and to the founding fathers, the reason for the Second Amendment was
to deny the state the right to disarm citizens. I believe you share this
belief. But, most fellow citizens have little learning of political and
constitutional history and have grow accustom to, if not actually demand,
government make the world safe for them. That said, if I were to lose my 4-
year old grand-goddaughter to a shooting I would be destroyed, so I cannot
fault those who have experienced such a loss trying to prevent it from
happening to others.


Anyway, as to the other topics, I see an interesting afternoon of research.
*g*


Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Although we can assume everyone doesn't still live with Buffy, are any of
the scoobies still living together?


Dawn and Xander


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Which of the scoobies has the deepest attachment to their phone?

Dawnie!



Night All

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 18 03:24:39 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Killer indeed. I think you will be too exhausted to be traumatized.

Ebdim9th - There are some people who are hopeless at doing accents (or languages) at will. I'm one of them, so I have a lot of sympathy. I don't know if DB is one as well, or if it was just the time and coaches available. It's possible that he couldn't take anything seriously while he was wearing those wigs. *g* I thought that Glenn Quinn helped him, but as you say, not everyone is the best coach. It was funny that some people kept saying that Glenn Quinn's accent was palpably fake, when he used his native brogue tempered so that US audiences could understand the words. *g*

The NoDoz is a fine idea. I carry it in my purse in case of emergency. I don't respond to a whole one terribly well, so I cut them in half ahead of time.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Mon Jun 18 01:28:18 2018 98.90.90.77) [Edit/Delete]
white wings I think given practice time that a TV schedule doesn't allow for I think he could get his accents down better, he spoke other languages thrown at him pretty well it seemed, again, accents certainly needed work, but I think there are certain coaches that are better than others ... he just needs to find the certain ones ....

CM maybe a little No-doze in the glove compartment just in case....



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 18 01:05:46 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
White wings It will be that killer five hour drive there and back again that has me dreading the trip!



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 18 00:31:30 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday BCangel, BtVS Chick, BuFfy,Carita's Pop, Erestor, Mr. Fred, Fred's Hubby, Pink Power Ranger, and RedCrayon!


lostinamerica - I suppose so. I liked Pierce Brosnan, especially in Remington Steele, but I didn't watch him particularly as Bond.

Ebdim9th - DB could certainly project the appearance and requisite degree of menace, but the accent might be a hurdle. *g*

Comma - "For where e'er you go,
You will always know,
That the caissons go rolling along."

Your observations are comforting.

Christopher Marlowe - *gasp* No net access? We'll hope that you return, unaffected by PTSD from the experience.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 17 22:20:58 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good afternoon!

Just a heads up that I will be out of town Tuesday and Wednesday and may not have net access at all!



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Comma says:
(Sun Jun 17 14:09:58 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning 'Children of the Bronze' and Happy father's Day to all Fathers and those who have assumed the role of the Father.

I have been out in Lawton, OK and Fort Sill, OK, celebrating the 100th Birthday of the 30th Field Artillery Regiment. Great time with old friends and with the active duty soldiers. With todays lean and mean fighting machine Army, troops have to do far more, way sooner, than we ever did. My Army is in good hands.

Comma



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Jun 17 13:16:22 2018 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Jun 17 13:28:42 2018
Where I was with Angel, re-watch-
wise last night:

Buffy: "You and Faith."
Angel: "Oh, it's not what you
think."
Buffy: "You actually think that I
can form a thought right now? -
Giles heard that - that she tried
to kill you."
Angel: "That's true."
Buffy: "So you decided to punish
her with a severe cuddling."

(Oh, and, Angel as James Bond :D
Angel picks up his briefcase: "Good to see you again, Lindsey. - We'll do
this real soon."
Lindsey as Angel walks out: "You know, just when I think I got you figured out,
you show up in a suit." )

ETA again .... Happy Father's Day!! to you all everybody!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 17 12:44:54 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday May 6th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHt (8) Birthdays!


BCangel
BtVS Chick
BuFfy
Carita's Pop
Erestor
Mr. Fred, Fred's Hubby
Pink Power Ranger
RedCrayon

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BCangel, BtVS Chick, BuFfy
Carita's Pop, Erestor, Mr. Fred, Fred's Hubby. Pink Power Ranger
RedCrayon!



Buffy? I like that. That girl's so hot, she's buffy. Forrest, 'The Initiative''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jun 17 10:15:05 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--The fact we
forgot about those two as Bond says
it all, I think ;)


cc Maverick



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Maverick says:
(Sun Jun 17 09:13:53 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica, white wings: Yes, Sean Connery was the ultimate Bond, even with his Scottish accent (and his toupé.) It, in fact, amazed me that they hired Connery to play the part WITH a toupé. Granted it was a good toupé, and early-on I can't remember pictures of Connery without it. I'm trying to recall one continuing U.S. character who was dependent on a hairpiece. Perhaps Robert Duvall was accorded this deference because of his likeability and acting ability. Anyway, Timothy Dalton was sufficiently lethal but Pierce Brosnan just did not have the substantial physicality required for the part. Surprisingly, George Lazenby was fine in the part and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is often considered a great movie. I could have watched Lazenby play Bond again. Daniel Craig still has the role and is making another Bond to be ready in 2019. Who would you nominate as the next Bond after that?


DaddyCatALSO: So, what are the answers? BTW, what's the answer to my Marriage Riddle?


Maverick


On Her Majesty's Secret Service




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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 17 02:45:23 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Big Al, Ted, and Tisiphone!

Christopher Marlowe - It was a good day. It wasn't productive, but it was very relaxing. There might have been some sleeping late involved. *g* And it rained! This is not the time of year when we turn down rain.

lostinamerica, Maverick - We've sort of skipped over Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton. Wasn't there one more as well.

Maverick - I saw that snippet about Hillary and Obama and the email server, but thanks for pointing it out. It's easy to miss these things.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 17 01:58:54 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
I trust everyone had a good day?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Jun 16 20:07:16 2018 216.164.173.90) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Gotcha.

Maverick Well, that's just a
giveaway:-).



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jun 16 14:43:34 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday June 16th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Big Al
Ted
Tom Lenk as Andrew Wells
Tisiphone

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Big Al, Ted, Tom Lenk, Tisiphone!



Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work. Wash, 'Bushwhacked''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jun 16 11:48:54 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick, white wings--Roger
Moore, no, no, NO! Daniel Craig is
hunkier and more menacing but is not
in the least suave or debonair so it
has to be Sean Connery :)



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Maverick says:
(Sat Jun 16 05:49:23 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Don't get lazy on us. You can't rely upon your friend for all information. Learn how to Google and/or search IMDB. The harder the question the better it is--at least that's how things used to work before the Left's pervasive influence. I'll give you a hint on the Tarzan with chest hair: He played Tarzan in 3 movies AND, being a versatile actor, he also later played Sheriff Jackie Gleeson's clueless, deputy son, who was the original intended groom of Sally Field, in the first "Smokey and the Bandit" movie. For the other Tarzan question, I was reminded of this actor as I recently acquired the DVD's of the old "Yancy Derringer" TV series, which I loved as a kid; the Tarzan actor in question also played Derringer.


white wings: I've kind of separated the James Bonds as handsome and potentially cruel (or edgy) VERSUS handsome but lightweight (or not mean enough.) Connery was sufficiently danger-projecting, as is Daniel Craig, whereas Roger Moore was perhaps too amiable.


On the Recent Inspector General's report on James Comey's handling of the investigation of Hillary's violation of the Secrecy Act (by setting up her own Server to bypass the recordkeeping of the normal Secretary of State's office), they will never indict her (as they should) because Obama was also receiving e-mails from her on her rogue server and Obama had his own account AND ALIAS, whereas he claimed he found out about her violation from the newspapers.


Maverick


License To Kill




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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 16 04:59:20 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica - I sometimes go back to The Thin Man. *g*

Maverick - I'm afraid I haven't watched James Bond much recently, so I can't say much about Daniel Craig. I'm sure I've watched other Tarzans, but I grew up with Johnny Weissmuller. He didn't necessarily fit the picture I had from reading the books, but he's the one that comes to mind for TV. And Cheeta. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - I swear I can feel my blood pressure dropping and everything relaxing when I turn onto my street. Home is indeed good.

wolfguard - I don't think Graham (whose name I misspelled, sorry about that) was relating personal experiences with Trump when he spoke of keeping promises, but now that I've reread what I posted, I certainly implied that. Um, sorry about that, too. What I had in my mind was that considering how he'd been roughed up in the primaries, if he could turn around and support Trump, work with him, and proclaim on air that he trusts Trump's intentions, then perhaps his POV is worth considering as having merit. Of course you could consider that instead of "evolving", he just had a brain transplant. *g*

The mid-80s onward was part of my long break with The Economist, which was not based on content, just on the fact that I was often too tired to read it, and got tired for paying for things I wasn't reading. You know the line "It isn't you, it's me". *g* The British had problems with commoners having guns (other than shotguns) even back in the early 60s. If you were of a suitable rank and wealth to be shooting driven birds or go on safaris, it was OK. *g* But the British have gone a bit off the rails that I remember from long ago. Since The Economist reflects that, I moved them into the category of publications that I read with care and without much trust.

Some of the attitudes? Well, wanting to mention Jesus in high school or college addresses. That gets silenced. I wouldn't have a wild desire to do it myself, but I want people to be able to do so. Being pro-life (or anti-abortion). Actually, being pro-abortion should be protected as well (IMO), but recent trends have protected that side more, so I'm not currently worried about them. Believing in the second amendment. Believing that immigration should be legal without being labeled "racist". Dinesh D'Souza was required to see a psychiatrist as part of his sentence for improper campaign contributions? What? His crime was making movies that cast aspersions on Obama or Clinton. For that they attempted re-education. When I hear of secondary schools assisting students to attend gun control (confiscation) rallies, providing time out with no penalties and busses to get there, I get a bit steamed. I don't think that's part of the educator's responsibility on the taxpayer's dime. These same schools have suspended teachers who asked if students could have the same privileges to attend other (pro-life) rallies. I think it happened twice. However provocative (though it shouldn't have been), it's a fair question. I'd have preferred that the teachers had asked about pro-second amendment rallies, to keep it apple to apple, but they didn't, that I can recall. Anyway, that sounds like punishment to me, for expressing the thought.

More chapter and verse? Evil!

I don't have a single source for my examples, and they were off the top of my head, probably because they'd stuck there and wouldn't go away. ;-) You can google "Gibson ebony confiscation" for that one. Look for Lois Lerner/IRS/ Tea Party 401(3)(c) applications. True the Vote was one organization that finally sued. But Lois Lerner of the IRS informed Congress of the slow-walking ahead of an IG report, IRC. I don't have a good google term for the EPA, but you must have read of their strategy of being taken to court by environmentalists? As for the ATF, that was Fast and Furious. Remember the guns sold to the drug cartels, that were NOT tracked, and the whole thing was only discovered when the Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed with one? When it came out, Holder tried to blame the gun shops, who said they had wanted to refuse the sales, but were told to make them by the ATF. Remember the whistleblowers who I think were forced out of the agency? Remember that unlike the earlier Bush operations, the Mexican government was not informed of the alleged operation, and the Mexican government was NOT pleased?

I didn't even bring up the BLM and the Bundys, because while the Bundys certainly seemed to have broken the letter of the law, a jury in Oregon was angry enough (for reasons I never discovered) to find them not guilty when they took over some federal land, and the judge in Nevada was so angry at the prosecutorial misconduct that she threw the feds out of court with a flea in their collective ear.

Have fun researching. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jun 16 02:41:35 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Minor things first. *g*

Thinking on it, believe I came across the TDR material in A History of
the US in Five Crashes
. (financial)

I'm aware of Senator Graham's schizo relationship with Donald Trump. *g* I
cannot associate the advice on "promising" to any particular stage of their
relationship.

I've only been reading Economist since the mid 80's. Often the
writers' appear to express their attitude in their reporting. Unfortunately,
the paper does not use by-lines so I cannot sort out any differences.
1 The paper itself is liberal in the traditional British sense -
individual rights, free markets, and limited government. I would not be
surprised if the editors were all Liberal-Democrats (UK party faring badly).
But they also are contemporary Brits. For instance, they simply cannot
understand American "gun culture". I've also exchanged a letter or two with
the editors over humans in space (given robots, they see little of use for
manned exploration).


Important Stuff, i.e. John 18:38 *g*

1. What are some attitudes that if one disagrees with leads to one being
"penalized"?

2. From your list of examples of civic institutes gone bad, can you cite a
summary source so I can read-in? .... I'm less interested in the conclusions
that tracking back to the original primary sources. This week I started
Saler & Ziegler's UFO Crash at Roswell: genesis of a modern myth. The
authors write of the Roswell story developing through six versions over
time. There appear to be four sources for version 1: (1) newspaper editor,
(2) radio DJ, (3) a well-to-do man who gave talks or speeches, (4) an author
who wrote what may have been the first book on Roswell (and this book may be
'version 1'). The editor and DJ would later say they were just kidding.

There was the Roswell newspaper story reporting the Army had recovered or
captured a flying saucer, but while this is discussed in the book it is not
mentioned in exploring the sources of version 1. I suspect the newspaper
editor and DJ may have been inspired by the article to create their stories.

Anyway, I want to go back to the beginnings. *g* Some analyst said ~ you can
add, subtract, multiply, divide, and take the square roots of your data but
in the end the numbers are what the nightwatchman gave you. *g*


1 The Economist often refers to itself as a paper or
broadsheet rather than a magazine. When reviewing books they will note if an
author works or has worked for the paper.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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white wings Home is a good feeling!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 16 01:48:33 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Everyone has played Tarzan, it's too hard to narrow it down!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jun 15 23:59:37 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jun 16 00:11:04 2018
lostinamerica, white wings: Preferences? Sean Connery as Bond or Daniel Craig? The question may boil down to Hairy chest (hirsute) or Shaven? Sorry if too personal.


Trivia question: Which actor played Tarzan WITH chest hair?


Another Tarzan trivia question: Which actor played Tarzan in one Tarzan movie, and in another Tarzan movie (where someone else played Tarzan) he played Tarzan's chief nemesis? And I probably should ask who played Tarzan in THAT movie?


Maverick


Layla




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 15 23:51:17 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay gypsyrat!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jun 15 23:21:40 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--American soccer isn't boring, it's non-existent--they didn't
qualify for the World Cup this year :(

*Boris, will you stop with 'The Year of the Cat' already, he's on to us!
Yes, yes, I know, it's your favorite song by a capitalist pig, but really, enough
is enough! Go torture someone else with it. . .wait a minute, I know just the
person. . .*



white wings--Sometimes I watch old James Bond movies to revisit the good
old days--shaken, not stirred indeed ;)


Yay! gypsyrat!



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 15 23:15:21 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay gypsyrat!

Happy Birthday Aurora, Aiglos, caryn, english, and satanslittlehelper!

DaddyCatALSO - I don't know about requiring the alias to use only one ISP. Most sites will save IP addresses, but I've always been able to post with the same name from multiple IP addresses. That doesn't mean that a site couldn't make that edit, but I wouldn't expect it unless there were security concerns. My problem was job ethics. I was using state-owned equipment and a state server as the ISP when I was laid up by my snakebite, working from home, and in off hours lurking on the Bronze. The rules of incidental use allowed me to read, but using a state address to post would have been bordering on no-no. The problem was solved when I got my own PC and ISP.

Christopher Marlowe - Even better, you are home on a Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Home!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jun 15 19:26:22 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Interestign that (I assume) WB's Bronze linked alias to server. So did UPN's Threaded and Linear Bronzes; when I left my brother in law's house and started using library computers, I had to switch from daddykat to me current D'CA' moniker. Then, when that site sank under the weight of the chat lice, I found other places, including here.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 15 18:49:23 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Oh geez, here's "Year of the Cat" again. Like clockwork.

I think the Deep State is messing with my youtube settings.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 15 18:31:02 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

White Wings,

Noted your recent post. Should be able to read, ponder, and reply tonight. *g*

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Edited: Fri Jun 15 17:04:13 2018
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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jun 15 14:37:21 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for gypsyrat!

yay gypsyrat!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 15 12:26:19 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, June 15th 2018 C.E.

We have FOVE (5) Birthdays!


Aurora
Aiglos
caryn
english
satanslittlehelper

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aurora, Aiglos, caryn, english, satanslittlehelper
!



Mal: Ready? Zoe: Always. 'Serenity'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 15 02:38:52 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay ergo sum!

Happy Birthday anya eliza@, Luv2Bbit, Manatree, and MAPGirl!

I must celebrate! This is the 19th anniversary of My Snakebite, and of the first time I failed to watch or tape a Buffy rerun, because the hospital network didn't carry the WB. I was annoyed, but there wasn't a whole lot I could do about it. But being hobbled, and also anguished by Angel's leaving Sunnydale, I took the slow work machine and over the long summer I hunted the internet for spoilers and found the Bronze. I had to lurk a long time, because I needed to get my own machine and ISP. *g*

lostinamerica - The hanging chad issue kind of cheesed me off at the time. But now we can confuse ourselves with electronics. *g*

You know, I can recall a time when people were worried over being followed by black squirrels. There was something about window washers, too. How things change! Cc Agent Cooper

Christopher Marlowe - Hush. Don't waken the wolfguard. He might be plotting to make me pay for last night's posting with further compositions. Maybe he's reading the 560 page IG report and won't be able to concentrate on me ... What? I can hope. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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wolfguard Are you hereabouts?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 14 23:57:28 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: What was Floyd the barber's last name on The Andy Griffith Show?
Answer: Lawson

Trivia master: notsoShyGirl
Trivia comedians: Ebdim9th, Maverick



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 14 23:28:31 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
home!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jun 14 22:11:53 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
ElectroKutie: Sorry, I just noticed your post. Interested in what it was like to watch Buffy in RealTime and then comment on it to others on the Buffy Boards (Bronze and BronzeBeta)? Well, there ARE weeksworths of "transcripts" of those postings. Go to my Website and scroll down the page to "Nostalgia." Take that link and you will find many links to original Bronze postings and other associated pages. For the original Bronze, there are at least 2 weeks's worth of continuous postings. It's a real documentation of some of the brightest minds discussing the neatest fictional dramas ever on TV. Check it out. It's very enlightening.


Maverick


Let's Stay Together




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Maverick says:
(Thu Jun 14 21:41:58 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Mayweather.


Birthday Happies to: President of the United States Donald J. Trump
God Bless Him


Maverick


Send Her My Love




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Ebdim9th says:
(Thu Jun 14 21:25:03 2018 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl Pink?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jun 14 20:51:44 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica: Does it matter that I was talking about American soccer, not European soccer?

:-)



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jun 14 19:14:14 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--That last comment about soccer has you back on the top of
the list, tsk, tsk, and so close to falling to the bottom. . .so many friends, so
little time to, uh, visit ;)

*and to think he thought she was sending black helicopters after him, does
anyone even do that anymore, how quaint*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 14 17:06:35 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 14 19:28:59 2018
Trivia Girl As God is my judge, until about 5 minutes ago I honestly thought his last name was Larsen. In my idea for a Mayberry movie starring Nathan as Andy, I figured on Harry a s Floyd, once it was pointed out Sam Anderson would not fit the character.

____________________________________________________________
Kim: (breaks off the kissing) I l... (Sue stops her with a hand)
Sue: We don't talk about things like that right after, you know that, no saying those things in The Moment.
Kim: (moves the hand aside) Screw The Moment. I *love* you.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Jun 14 15:42:37 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Lawson



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jun 14 15:11:20 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
The only sport more boring and repetitive than basketball is soccer. But it's really close.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jun 14 14:24:30 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
ElectroKutie - Oh yes. The show may be over (for now) but the Bronze goes on and on.

Just like Thoin's bar tab...



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jun 14 12:43:56 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings, ElectroKutie--Ah, the good old days :) I have yet to find
another TV show that I followed to the degree I did BTVS and
ATS :(

Yes, we are a dedicated bunch, aren't we? Let's all pat ourselves on the back
*pat, pat*


white wings--No, it was just something that struck me during the 2000
recount--this is dragging on so because people didn't take the time to really
look at the ballot, or make sure they did it correctly? Is it really that hard?

I hope we all learned something, that voting IS a privilege and we need to
treat it as such.


Yay! Ergo Sum!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 14 12:31:18 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: What was Floyd the barber's last name on The Andy Griffith Show?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 14 12:17:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, June 14th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


anya eliz@
Luv2Bbit
Manatree
MAPGirl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to anya eliza@, Luv2Bbit, Manatree, MAPGirl!



Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked. Riley, 'Out of My Mind'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 14 11:56:06 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay ergo sum!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 14 10:51:30 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ergo sum!

yay ergo sum!


Happy CD Thursday!



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 14 05:45:53 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - I'll agree that "... Trump's differing treatments of Trudeau and Kim lies in what's at stake in the two relationships" does agree with that part of my ... I don't know that I'd call it analysis. More facile (I'll readily concede the word here) observations. *g* Was Trudeau reacting to Trump's words at that point? I thought that they'd all more or less agreed to some communique (if not to any joint positions) and then Trudeau waited for Trump to go to a rendezvous of potentially more historic consequence than G7 to start puffing out his chest. Since I wasn't paying too much attention to G7 ( believing that it's just a step along the way), I didn't really see why Trudeau made Trump so angry, but clearly he did. From what Trump tweeted, Trudeau was not particularly difficult face to face.

Lyndsey Graham, who was roughed up by Trump pretty well in the primaries, might be worth listening to in view of his experiences. Basically he's not saying that it's a mistake to not feed Trump's ego, but that it's a serious mistake to promise something and then turn around and deny having done so. dammit, I'll never learn to be concise at this rate.

You quote Bible verses? Jeez. That's mean. There was a day, back when an educated man could read Homer in his native verse and Virgil in his, when one could be expected to have a number of useful bible chapter and verses on hand. Like, you know, Watchers. But please tell me that you googled the phrase to get the "address". Certainly I had to do a reverse google to get the quote from the "address". *g*

I think the list I gave you is not facile, it's obvious for those with eyes to see. It might be insufficient. I will grant that attitudes change, and in some quarters what I call indoctrination is considered normal thought. But not in all quarters. Not in a lot of quarters. And if one disagrees and is penalized for it, then we have indoctrination and re-education and suppression of thought. Those on the left have been fast enough to say so when it was their ox getting gored, but when they are doing it, all one hears are crickets. Which necessary and neutral institutions are being damaged? The IRS, who had to admit that they were slow-walking and stonewalling and making incorrect evidence requests of the 401(3)(c) applications of conservative groups? The DOJ who told a FISA court that a reporter was an enemy agent in order to tap his phones? The EPA who made law by arranging to be sued by environmental groups so they could agree to the settlement? The ATF who told gun stores on the border to sell to obvious bad actors so the guns could be "traced", and then attempted to blame the gun stores? The customs people who raided Gibson Guitars for importing ebony in spite of the originating country saying it was perfectly legal, and not Martin, who imported the exact same wood? *throws nerf ball at wolfguard* wolfguard, I'm 68 years old. I don't want to fear my own government.

Did I stray from the point you were trying to make? I was in the moment. I'm not going back. *g*

As for Matthew, well, in general, he was right. It's not just a two way street - it goes in all directions. It can just be rather difficult to see the flaw in one's own eye. *blink*

I googled the thing about Theodore Roosevelt today. "Don't any of you realize that there's only one life between that madman and the Presidency?" seems to be the full statement, and it was made by Mark Hanna, who apparently engineered the McKinley elections and hoped to succeed him except he died and there was Teddy Roosevelt anyway.

*sigh* I googled union leaders too. The ones that Trump invited did say that they were never invited to the Obama White House. Apparently the visitor logs finally dislodged by Judicial Watch lawsuits revealed that about 7 union leaders and 500 union lobbyists had visited the Obama White House. I might have those numbers off, but that's what I remember. The leaders weren't important. The lobbyists brought the money. *g*

It might have been the hair standing up on my neck, but I remembered The Economist as more than kinda supporting Hillary. But you could well be right. It might have been more Trump-fear driven. *g*

Ebdim9th - Night night, don't let the vampires bite!



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Ebdim9th says:
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Edited: Thu Jun 14 03:34:09 2018
WG ninite, hittin the hay, catchin some z's, seein'ya upon the morrow .... same as before see you and everybody else then..... greetinz abd welcome ElectroKutie!!



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 14 02:21:08 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 14 02:22:42 2018
wolfguard - *shakes in slippers* I fear you
will cause thinking. ;-)

ETA- too late, there will be no mercy, no escape. Sigh.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 14 02:19:31 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

(1) Trudeau vs Kim

Lat night I wrote, "... Trump's differing treatments of Trudeau and Kim lies
in what's at stake in the two relationships." I think this agrees in part
with your analysis. OTOH, I don't think Trudeau has been two-faced, saying
one thing to Trump and the other to his own supporters, so much as he's been
reacting to Trump's word and actions. A few overseas leaders tried playing
to Trump's ego, but have concluded it doesn't have any long reaching
effects. I believe Trudeau may have been one.


(2) Left & Right

Of course promoting and defending an agenda effects each side's actions;
however, many Democrats believe Trump is damaging civic institutions they
see as necessary and neutral for a democracy. I believe Republicans also
value such institutions, but probably don't see them as being threatened by
Trump.

I think the description of the sources of the left's indoctrination is a
facile one. Many on the right need to read or re-read Matt 7:3-5. *g*



(3) A few months ago I read the same or a very similar description of TDR,
but I can't remember where. I believe in the same source it said the party
and/or business interests did not like TDR's performance as governor so
pushed to have him nominated for VP (that'll both defang and get him out of
the way!). Who knew McKinley would be assassinated?


(4) Trump & Union Leaders

A quick search shows Obama did meet with union leaders. For "The Watchdog"
1 Mark Lisheron wrote, ~ Lobbyist for the nation's largest labor
unions have had run of the White House ... ~

1 A 'project' of the Franklin Cetner for Government and Public
Intgerity


(5) The Economist" ~ passionately pushing Hillary

They did endorse her for the presidency, but I remember the cover - a hand
with Hillary's face drawn on two crossed fingers. A writer for "Salon"
headlined an article on it, "Economist kinda endorses Hillary Clinton". The
writer believed their reasoning was similar to yours, their endorsement was
against Trump and your vote was against Clinton.



WG



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Trivia girl says:
(Thu Jun 14 01:40:20 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What kind of demon
possessed Ryan in the episode 'I've
Got You Under My Skin'?
Answer: Ethros

Trivia Master: notsoshygirl
Trivia newbie: Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 14 01:39:01 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Welcome back ElectroKutie!


White Wings,

Composing reply to yours of last night.


WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Jun 14 01:20:47 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Welcome home!

ElectroKutie - Welcome! Your name sounds a little familiar. Is it just Oldtimer's on my part, or have you been here before?

No matter. The original watching was riveting. There was happiness, dread, agony, relief, and grief all very sharp and clear.

For some of us part of the experience was the preparation. For me it was setting up the VCR. Then it was setting up two VCRs. Then when Buffy jumped networks there was the search to get a distant channel off-air and finally breaking down and getting cable. Then it was recording on a media center and burning a DVD, and then it was burning DVDs on the newly purchased DVD recorders. Somewhere in there I was carrying the recordings to a friend who had cut the cord.

Then there was the world of spoilers, and finding the people (online) who stalked the filming with binoculars and various other kinds of equipment, but that accurate information was ended when Tara died and the Kitten board was so offended that they ceased to stalk filming (or posting about it). There were the dedicated people who would stay up all night to catch the wildfeed on their C Band satellite dishes and transcribe episodes, until the networks encrypted the wildfeed, and they started issuing C&D orders about transcripts.

When two episodes were delayed by the network due to the Columbine shooting, a tape tree was formed using tapes from either wildfeeds or Canadian broadcasts. I forget which, maybe it was both, but I wasn't online at that time. The tale was told, however.

For those who were online, and some are still here, there was The Bronze, the real-time or post analysis, and the visits from the writers.

The glory days.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 14 01:18:22 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay abt!

deadguy

I would think everyone will be
living with someone and working
together, but I don't think any
scoobies would be living with
each other.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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finally home!



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ElectroKutie says:
(Wed Jun 13 20:54:00 2018 184.187.144.217) [Edit/Delete]
Wow! I cannot believe this board is still active. I
just popped over from the Buffy subReddit where
I posted a question to veteran fans asking about
what it was like to watch Butty and AtS when it
originally aired. They mentioned the Bronze beta
and here you all are after all these years.
Amazing.



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 13 20:02:21 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay abt!

Happy Birthday Cabin7dad, Hanna, and Shaun!


lostinamerica - Oh, sure, boil all my paragraphs down to one sentence, why don'tcha? I could have done that but I didn't *sulk*. *g*

Well, I finally solved a work problem that had bedeviled me for a week, on my day off to boot, and I'm feeling the glow. I concede your superior composition.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jun 13 18:42:28 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
white wings--Actually, the
moral of the story is pay attention
to the vote you're making :)


Yay! abt!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 13 14:03:12 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Scabies!

Deadguy Wednesday Question: I can't see any of the gang living together at this point. They are all adults with (sort of) lives by now. Although they probably work together and/or see/communicate with one another on a semi-regular basis due to having to run the whole Slayer Incorporated gig. And the shared experience of growing up in Sunnydale probably makes for some pretty lasting ties.



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notsoShyGirl says:
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Trivia Girl
An Ethros demon



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jun 13 13:30:58 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for abt!

yay abt!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale realty - it is a very fluid market

although we can assume everyone doesn't still live with buffy, are any of the scoobies still living together?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 13 12:18:46 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What kind of demon possessed Ryan in the episode 'I've Got You Under My Skin'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jun 13 11:52:07 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, June 13th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


cabin7man
Hanna
Shaun

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cabin7man, Hanna, Shaun!



Anya Christina Emmanuella Jenkins. Twenty years old. Born on the fourth of July and don't think there weren't jokes about that my whole life, mister, 'cause there were. 'Who's our little patriot?' they'd say, when I was younger and therefore smaller and shorter than I am now. Anya, 'Checkpoint'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 13 11:44:42 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning Beta!



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 13 07:13:17 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard - Out of the sleepy shadows, a Thought emerges. Is North Korea the Mouse That
Roared?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 13 06:19:00 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Parthian Glance

White Wings,

Read, but will ponder and reply tomorrow. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Jun 13 05:23:27 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Claris!

Happy Birthday DAISY, Delyn, Digger, faithfulness, leelee, lilyana, Petitechou, and RuthieSW!

Christopher Marlowe - Sorry, I was composing an essay to wolfguard. *g*

lostinamerica, wolfguard - Let us not forget the kerfuffle about "hanging chads" and wanting to figure out what the voters intended from the way the ballot was punched, and the infamous butterfly ballot. I seem to recall speculation that a lot of the voters were of an older generation who would have tended to deliberately push the second hole, which was the libertarian, no matter how much Gore wanted their votes, vs the more entertaining (to me) speculation that the older folks were coached to push in the second hole by the Democrats bussing them to the polls from their assisted living, and the coaches were themselves undone by the butterfly ballot. I think what made the Democrats so angry about the whole thing was that Bush wouldn't listen to their blandishments to "spare the country" and "do the gentlemanly thing", and kept fighting. Not that Gore was prepared to "spare the country" or "do the gentlemanly thing", in the event.

I never saw any hypothetical recounts that came out in Gore's favor, but that could easily have been my choice of reading. I'm not hung up on it. *g*

lostinamerica(2) Justify might not have been ready as a two year old. His development might have been uneven. He changed trainers in there as well. That might have messed up race entries. But really, racing at two is like putting a tween into gymnastics. A lot of things get stressed.

I saw the speculation about the other horse. But it seemed to me that the other horse came up and saved himself by staying just off the lead, ready to try and take it at the end when Justify would presumably be tired. I think it's a common and perfectly valid racing strategy. It's just that Justify didn't tire.

wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe (2) With respect to the differing treatment of Trudeau and Kim, I think you make a mistake only looking at four days in June. Trump never called Trudeau "little rocket man", moved a carrier group to the Canadian coast (unless it happened for R&R or a friendly ceremony), or threatened Canada with his bigger red button. He also never tried to choke Canada with legal sanctions, or casually mentioned to a Canadian ally that he'd fired 59 tomahawk missiles into Syria over chocolate cake. Trudeau, for his part, never fired missiles over Long Island or threatened nuclear war. Instead they are sparring over tariffs and trade, and the negotiations are a long way from over. It may not seem amicable, because neither is currently getting what he wants, but there's no reason why Trump can't give as good as Trudeau is prepared to give in terms of manners. It might be that if Trump had more time as a politician, he would be more tolerant of having Trudeau say one thing to him and then adopt a different tone to his constituents in a press conference. It was clumsy of Trudeau, in this age of the internet, where everyone sees almost everything, and could just be seen as double-dealing all around, but it's what politicians have done.

wolfguard(3) - Yes, the left is as sincere in thinking that Trump will damage their agenda for the country as much as the right knew that Obama (and Hillary) would damage theirs. I don't think either side is wrong about that. How much the country will really be damaged is where I think that things become murky. I don't agree that the politicians, especially on the left, are only doing what their constituents want. Those constituents have been conditioned by educators, barraged by almost all of the media, and had "proper" behavior drummed in by Hollywood and social media. It's not being driven by the constituents. Oh, sure, there's a whole spectrum. There are those who really study and research, and make their own conclusions, and those who drift and skim headlines, and everything in between. It's absolutely the same thing on the right, but the right has less support from the education system, the media, Hollywood, or social media.

The party political machines were confounded in the past as well. I read somewhere that when Teddy Roosevelt was nominated for Vice President, someone said in horror "Do you realize that there's only one life between that madman and the Presidency?" oops. *g* But the country survived. Heck, we got national parks and pack trips from him. Alas, his even more progressive city-dwelling successors want to ban the horsies because they leave tracks and other stuff on the trails and eat the grass.

Trump will occasionally say things that make me flinch, but I'm not certain that he's totally wrong. One might argue that he is incompetent, but one might also argue quite the reverse. He hasn't handled people in the way that they expected to be handled in a political environment. He's after results, not process, which can be quite annoying to bureaucrats. On the other hand, he was elected to get results. And he hasnt always been bad with people. Did you see the union leaders he invited to the White House saying that Obama had never invited them? *g*

Of course I judge the Economist by where I stand, but I started reading it over 50 years ago. I found it quite satisfying and sane. I took a rather long break, and then I found it jarring. OK, I ran head first into articles passionately pushing Hillary for president and arguing that Trump would destroy the economy, the country, and hinting that he'd destroy western civilization. At the time I was for anyone who was Not Hillary, even if it was Trump. *g* But I've been saddened by the British. This was the country of Hyde Park corner, the Magna Carta, and common law. Now they have laws against hate speech which is pretty much defined as anything that offends anyone else. I'd rather allow the KKK to have their ugly little parades than hate speech laws. Come to think of it, we have universities pushing campus regulations against "hate speech". *shiver*

I think I'm getting more verbose, and too tired to filter. But I've composed this, I'll post it. *sigh*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 13 04:08:15 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th,

?

WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Wed Jun 13 03:43:34 2018 174.235.143.202) [Edit/Delete]
Ninite OldManFan CM WG and new Buffy convert Clay Shirkey and you all everybuddy else wot reads this....



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jun 13 02:49:43 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - sorry, just stopping in before bedtime.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 13 02:42:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Oh come on!!! I can't post during the day, and no one appears to be around at night!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jun 13 00:49:12 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
anyone hereabouts?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 12 23:25:35 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who did Buffy have a conversation with in Conversations with Dead People?
Answer: Holden Webster

Trivia Masters: wolfguard, notsoshyGirl!
Trivia Psych-out: Agent Cooper!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 12 21:43:21 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Several news organizations went back later and attempted to
recount the Florida vote--if you did it certain ways, Bush won, other ways,
Gore won. County officials couldn't even deliver all the ballots to be
counted, so even those results were compromised. There was no way to get an
accurate count given the circumstances.

Gore doomed himself by only asking that ballots in certain heavily Democratic
precincts be recounted, bringing up the question of whether some votes were
being given more weight than others and therefore increasing the possibility of
the Supreme Court getting involved. I didn't vote for Gore but certainly would
have accepted the results of a statewide recount. But what really killed him
was that he didn't even carry his home state of Tennessee--if he had, going by
your count, I can't remember what it was, Gore would have been at 271 and not
even have needed Florida.

The moral of the story is: pay attention to the people in your state, you
might need them one day ;)


Agent Cooper--Black helicopter? Were you speeding and narrowly avoided
a speed trap?



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Clay Shirky says:
(Tue Jun 12 18:55:49 2018 138.51.240.214) [Edit/Delete]
Hi conversion



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 12 18:32:52 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

Buffy was talking with The First/Holden! This possibility was missed by so
many fans that a great debate was missed in the fall of 2003. :(

*g*


Lostinamerica,

I believe many Democrats considered Bush illegitmate, because of the US
Supreme Court's decision...

- Without Florida's electoral vote, Bush had 240 votes to Gore's 260. (270
needed to win)

- The difference in the popular vote was just under 2,000. Florida law
required a machine recount which showed the vote even narrower. Gore
demanded a hand recount of some Democrat-heavy counties, but they were not
completed before the legal deadline. Florida's Secretary of State - I
believe a Republican - gave the state to Bush.

- Florida's Supreme Court then stepped in the hand count should continue.

- Bush's team challenged the Florida Supreme Court before the US Supreme
Court which ruled in favor of Bush giving him the electoral votes and the
presidency.

- Since the Supreme Court was perceived as dominated by conservative
justices, some Democrats saw the election as a judicial coup leading them to
seeing Bush as illegitimate.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 12 18:21:42 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Some random dude. It was supposed to be Cassie Newton, and should have been, which would have had much more impact but they couldn't get the actress back to shoot the scene or something.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Jun 12 12:50:58 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Holden Webster, a former classmate
turned vampire.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jun 12 12:29:22 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who did Buffy have a conversation with in Conversations with Dead People?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jun 12 12:14:12 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Lostinamerica: RE popular vote and or stolen election and or russian interference etc ad nauseum: There is no misunderstanding about it. These are purposeful lies. The people propagating these memes know dam' well they are outright lies. There is no misunderstanding invlolved.


Now, can we talk about the black helicopter that followed me to work today?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jun 12 12:01:01 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, June 12th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


DAISY
Delyn
Digger
faithfulness
leelee
lilyana
Petitechou
RuthieSW

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DAISY, Delyn, Digger, faithfulness, leelee, lilyana, Petitechou, RuthieSW!



Gavin, ask yourself this question. What are you more afraid of, a giant murderous demon or me? Lilah, 'Habeas Corpses'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 12 11:46:25 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay claris!

deadguy qod


Hmmmm. I can see Willow, oddly enough, as addicted to her phone. Xander and Buffy I can't see being all that into it. Dawn, of course, would be almost as bad as Willow!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jun 12 11:24:08 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for claris

yay claris!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale wireless - experience complete coverage

which of the scoobies has the deepest attachment to their phone?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jun 12 11:08:23 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard, white wings--Gore won the popular vote in 2000, which led to
Bush's presidency being described as "illegitimate," his first term anyway ;)
Sorry people, we're a republic, not a democracy! I'm so tired of people
misunderstanding this :(


Comma, white wings, ChristopherMarlowe--I can't believe Justify didn't
race last year and then starts as a three-year-old and wins the Triple
Crown :)

I read that some are grumbling another one of trainer Baffert's horses blocked
for Justify but it looks like no one is going to look into it.


Belated Yay! OldManFan!


Happy Belated Birthday Sarah's Carl!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 12 06:26:14 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Wolfram & Hart are, indeed, political players. *g*

President Trump believes personal relationships are a key to getting things
done. He may prefer dealing with authoritarian leaders, because they can be
decisive in ways leaders of democracies often cannot be. Trump's differing
treatments of Trudeau and Kim lies in what's at stake in
the two relationships.


Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Joss tended to allow the scoobies only brief periods of happiness. is
that one of the reasons we kept watching or would the fans have accepted
happier characters?


As I saw it, most fans wanted happier scoobies. Happy scoobies implies no
personal problems, no conflicts. Traditional stories are driven by conflict.
Writers square that circle by having a protagonist solve other people's
problems. So, BtVS episodes would be more like Mission Impossible or
police procedurals. Since some fans identified with the characters, because
they shared similar personal problems, it's likely some fans who wanted
happier characters would in time have lost interest in them.


Night All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 12 05:37:34 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

For the moment, set aside the politicians. Many Democratic and Progressive
voters see President Trump as someone who will damage the country, perhaps
beyond recovery. Now bring back the politicians, the Democrats. Some of them
share this belief, truly do. Some of them may think their constituents fears
overdone; however, many politicians of all stripes believe it's not theirs
to question what their constituents want.1 So if their
constituents despise or fear Trump, then they will cater to where those
feelings direct.

There were Republican and Conservative voters who had similar feelings about
both Clinton and Obama. In the case of the former, the Republicans were able
to at least bring about an impeachment - though not a removal.

Once upon a time political party machines filtered who could have run for
the presidency. Many folks hated the machines, but it usually pushed forward
candidates that had experience in government and politics and records on
which the public could judge them. Even given that, it's not unimaginable
that a person could become president who was either unfit, or more likely
would become unfit2, for the office.

In a Parliamentary system a vote of no confidence could bring the question
of fitness to a vote. Unfortunately (?), we do not have that simple and
direct way. We have the 25th amendment and the process of impeachment.

From the conventional bench, President Trump appears bizarre and arguably
incompetent. From his supporters side, he's cutting the Gordian knot. Often
I find myself annoyed by his antics, but just as often annoyed by some
liberals and some in the media who seem to judge Trump by their own
standards, blind to the fact its their standards the other side often
abhors. I mean, *, if one cannot hold a teacup properly then how can one
manage the affairs of state?

Off the teacup, the Economist often annoys the left. I think you
might be judging it by where you stand on the issues. It's also possible
there are differences with the paper dependent on which department oversaw a
given article.

1 There are few American politicians with Burke's view.

2 e.g. Woodrow Wilson's stroke


WG



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white wings says:
(Tue Jun 12 05:05:04 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Amarra! Also OldManFan!

Happy Birthday Ama, BiteMeGirl, and Mally B!


Christopher Marlowe - It sounds as though the new job stresses are abating.

You know, our allies are our friends, except they don't always like us very much. *g* They can be fairly brusque themselves. They are, for example, more concerned with the feelings of certain mullahs in Iran than with ours. They were certainly not terribly polite to the British when the Brexit vote came in. So I'd say that everyone is practicing "situational courtesies".


wolfguard - It's really too early to make predictions about the upcoming election. There's too much time for world events to change, the economy to change, and dirt to be created or uncovered. So many of 'em will say anything to get elected, and then proceed according to ways of personal gain or ideology kept hidden from sight. Don't you just love Joe Manchin declaring that not only had he supported Trump (except, you know, in the most important votes), but he had applauded him in the State of the Union. Except for when he tried to stand up to applaud, and Schumer shot him a glance and he hastily sat down. That's pathetic. But he's just at the forefront of my mind at the moment. There are others on both sides.

Gerald Ford said that? Well, well. Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose. I think, however, that you may be wrong. I think that members of Congress are totally consumed by what we usually understand "political", namely the demands of party politics as defined by leaders (or in the case of the Republicans, by what various groups or individuals define as "principle"). Or perhaps it would be more generous to say that what Congress believes is the well-being of the country is defined by what various ideologies define as well-being, and that may not be how I define it.

Oh my. Nixon started those programs? I knew about China, but had not paid attention to the others. Your speculation about conservatives may have considerable merit. *g*

Alas, I've given up on the Economist. I remember when they were a bastion of calm consideration. Now they have a distinctly leftist slant every time I am shown one of their articles. But clearly they still have a sense of whimsy in their titles.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jun 12 03:40:01 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Christopher Marlowe,

Noted. Will try to reply in an hour or two. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 12 01:24:08 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Are you around? Given the machinations of W&H, would it be fair to call it a political entity?



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Ebdim9th says:
(Tue Jun 12 01:22:57 2018 174.235.146.90) [Edit/Delete]

Yayy OldManFan!!!

. Yayy for working stiff again CM!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jun 12 01:10:22 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard And what do I see on my TV screen, Kim Jong-un an Trump. He seems to do better with our presumed rivals than our allies.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 11 23:45:51 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay amarra!
Goodbye Blue Monday!


Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: Who was Norma Jeane Baker better known as?
answer: Marilyn Monroe

Trivia Celebrity Stalkers: OldMAnFan
Trivia Noobs: Agent Cooper



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ChristopheMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 11 23:24:02 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
it's nice to be a working stiff again!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 11 20:47:00 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
We're probably not getting a Batgirl movie now, are we?

We can't have nice things.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 11 18:37:57 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jun 11 18:41:05 2018
She Alone

http://www.mindspring.com/~randyhoward/new_page_29.htm

Change is coming

The Bygone Slayers (Sippar & Kish, c. 1500 BCE)

Change is coming.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 11 18:21:04 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

NJB!

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jun 11 16:36:31 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Wasn't she like Batgirl number 4? Or 5 maybe?



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Jun 11 14:35:57 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
trivia Girl - Marilyn Monroe.

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jun 11 14:28:16 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for amarra!

yay amarra!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jun 11 14:00:32 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: Who was Norma Jeane Baker better known as?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jun 11 12:45:34 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, June 11th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Ama
BiteMeGirl
Mally B

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ama, BiteMeGirl, Mally B!



Mal: Hell, this job I would pull for free. Zoe: Can I have your share? Mal: No. Zoe: If you die, can I have your share? Mal: Yes. 'The Train Job'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 11 12:39:21 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta

Yay OldManFan!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jun 11 06:16:24 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Saturday I thought the Democrats had a good chance of winning back the
House, but today I'm thinking the odds have gone down a little. What
happened? I read an article in the New York Times arguing how the
Democrats are or might be blowing it. I'll post excerpts tomorrow.
1

Gerald Ford said the grounds for an impeachment are whatever Congress
feels are the grounds for impeachment. It's more political than legal. I
think it would be a mistake to understand "political" here as we usually
understand it. Here it means, a majority of House members believe the well-
being of the country demands a president's removal. Once impeached, the
Senate decides whether or not they agree with that sentiment.

As to Nixon, I showed a young person of progressive state-of-mind, some of
the programs passed under his administration, She was gobsmacked. *g*

(Consumer Product Safety Commission, OSHA, EPA, wage-and-price controls, an
all volunteer military, the opening to China, and S.A.L.T. - looking at this
list leads me to wonder if it wasn't actually conservatives plotting to oust
Nixon. Seriously, who needs 5 men to bug the DNC? It's as if someone wanted
them to be caught. *g*)

1 The current Economist ran an article on the recent
primaries in California. The subtitle ~ Almost blue it. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Jun 11 05:42:22 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Antipodean, FaithGirl, Flip, Ouroborus, Owen Cameron, and Susie !

wolfguard - The saddest thing is that we aren't discussing whether or not there needs to be some cause for impeachment before we discuss whether or not it could happen, or whether anyone in Congress actually believes in a requirement for there to be some cause for impeachment other than they just want it. On the other hand, it's probably much wiser for us to stick to the mechanics. I guess if prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich, then congress can impeach one. I don't know if sufficient Democrats will be elected to achieve impeachment. I hope not, but that's just me. As for a conviction in the Senate, again, I don't know.

The politics of impeachment have become a downward spiral. The Clinton impeachment seemed to me even at the time to be revenge for the Nixon near-impeachment. The Republicans deeply disliked Obama, but I think that their leadership firmly squelched talk of impeachment in an effort to break that cycle. Clearly it didn't work. Looking back over the past administration, which (in my opinion) succeeded in things that Nixon only dreamed of, I'd say that all the shock over Nixon goings on was probably just so much hooey even back then. Maybe I'm wrong about that we might have been more straight-laced a society in those days. In hindsight, I'd have to say that while Clinton was probably guilty in his career of indictable actions, lying about sexcapades is probably not sufficient cause to overturn an election. I think I'll just go philosophical tonight and reflect that the rain falls on the just and the unjust.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 11 02:54:01 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Camden Toy needs help!

GoFundMe



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Ebdim9th says:
(Mon Jun 11 01:21:42 2018 174.235.128.32) [Edit/Delete]
CM think they had that in mind? Or going in a different direction w it? Say Rocky Horror.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jun 11 00:41:46 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th There was one piece that reminded me of the Rolling Stones lips.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Jun 10 23:56:54 2018 174.235.128.32) [Edit/Delete]
CM did any art catch your eye? Wr have something similar at the Satori Coffee House from time to time, a gallery us set up, live music, make an evening out of it....



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 10 21:32:54 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th I'll add that to the playlist!



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Jun 10 17:53:01 2018 64.28.52.183) [Edit/Delete]
Greetings electronic tiny dancer
CM! How bout an Elton John
theme song for the art party? Well,
belatedly speaking ...



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jun 10 13:48:54 2018 96.3.127.3) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, June 10th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Antipodean
FaithGirl
Flip
Ouroborus
Susie


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Antipodean, FaithGirl, Flip, Ouroborus, Susie!



I may be dead, but I'm still pretty...Buffy, Prophecy Girl.

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 10 12:16:18 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning!!! birthday's later today!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 10 06:25:38 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

If the Democrats win the House, then impeachment becomes plausible. Here are
the numbers needed ...

(1) The House Judiciary Committee drafts the articles of impeachment and
then vote whether to put the article before the entire House. There are 40
people on the committee and it takes a majority - 21 votes - to move the
articles before the House.

(2) The House reviews the articles of impeachment and votes whether or not
to send them to the Senate for trial. A simple majority is all that's
needed, 218 out of 435.

Now there's an impeachment. The Senate acts as the jury. It would take 67
votes to remove a president from office.


After the mid-terms, do you think there'll be 21 Democrats on the Judiciary
committee? Will there be 218 Democrats in the House? If so, there's a fair
chance they will try for an impeachment. If they succeed it's unlikely the
Senate would vote to remove the president. The Republicans weren't able to
remove Clinton. But they will get impeachment. The question is whether it
will have been worth it. What would they have gained? What would they have
lost?


WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Jun 10 04:55:03 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - I'm glad to hear the weekend is going better.

wolfguard - Thank you. That is interesting. Fortunately Lichtman had a fair amount of input to help him tweak the algorithm empirically, but if it were as simple as my statement makes it sound, others could have done it, and apparently he's pretty much alone in that.

I also have to give him credit for facing up to a result that clearly made him rather nauseous.

But then we get to the impeachment predictions and TDS Kool-Aid. I'm sorry, I thought that TDS was better known, but if you don't know it, then clearly I'm still in a more limited group. Your guess was good, but it stands for "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Consider Jimmy Kimmel making fun of Melania's accent, and not in a kind way. You'd think that a liberal intent on inclusion would appreciate the accent of an immigrant whose first language was not English, but is yet fluent. But if the immigrant is married to Donald Trump, suddenly she's stupid because she can't talk right. Or consider the hopeful speculations that Melania was not appearing in public for a few weeks after surgery because Trump had physically abused her. Or one could point to Nancy Pelosi saying that $1K bonuses were crumbs and that lower unemployment figures don't mean much. There's bound to be a line between Democrat party line/(dis)information and TDS, but sometimes it seems almost invisible to me. Perhaps it's just me. *g*

I do not know if Lichtman is listening to left wing media to the extent that he believes impeachment is possible, or if he's speaking of it hoping that left wing media will repeat it and encourage everyone else to believe that it is possible. But since the "Impeeaaach 45" movement began before Trump even took the oath of office, I have to believe that TDS plays a role in there somewhere.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jun 10 01:47:30 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

Lichtman's prediction model was built on his research of presidential
elections going back to at least Lincoln in 1860. He concluded US
presidential elections are referendums on the party holding the White House.
It's not about two candidates, but about prior performance.

From the research he distilled 13 tests of performance.1. Each
"test" is pass/fail, the president/party succeeded or failed on the test.
Consequently, there are 13 performance tests and one ask of each, pass or
fail? If a president passes 8 or more, then party wins (this allows for a
retiring president to hand-off the office to his party's candidate).

Wikipedia has an article on "13 Keys to the White House" and I've just read
the section on "track record". It says the model successfully predicted the
popular vote for all the elections from 1984-2012. It failed in 2000 by
predicting Gore, though it implies Gore got the popular vote (I don't
remember if he did or did not). 2 I know in September 2016,
Lichtman was predicting Trump would win and adding he hope his model was
wrong,

I do not know what the "TDS" (?) stands for in TDS kool-aid. Wait! Possible
epiphany - Trump Denial Syndrome??? *g* I know liberals and progressives who
will not use Trump's name, they say "T" or "45". Silly coots.

Anyway, I respect Lichtman for standing by his model's results, even though
he doesn't like what it tells him. The difference between reasoning and
rationalization is the former follows the evidence to the conclusion while
the latter starts with the conclusion and searches for supporting evidence.

One question is whether Lichtman's desire to see Trump impeached is
affecting his thinking on its likelihood or his own efforts to make it
happen.

1

The 13 tests, called "keys" by Lichtman ...

Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more
seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm
elections.

Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election
campaign.

Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or
exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in
national policy.

Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.

Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.

Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major
failure in foreign or military affairs.

Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major
success in foreign or military affairs.

Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a
national hero.

Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a
national hero.

Courtesy of Wikipedia

(A Note on the Keys: They are each treated as having the same value. For
instance, the foreign policy success = Short Term Economy = Scandal.

Also, in the book Lichtman elaborates what is meant by each key. "Social
Unrest" means bloody riots, war in the streets. "Scandal" means President,
e.g. Clinton and Lewinsky. A policy success or failure is not measured by
what the reader or voter thinks is a success or failure, but whether the
president made it happen.)

2 It talks about Lichtman's efforts to refine the model to
predict electoral college wins. Quick & Dirty Nutshell: A candidate than
gets exactly 8 keys may win the popular vote, but lose the electoral college
vote.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 10 01:24:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Heading out for marshmallows at a Electronic Dance ARt Party!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jun 10 00:24:19 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings The weekend is remarkably better!


Go Horsie!!



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 9 23:12:39 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
I can't believe he held the lead the full mile
and a half, and won just comfortably pulling
ahead of any horse that came close.
Beautiful!



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Comma says:
(Sat Jun 9 22:55:24 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Well we have the 13th Tripe Crown Winner!

Comma



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 9 19:30:16 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Bullseye, HiddenSky, Mirella, Ouroborus, Prophet 6, Sarah's Carl, SpookyMagoo, umbris!

For them as watches, post time at the Belmont Stakes is in about 3 hours, with a chance for a dry track. In Central Texas, it's another slightly cooler day with clouds forming. Not that there will be rain, but clouds are appreciated at this time of year.

lostinamerica - Ah. Yes, quite simple, once you've pointed it out. Thanks! ;-)

Christopher Marlowe - I'm sorry. I hope the rest of the weekend is better.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jun 9 13:54:17 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, June 9th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Bullseye
HiddenSky
Mirella
Ouroborus
Prophet 6
Sarah's Carl
SpookyMagoo
umbris

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bullseye, HiddenSky, Mirella, Ouroborus
Prophet 6, Sarah's Carl, SpookyMagoo, umbris!



ayne: Here's a little concept I been workin' on. Why don't we shoot her first? Wash: It is her turn. 'Serenit''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 9 13:36:02 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
white wings Bad night. Ugh.



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Comma says:
(Sat Jun 9 13:27:16 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: Mine always goes back to a band that I saw in Frankfurt, in 1980, Rivera. They do 'Cherokee People'.

Comma



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jun 9 12:08:08 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Oh, it's
quite simple why your song
rotation is what it is--THEY KNOW
EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU! I wouldn't
worry about it, I mean, what harm
could come of that?

cc white wings


Comma--I know, I thought
the same thing--what is going on
out there? *sigh*

cc ChristopherMarlowe



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white wings says:
(Sat Jun 9 04:49:36 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Eiddileg!

Happy Birthday Ali, Lwing, nevyn, Speaker, Spordelia, and Veradanthi!


wolfguard, Agent Cooper - I did google "Big Cats UK". Also "Bigfoot". I can easily put the black cats down to escapees (or black labs). But remember there was a scare about a tiger or a lion recently (in Scotland?) that had police surrounding a house only to find out that it was a rather large stuffed animal? This is the land of Nessie.

For Bigfoot, well, maybe someone with more money than sense visited North America or the Himalayas, and had a delivery made on a coast not frequented by customs. There is a tradition of smuggling in some parts. And this is the land of Nessie.

Agent Cooper(2) - I don't have a scientific explanation for your musical mystery. I hope it doesn't annoy you. Um, have you inquired of lostinamerica? Just asking.

wolfguard(2) With regard to Alan Lichtman, he does seem to have an excellent feel, system, or data sources for predicting presidential elections. But it would seem on skimming that he has drunk deeply of the TDS Kool-Aid and is trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Impeeeaaaaach 45! *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Slow night or bad?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jun 9 03:24:16 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Oy....whatta night.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Jun 9 01:02:10 2018 68.51.139.52) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: Year of the Cat


Let's Stay Together


I drove from Buffalo to Sacramento way back when (I took my Opel GT on Route 66) and the above two songs were on the radio on every station across the country. I always relate them to my trip.




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 8 22:10:20 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Comma I know there is something of a 'contagion' effect. I wish we knew what was in his mind that night. His loss is felt world-wide.

off for the night



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 8 19:31:21 2018 104.129.194.59) [Edit/Delete]
Okay, this is weird. I listen to music on youtube. If you do this, you know that Youtube works a bit like Pandora, in that once you pick a music video to watch (listen to, really) the software then picks a series of songs in generally the same genre for you after that.

But no matter what song I listen to originally, I always end up at "Year of the Cat" by Al Stewart. Seriously. No matter what I start out with, sooner or later, "Year of the Cat" will show up.

I wait for it now. Like just now when it came on I was like "Yup, THERE it is!"

And I started with "Trapped in the Closet" by R. Kelly. I am not making this up. Sure it took a while, but eventually, somehow, here we are back with Al Stewart.

*cue X-Files theme*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 8 18:53:52 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
"Sugar is now more dangerous than gunpowder." - Yuval Noah Harari, historian.


We need to ban sugar. *g*

Seriously, recall Mayor Bloomberg tried to pass a law or regulation
restricting the size of soda cups that could be sold in NYC, c.2013.


Agent Cooper,

I agree. See www.bfro.net (bigfoot researchers organization). They get reports
from across the US. To me, this tends to weaken the possibility, but *shrug*,
I like the idea there may be mysteries out there. *g*

Oh, I have patch that reads "Reigning Hide & Seek Champion" with silhouette of
sasquatch. Bought it at a gun show. *g*


WG



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Comma says:
(Fri Jun 8 14:45:07 2018 168.244.4.57) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe:

He was found, this morning, in a hotel room in France. I believe he leaves behind at least an 11 year old daughter.

What people need to think about, before they commit this act, that stats show it is more likely that another member of your family will commit suicide. The Hemingway family is a prime example.

Charles



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jun 8 13:34:54 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, June 6th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Ali
Lwing
nevyn
Speaker
Spordelia
Veradanthi


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ali, Lwing, nevyn, Speaker, Spordelia, Veradanthi!



Angel: Will you just shut up for once?! Illyria: What? Angel: My God, the speechifying. Has it ever occurred to you that now might not be the best time for when-we-were-muck stories? 'Time Bomb'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 8 13:18:41 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
yay eiddileg!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

Comma Anthony Bourdain???? For Real?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jun 8 12:50:12 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I've seen reports about the black cats in England. And, more surprisingly, bigfoot as well. I'm generally a skeptic of both, but especially so in the UK. I mean, in sheer land mass, the UK is relatively small as far as unexplored areas. Yes there are some remote spots, but all in all it would be very hard for some unknown cryptid to remain undiscovered there indefinitely.

I tend to lend a bit more credibility to the belief of a giant apelike humanoid living in say, the Pacific Northwest, where there are still vast stretches of deep forest and wilderness that are rarely visited by humans.

I did see a TV show about the black cat phenomenon in England, which contained one account I believe really happened because in this one instance the cat was seen by several credible (IMHO) witnesses. In cases like that, I think it likely that somebody's exotic pet got loose in the woods.

I've seen a couple of videos of the so called "skunk ape" in Florida, that I think are credible as well. They looked alot like orangutans or chimpanzees. Again, probably very real escaped exotic pets.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jun 8 12:50:02 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for eiddileg!

yay eiddileg!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Comma says:
(Fri Jun 8 12:34:45 2018 168.244.5.58) [Edit/Delete]
WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE?!!?

R.I.P. Chef Anthony Bourdain. This is the second reported celebrity suicide, and forth reported death of a celebrity, in less than a week.

Working personal security around the Nashville music scene, I have always known that the best known persons are sometimes the loneliest.

Charles



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 8 06:42:24 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Rory: And this job, Paris, being editor, you don't need this hassle. You're
gonna be a doctor.

Paris: Surgeon.

Rory: And a lawyer.

Paris: Judge.


From Gilmore Girls's sixth season episode, "Friday Nights Alright for
Fighting"


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 8 05:09:14 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
White Wings,

For decades people have reported Big Black Cats roaming the UK. Seriously,
google 'Big Cats UK". *g*

The Wikipedia article on midterm elections doesn't make a prediction, but it
does provide the historical results of midterms going back a century. If I
had nothing more to based a prediction on other than that data-set, I'd bet
the Democrats win additional seats. (OTOH, I just listened to a journalist
or political analyst on the POTUS station who said one would do better not
to predict a "Blue Wave", but a "Blue Ripple". *g*

Also, I have to point out - again - Alan Lichtman's phenomenal success in
predicting presidential elections. He's successfully predicted which party
would win the presidency in every election since ~1984 or 1988. Sometimes
he's done this before anyone had announced they were running. He predicted
Trump would win - and he so disliked Trump that he was saying before the
election that Trump was such an outlier that perhaps his prediction model
was wrong. But it wasn't. *g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Fri Jun 8 04:23:22 2018 70.112.135.184) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Irishrose

Happy Birthday Poetry Angel, Raithen, Red Rose, and slayUslayMe!

DaddyCatALSO - You drove me to google. *g* I knew that an "ounce" was a cat of some kind, but I didn't know how I knew. I have some vague memory of seeing them mentioned in some fiction, possibily SciFi, but I couldn't even remember the story. But now I know that it is a snow leopard. I had to work for that.

wolfguard - Some cynical Wikipedia articles suggested that in North America, "black panthers" that weren't jaguars were likely to be house cats or black labs. That might be experience rather than cynical guessing, though.

Christopher Marlowe - Predicting election outcomes often seems to me like it's predicting the lottery, or wishing reeeely reeeely hard. ;-)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jun 8 01:54:04 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The Wikipedia article on mid-term elections includes historical data from 1910
to 2014. In all but two of the midterms, the president's party lost an average
of 30 seats in the House and 4 seats in the Senate. The two exceptions were
1998 and 2002 (Clinton an Bush the Younger).

Another article said the Democrats need to gain 24 seats to take control of
the House. So, if the Democrats turn out an 'average' performance they've got
a little bit of margin to run the House this coming January.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jun 8 00:41:55 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Any predictions for November? *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 7 22:30:20 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What was Tab Hunter's first number 1 hit?
Answer; Young Love

Trivia Sent back to the minors: Agent Cooper! And Interesting story too!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 7 18:18:03 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

What's your word count on that novel?

To me, the binomial nomenclature system comes across as a variation on "20
Questions". Over time people saw different traits could be used to describe
and distinguish different animals and plants. Eventually someone(s) created
a procedure for categorizing animals and plants using such traits.

Off this, how might the people and cultures of your fictional world have
experienced the living world and how might that have been conceptualized?

An excerpt ...

"...In recent years, certain ethnographers have attempted to focus the
attention of anthropology in general and human ecology in particular on
native views of the environment. Their claim according to Charles Frake, one
of the leaders in the attempt, is that 'an ethnographer ... must also
describe the environment as the people themselves construe it according to
the categories of the ethnoscience'...
"

Catherine S. Fowler in Ecological Anthropology, Donald L. Hardestry,
copyright 1977, p.215

Fowler wrote chapter 12, "Ethnoecology". She list some of the ways
ethnographers might gather such information: drawing tree diagrams, slip
sorting, direct question/response, eliciting folk definitions, key word in
context, natives as eliciters.

She provides a partial table as an example of question/answer used to
compile Northern Paiute taxonomies.

Q - What is everything on or above the eartg?
A - Things we eat
Q - What else
A - Things we hunt
Q - What else
A - Things under water
Q - What else
A - Things that fly
Q - What else
A - That's all

(more follows)



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jun 7 17:09:08 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 7 17:11:06 2018
Agent Cooper wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Comma well, yes, cats are pure carnivores, bears aren't.
"panther" can be used many ways. synonym for leopard, term for black leopard, word for cougar, but except in the c ase of the Florida panther, a specific subspecies, it's not an accepted scientific term, no more than catamount (which can also be used for large bobcats) or painter. Because of the genus name Panthera, I sometimes use "panther" as a generic term covering leopard, tiger, lion, ounce, and jaguar
I get funny about such things, probably because I had a lot of science and nature books as a kid. One day in our reading class a t school, we had a story about a teenage girl swimming a certain distance in one of the Great Lakes. She was a local girl, and I know many folks around the Lakes call lampreys "eels." but it bugged me to read the story a nd see that word.
Binomial nomenclature is a subject that I wonder about for my planned novel *The Animals Of Utopia* The Early Modern Window which allowed contact between their continent and the outside world closed by about 1700, and there was relatively little contact in that final century compared to the one before it. And it's large continent, with four major and two minor land ecosystems, three shoreline and water ecosystems, a nd several islands, some large. But they could never have learned of the Linnaean system, but they have a vigorous natural philosophy with plenty of books about animals and plants. I keep wondering if I should just have them hit upon a binomial system by happy accident, or do I have them use a distinct system but similar in scientific rigor?
Lots of changes. They never went through a railroad and steamship phase, but went directly from human and animal power to off-road vehicles, so they don't have the huge metropolitan cities of the rest of the world. Likewise, their aircraft are not based on a Wright-Curtiss type design, but derive form a design similar to the "Blue Stoose", with U-shaped structures around the props and up-swept wings.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jun 7 15:02:23 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Tab had a big first hit with "Satan Flavored Smoothie", a single from his now classic album "Disco Barn Fire."

BTW, I saw Tab Hunter open for Bomb Cyclone at MSG back in '89. This was the show where Tab, rumored to be very drunk at the time, got into a fist fight onstage with Bomb Cyclone's bass player, Stretch McDoogle, and put his head through a bass drum, ending the concert and his musical career.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jun 7 14:42:00 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What was Tab Hunter's first number 1 hit?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jun 7 13:22:27 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, June 7th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Poetry Angel
Raithen
Red Rose
slayUslayMe

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Poetry Angel, Raithen, Red Rose, slayUslayMe!



Gabriel: Are you trying to destroy this family? Simon: I didn't realize it would be so easy. 'Safe''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Comma says:
(Thu Jun 7 13:08:40 2018 168.244.5.60) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 7 13:09:17 2018
I was looking at my post on the death of the last remaining Munchkin. Saying '124 Little People were used' really does not sound good. I should have stated, '124 Little People acted in'.

As far as a large black cat goes, I would bet that anyone who has met up with one was not worrying about if it were a black Panther or a Black Leopard. I have walked through places where large cats live. I can tell all that I fear a large cat more than a bear.

Rule number 21: When meeting up with a large cat or bear, one must make sure that they can outrun the person with them!

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 7 12:43:19 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
ay irishrose!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jun 7 12:09:18 2018 73.58.128.92) [Edit/Delete]
Comma--Awww, the last
Munchkin :(


Yay! Irishrose!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jun 7 11:18:09 2018 24.3.106.169) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for irishrose!

yay irishrose!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Ebdim9th says:
(Thu Jun 7 03:53:27 2018 174.235.130.12) [Edit/Delete]
Niteynite greetinz to you all everybody! *flies w bedsheet cape to dreamytimeland*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 7 03:43:25 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I haven't given them much thought. I expect folks would find ways to game
them. OTOH, folks already game anything process of consequence, so one would
have to try to balance the pro's and con's.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 7 03:39:18 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I believe there is a movement towards open primaries. I think they could really bring about change. Your thoughts on them?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 7 03:38:20 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 7 03:40:49 2018
Christopher Marlowe,

And that's one reason biologists use the binomial nomenclature. It prevents
mistakes that can be caused by using vernacular. There was herpetologist who
died - I believe on 9/11 - because of a misunderstanding resulting from folks
using the local word for a particular poisonous snake. I'll see if I can find
the story.


ETA "J. Slowinski, 38; Snake Expert Is Bitten, Dies" (headline)


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jun 7 01:42:28 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Po TAY To, Po TAH To.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jun 7 01:37:27 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jun 7 01:42:32 2018
Trivia Girl,

The binomial nomenclature for leopard is Panthera pardus. I'll bet
there's not one for "black panther". *g*

ETA "Panther" appears to be a synonym for one of these big cats, while "black"
is just a color variation.


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jun 6 23:32:04 2018 209.159.255.231) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What animal greeted Gunn in the White Room in the episode 'Home'?
Answer: Black Leopard

Trivia Masters: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Ok, I'll allow it: Agent Cooper


wolfguard My googling was telling me that there really isn't a difference between referring a big cat as a black panther/black leopard.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 6 22:43:00 2018 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Only Trivia Girl has that power.

Copy and paste ...

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/bear-hybrid-photo.html?
source=rss


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 6 20:28:50 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: So what you're really saying here is that my trivia answer is technically correct.

CC Trivia Girl


Hmmm.... A Grolar Bear! I'm totally stealing that for my next D&D campaign. I can't wait to stat one out.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 6 18:28:08 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

I've read 'panther' used for both leopards, jaguars, and cougars. I know both
leopards and jaguars can have black coats, but I've never seen a black cougar.

Laurence C. Smith's The World in 2050 begins with the story of Jim
Martell's hunt for a polar bear in the Canadian Arctic. He shoots what his
guide, an Inuit, identified as a polar bear, but on closer examination looked
a bit odd. It had a flatten face, humped back, and long claws. Its fur was
white, but with splotches of brown including Panda-like brown rings around the
eyes. DNA was collected and analyzed. The bear was a product of a grizzly bear
father and a polar bear mother. The grizzly bear population was expanding
farther north with the warming climate.

WG



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Comma says:
(Wed Jun 6 16:21:22 2018 75.143.154.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 6 16:21:58 2018
R.I.P. Jerry Maren. Mr. Maren was the middle little person in the Lollipop Guild. Of 124 little people used in 'The Wizard of Oz', he was the last remaining Munchkin.

Charles



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Jun 6 15:38:56 2018 165.225.38.71) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick/Wolfguard: Will nobody think of the polar bears!!



Trivia Girl - Hey! Aren't a Panther and Black Leopard the same thing?

I feel like somehow, I'm going to lose points on this. Again.

CC Notsoshygirl

:-P



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jun 6 15:06:15 2018 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jun 6 18:36:06 2018
Drive-By

Maverick,

When we flew back from Anchorage to Seattle I had a window seat on the
east side where I saw glaciers. Some showed evidence of retreat, i.e. there
were scoured valleys ahead of them. Did I automatically assume this was
evidence of global warming? No. I think if a glacier experiences a summer
season where the temperature rises above freezing for a long enough period,
then there'll be some retreat. With the coming of the winter season the
glacier will expand.

The next question is there a net expansion or contraction (retreat)? In
Steward there was a popular glacier locals and tourists could walk to. Over
the past years the hiking trail to the glacier head has had to be extended
several miles. What does that say? This glacier is experiencing a net
contraction.ETA

Now, does one glacier tell the full tale? Probably not, but it's also
unlikely that just one glacier alone would be experiencing a net
contraction, just as it's unlikely if I'm experiencing 80 degrees in
downtown Atlanta that it would be 70 degrees ~ six miles east in Decatur.

ETA I believe the glacier in question is called, "Exit Glacier".
I skimmed the Wikipedia article on it. It says the Glacier retreated ~187
feet between 2013 and 2014. This does not agree with my "several miles"
extension above. A few possibilities for the difference: (1) The person who
told me was wrong, (2) I did not correctly hear, understand, or remember
what was said, (3) a trail is not a glacier, (4) 187 feet was but for one
year and if one added the data over several years the retreat would be
greater. Any, all, or none could apply.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jun 6 14:35:50 2018 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I often use "Charley Tuna" as mildly derogatory nickname when I'm making a somewhat snarky comment.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Jun 6 14:33:08 2018 206.124.19.175) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
A black leopard


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