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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Apr 12 11:51:12 2017 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe I might have that same dream, or was that the $4.50 matinee of *The Monster Squad*? *g Which I own, BTW.
Actually, bringing *Wagon tRain* into "Ice Age Buffy was wolfguard's suggestion. I'm thinking the rift that brings them in heads south, while the rift from *Rawhide* heads north. Wishbone opens The Greasy Spoon, to compete with both the Civic Commissary and Lily and Raj's Gourmet Cafe



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white wings says:
(Wed Apr 12 05:28:17 2017 70.112.135.184)
Yay HumVee!

Happy Birthday chalkdusty, DruBaby, Foot Tapper, Jo-Jo, The Thinker, and Willow 1231

wolfguard - Almost certainly the blade had to be changed. I forget where she said it came from, an art project? I doubt that high schools supplied high enough grade steel to cut through bone without being dulled. *g*

DaddyCatALSO - I have not watched the original movie all the way through. Did Buffy's memory take some liberties in the show? Certainly being on the vamp's shoulders would have placed her in a better position to use the knife.

looks over glasses at Maverick
Maverick - *tch* If the snake had been in the Barn Owl, it would not have been in much of a position to bite me. This was not Hogwarts.

Agent Cooper - I do not like your bug stories. *shiver*

Comma - I once had a coworker who was raised a Texas country gal. She hated rattlesnakes. She told a story of spotting a large rattler in the yard. She grabbed a large caliber revolver and potted the snake a number of times. It kept moving. She reloaded and repeated. It was still moving, so she found a .22 and emptied it. When the menfolk came home they were all gung ho to skin the snake and make a belt. She said they had the funniest looks on their faces when they held up the skin and, well, apparently Thelma was a fair shot and the skin wasn't holding the breeze back. She would have liked your Beehive Artillery round.

But I had another friend who was not fond of killing anything (except roaches). She even tolerated the scorpions because they killed roaches, at least until she stepped on one. But she said that one evening, when they lived way out in the country, they spotted a rattler making its way along the yard fence line. Her husband grabbed something handy, I think the pump gun he kept for the house gun, and he potted the snake, which went flat. He then walked off, and she said the snake raised its head and darted off at high speed. She derived much merriment from the story. I didn't care, as long as I never met the snake, which I did not. *g*

I had several pairs of knee high snakeproof (I hope) chaps after l'affaire de rattlesnake. My father donated them, along with a pair of long handled hoes with edges sharpened on his grinder. I wore the chaps religiously, until the next summer, when it hit 105. After that I stayed on a wide path and looked carefully in the barn. They came into their own when I removed a large climbing rose of an old variety that had 1/2" hooked thorns that had blown down in a high wind. I wore them on my legs and my arms. Unfortunately the canes would whip around as I dragged them off to the dumpster and get my posterior. It was "stride, stride, stride, WHOOP, stride, stride, stride, WHOOP". But my arms and legs were unscathed. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 12 01:56:39 2017 70.198.37.64|96.2.193.66)
Maverick

Nope it a documentary for me
tonight. Zombies later!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Apr 12 01:42:04 2017 69.244.158.94)
Christopher Marlowe: Another "iZombie" night?


Maverick


Superfreak




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 12 01:19:23 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I need to ponder on it for a bit. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 12 00:47:55 2017 96.2.193.66)
Wolfguard

Tell me more about this fictional
world! *G*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 12 00:09:29 2017 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

Okay, I'm going to have to create a fictional world with TV characters. I can
do this. When I was a child, I once dreamed a movie with multiple monsters -
the Mummy, the Creature from the Black Lagoon, Wolfman, etc. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 11 22:38:15 2017 209.159.254.195)
MAverick I will check that movie out. Thanks for the recommendation!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 11 22:29:01 2017 73.58.129.225)
Yay! Humvee!


Happy Birthday Foot Tapper!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Apr 11 22:28:19 2017 69.244.158.94)
white wings: Barn aisle or Barn Owl?


Christopher Marlowe: The curling "men with brooms" to me makes the sport seem very domestic. BTW, there IS a curling movie called "Men With Brooms." Leslie Nielsen's in it. Check it out.


Maverick


Crazy




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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 11 21:38:16 2017 70.198.43.133)
My apologies for not posting the
trivia today!! It's been a weird
day..And it's only going to get
stranger...



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Apr 11 19:19:51 2017 199.127.148.10)
Edited: Tue Apr 11 19:38:11 2017
wolfguard white wings In *Slayer*, Keith Topping uses the exacto blade story to explain a scene in the Original Movie which puzzled him where Swanson is being carried on the shoulders of a vamp footballer, legs around his neck.




Okay, so I've decided, for my Ice Age Buffy setting, to make the "Dale County Republic" (located between Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, both devatstated) one of two sizable (i.e.. a few K) independent human settlements surviving on the West Coast, the other being the "Beverly-Monica Commonwealth." Which leads to a trade system; the Republic has more agricultural, fishing, ranching, and wild game resources, but the Commonwealth is better situated to salvage things (machinery, good quality clothing, minerals & scrap metal, art) which is why Buffy can still slumber in sleep pants and T 10 years after civilization ends (Faith, of course, doesn't need clothes to be the Mistress in the bedroom.)

Now other than Simon and River (alternate 2002 versions) and Priya and Tony from Dollhouse (ditto) the only colonists in the Commonwelath I have in mind are a de-freaked version of the passengers and crew in Gilligan's island (i.e.. a *real* captain, his wife, first mate, farm girl, actress, working millionaire, his wife, a nd a high s chool s cience teacher who's just completed his PhD and is looking for an assistant professorship someplace, instead of mid-60s cartoon characters.) Well, second thoughts maybe Gomer, Duke, SGT Carter and their girlfriends, and the Wagon Train bunch, and Angela and Khalinda might work better in the southern settlement.
So, the question; does Kaylee want to sail south to reconcile with Simon, or does he want to sail north, and will their governments allow it?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 11 18:40:31 2017 71.56.125.67)
Fly-By

On principle *g*


White Wings,

Thank you for the refresher on Buffy's use of the exacto knife. I wonder if she had to change the blade afterwards? *g*


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Apr 11 15:40:15 2017 96.87.54.73)
Edited: Tue Apr 11 15:42:13 2017
Peeks into The Bronze, wondering if Trivia Girl is around.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 11 14:00:38 2017 205.141.67.16)
yay humvee!



deadguy qod

I break out my 'Moonlight Rising' signed tshirt on occasion!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Apr 11 12:15:04 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for humvee

yay humvee!

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which item of buffy memorabilia, if any, do you use most often (hat, shirt, purse, etc.)?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Apr 11 11:48:53 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Tuesday, March 11th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


~chalkdusty~
DruBaby
Foot Tapper
Joel Grey as Doc
Jo-Jo
The Thinker
Willow 1231

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to chalkdusty, DruBaby, Foot Tapper, Joel Grey, Jo-Jo, The Thinker, Willow 1231



Welcome to the Hellmouth petting zoo. Buffy, 'Dead Man's Party'' '''

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 11 03:20:04 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

When people believe a government believes a bank or any company is too big
to fail, then they tend to discount the risk associated with doing business
or investing in the company. Since it's too big to fail, then if there are
any serious problems threatening the company the government will step in and
safe it. This is the "moral hazard" problem. It's especially dangerous when
the company itself believes it doesn't have to be to concerned with its
decisions.

OTOH, in September 2008 many people thought Lehman Brothers was too big to
fail and the US government would save or help save it. The government had
helped save Bear Stearn in March of that year (JP Morgan bought it).
However, the US government feared saving two in a row would lead to people
deciding to continue making risky financial decisions. And so, the
government let Lehman Brothers fail. It's failure lead to the grid-lock of
the international financial system that fall and the beginning of the Great
Recession.

Now this is not to say letting Lehman failed caused the Great Recession,
some other failure would have done it, just this was the actual match.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 11 02:05:27 2017 67.158.25.23)
Wolfguard

I'm not sure what would help the
financial statement, something that
would prevent needing to bail
financial systems out.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 11 01:23:00 2017 67.158.25.23)
Lostinamerica

No crazy pants like those wacky
Norwegians, sadly :(



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 11 01:14:23 2017 73.58.129.225)
ChristopherMarlowe--Darn,
missed the final :(

But did the Canadians have crazy
pants, that's key ;)


Happy Birthday Taster's Choice!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 11 00:59:14 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

The act had disallowed banks from engaging in both commercial banking and
investment banking. Commercial banking takes in deposits and makes loans.
Investment banking provides expertise in how to raise funds for corporations
and the like.

Simply put, Congress did not want banks to be able to invest in projects or
businesses using their customers' deposits. The law was written in the early
30's; however, the world economy changes. The rules of the game set by Bretton-
Woods had fallen apart by the mid-70's. Over time the financial world was de-
regulated. I believe it was during the Clinton administration that Glass-
Stegall was repealed.

I believe the mood exist in Congress to reinstate some form of G/S, but I don't
know how much it will improve the financial system - if it will.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 23:28:44 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard How familiar are you with the Glass-Stegall Act? There is talk of it being brought back.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 10 23:07:46 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Boaty McBoatfaces
Question: On what kind of boat would you find a boom?
Answer: sailboat or yacht.

Trivia Captains: Agent Cooper, wolfguard
Trivia Scallywags: Agent Cooper!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 22:45:52 2017 209.159.254.195)
home after a Manic Monday.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 10 18:57:47 2017 71.56.125.67)
~Snakes on the Bronze

LOL


Trivia Girl,

A sailboat.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 10 16:14:22 2017 199.168.151.175)
Trivia Girl: A warship!
*BOOM*

Usually lots of them!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Apr 10 15:02:24 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
A sailboat Saily McSailboaty?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 10 14:53:34 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Boaty McBoatfaces
Question: On what kind of boat would you find a boom?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 12:59:48 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Monday, April 10th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


ButterflyBuffy
Catherine
Chosen One
erinfairie
SpikeAlike
Taster's Choice
Weeza

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ButterflyBuffy, Catherine, Chosen One, erinfairie, SpikeAlike, Taster's Choice, Weeza!



Zoe: We're getting him back. Jayne: What are we gonna do, clone him?'War Stories'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 12:53:39 2017 209.159.254.195)
lostinamerica Yep, the gold medal match is over and not surprisingly, Canada won. They had the cuter guys. ;)



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Apr 10 12:24:41 2017 73.58.129.225)
Comma--Tastes like chicken ;)


ChristopherMarlowe--Aren't they doing the world championship in curling,
is it finished now?


Happy Birthday Taster's Choice!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 10 12:08:17 2017 199.168.151.175)
Comma: When I was in the AF it wasn't snakes, it was BUGS. I was deployed to Panama during Just Cause, and we had to spend a couple of weeks camping outside in a field surrounded by the jungle. And the BUGS! Just the size of them alone was creepy, even if half of them didn't carry some kind of nasty bite or sting.

We found a 3 foot long long walking stick outside the mess tent once, and the moths were as big as your face. And the cockroaches! Never seen such giant cockroaches in my life. We slept on cots completely enclosed in mosquito netting and it was pretty unsettling to hear the buzzing of God knows what kind of critters trying to get in while you slept.

One day they they moved us out of the tents and into these little portable shelters. Like little four man campers. They were a big improvement, but you still had to shake our your boots and clothes in the morning just in case a spider or scorpion decided to snuggle up in there overnight.

One morning a couple of my squadron mates and I were heading for the new showers they had set up. There was a long line, and we noticed that the old tent showers hadn't been torn down, so we thought, hey, nobody is using those, let's go grab a shower in there. We'll have it all to ourselves!

But we didn't have it all to ourselves. We took five steps in and saw that the walls and ceiling of the tent were COMPLETELY covered in whitish gray SCORPIONS. Never ran out of a tent so fast in my life. That was one of the creepiest things that happened to me.

Even when the invasion was over and I got stationed in Panama permanently and was living in a real dorm, you still had to worry about the bugs. The safety briefing for incoming airman was mostly about the bugs and snakes that could bite and/or sting you. The cockroaches were everywhere, and it wasn't uncommon for one of them to snuggle into bed with you for warmth. And they were always reminding us to shake out your boots and clothes. One female airman in the dorm across from ours forgot this once, and got a nasty bite from a spider hiding in her boot. The bite made her very sick, she was in the infirmary for a week.

Yeah, I was skeeved out the whole time I was down there. I've never had any kind of urge to go anywhere near the equator again. Yeah, the beaches and the ocean are nice. But they don't tell you about the BUGS!



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Comma says:
(Mon Apr 10 10:37:01 2017 75.143.154.113)
'Snakes on the Bronze' would make a bad movie. Then again, 'Big Snake at Sunnydale High' did ok for what it was. Being a southern hunter, plus being stationed in Rattlesnake country during a lot of my military career, I have lots of snake stories. I also love the taste of Rattlesnake meat.

Three of the stories would be, nine foot Rattler in a Lister Bag at Fort Sill, Rattler pined to a board by some of the 4000 steel darts in a Beehive Artillery round, and a pair of knee high snake proof boots with two sets of fang holes in them, That was Dove hunting in Alabama. I have never been bit but came very close a few times.

Comma



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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 10 05:55:33 2017 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - They really were. As were the king snakes. Probably taking a siesta. This young (barely 3', I'd guess) snake thought he'd hang out at the mall in the barn aisle, enjoying the cool concrete on a June day, waiting for lunch to slither by, and I came rushing in. But I surprised him and he bit first and rattled later. It was sort of amusing how the 911 operator kept asking me how I knew it was a rattlesnake. "Triangular head at one end, rattles sticking straight up and rattling at the other" finally got it done.

As for Buffy, The Harvest, in the tunnels with Xander, telling him the ways to kill a vampire, and recounting the football player who pinned her down, and all she had was this little little exacto knife. "You're not loving this story". *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 10 05:36:40 2017 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

Cats sleeping on the job, eh? *g* How did Buffy and the exacto knife story go? Was it a story she told someone, one of the potentials???

WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 10 04:21:43 2017 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday ButterflyBuffy, Catherine, Chosen One, erinfairie, SpikeAlike, Taster's Choice, and Weeza!


wolfguard - Bingo! At least in my case. *g* Mind, that young whippersnapper of a rattlesnake had no business being in the barn. We kept cats and king snakes in there to discourage his ilk. But you know how it is with teenagers - can't tell 'em anything.

My bite was before the Crofab came in. The old stuff was made with horse serum and would occasionally cause anaphylactic shock. They didn't give it unless there was a chance of organ damage, and the venom only went to my upper thigh, so my hospital bill was considerably less. There was a summer of a seeping wound, debridement of same, and a skin graft and other unpleasantness, but I survived.

The snake was never seen again a matter which was the subject of much comment. ;-)

You know Buffy's story about the little, little exacto knife? They may have many uses, but they also come in nasty sterile kits with gloves, scissors, and tweezers.

Ah memories. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 10 03:55:21 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe the man said he touched it or kept touching it.

The way one avoids being bitten by a snake usually involves not threatening it.
Sometimes we accidentally threaten a snake, because we don't realize there's
one near to us. We don't realize it, because we often don't pay enough
attention to our surroundings.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 03:48:45 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard i'm not sure how one would prevent a snakebite. What was the situation on how he got bitten?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 10 01:38:00 2017 4.28.180.2)
Just saw a part of program on snakebites on "The Weather Channel". The anti-
venom is called "Crofab" (trademarked) and cost $6,000 a vial.

The interviewed one man who was bit by a rattlesnake. I did not hear how many
vials were used in treating him, but his hospital bill was ~$153,000 of which
the anti-venom cost was ~$83,000.

Another example of prevention being preferred over the cure.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 10 01:37:16 2017 70.198.36.205)
Anyone herabouts?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 9 22:32:35 2017 209.159.254.195)
A little NASCAR, now a bit of Masters and tonight MOAR Curling!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 9 20:49:00 2017 70.198.56.246)
Wolfguard

Hi and bye!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 9 18:59:27 2017 71.56.125.67)
Fly-By

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 9 15:48:24 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Sunday, April 9th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


ButterflyBuffy
Catherine
Chosen One
erinfairie
SpikeAlike
Taster's Choice
Weeza

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ButterflyBuffy, Catherine, Chosen One, erinfairie, SpikeAlike, Taster's Choice, Weeza!



How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think? Jayne, 'The Message''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 9 15:02:30 2017 209.159.254.195)
Oy...epic night last night, but I'm feeling it this morning!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 9 08:33:45 2017 209.159.254.195)
Hello beta...it's 2:30 am. I think I'll go to bed now.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 8 22:46:12 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard And they are all so pretty! My presence at the beta may be more sporadic than usual...i'm running Disco-themed dance tonight. So I'll be doing the boogie all night long!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 8 19:23:18 2017 71.56.125.67)
Buffy
Xander
Willow
Giles
Dawn
Faith
Tara
Kennedy

Angel
Spike
Cordelia
Gunn
Wesley
Lorne
Fred
Ilyria / Illyria

Jonathan
Andrew



Just checking colors *g*



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Apr 8 13:49:19 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Saturday, April 8th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Emma Caulfield as Anyanka/Anya
MOPS
Roja

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Emma Caulfield, MOPS, Roja!



Jayne: Well... I don't like the idea of someone hearin' what I'm thinkin'. Inara: No one likes the idea of hearing what you're thinking. 'Objects In Space''

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Apr 8 12:28:10 2017 73.58.129.225)
Agent Cooper--Yikes, hope they both continue to heal!


Happy Belated Birthday slayerdaddy!



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Maverick says:
(Sat Apr 8 05:04:47 2017 69.244.158.94)
Christopher Marlowe: You judge other's feelings about gays based on what or how much they are willing to do for them? How about just leaving them alone? Seriously, don't you understand Islam, Shariah, and what they have in store for this country? Doesn't it have any meaning to you that Egypt and Turkey, among other countries in the Middle East, were once Christian? How did they become Muslim you should ask yourself. The Left always seems to want to cozy up to Islam. This is suicidal. For everyone but Muslims. Yes, the Left wants to give gays things; it has always been thus. Until, that is, the Left has irreversible power, and then it's a different story. Can you think? What is the status of LGBT's in Russia? In China? In Cuba? Gays and other outliers, historically, have been embraced and used to gain power (useful idiots, the Marxists call them) and then when the Left takes over and is in charge, they have marginalized gays, etc. At least in the U.S., there has been tolerance--at least until the "demands" begin to get ridiculous. Trump is a Christian; he doesn't want to kill gays. If he's like me, he believes that we should study medically what produces gays and solve this for future generations. It's like diabetes. We're not doing much of this now.


Maverick


You Don't Have to Say You Love Me




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 8 04:18:52 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard Reading and thinking!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 8 02:49:42 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

More content. *g*

Instead of trying to figure out what specific individuals might do, one
might look at the forces and constraints in the region.

I've read three or four short histories of the Mexican Revolution and I
still cannot recite what happen as a narrative. There were too many men
vying for power, real Game of Thrones. That said, we know the country
had changed in ways that many people that mattered believed their interests
were being ignored and too many people that did not matter gave up waiting.
The result was a scramble for power.

Assad is an Alawite, a minority group that ruled Syria. Before the Russians
stepped-in, his group had been trying to hold a couple key cities and the
coastal area. Elsewhere different competing groups held different areas.

Turkey borders Syria to the north. Turkey doesn't want problem groups on its
border, especially Kurds. Iraq doesn't want an ISIS controlling land on its
borders. Russia and Iran want to see Assad or his type stay in control of at
least certain areas of Syria.

So, my prediction is in the end Syria will continue, but with Turkey holding
defacto influence or control along the northern area and perhaps, just
perhaps, Iraq having the same in the east.

If one wants to end the fighting, then a blockage would have to be
established to prevent resources, especially military resources, from
getting in-country. Russia would probably not agree to this, or if it did it
would cheat.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 8 02:20:46 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Towards the end of posting content to the board, here are three models that
have been used to help predict a country's actions.1

1. Rational Actor

The country or leader is considered to be rational.2 It's assumed
the actor can weight the pro's and con's of different means with respect to
their ends and chooses the means that gains the most for the less.

In reality people have finite resources and imperfect information, but they
do the best they can with what they have.

Of course, an analyst faces the same finite resources and information
constraints. Worst, the analyst may not share the same worldview as the
actor which means the analyst will not be "facing" the same decision. One
way to minimize this problem is to understand the actor's worldview. If the
stakes are high enough, one can have have people study the actors of
importance such that they can play them in a simulation (method acting
applied to realpolitik).


2 - Bureaucratic / Bargaining Model

Though we may speak of Russia doing this or Burma doing that, no country is
one person. Consequently any number of people may be involved in a decision
and they may not be in full accordance with what should be done. What to do?
Bargain.


3. - Organization Model

Developed countries are comprised of organizations. Governments have
different organizations tasked to do deal with different areas and
functions. Well-established organizations' see their worlds as comprised, in
part, of specific problems and they have developed a toolbox of programs and
policies for dealing with them. So when a political leader ask Organization
A for possible solutions for this or that problem, the organization is going
to fit the particular situation to their existing problem set and select an
existing tool from the toolbox to deal with it. If you ask Treasury how to
deal with Syria, they will likely not suggest sending in the Marines.


The above models can be used together. Assume every actor is rational, more
or less. They will bargain with each other and will use the views and tools
of their organization.


So for what next in Syria.

1 I first came across them in Graham Allison's Essence of
Decision
where he applied each to a foreign policy event, but they can
be applied to domestic actors.

2 What it means to be 'rational' can be debated. One person has
suggested an actor is rational if they do not make the same mistake twice.
*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 8 02:11:20 2017 70.198.35.56)
Maverick

Trump is no friend to gays. He is
attempting to erase them from
existence. point to me what he has
done for gays other than strip away
any mention of them and any rights?

When he realizes how anti gay many
Muslims are he will welcome thank
into the country.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Apr 8 02:01:33 2017 69.244.158.94)
Joss Whedon has mental meltdown over reality. Makes no sense. Chechnyas want to kill gays because they are Muslims. Trump has tried to keep terrorists from Muslim countries out of the U.S. So Trump is the Polar opposite of someone who wants to hurt gays. Joss evidently fried his brain making "Age of Ultron." If he keeps up with his irrationality, he's going to lose his D.C. Batgirl gig too.


Yay, Gazoo, Yay!


Alert: This is the time of year that Hot Cross Buns are available. Gettest thou one. I love them.


I misspoke, I meant to say I am watching the 5th Season of "Homeland."


Yay, Neil Gorsuch, Yay!


Maverick


Relax




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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 8 01:44:35 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'll have to post the numbers later this weekend.

What happens next in Syria probably depends on how various actors respond to
the missile strikes. Who are some of the actors?

- Assad

- Russia

- Iran

- ISIS

- Al-Qaeda

- All the other groups fighting inside Syria


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 8 01:30:02 2017 70.198.35.202)
Wolfguard

I wonder what our next actions will
be with respect to Syria?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 8 01:06:33 2017 70.198.35.202)
Wolfguard


You said something about posting
numbers?



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 8 00:38:11 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Here now.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 23:50:59 2017 70.198.35.202)
Anyone aroundabouts?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 22:22:51 2017 209.159.254.195)
so warm today, I think it hit he seventies!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 21:47:40 2017 209.159.254.195)
Agent Cooper Glad both your dads are pulling through!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Apr 7 19:05:24 2017 96.87.54.73)
Maverick
Thanks for the yay!

Agent Cooper
Yay for both. I'm glad they're doing OK.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Apr 7 17:41:19 2017 199.168.151.175)
Wow, work is insane busy. My dad's in the hospital. I was pretty sure he wasn't going to make it but now it looks as if he will. And today my wife's dad got into a car accident. He's not hurt thankfully but car in bad shape. Not his fault at least, so he'll get insurance.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Apr 7 13:13:52 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Friday, April 7th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


aglaea
BuffySummers81
Slayerdaddy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to aglaea, BuffySummers81, Slayerdaddy!



Travers: Perhaps you'll favor us with a demonstration while we're here. Buffy: You mean, like, right now? 'Cause, already had my recommended daily dose of fights tonight. 'Checkpoint''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 12:57:38 2017 209.159.254.195)
yay gazoo!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Apr 7 12:24:21 2017 73.58.129.225)
Yay! gazoo!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Apr 7 11:06:26 2017 64.134.98.43)
Edited: Fri Apr 7 11:07:07 2017
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for gazoo!

yay gazoo!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Apr 7 04:28:07 2017 69.244.158.94)

Yay, notsoShyGirl, Yay, You:


Once you successfullly answer the Question, I can feel free to try to produce silly answers, so Thanks, mightily.


Comma: There is an unwritten rule in Britain, that no one believes any governmental rumors until the government issues a Formal Denial. P.S.: The other joke, in keeping with your scenario, is that you can fill up on Chinese, but then an hour later you are hungry again.


Christopher Marlowe: Have you checked your local library for an E.W. with the Buffy reunion pics? I guess I should ask you do you just want to read it or do you want to OWN it?


I have been watching "Homeland" Season 4 DVD's and loving it. Of course, Claire Danes has been a favorite since "My So-Called Life." Rupert Friend as Peter Quinn is also always worth watching.


Maverick


White Wedding




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 02:08:22 2017 70.198.45.58)
That's it for a press conference by
Trump?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 7 01:37:50 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Yes, but not the pizza to the Pentagon indicator. *g*

A few months ago, I got a copy of G. Harry Stine's The Space Enterprise
copyright 1980. I'd read the book back in the early 80s and another of his
books, The Third Industrial Revolution in the late 70's. At the time he
saw an approaching industrial renaissance in space. He made predictions, many
including numbers. One critical number was the cost of putting pound of payload
in orbit.

Given we've not seen the development he predicted, I suspected his numbers were
off, so I wanted to see again what they were and compare them to current
numbers. Stine was way-off. I planned to post some of this later tonight or
tomorrow when I could do proper links, but will post some of the numbers in a
bit.

WG



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Comma says:
(Fri Apr 7 01:26:59 2017 75.143.154.113)
There is a long standing joke, around Washington, that when the Pizza delivery vehicles start delivering to the Pentagon, after 1730hrs, then something is up. I tried to fool everyone by ordering Chinese.

I have been wanting to post that for three hours. I hope to not have to post it very often. Plus I can only eat a certain amount of Chinese delivery food. Maybe I can find a taco delivery?

Comma



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Apr 7 01:10:05 2017 76.120.26.241)
Thanks for the yays Yay of the Day, lostinamerica, Christopher Marlowe and Agent Cooper!


Agent Cooper
Do not...blows a raspberry

Christopher Marlowe
Thanks Twin!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 00:57:03 2017 70.198.45.58)
wolfguard did you learn
anything new today?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 7 00:37:21 2017 209.159.254.195)
I am still hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 6 23:14:51 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydales trivial pursuit

Category: sports
Question: what product was Mean Joe
Greene famous for?
Answer: coke

Trivia Coaches: notsoShyGirl and nOldManFan!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Apr 6 22:27:14 2017 73.58.129.225)
OldManFan--Awww, no more Don
Rickles :(


DaddyCatALSO--That sounds
terrible, must be a great relief!


Happy Birthday seniorslayer!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 21:28:14 2017 209.159.254.195)
OldManFan I knew I was missing something!



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Apr 6 19:59:42 2017 64.134.98.43)
Edited: Thu Apr 6 20:00:14 2017
Trivia Girl - Coca Cola... and, for the record, it's Greene.

OMF



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Apr 6 19:54:37 2017 64.134.98.43)
R.I.P. Don Rickles

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 19:44:11 2017 209.159.254.195)
DaddyCatALSO I'm still trying to find the latest Entertainment Weekly with the Buffy gang on the cover.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Apr 6 19:25:20 2017 199.127.148.4|199.127.148.6)
Picked up Nostalgia Digesta month or so back @ B&N; 2016 was worse than we knew on older actors. Kay Starr Jack "MR Carln" Riley, Hugh O'Brian Anne Jackson, Joe Garagiola Marvin Kaplan Ann Morgan Gilbert Tammy Grimes Gloria DeHaven Fyvush Finkel



Feelign a lot better after getting toa podiatrist. My 2 big toe nails stopped getting longer a couple years ago. Hey, they've always been weird. Couple months back I realized 1- the front part was close to growing down into t he flesh 2- even worse, they had gotten so thick they were causing problems when I wore shoes. Got them trimmed down and felt way better before I even got out of the chair.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 19:15:14 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I think the writer's strike hurt more than it helped.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 6 18:19:04 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Another possible writers' strike ...

Strike? (BBC)

The last time this happened, 2007, I believe it hurt some shows and helped others. For instance, it happened as Chuck was ending its first season. The show was said to be sitting on the cusp between cancellation and renewal. Network execs may have decided to keep it, because of the uncertainty over new offerings in the light of the strike.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 15:51:31 2017 67.158.25.23)
Agent Cooper

Ahem, that is notsocheatingirl to
you buddy!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Apr 6 15:03:30 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
Coca Cola



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 6 14:55:24 2017 70.198.48.105)
Sunnydales trivial pursuit

Category: sports
Question: what product was Mean Joe
Green famous for?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Apr 6 14:15:32 2017 199.168.151.175)
Yay notsoshygirl!

--Although she cheats at trivia. :-P



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Apr 6 12:35:03 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Wednesday April 6th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


borrowed girl
Mencius
Moonbeam
seniorslayer

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to borrowed girl, Mencius, moonbeam, seniorslayer!



Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night. 'Crush''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 12:29:59 2017 209.159.254.195)
yay notsoshygirl!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Apr 6 11:54:22 2017 73.58.129.225)
Yay! notsoShyGirl!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Apr 6 11:51:57 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for notsoshygirl!

yay notsoshygirl!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 6 08:21:54 2017 71.56.125.67)
Yay Holy Water!

Belated Yay Ergo Sum!



Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


If there were a whedonland theme park, would you go?

Sure


Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question[/b]

What or who is your favorite whedonverse demon?

The Kindestod of Killed by Death.

In AtS and later seasons BtVS, the demons behaved much like humans and it took away the mystery and threat. Sharks don't taunt you (till Joss put one in a suit).



Night All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 6 02:47:55 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've heard two explanations coming from Russia. First, Russian jets fired
ordnance at a legitimate target only to discover the Syrian rebels had hidden
chemical weapons there. Second, the Syrian rebels released the gas knowing
Assad and the Russians would be blamed. ~There's a history of them doing this
before major international meetings knowing who'll be (falsely) blamed.

And so it goes.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 02:07:10 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I read about that. The Syrian people have been suffering very badly for a very long time with little end in sight.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 6 01:50:38 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

My father was an avid golfer. He once said something to the affect that proper
golfing technique was unnatural to human movement. *g* If true, then Angel
might be the best golfer of the pack.

President Trump removed Steve Bannon from the National Security Council. Also
said is views on Syria had changed, because of the gas attacks.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 01:43:24 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I wonder who would be a good golfer in the Whedonverse. I'm thinking Angel might be the best.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Apr 6 00:37:31 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard Not so much Trump stuff on my facebook feed today, thank goodness.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 6 00:11:17 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Apr 6 00:13:02 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Mark Twain said, ~ Golf is a good walk ruined spoiled. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 23:49:12 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard You know, we havent' seen the scoobies enjoying a round of golfing. There is that putting place in Ted though.



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YayofTheDay says:
(Wed Apr 5 23:26:59 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What character did David Fury play in 'Smile Time'?
Answer: Framkin

Trivia Directors: notsoShyGirll
Trivia Grips: Agent Cooper!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 23:20:53 2017 209.159.254.195)
home!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Apr 5 21:40:04 2017 73.58.129.225)
Yay! Holy Water!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 5 20:53:34 2017 4.28.180.2)
Cyborgs play Putt-Putt! Beware!


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 18:14:25 2017 205.141.67.16)
I'm going golfing this afternoon! Well...more like putting. Some sort of company mini-master at work. Putting greens all over the building.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 5 17:47:10 2017 199.168.151.175)
Trivia Girl: Hmmm...not sure. Not the werewolf though. Pretty sure, anyway.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Apr 5 15:00:00 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
Framkin, the puppeteer of "Smile Time,"



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Apr 5 14:57:59 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What character did David Fury play in 'Smile Time'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Apr 5 13:16:58 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Wednesday, April 5th 2017 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Bex
CainWolf
Emily Anne (aligator's cousin)
littlefluffybunny
Neela Sanghrajka
Noetic Concordance
Ravenmunim
Saati
Slayer-in-Waiting (Kresnik's childe)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bex, Cain Wolf, Emily Anne, littlefluffybunny, Neela Sanghrajka, Noetic Concordance, Ravenmunim, Saati, Slayer in Waiting !



This is my boat. They're part of my crew. No one's getting left. Best you get used to that.
Mal, 'Ariel''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 5 12:59:42 2017 199.168.151.175)
Chris Marlowe:

"I'm the ANTAGONIST. Can't I ANTAGONIZE?"

-THE SHADOW, Dorkness Rising

CC Wolfguard



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 12:44:42 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard In even having an antagonist.

yay holy water!

deadguy qod

I'm not sure what whedonland would look like, but my instint tells me there would be pain there! Of the emotional kind!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Apr 5 11:54:39 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for holy water!

yay holy water!

todays deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

whedonland - the world of joss

if there were a whedonland theme park, would you go?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 5 03:38:58 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

What direction?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 03:34:40 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard One of the problems that I had with my story is the lack of a real problem or antagonist. I think I have some direction now with that. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 5 03:07:52 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely! Capital idea! *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 02:04:52 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I should be taking notes, just in case I decide to a izombie/buffy sequel.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 5 01:11:04 2017 209.159.254.195)
Edited: Wed Apr 5 01:12:55 2017
Maverick Thanks for the heads up!

ETA New Agents of SHIELD too!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 5 00:37:57 2017 4.28.180.2)
"...A concentrated form of diversity is characteristic of recent history. The
growth of colonialism in our millennium and the counter-colonialization that
has replaced it have created multi-cultural societies - where different
ethnicities cram their contrasting looks, dress, customs, worship, and diet
into small, shared spaces. This proximity can adulterate identity, but it can
also refine it; for all human groups define themselves by means of self-
differentiation from their neighbors...

...However fast the shifts, the galactic museum-keepers will retain their long-
term perspective and see our millennium as continuous with the last and the
next - characterized by brief challenges from Islam and the west to an
otherwise almost continuous history of Chinese preponderance..."

From Millennium: A History of the Last 1,000 Years by Felipe Fernandez-
Armesto, c. 1995


WG



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Maverick says:
(Wed Apr 5 00:33:02 2017 69.244.158.94)
Christopher Marlowe: Looks like "iZombie" is back on tonight. I visited the Library tonight and brought home.

1. "Ray Donovan, Season 4"
2. "Homeland, Season 5"
3. "Case Histories, Season 2 (British)
4. "Trumbo"
5. "10 Cloverfield Lane" (related to Drew Goddard)
6. "Adoration"


Maverick


It Might Be You




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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 4 23:42:57 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the demon in Once More With Feeling?
Answer: A very cool demon, sweet or suite. *g*

Congrats to notsoShyGirl, wolfguard



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 23:32:32 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard Suite makes a lot more sense than Sweet. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 4 21:30:24 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

LOL

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 19:00:43 2017 205.141.67.16)
wolfguard For the first time, that actually makes sense!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 4 17:30:26 2017 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Suite :)

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Apr 4 15:27:15 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
Sweet



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 4 15:02:28 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What is the name of the demon in Once More With Feeling?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 4 13:06:11 2017 73.58.129.225)
Agent Cooper--I believe humans used to be more connected to their mystical
side but most have lost that ability as civilization advanced. And even back in
the day there would have been some who would have been more connected than
others. Kind of like Jedi and the Force--the Force runs through everything but
not everything can be a Jedi.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Apr 4 13:02:55 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Tuesday, April 4th 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


AngelicShadow
Apollo/Justin
Buffy Fan
Chrissie
Liche
Lisa

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to elreyn24, GrimReaper, Polgarita, turtle!



You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras. Xander, 'Tough Love'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 12:45:37 2017 209.159.254.195)
yay ergo sum!

deadguy qod


CLEM! I gotta go with my main demon Clem!




Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Apr 4 12:06:05 2017 24.3.106.169)
Edited: Tue Apr 4 12:06:33 2017
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ergo sum

yay ergo sum!

todays deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the demon guide - covering all dimensions

what or who is your favorite whedonverse demon?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 4 03:48:04 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Joyce wielded a mean curling broom. It was Joyce who introduced Buffy to ice
skating. It's true. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 03:27:00 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfgaurd For most of the day it was quite good, but that last hour, not quite so good.

I'm having a better day the US Curling team, the world championships are on.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 4 03:11:00 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Middling. I've had better, but I've had worst. Yourself?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 02:10:33 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfgaurd I trust today went well?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 4 00:28:05 2017 4.28.180.2)
Comma,

Didn't Longstreet suggest that to Lee? Break off, march fast to place AoNV
between the Union forces and DC hoping to force the Union to assault them?

OTOH, would Meade have assaulted or instead tried to put Lee under siege?

Meanwhile, back in the environs of Vicksburg...

*g*


WG



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Comma says:
(Tue Apr 4 00:16:50 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolfguard: And if Lee had turned east and headed to Washington DC instead of the last attack at Gettysburg, we may be living in two or three different countries.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 4 00:09:04 2017 209.159.254.195)
Agent Cooper I don't believe you are making anything up! I don't have a relative with quite that much character!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 3 23:07:30 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydales Foolish Pursuits

Category: Language
Question: The word Foolscap" refers to what?
Answer; Paper

Trivia 18 font: notsoShyGirl!
Trivia 7.5 font: Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 3 21:48:39 2017 4.28.180.2)
Civilization exists by geologic consent, subject to change without notice.


- attributed to an unnamed geologist


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 3 20:00:23 2017 199.168.151.175)
Chris Marlowe: Now that is an interesting question. I have a big old book of superstitions at home that would make Giles proud, remind me and I'll look it up.

If my grandma was still alive, she'd tell me right off the bat. She was quite a character, and every common happenstance held some kind of mystical omen to her. As in, if you say dropped a spoon in the kitchen that meant company was coming soon. Or if your right palm itched you were coming in to some money. If the left one itched you were going to spend some. If your right ear itched a friend was talking about you, if your left ear itched an enemy was. And so on.

To semi-quote Men At Work, she was a strange lady, and she sometimes made me nervous. Sometimes the phone would ring and she'd yell to me, "Tony it's your friend Scott" before anybody answered. And it would be Scott. Also, when I was a young boy I was afraid of bees. One day I went out to play and there was a bunch of bees swarming around our yard. Grandma waved her hand and said "go away bees" .... and they did.

She did stuff like that all the time. I am not making this up.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 3 19:48:03 2017 199.168.151.175)
Trivia Girl: That cone shaped hat thingy that mean teachers made dumb kids wear back in the day.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 3 18:23:10 2017 205.141.67.16)
Noon-time visit. Now I know a black cat crossing your path is bad luck. What about a white cat? One scooted across the road on my way to work this morning.



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n says:
(Mon Apr 3 14:59:50 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
A size of paper formerly standard in Great Britain; broadly: a piece of
writing paper



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 3 14:38:36 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydales Foolish Pursuits

Category: Language
Question: The word Foolscap" refers to what?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Apr 3 13:28:28 2017 24.3.106.169)
<-- This message was deleted by its original poster. -->



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Apr 3 13:22:50 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Monday, April 4th 017 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


denial
DestructoGirl
emma
haramislt
Jen the Pasty One
Liam Daniel (Irishrose's son)
Paris Angel
The Avatar
Wednesday Adams
WillowWicca

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to denial, DestructoGirl, emma, harmisIt, Jen the Pasty One, Liam Daniel, Paris Angel, The Avatar, Wednesday adams, Willow Wicca



"Buffy, When I saw you stop the world from, you know, ending, I just assumed that was a big week for you. Turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'Riley, 'A New Man''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayofTheDay says:
(Mon Apr 3 13:16:27 2017 209.159.254.195)
lets hear a great big bronze cheer for thumper!

yay thumper!

Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 3 02:15:53 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Mon Apr 3 02:16:30 2017
Comma,

Someone said, if Hitler hadn't persecuted minorities and started wars, then
he might be remembered as Germany's greatest statesman. Henry Kissinger
said, ~ If France had not allowed Germany to retake the Rhine, Hitler would
have been driven from office and we'd be be looking back and wondering what
to make of him.

Somewhere read some German officers covertly contacted Britain (and France?)
saying if they would stand-up to Hitler over his demand for the Sudetenland,
then they would rise up and overthrow him. Britain (and France?) declined
the risk.

If one German soldier had taken aim at Hitler as he marched down the street
in Munich in 1923, then? If the mustard gas had done permanent damage to his
eyes, would he have become a blind prophet? *g* If Operation Barbarossa had
begun in the spring 1941. If Hitler had not declared war on the US. If
Hitler had allowed his generals flexibility for retrograde. *g* If Hitler
had focused alone on Leningrad or Moscow or Stalingrad. If Churchill had
been killed by the car that hit him i 1931 and Chamberlain remained PM. If
the heavy water not been destroyed and the V-2 perfected.

History fascinates. Historical speculation, perhaps more so. *g*

ETA Europeans may still all learn German. *g*

WG



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Comma says:
(Mon Apr 3 01:02:10 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolfguard: I knew that you, and most on here, would understand the difference between actual historical events and historical recollection. I post that for some who may not understand, plus to show that I understand the difference and I did not take Ralph's memories as fact.

If Hitler had left Russia alone we would all have learned German by now. If Germany had not declared war on the US all of Europe may only speak German. IF! IF! IF!

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 3 00:23:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
abt,

I believe it's intellectually dangerous to call someone or someones
'fascist'. It's an uber-insult expressing anger and fear. It's often wrong.

20th century European fascism glorified the nation over the individual. What
was important was not so much who one was, but what community one belonged
to. Communities have been around for 10,000 years, only in the past few
centuries have nations been harnessed by states and only in the past couple
centuries have nations sought to form states.

Fascism began with the idea of using the state as a means to further the
nation, but as is often the case the means became the ends. Power was too
sweet.

I suspect some people believe some of what I posted the last couple nights
is aimed at President Trump. It's not. I had simply glanced at the forward
of a new print of Mein Kampf. Hitler didn't spring into being. He had
a history. His ideas, his personality were formed in a time and place - and
that seems to have started in pre-war Vienna.

Trump offered a clear message1 that resonated with enough people
in the right states2 to win their vote and win the election.
Since he won the election he has tried to fulfill his promises - to those
who voted to see those promises kept. However, every election has voters
whose candidate lost. They don't like seeing those promises kept. It was the
same way when Obama won. Some win and :) and some lose :(

I do not know if another Republican candidate could have pulled off what
Trump did. I do believe Trump has a fragile ego and little impulse control
and that it is hurting his performance. OTOH, I could be wrong. His
communication tactics may be keeping the loyal opposition off-balance. Time
will tell.

That said, I did not vote for Trump, because I disagree with his policies on
immigration, trade, environment, and the specifics of foreign policy. I also
did not vote for Clinton.

1 America is in decline, because other countries are taking
advantage of us and bad people are getting into country. Oh, and did I tell
you about Radical Islam? Washington won't. We need to kill them all.

2 "Right" meaning figuring out which states to go after to get
the needed electoral votes.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 23:32:23 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Sun Apr 2 23:48:35 2017
Comma,

I'm not questioning what Ralph told you. I understand the advantages and
disadvantages of eyewitnesses.


ETA It's a question of scale, time and place. What a Google marketing person
sees may not be what an assembly-worker in Detroit sees, or a woman picking
apples in North Carolina, or a carpenter in St. Louis. But as you move up the
scale, aggregate the experiences - what have you? Nazi Germany, as a society,
enslaved millions of civilians and killed many if not most of them. As a
society.

WG



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 2 22:58:42 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolfguard: I am not writing about actual historical events here. I am stating the memories, of a time in history, of a older man who had his lips loosened by very strong drink. Most historians know, while eyewitness accounts are great to have, time is never kind to the human memory. Unless someone wrote it down when it happen, it will contain a least one mistake.

I must also say again, even if I can hold my liquor, I may still have recorded some of the statements wrong. I do not believe so, but maybe.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 22:49:49 2017 4.28.180.2)
Comma,

The Einsatzgruppen, 'death squads', were under the S.S. and often worked
alongside the Wehrmacht. If they were around, one knew. That said, I've also
heard and read that the Wehrmacht was concerned about the effects such
killings had on some soldiers and this had some influence in the Nazis
creating a more industrialized form of mass murder.

- When a new territory comes under control, issue the proper laws,
identification, and paperwork so to control 'undesirables'.

- Gather them together where they can be monitored and controlled.

- When workers are needed to build infrastructure and the like in the new
lands to the east, then draw from the ghettos those needed, put them in
trains and ship them east.

- When they arrive sort them out. Those that are not immediately useful,
kill.

(Okay folks, To keep you safe from disease, we're all going to take a
shower. Hang your clothes on a hook. Take a number so you can find them
again. Now into the showers ... burn the bodies. As to the clothes and
personal items - put them to good use (also portions of the bodies before
cremating))

- Those that survive the arrival sorting, work them till they are no longer
useful or they die in the 'harness'.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 22:28:01 2017 4.28.180.2)
Comma,

Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933. Nazi party members were made head
of the Ministry of Interior (overseeing police) and the Interior Ministry of
Prussia (again, police).

The Nazis "issued" laws depriving Jews of their citizenship in the fall of
1935 (see earlier link to Nuremberg Laws).

The regular police were said to be suspicious at first of the Nazis - the
Nazi party militia had fought in the streets - but came to appreciate the
broad powers the Nazis allowed them.

"...Those arrested by either the police or the Gestapo had less than
three minutes to pack clothing and say their goodbyes. Once arrested, they
were sent to the nearest police cell. Those in custody were told to sign
Form D-11; this was an Order For Protective Custody. By signing this, you
agreed to go to prison. Those who did not sign it were beaten until they did
or officers simply forged their signature. Once a D-11 was signed, you were
sent to a concentration camp. How long you stayed here depended on the
authorities. The usual rule of thumb was whether it was felt that you had
learned your lesson (even if there had not been one to learn) and would
behave in an acceptable manner once outside of prison...
"

From ...

www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_germany/the_nazi_police_state/


WG



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 2 22:02:51 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolfguard: There was something that Ralph said that night about public education in Germany. I spoke a little about it on tape but I do not remember what he said and the tape makes no sense. Something about the eastern front and the school system. I will never know. I know very little of what happen to schools, and the school teachers, after the NAZI's were in control.

What I do know, from my own studies, was that German officers and the enlisted, who could not, or would not work on the finial solution, were assigned to other military units with little or no retaliation. It almost seems not to fit the NAZI image.

Anyone here from Germany? I would like to know what all were taught, about Germany from 1932 until 1945, in public school?

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 20:56:54 2017 4.28.180.2)
Parking a link ...

Nuremberg
Laws




WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Apr 2 20:14:47 2017 69.244.158.94)
Comma: The lesson which I take from this, and which we as a country have not learned a thing about, is that resentful people can be easily manipulated into believing the "healthy, wealthy, and wise" are unfairly better off than them and have probably stolen something from them and that this needs to be redressed. We still allow children to creatively avoid getting a good education so they grow up to be resentful adult predators. We warehouse people on the inner city plantations and pay them just enough to keep their resentment fresh so that they continue voting for the purveyors of welfare and government benefits. Rather than insisting on making the people better and smarter, we constantly try to allow them to wallow in their self pity as if they were not given privileges. God sprinkled abilities rather evenly among the world's population. Our government system is one of the few that can allow people to be what they are suited to be and make a living at it. We need to try to maximize each person's abilities, rather than just paying them to shut up and go away. They only shut up and go away for a while, then they bemoan their station in life and want to be paid off OR they want to pull everyone else down to their level. This is how our government has fallen on hard times in recent years as certain people, who want to be in charge, promise income equality and equality of outcome and not just equality of opportunity (which presupposes an effort required by the governed to participate in their own personal development.).


Maverick


In The White Room




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 18:34:25 2017 70.198.37.93)
Abt

Brexit aside, how is Theresa may
doing?



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 2 18:34:23 2017 75.143.154.113)
6. Ralph swore that he did not know what was going on when the Jews left Frankfurt. He stated, at first, that newspaper accounts stated that the Jews were being moved, to safer areas, to protect them. I did ask him why they needed 'protection' and who from? It seems that the newspaper, and the radio stations, reported that almost all crimes were being committed by persons with Jewish family names. Also there were gangs of thugs going around beating up Jews. Who these thugs were seemed to be unknown.

7. The German people were being told, as late as 1938, that the Jewish persons would one day return home. Ralph said that he never believe this. Why? The real property, taken from the Jews, were given to party supporters. There was no where for the Jews to return too.

8. In the thirties, 'What was there not to love about Hitler?' (Ralph's words.) People went back to work, there were plenty of consumer goods to buy, and plenty of money to buy them with, Germans were able to take 'workers vacations' on the government, businesses were making money, almost all medical needs were met at low prices, and the world started to respect Germany again.

9. He did not talk very much about the war years, or the hard years after the war. He did talk about not being allowed back into the newspaper publishing business, after the war, because he had been SS. He returned, in 1948, to nothing in Frankfurt. They moved into the house, with his mother-in-law, and started managing her gas station and bar. When she died, they took the businesses. He no longer ran the businesses, when I knew him, but he was still the owner.

I know that some of all are wondering how, after drinking for ten straight hours, did I remember any of this? When I crawled back home, just after daybreak, I recorded everything that I could remember before I went to sleep. A few days later I wrote everything down. We never talked about the Hitler years again.

Comma



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abt says:
(Sun Apr 2 17:51:11 2017 84.9.78.92)
wolfguard - you know the Michael Rosen poem?

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."



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abt says:
(Sun Apr 2 17:34:20 2017 84.9.78.92)
Wed - triggered Article 50.
Sun - talk of war with Spain.



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 2 15:03:45 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolguard and all: Before my year with the Germans I was given several interviews including physiological ones. My interviewers started off American, then English, and finally Germans. Then English interview me because I was near to a military kaserne that housed a SAS detachment. One point, drilled into me over and over, was to never talk about WWII. I also could not have over two drinks in any twenty-four hour period. In my first year, and later when I spent over two more years with them, I never broke those rules except for that night.

Some of what I learned that night:

1. It was very easy for the Germans to turn against the Jewish community. The German Gentiles, during the depression years, never saw any of the members of the Jewish community ever suffer. That is because the Jewish community took care of their own.

2. When Hitler first took power he made the poor dependent on his government. They fed and clothed the poor, provided needed medical treatment, and even gave the poor a purpose in life by given them jobs doing government projects.

3. Hitler, while not banning the personal ownership of guns, did issue, what we would call an 'Executive Order' that Communist, Jews, and non-citizens could not own personal guns. That is when Jews where excluded from gun clubs and hunting clubs. There went one of the few true social settings where Gentiles and Jews interacted in a non-business arena.

4. While he did not nationalized the police force at first, Hitler did form institute laws that put national controls on local police departments. Basically the Nazi Party controlled what a local policeman could do in his official duties. That included not investigating crimes involving party members and what members, of which groups, should be arrested for most crimes.

5. Hitler issued a 'Executive Order' releasing thousands from German jails and prisons. These included persons who had committed crimes against certain members of other groups. It also included persons, who had a real skill, who had committed 'so called' non-violent crimes.

My friend, in English his name was Ralph, was born into a upper middle class family. He was born, and had grown up, on the family estate near Hanau. He attended university, in Frankfurt, and graduated just after WWI started. He was a Artillery officer in WWI. He lost a older brother during the war. He learned French, and Flemish, during that time period. After the war he worked for a newspaper in Frankfurt. The newspaper editor was his uncle. His first wife died in childbirth in 1923. He did not marry again until 1935. In 1937, after his uncle was inducted into the SS Ralph also joined the SS. He did become a party member, to get promoted, and was what we would call a public affairs officer. He lost another brother during WWII, and his family estate was destroyed in a bombing. He spent two years, in prison, because he was a party member and a SS officer. He was released in early 1948 and, with nothing left for them in Frankfurt, he moved to his wife's family home. That is where I met him.

Later.

Comma



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 2 13:10:18 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Sunday April 2nd 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Aylaking
Cori
Pooka
skull_uk
Tsarina
The Bunny Mistress

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aylaking, Cori, Pooka, skull_uk, Tsarina, The Bunny Mistress!



Saffron: You just had a better hand of cards this time. Mal: It ain't a hand of cards. It's called a life.'Trash'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Apr 2 12:36:30 2017 73.58.129.225)
DaddyCatALSO--As drugs and
alcohol often do :(

And the woman next to Spike wasn't
Drusilla but Dawn--completely
didn't recognize her either :(

And up until now I didn't realize
that Faith was missing! Seems
like she should have been there,
even though Eliza's said she
wasn't a regular cast member and
therefore wasn't included.


Maverick--Ah, the old four
German marks to a dollar :) I was
in Europe for a couple months in
the early 80s, I loved going from
country to country and getting the
local currency! Using the Euro is
bor-ing :(



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Maverick says:
(Sun Apr 2 04:54:18 2017 69.244.158.94)
Comma: I was stationed in Germany between 1968-1969, Vietnam-era, in Ulm for a while and then our Battalion (1st Signal) was transferred to Kaiserslautern. I mostly came into contact with younger people (Disco was just big at the time.) The exchange rate was $1 = 4 German Marks. You could buy a beer for 1 Mark, so you can see, even with a Sp-4's or Sgt E-5's salary, I was wealthy by a lot of their standards. I wish I could have talked with the older people about their experiences but the language was always an issue. They were always polite, however, mind you, and seemed not resentful that we were there. (I always thought they were a little beaten-down by the revelations of what went on in their Concentration Camps.) We WERE there, ostensibly, to prevent the Russians from overrunning Germany. This little draftee got quite the world-class education, though.


Maverick


Layla




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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 02:17:12 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Sun Apr 2 02:21:12 2017
Comma,

1943 was not a good year for Nazi Germany.

How did your German friend explain the German experience in the interwar years?

ETA I think most Americans who did not live through WWII know of Hitler only in
broad, broad terms. Evil dictator of Nazis, killed and persecuted people. We
would never be so fooled, because he was clearly evil and we would never follow
an evil man.


WG



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 2 02:01:53 2017 75.143.154.113)
1. Having read 'Mein Kampf', in English in 1969, a high school book report, and in German, in 1979, I can tell all that it is not a very well written book. I wondered, when I read it in German, if any type of outline was used for the writings. Then, in 1982, I was able to view a large German collection of pre-Beer Hall Putsch printed Nazi materials, and I saw the outline that was loosely followed.

2. The New York Book Club reviewed "Mein Kampf', by A. Hitler, shortly after it was published in the US. They, to say the least, panned it. The next to the last sentence stated 'do not waste your time of your money.' The last sentence for told history. It was a simple statement, 'If Adolf Hitler does ever come to power, the world will be in great trouble!

3. In 1977 I was given a special assignment to work with a German unit. We lived, almost two hours away from my American unit, in a small German farm town. Since there were no other Americans around, I became good friends with a great number of the local Germans. One of those Germans, an older man somewhere in his eighties, always wanted to talk with me. Over the year that we lived there he spent several evenings eating at our apartment, and us eating at his house. Right before I left that area, and went back to the real Army, I was at his house one evening. He thanked me for being his friend. He then told me that he wanted to show me something. He pulled out his SS Captain's uniform and news stories that he had kept during WWII. He told me that he wanted me to know the whole truth. I learned more, that night, about the Germans, and about Germany, during the Hitler years, than any book could ever tell me. I should say that it was not just that night. We talked almost ten hours straight. I understood that night that it could happen anywhere!

In 1981, when I was reassigned, by request of the Germans, back to the same unit, and rented the same apartment as before, I went over to my friends house. He had died in 1980. I, for the first time, met his son, who was born in 1943, Adolf.

4. Prior to 1932, Jews, for the most part, were only mistreated in two countries in Europe, France and Russia. It may sound funny, but the Reds, in Russia, stopped attacking Jews just because they were Jews. They attacked Jewish persons who tried to practice their religion openly. Christians were also attacked for the open display of religion.

5. I get very tire of people who want to compare any elected American figure to Hitler. If they really thought that a person was another Hitler, they would be afraid to say anything. Or they would, if it was true, just disappear.

Comma



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Maverick says:
(Sun Apr 2 01:45:48 2017 69.244.158.94)
Emma Caulfield to appear on "Fear the Walking Dead"


lostinamerica: Nicky Brendon DOES have Stuff In The Hopper. Let's hope he finds a role that makes excellent use of his many talents.


Agent Cooper: Sabre I was looking for your old Posting Board Name by going through Algerina's, bless her heart, shout-out list. Sabre (Buffalo's hockey team) makes sense as you are also a northern NY resident and the fact that you spelled it Sabers, to lead me astray, really makes me suspicious. P.S. I think your answer to the phobia question (Burt Bacharach) was my answer to it the first time TG posed it. BTW, I went to confession today and added that I hate the Pope; I don't think I got any extra penance.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 01:37:55 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard Yes I meant Millenial.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 01:27:23 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Economist Angus Maddison was a giant in studying macro-economic historical
data. He estimated, "...the gross domestic product of Rome to be $25
billion (in 1990 dollars), which is equivalent to the economy of the modern-
day state of North Dakota.
(Text doesn't give a time fix - and Rome
lasted around 750 years (in the west). Madison also estimated the population
of Western Europe in AD 0 to be 24.7 million people. Since Maddison compared
Rome to North Dakota I thought to see what were ND's recent/current GDP and
population ...

ND GDP $28 billion (rounded to nearest billion)

ND Population 739,000 (rounded to nearest 100,000)


What about South Dakota? Your GDP is higher at $34 billion, but you also
have a larger population at 853,000. To see which state is doing better
divide population by GDP. *g*

But think about those comparisons. Rome's GDP was a bit less than either ND
or SD, but it had to be spread across so many, many more people.

I should check Mississippi's GDP and population.

Source: Balance: The Economics of Great Powers by Hubbard and Kane


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 01:08:08 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Thank you. Her generation? I don't know. She's three. Millennial?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 01:01:19 2017 70.198.34.172)
Wolfguard

I! Not sure what the next generation
after millwmials are called.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:46:51 2017 70.198.34.172)
Wolfguard

Happy news!!!!

What generation?



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:39:23 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

My youngest grand-goddaughter had a birthday today. :)

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:33:47 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Sun Apr 2 00:35:53 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Many Germans voted for the Nazis, because the Nazis ran good campaigns
promising each group what they wanted. Many Germans concluded the Nazis
couldn't do any worst that the other political parties that had held power.
Setting aside what the Nazis did to civil and political rights, they did get
the economy functioning again.1 Moreover, Hitler's early foreign
policy moves took back the Rhine from France and annexed Austria and the
western portions of Czechoslovakia - without going to war. Made Germans proud
to be German again. Okay, some people got imprisoned, but they were deviants or
lesser races. Look away if need be, Germany is great again!

1 Scholars debate whether the Nazi economic policies had legs, but
they worked in the then and now.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:28:02 2017 70.198.34.172)
Wolfguard

Anything less morbid tonight?



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:20:26 2017 4.28.180.2)
Excerpts

"...Cyanide can absorb directly through the skin and kill you ...
inhaled, it will enter the bloodstream rapidly via the lungs and kill you
... in a liquid and the liquid spilled on the skin or splashed in the eyes,
it will kill you.

It takes only a small amount, and even if a doctor was standing right next
to you, you would die ...
p.88

... It is quick, nasty, and effective ... Cyanide is a 'metabolic poison'
in that it basically shuts down the ability of the body's cells to use
oxygen ... it's as if all the oxygen is removed from the body instantly ..."
p.155


From Murder and Mayhem: a doctor answers medical and forensic questions
for mystery writers
, D.P. Lyle, M.D., copyright 2003



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 2 00:16:43 2017 70.198.34.172)
Wolfguard

I'm not sure. He tapped into
something.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 23:56:11 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

There're publishers. If one really wants to understand Hitler's thinking, then
reading the book helps. Perhaps more important is realizing this thinking moved
large numbers of German people. How so?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 1 23:29:15 2017 209.159.254.195)
Edited: Sat Apr 1 23:30:53 2017
wolfguard I am here!

ETA

wolfguard I thought somehow that Mein Kampf was something no book publisher wants to publish?



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 22:36:08 2017 4.28.180.2)
~ He writes like a self-educated, modern South German with a gift of oratory.

~ He mostly read the local newspapers of the time which were 'slovenly',
~illogical, 'pretentious'

~ He read pamphlets on politics, evolution, etc.

~ He did not 'systematize' this knowledge, but remembered disjointed facts that
supported his beliefs.


From the introduction to a recent publication of Mein Kampf


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 22:20:53 2017 4.28.180.2)
Listening to another person who either misunderstands Occam's Razor or has so
simplified his explanation that his audience will walk away more ignorant than
when the presentation began.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 20:47:43 2017 4.28.180.2)
Leading her into bad decisions

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 1 20:45:06 2017 67.158.25.23)
Back into town after a trip to the
countryside. Now for a sake
experience.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Apr 1 20:12:31 2017 216.164.173.90)
lostinamerica Eliza kicked
booze and drugs eyars ago whens he
relaized they were eladign her into
abd decisisons



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 1 15:35:32 2017 209.159.254.195)
Comma, wolfguard LOL! Sorry about that! I wound up going to bed not long after posting that last night!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Apr 1 14:31:21 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Saturday, April 1st 2017 C.E.
April Fool's Day!

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays (no foolin')!


Ageless
Anela Ipo
eirefaerie
Greendude
Roxanne
SheBit
Talie
Tamz
Terrina
Wolfstein
Yoyoma

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Agless, Anela Ipo, eirefaerie, Greendude, Roxande, SheBit, Talie, Tamz, Terrina, Wolfstein, Yoyoma!



Strong like an Amazon.Tara, 'The Body''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Apr 1 11:59:48 2017 73.58.129.225)
ChristopherMarlowe--I think it came out yesterday :)

I wonder how Nicholas Brendon is doing fighting his personal demons :( I haven't
heard if anyone else is having troubles, are they?



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 03:05:36 2017 4.28.180.2)
Two Hellmouths, Two Bronzers.

*g*

WG



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Comma says:
(Sat Apr 1 02:43:31 2017 75.143.154.113)
Here also.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Apr 1 02:05:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 1 02:01:25 2017 209.159.254.195)
Anyone around tonight?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 1 00:47:26 2017 209.159.254.195)
lostinamerica I still need to pick up that issue! Everyone looks pretty good!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 31 23:49:28 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit,
Phobic Edition

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you
have Batrachophobia?
Answers: amphibibans

Trivia Masters: notsoShyGirl!
Trivia funnmen: Agent Cooper,
wolfguard!

Agent Cooper I honestly
don't know. Maybe Jennifer
Lawrence.



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Mar 31 23:38:01 2017 73.58.129.225)
DaddyCatALSO--That came to
me later, the bearded guy is
Wesley :)

I looked at some more pictures and
yes, that is Tara next to Willow,
didn't recognize her at all and
thought it might be Jenny
Calendar--Tara's face has gotten
much thinner!

So, is Drusilla the woman next to
Spike? I assume it is.


Yay! OldManFan!


Happy Birthday Peace Fire!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Mar 31 20:40:24 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper Christopher Marlowe Barbara, in the original comics line, was 26 when Richard Grayson was 19, so she was presumably a good bit younger when she started (sicne he was still a minor then and way too short to be much over 14,) but was already a librarian, so needs to look a t least 21.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 31 20:25:23 2017 4.28.180.2)
Trivia Girl,

It's the fear of the two-humped, Bactian Camel.

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Mar 31 19:52:15 2017 199.168.151.175)
Chris Marlowe: Not sure. Since I don't follow Hollywood closely enough to know anyone and also since I imagine they'd need somebody fairly young to do it (Barbara was pretty young when she donned the cape) I'm going to say somebody unknown.

Did you have somebody in mind?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 31 18:24:11 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper Finally over the hump! Now I can take it a lot easier at work this afternoon.

What actress do you think should be Batgirl? Someone known or unknown?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Mar 31 18:07:27 2017 199.168.151.175)
Trivia Girl: The fear of Burt Bacharach songs.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Fri Mar 31 16:31:38 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
Batrachophobia is the fear of amphibians, such as frogs, newts, salamanders, etc.
The origin of the word batracho is Greek (meaning frog) and phobia is Greek
(meaning fear)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Mar 31 16:23:20 2017 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica Christopher Marlowe They took a lot of pics at the photo shoot and not everyone was in all of them. Amber was in the full pic of all of them, maybe the hairdo, hair color, and outfit threw you off; the "bearded dude" was Alexis. Tony is doing a play in London and couldn't get away.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 31 13:22:27 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit, Phobic Edition

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear if you have Batrachophobia?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Mar 31 13:12:21 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Friday, March 31st 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Bufidiot
LankyAngel
Peace Fire

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bufidiot, Lanky Angel, Peace Fire!



Zoe: She shot you. Mal: Well, yeah, she did a bit... still --'Serenity''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Mar 31 13:10:21 2017 199.168.151.175)
Maverick: Dude, I hate the Sabers! Go Rangers! :-)

And yes, I know of Birds of Prey. I've never watched it, but Mrs. Cooper did back in the day and we have the DVD set.

I HAVE watched the cartoon shorts that came with the DVD set, "Gotham Girls." Which I actually discovered by accident on Youtube, or my daughter did, to be specific. These are great, we loved watching them together and we were delighted to find that the whole series was included on the BoP dvd set. They are still on youtube and are alot of fun.

That's great news about Joss comning to DC. He could really help them out with the movie efforts. A Batgirl movie by Joss could be very cool, although I do worry that he may be tempted to inject his politics into anything he does right now. He seems kind of consumed with that lately. But as long as he doesn't let that poison his creative process, it will probably be a great movie. He has a solid track record with Marvel.

Christopher Marlowe: There's been several Batgirls over the years, and Joss could pick any one of them for the movie but I have to think the fan favorite over all is the original Barbara Gordon and that's what they'd go with. Or should.



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YayofTheDay says:
(Fri Mar 31 12:58:08 2017 209.159.254.195)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for oldmanfan!

yay oldmanfan!

Thank Joss it's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Mar 31 12:02:00 2017 73.58.129.225)
ChristopherMarlowe--I saw the group BTVS pic from the Entertainment
Weekly article--it made me sad :( Where's Giles and Tara? And who's the guy with
a beard in the back?

And we Southerners will ALWAYS get that reference--the South never forgets ;)


wolfguard--That doesn't sound good :(

Yes, Willow WAS the best vampire :) She has a particularly bad demon occupying
her body ;)


sandman--Welcome back!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 31 03:11:27 2017 209.159.254.195)
MAverick Batgirl? I'm certainly up for that, depending on what version of Batgirl he is writing. I prefer the classic Yvonne Craig Batgiril.

wolfguard I didn't see that particular tweet, but I did see some pundits quote a return of Sherman's march, if folks still get that reference.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 31 02:59:49 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Fri Mar 31 03:00:52 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

A section of I-85 northbound collapsed, because of a massive fire beneath
it. This section functioned as part of a bridge over a major secondary road
as well as open space used to store all sorts of construction or industrial
material and/or equipment. No known deaths, but it's a traffic disaster.

I-285 is Atlanta's 50 odd-mile ring road (called "The Perimeter"). I-75
comes into the Atlanta metro area from the northwest and southeast. I-85
comes in from the northeast and southwest. Both interstates merge a few
miles north and south of downtown and proceed as one massive interstate
through downtown.1

The affected section of I-85 is a few miles north of the merger, but
still inside the Perimeter. Anyone living or working in the northeast
quadrant of Atlanta metro, both inside and outside the Perimeter, will be
experiencing pain.

The cause of the fire is currently unknown (though someone has tweeted it
was an arsonist and he's now heading to Savannah. There's a picture of
General Sherman.)

1 I-20 is the East/West interstate and it runs through downtown
Atlanta.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Mar 31 01:09:55 2017 69.244.158.94)
Joss Whedon Heads to D.C. No, not the town, the Comic Book franchise. He must have really screwed up "Age of Ultron" badly (or thought he did.) Anyway, he'll be doing a Batgirl movie. Anyone else remember "Birds of Prey," the TV Series?


Maverick


Theme from "Firefly"




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 31 01:04:14 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I'm just noticing
there appears to have been a
fire/interstate collapse in or near
Altanta!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 31 00:36:59 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper

((

BOO!!!

))

*g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 31 00:23:07 2017 209.159.254.195)
Oh geez, I thougth it was a
Friday, not a Thursday!
Apologies for missing my own
trivia1!

Agent Cooper It seems to
be just a handful of us these
days. *g* I enjoy the company
anyways. Today I was just
slammed with work and left early
to run around town on errands.

Are you excited about what's been
shown so far of Twin Peaks?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 30 23:24:44 2017 209.159.254.195)
oh thank goodness I'm here...today
has been insane.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Mar 30 22:03:10 2017 69.244.158.94)

Birthday Happies to Godeater


Godeater is Maverick Fanfic Recommender Number One (in good standing).


"What We Do In The Shadows" is a comedy movie about Vampires in New Zealand and stars Jermaine Clement who was so hilarious in the HBO comedy series "Flight of the Concords." It's a bit uneven but its moments, when it has them, are wonderful and unforgettable.


Maverick


Bless The Beasts and The Children




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Maverick says:
(Thu Mar 30 21:35:23 2017 69.244.158.94)
Edited: Thu Mar 30 22:04:03 2017
Trivia Girl: Niagara Falls? Slowly I turned . . .


Agent Cooper: Sabre?


1% of the papers in scientific journals follow the Scientific Method. What does this mean? It is likely that 99% of what is commonly quoted as Science "beliefs" is Fake Science. This includes all the Global Warming hysteria.


Maverick


Tuesday Afternoon




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 30 20:54:20 2017 199.168.151.175)
It's kind of spooky in here all by myself.



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Agent Coope says:
(Thu Mar 30 19:50:02 2017 199.168.151.175)
So, you guys know this is a normal duty day here at the Bronze, right? I don't remember approving any days off or anything.

Guys?

Guys??



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 30 15:51:59 2017 199.168.151.175)
Fake Shemp Trivia: What an excellent, thought provoking question! Thank you!

I'm going to say 42, including baths and walk-in closets.



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Fake Shemp Trivia Girl Stand In says:
(Thu Mar 30 15:34:52 2017 199.168.151.175)
Totally Fake Trivia Question: How many rooms does Bruce Wayne's mansion have? Not including the batcave.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Mar 30 15:17:53 2017 96.87.54.73)
Wanders into The Bronze, looking for Trivia Girl



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 30 11:47:11 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Thursday, March 30th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


BlueDawn3
Godeater
Juliet Landau as the mad vampire Drusilla

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BlueDawn3, Godeater, Juliet Landau!



You turned evil a lot faster than I thought you would.Angel, 'Just Rewards (2)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayofTheDay says:
(Thu Mar 30 11:42:10 2017 209.159.254.195)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for zeus!

yay zeus!

Happy CD Thursday!



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sandman aka Mister Grimm (IIRC) says:
(Thu Mar 30 09:46:52 2017 67.87.97.176)
How sad is it I can't even remember my name here? Started out as "sandman" at the original PB and then a "xandman" came around, caused confusion, the Bronze closed, lots of drinking, massive life upheaval, and then an uninspired name change. I can't say I was one of the cool people or part of the in crowd. Not even a Jonathan of the Scoobies. Kind of lurking Villager B. Sooo if I don't remember who I was, why should anyone else? But holy cow I do remember this place.

20 mother&#&#ing years!?! Debates over characters and plot. Politics and even more politics. Sorry, white wings. I do apologize for some of that. I was still right for being left, even more so now ;P but hey, we all turn to dust eventually.

I had no idea it was 20 years. Saw an EW piece online before bedtime with the photo shoot and interviews with Joss and cast and instantly thought of this place. That and "Holy ****, I got old!" When the show started I looked just a little like David Boreanaz. Okay, very little but sheesh now I look a lot like Joss Whedon. WTF!?!

I liked the campy movie. I loved the first couple of seasons. Then it was a love/hate fest that rivaled Buffy/Spike. Truth be told, I never got over Jenny much less Tara. And Joyce, then Anya, then Fred. And Kenny! You ********! I can't really recall how I got here. Posted a question on some forum and Monique gave me the link IIRC. I have to admit, the debates were truly inspired but the flame wars were more gripping than most TV. Does anyone recall aardwolf vs Jeff Pruitt? Heck an open spoiler tag was like the first five minutes of Jaws and that's not even getting into the 'ships.

SOs to newfan, and Leather Jacket. StGermain, paks, Dianne, Xanderella, Closet B, Christopher Marlowe, Narrator, CosmicBob, wolfguard, beldin, greengirl, Monique, tourogal, KAM, of the top of my head ... and dozens more that I hope are still alive and well. In many ways you guys mattered more than the show that spawned this place even if I didn't become as close with you IRL as many of you did. All the same I'm glad to see it still truckin along.


Anyways... I miss good TV. I certainly miss good arguments about good TV and I miss the Bronzers.

Best wishes to you all. Happy trails Bronzers and Campers.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 30 06:51:09 2017 71.56.125.67)
Yay abt!!


Belated Yay Lurking Little Feet!



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


Which scooby would make the best vampire?

Willow, of course. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 30 02:44:50 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Mar 30 02:49:39 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Thanks for the link.

Looking back at the Rwanda posts, it may be that the issues between a group
do not have to be major for things to escalate. Rwanda and its neighbor
country, Burundi, may be the two most densely populated countries in Africa. A
French diplomat who had worked in Rwanda said, ~ a few mice in a cage can live
together peacefully, but put to many mice together in a cage and they start
eating each other.

Add the radio broadcasts and other government propaganda - your neighbor is
not your friend. Act quickly!



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 30 02:44:42 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard Sometimes you wonder if the human race should survive at all.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 30 01:05:05 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Time after time different groups that lived in the same communities, when
stressed or excited, discovered dormant issues. Almost any person of liberal
leanings can find instances of couples of mixed-what-not or communities of
diversity amidst warring societies. In the Nazi-era there were some Germans
who protected fellow Germans who were Jews, but still six million Jews
died. Community bonds may be weaker than one can imagine.

I recall one person who lived in Rwanda before the genocide who said if ten
Rwandans were to stand against a wall and another Rwandan was told to pick
out which ones were Hutu and which Tutsi, perhaps the person would get three
or four correct .... What mattered was what was on your identity card.

In Machete Season, one participant said killing people was easier
than farming. Apparently for many of the killers it was the spoils that
motivated (roofing tin being much coveted). One man said his wife yelled at
him for not "working" hard enough and getting more (men would meet at the
local soccer field and then be trucked out to where there might be Tutsi's
to kill).


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 30 00:44:53 2017 209.159.254.195)
Edited: Thu Mar 30 00:50:22 2017
wolfguard In happier news..Entertainment Weekly is doing a 20th year anniversary retrospective of Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Video



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 30 00:09:54 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I guess I'll have to just saw that we agree to disagree on the interpretation of the account of the Rwanda genocide on the Dead Reckoning. I'm not sure I want to rewatch it again.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 30 00:00:37 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the Rogue Demon Hunter?
Answer: Wesley Wyndham-Pryce

Trivia Hunters: notsoShygirl
Trivia Demon: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 23:24:28 2017 209.159.254.195)
Home!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 29 23:12:19 2017 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

I can offer little help on Gunn. :(


Christopher Marlowe,

The Hutu and Tutsi had killed each other before 1994. As I remember,
originally the Hutu were farmers and the Tutsi pastoralists. When the
Europeans (Belgians?) took control they favored and/or ruled through the
Tutsi (who I believe were the minority). In time the Hutu revolted and
killed many of the Tutsi and I believe may have afterwards dominated the
government.

The genocide began after a plane carrying the Rwandan president (Hutu) was
shot down. As I remember before or just after the attack the radios were
broadcasting variations of "Kill Tutsi". One specific, ~ The grave is only
half full, who will help us fill it? ~

Rawanda is not the only place in the 1990s where neighbors killed neighbors.
The same was true in Yugoslavia. Once enough people accept a significant
difference exist between people in a community, a difference worth killing
over, then people are often forced to take sides or flee.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Mar 29 20:30:03 2017 199.127.148.10)
Jared did too, but figured it would be unpolitic of him to use those words. So he decided to make what he thought would be a humorous comment about something he hadnt noticed at first, because the womans features were all so harmoniously proportional, but had struck him on second glance. He looked up with a quarter-grin and said, And Ill bet you two enjoyed rubbing noses a lot, huh?

Cutter, with a completely straight face, said, Why, yes, we did, Jared. But there was an odd combination of a twinkle and a glare in his eyes which said, I understand your kind perfectly, boy, since I used to be one. The older mans very noticeable lack of obvious reaction made the disgusted looks which Buffy, Cordelia, and Xander, whom he considered friends, and Oz, whom he didnt, sent his way even more painful to Jared than they normally would have been.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Mar 29 18:49:00 2017 73.58.129.225)
ChristopherMarlowe--There are
several books on the Rwandan
genocide, you can probably look up
their reviews and see which ones are
good :)


DaddyCatALSO --Precisely why
I have yet to see Schindler's
List
:(


Yay! abt!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 17:38:52 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper Excellent answer! I would have loved to have that character on the show.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 29 17:15:25 2017 199.168.151.175)
Trivia Girl: Constantine.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Mar 29 15:44:14 2017 96.87.54.73)
Trivia Girl
Wesley Wyndam-Pryce



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 29 15:03:20 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the Rogue Demon Hunter?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Mar 29 14:28:59 2017 199.127.148.10)
Christopher Marlowe I bought that movie shortly after I got my first DVP and a TV to watch it on (I like Don Cheadle.) It took 7-8 years before I could make myself watch it.


wolfguard So, it boils down to whetehr redemption is helping Buffy, Tara, and the rest deal with the Hellmouth in a world gone mad, or fly off to try a nd build a more survivable community in a more rural area. So I think she'd choose Sunnydale.
But my Texas option makes me wonder; would Gunn be willing to abandon Anne Steele? Since I'm assuming Fred stays with him, that would probably keep the AI bunch in town also. Tnagled web. (and before this I was just wondering what to do to reunite the "engine whisperer" and her doctor husband



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 13:30:23 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I think the point was that before the genocide, there didn't seem to be any issues between Hutus and Tutsis and intermarriage wasn't unusual. The example I gave of the killer. He was Hutu and had a Tutsi wife, so the brother-in-law was Tutsi. Were they to round up and attempt to prosecute those who participated, it would have been pretty massive and almost a genocide in itself.

lostinamerica The movie was very powerful and very hard to watch. I didn't know about the book!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Mar 29 13:23:46 2017 209.159.254.195)
Today is Wednesday, March 29th 2017 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Avatar
Caroline Jane (Happy's Childe)
helygen
Killow
Saint - R.I.P
Tamara
The Librarian
X38

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Avatar, Caroline Jane, helygen, Killow, Tamara, The Librarian, X38!



Well, look who just popped open a fresh can of venom. Xander, 'Choices''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayofTheDay says:
(Wed Mar 29 13:00:42 2017 209.159.254.195)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for abt!

yay abt!

Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Mar 29 12:22:16 2017 73.58.129.225)
ChristopherMarlowe--A good
survivor account of the Rwandan
genocide is Left to Tell by
Immacule Ilibagiza. And I thought
the movie Hotel Rwanda was
very good too.

cc wolfguard



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 29 06:07:59 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm not sure how the program concluded it was not one group killing another group.

"...In just 100 days in 1994, some 800,000 people were slaughtered in Rwanda by ethnic Hutu extremists. They were targeting members of the minority Tutsi community, as well as their political opponents, irrespective of their ethnic origin..." (emphasis added)

Source (BBC)


Also see Machete Season (Amazon)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 04:16:58 2017 209.159.254.195)
Edited: Wed Mar 29 04:17:34 2017
wolfguard I wouldn't be surprised if NPR was. One part of the program focused on the Rwandan genocide. It was considered different, it wasn't a one group massacring people, but individuals killing each other. Neighbor vs neighbor. Since traditional tribunals wouldn't work in such a situation they used a local tradition called 'gatacas'? where the accused and victim came together in an open forum. One of the participants in the genocide returned to his village, among the very people who's relatives he killed or attempted to kill, like his own brother-in-law, with whom he later reconciled. It was a bit mind-boggling to me and it was a challenge to understand it.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 29 02:41:57 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

You think we saw the same program? I may have been listening to NPR and they
may have been broadcasting the PBS show.

Another thing the man said was that only a few of those sentenced to death were
actually executed. Also, several had their sentences shortened because their
services were needed elsewhere to fight the Cold War.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 01:26:45 2017 209.159.254.195)
wolfguard I watched that part, it seemed to tragically absurd, so enormous a crime, but only a drop of justice. Right now, they are focusing on My Lai and Abu Garib. wolfguard I watched that part, it seemed to tragically absurd, so enormous a crime, but only a drop of justice. Right now, they are focusing on My Lai and Abu Garib.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 29 00:52:17 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Mar 29 00:53:46 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Sometime this week I caught the tail-end of an interview with a man who
appeared to have an major role at the Nuremberg trials. He said he tried to
select as war criminals those with high ranks, both civilian and military.
He also said he was constrained in the number prosecuted by the number of
seats available for defendants (22).1

He said the defendants were all educated, patriotic, and some other well-
meaning adjective. He believed wars were fought when people believed their
identities, religions, or economic means were threaten.

I've long been on the record that saying Hitler was evil says nothing useful
towards understanding what happen or for deriving lessons to apply in the
future. There have been and still are many "Hitlers" about in the world.
They just have to land in the right circumstances to sprout.

Off that, I've been skimming Fair Play written by a former CIA case
officer (name slips me). It mostly consist of fictional scenarios to which
various participants are asked: Yes or No, i.e. would you countenance the
action? Here are a few ...

- Use journalist to spy
- Provide a prostitute to a valuable agent2
- Provide a child prostitute
- Provide a lethal pill to members of a covert action team undertaking a
very important mission in which they may be caught.
- Tamper with a political election (book written way before recent election)
- Break a promise to an agent
- Expose innocent person to harm so to further mission


1 I raised an eyebrow at this, because I thought one could simply
use more courtrooms or trials, but I may simply have misunderstood.

2 Here "agent" refers to "asset", not the CIA officer.



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 29 00:20:33 2017 209.159.254.195)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What kind of monsters were the Turok-Han?
Answer: Vampires

Trivia Alphas: notoShyGirl
Trivia Betas: Agent Cooper

wolfguard I'm watching a PBS series called 'Dead Reckoning' about war crimes. Grim, yet fascinating.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 29 00:02:37 2017 209.159.254.195)
finally home.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 28 21:15:45 2017 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

Your question is easily answered by going the canon. Near the end of
Orpheus, Angel and Faith are talking about what they had just
experienced when Sunnydale comes up. Faith tells Angel, ~~~ I'd rather be eaten
by a bear (than go back), but that's where I'm needed.

I do not have immediate access to AtS scripts and my memory is not excellent on
the dialogue, but that's the key takeaway. Faith escaped prison to save Angel
and she will return to Sunnydale because duty calls. Redemption is never
ending.

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Mar 28 19:31:44 2017 199.127.148.10)
Havign a bit of a quandary about my Ice Age Buffy fic setting, which recall branches off in late S-6 BtVS/S-3 Angel. What would cause Faith, when warned of the unavoidable coming disaster, to decide to go back to Sunnydale with Wesley instead of joining Angel and Cordelia and the rest and going to Texas? And I won't use the "Faith an d Buffy know in their hearts they're meant for each other" weasel-out.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 28 18:58:19 2017 199.168.151.175)
Christopher Marlowe: Let's just say one sounds an awful lot like the other, both names describe somewhat similar fictional creatures, and Tolkien wrote HIS stories in the 1940s, and leave it at that.

*cough cough*

:-)