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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 7 23:01:08 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trickiest Trivial Pursuits

Category: Geography
Question: What mountain's summit is the farthest point from Earth's center? (hint: not Everest)
Answer: Chimborazo

Trivia Geologists: DaddyCatALSO
Trivia Fault Lines: OldMAnFan, AgentCooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 7 20:48:08 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Mon Aug 7 20:50:13 2017
DaddyCatALSO,

What musical instruments would Anya have known as a human in the years before
she first became a demon?

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 7 20:40:58 2017 165.225.38.83)
Losinamerica: Dresden gets better the farther into the series you get. Butcher really perfects his craft after book 3 or so.

Trust me!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 7 19:27:33 2017 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe If I ever get around to writing about the Christmas weekend getaway in 2006 in my "Children Of the 'Dale" fics, I'm going to have Anya make a positive comment about Giles's guitar. She sees Tara is bringing her Dobro, and she already knows Xander's cousin Lee is bringing his balalaika, she says it's fortunate the Giles will have a regular guitar to make some sense of the music



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 7 19:23:57 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl - Amon Amarth



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 7 19:13:21 2017 205.141.67.16)
DaddyCATALSO It is fun to day, isn't it? It's like a new dance you can do.



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werewolf123 says:
(Mon Aug 7 19:09:07 2017 68.12.72.107)
Trivia Girl kilimanjaro



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Aug 7 18:31:08 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - Olympus Mons, which is on Mars.

OMF



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 7 17:29:29 2017 199.127.148.10)
Trivia Girl Chimborazo! fun to say. (Another of the distinctions I might get rid of if I wish us to New Earth.)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 7 14:37:41 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trickiest Trivial Pursuits

Category: Geography
Question: What mountain's summit is the farthest point from Earth's center? (hint: not Everest)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 7 13:04:45 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Monday August 7th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Missi
Missie
ScaryGodmother
Spike4evr

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Missi, Missie, ScaryGodmother, Spike4evr!



Lorne: Snakes? Uh-huh. And they came out of your what? Okay. Okay, well, did they get up there themselves or is this part of a, you know, a thing? No, I'm not judging...Do we fight snakes? Angel: Only if they're giant. Or demons. Or giant demons. Are they giant demon snakes? Lorne: Well, unless this guy's 30 feet tall, I'm thinking they're of the garden variety. 'Apocalypse Nowish'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 7 12:56:24 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay phoenix!


Goodbye Blue Monday!

Wolfguard Our local paper often features a man who gives financial advice. He has been a long proponent of not worrying so much about the day to day stock market, keeping an eye on the long game.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Aug 7 12:08:58 2017 73.58.128.92)
Yay! Phoenix!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Aug 7 11:10:04 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for phoenix!

yay phoenix!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 7 05:42:36 2017 71.56.125.67)
Today picked-up 50 Economics Classics by Tom Butler-Bowdon. Each chapter "distills" one book considered by many to be a classic in the field. Many of these books were not written by economists.

The format for each consist of a short excerpt, a one sentence summary of the author's argument, a list of a few other titles in the book "along a similar vein", ~5-6 page summary of the book, and a brief biography. In the contents each title is followed by a summary phrase.

Over the next few nights, I'm going to post a few titles along with the summary phrase and the one sentence summary. The book sequences the titles alphabetically by author. I'm going to post them chronologically by when they were published. For tonight ...

1776, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations

"The wealth of a nation is that of its people, not its government."

"and that wealth is achieved through the division of labor and the ever-greater specialization of their skills. The foundation of all future prosperity is current savings."


1817, David Ricardo, Principles of Political Economy and Taxation.

"A free-trading world will see each nation fulfill its potential."

"Trade is a great facilitator of world prosperity, because it allows participating countries to make the most of their resources, people, and skills."


1867, Karl Marx, Capital

"The interests of labor and capital are perennially in conflict."

"When an economic system treats its workers as mere objects, it is setting itself up for a revolution."


1890, John Marshall, Principles of Economics

"The purpose of economics is not simply to study wealth, but to study man. Habits of earning, saving, and investing provide the data to do so."


(Since these, being so old may seem boring, a couple more current books.)

1964, Gary Becker, Human Capital

"The most important investment we ever make is in ourselves."

"Though it carries some uncertainties, an investment in ourselves pays the greatest dividends."


2007, John C Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing

(Excerpt)"(The) stock market is a great distraction that causes investors to focus on transitory and volatile investment expectations rather than on what is really important - the gradual accumulation of the returns earned by corporate business."

"If you invest in the stock market, put your money in a fund that automatically owns a little bit of every company listed. Over time, it is a sure and almost worry-free way to accumulate wealth."


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 7 04:03:50 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Perhaps Giles did both?


or maybe this?


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 7 00:22:08 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I like to think of Giles perhaps taking up the guitar again and being a troubadour. The things he saw would be worth singing about.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 6 23:56:05 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Sunday, August 6th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Kara (Platinumbaby's daughter)
Lovecraft
Mr. Happy
TreeLady

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Kara, Lovecraft, Mr. Happy, TreeLady!



When we landed here you said you needed a few days to get space worthy again and is there somethin' wrong with your bunk? Mal, 'Out Of Gas'

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Comma says:
(Sun Aug 6 23:44:45 2017 75.143.154.113)
I seem to have come back to the DC office just as everyone else is leaving for vacation. I will be back home, on 21 August, just to see 2 minutes and 8 seconds of darkness. There is a little known fact that certain government agencies have their own airplanes. If one was trained, when they were in the military, to be a Unit Movement Specialist, and one makes real nice with the travel sections in other agencies, one can figure out how to strap hang on different flights. While there is a charge for the flights, as prescribed by Federal Law for Federal employees, it is way cheaper than civilian airlines, I do not have to deal with TSA, and the flights are quicker with less delays. I can also catch a military flight, when there is one, for $25. Because so many agencies are flying down to study the eclipse, I already have flights, down and back that week.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Aug 6 21:15:22 2017 71.56.125.67)
What is Giles been doing?

The world wonders

(five or so images of the same picture of what may be a Big Cat haunting Cotswold?)

Source: Gloucestershire Live



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 6 21:08:29 2017 70.198.41.149)
Hoping to get home soon!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 6 17:40:23 2017 70.198.54.86)
Woops the birthday list will have
to be tonight!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Aug 6 12:16:19 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper, Shade of Bronze--I read the first Dresden book, Storm
Front
, and thought it was pretty good--a decent beach read reminiscent of
the True Blood series, which I liked. I'm on the second one, Full
Moon
, not so fun :( The story follows the same plot line as the first,
hoping it will get better.

This ends the second installment of the Bronze Book Club



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 6 03:27:49 2017 64.179.155.24)
Coming up! Dirty Limericks!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 6 00:47:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
I am hereabouts!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 5 23:12:15 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By


Backpfeifengesicht


*g*

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 5 15:16:20 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Saturday, April 5th 2017 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Ethan Ericson as Percy West
Jack on the Box
nails
Pagan
Servalan
Starr
viper420
Willow's Gimp

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ethan Ericson, Jack on the Box
nails, Pagan, Servalan, Starr, viper420, Willow's Gimp!



Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music.,Host, 'Happy Anniversary''

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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 5 03:43:59 2017 69.244.158.94)
Agent Cooper: On second thought, DON'T watch the link I gave you the other day to "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me." There's something wrong with the VERY end--I think it's chopped off and it doesn't end correctly. I believe watching this movie, which is a Prequel to the TV Series "Twin Peaks," is NECESSARY to understand the subsequent "Twin Peaks: The Return" which is currently running on Showtime. But, the one I linked to (on Veoh) is incomplete. So, as Emily Litella would say, "Never mind."


Maverick


What Is Love?




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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Aug 5 02:56:06 2017 73.58.128.92)
Comma--I know, the hype is
crazy. A friend, her husband and
their friends are coming into town
and wanted to know what they could
do for fun and where to go. Let's
see, all the hotel rooms in the
city are probably sold out by now,
what do you think it will be like
at area bar and restaurants that
weekend? I told them we may just
do something here at the house :)



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Comma says:
(Sat Aug 5 02:17:21 2017 75.143.154.113)
As most of all know, on 21 August we have a full eclipse of the sun. In the Clarksville, TN area, we are looking at two minutes and eight seconds of total darkness. Some thoughts:

1. For some reason, the Clarksville and Hopkinsville area population is expected to increase by half to three quarters of a million humans. There are local homeowners who have rented out their homes for $1000 a night.

2. The authorities are really afraid of motorist stopping in the middle of the interstate. I'm staying off the roads.

3. NOAH, NASA, and other government agencies are setting up equipment on Campbell Army Airfield. Several universities and TV channels are setting up equipment on Outlaw Field, the Clarksville Airport. Just how much money is being spent for 2 minutes and 8 seconds of darkness?

4. The big question, 'What would the affect of a longer eclipse of the sun have on vampires?'

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 5 00:26:45 2017 64.179.155.24)
I am hereabouts! I might start the 'Meloncholy Mooch' club. I really miss that guy.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 4 23:27:17 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay amystar!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

Sorry for the late yays! Pulled a 10 hour shift at work today.



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Aug 4 19:56:31 2017 73.58.128.92)
Happy Belated Birthday Adri!


Happy Birthday Dianne!


Yay! amystar!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Aug 4 17:25:48 2017 199.127.148.10)
I'm seeing some odd and mildly disquieting parallels between my reaction upon discovering Charisma and her rocker boyfriend of the past few years have apparently broken up and my admittedly much more extreme reaction to the end of the canon Willow-Tara relationship.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 4 14:55:20 2017 70.198.48.83)
Here I am in a dental office,
waiting for my regular cleaning.
Hopefully there will be no problem
djscovered



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 4 11:26:26 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Friday, August 4th 2017 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


AmberSuzy
Andy Hallett as The Host Lorne Green
Bridget aka scotlore
Dianne
Heliotrope
Lizza Slayer
Kouros
Rikki
ruyen
Tasma

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to AmberSuzy, Andy Hallett as The Host Lorne Green, Bridget aka scotlore, Dianne, Heliotrope, Lizza Slayer, Kouros, Rikki, ruyen, Tasma!



It's called a blaster, Will, a word that tends to discourage experimentation. Now, if it were called the Orgasmater, I'd be the first to try your basic button press approach.
Xander, 'This Year's Girl' '''


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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 4 11:03:04 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for amystar!

yay amystar!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 4 02:42:14 2017 64.179.155.24)
home!



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white wings says:
(Fri Aug 4 02:34:01 2017 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Fri Aug 4 02:35:09 2017
Happy Birthday Adri!

Christopher Marlowe - Good luck! It better be a lotta pizza!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 23:16:49 2017 64.179.155.24)
driving an hour for pizza, wish me luck!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 3 23:05:32 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Radio
Question: What radio character sometimes quoted "The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Crime does not pay"?
Answer: The Shadow

Trivia Shadow Acolytes: notsoShyGirl
Trivia out of the shadows: Agent Cooper Maverick

Agent Cooper, I think Stranger Things premieres soonish?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 19:12:38 2017 205.141.67.16)
Lunchtime is a couple of oreo cookies. Not healthy, but so little time for anything else!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Aug 3 17:49:29 2017 69.244.158.94)




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Maverick says:
(Thu Aug 3 17:36:08 2017 69.244.158.94)
Trivia Girl: Weeds? Do dee name Ruby Begonia ring a bell?


Christopher Marlowe: I think you could handle good ole' BERNIE Sanders but not, methinks, Sarah Huckabee (check out those shoulders) nor Colonel Harland.


Agent Cooper: Yes, there may be a Nobel Prize in your future.


DaddyCatALSO: I almost forgot. When I watched "Midnight, Texas," the best part, for me, was the cat.


Maverick


Jump




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 3 17:32:35 2017 165.225.38.83)
So I'm done with Riverdale season 1 now. The new season doesn't come out till Sept.

No new Gotham till Sept, and no new Stranger Things till Halloween.

I'm in a TV dead zone right now.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 3 15:59:51 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl: Sherlock Holmes' smarter brother.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Aug 3 15:36:10 2017 76.120.26.241)
Trivia Girl
The Shadow



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 3 15:02:51 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Radio
Question: What radio character sometimes quoted "The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Crime does not pay"?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 3 14:48:31 2017 165.225.38.83)
Chris Marlowe: Now that's funny. Yeah, that's how they should sort out all those plumb Washington jobs: Thunderdome! You have to fight for 'em. One cage, one shank, two applicants. Two bureaucrats enter, one bureaucrat leaves.

What a great way to downsize govt AND drain the swamp!

Maverick: Heck Yeah, I want that job! Or maybe I can get one of those cherry fake govt jobs protecting the world from AGW by flying all over the place in a private jet and giving long, boring, pretentious speeches. Both of which generate plenty of Co2!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Aug 3 12:50:47 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Thursday, August 3rd 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Adri
Blondymu
Ccool
foreverfan
Musicbuff
sparkly_roy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Adri, Blondymu, Ccool, foreverfan, Musicbuff, sparkly_roy!



Angel: Miss me? Lilah: Only in the sense ofno.'Ground State'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 12:42:07 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay fenric!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Aug 3 11:26:57 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--All those
things you mentioned about health
care are so true :(


Belated Yay! Peace Fire!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 3 11:06:11 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fenric!

yay fenric!


Happy CD Thursday!



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werewolf123 says:
(Thu Aug 3 07:16:57 2017 68.12.72.107)
Trump it is known that he likes his aides to fight. supposedly that is why Pribus was fired. He would not fight with moochie.



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werewolf123 says:
(Thu Aug 3 06:36:42 2017 68.12.72.107)
ChristopherMarlowe: I am rounder then i should be.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 02:25:36 2017 64.179.155.24)
anyone around other than me? How hard it would be for me to land that Press Secretary gig? I can beat up Huckabee Sanders for the job, Trump might like that.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 01:09:04 2017 64.179.155.24)
And the plot of this movie is quite complicated.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 3 00:27:04 2017 64.179.155.24)
watching 'The Big Clock' don't think I've seen or heard of this one before!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 2 22:57:06 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the werewolf Angel was dating?
Answer: Nina

Trivia Alphas: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Betas: Maverick, AGent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 21:12:29 2017 205.141.67.16)
Very productive day today. But I will have even busier days ahead at work!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Aug 2 20:47:40 2017 69.244.158.94)
Edited: Wed Aug 2 21:03:46 2017
Trivia Girl: Nita Talbot (sister of Lawrence, and generally enchanting woman.)


DaddyCatALSO: Well, I DID watch the first two episodes of "Midnight, Texas" and I DID like the storyline of what I saw. What I didn't like was the immediate emphasis on miscegenation AND the immediate introduction of gay characters. This seems to be a carryover from "True Blood." While I understand that such things exist, it often ruins my suspension of disbelief when I'm hammered with it. I may give it some more time (unless it conflicts with "Scorpion" which is not trying for social engineering except maybe for normalizing nerds.)


DaddyCatALSO, Agent Cooper: Watch the two different versions of this (Obama selling Obamacare.)
Obama plays hero.


Obama fakes being hero


Agent Cooper: A Job for You (seeing as how you're so good with grammar.)


Maverick


Jesse's Girl




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 2 19:19:07 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper One advantage to that for the consumer (and it's a very left-handed "advantage") is it helps you reach your annual deductible or even your out-of-pocket maximum quickly so the rest of your year is easy-peasy, but the problem who can pull that much out of their pocket in realistic terms.
Another big hurdle is that very small businesses are not allowed to form "buying groups" to get a better rate.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 2 18:06:35 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl: Aela the Huntress


Daddycat: It's insane. Another weird thing is that doctors and hospitals get away with totally ripping off insurance companies. That old saw everybody has heard about the $25 aspirin is completely true. Insurance companies get utterly financially raped every day, by hospitals especially.

Docs and hospitals charge your insurance unbelievably high rates for dumb things like simple drugs, casts, dressings etc.

Another fun game they play is this: If you are in the hospital any doctor who so much as sticks his nose in your room for 30 seconds gets to charge for an expensive full consult.

They can score huge amounts from even an overnight hospital stay for something simple by doing this. I've actually witnessed this when I got to see a bill from a recent hospital stay of my own. They were charging full consulting fees from Docs that I don't even remember seeing, or who I literally had 2 minute conversations with.

I have no idea how are why they get away with it or why it's allowed to go on. Everybody knows about it, but it continues.

So when you think of bealth insurance companies as penny-pinching, mean and uncaring, you're
right they are. But's because they're constantly getting it good by all the providers.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Aug 2 16:11:44 2017 76.120.26.241)
Trivia Girl
Nina Ash



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 2 15:59:31 2017 205.141.67.16)
whoops!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of the werewolf Angel was dating?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 2 14:27:16 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper That state by s tate rule is exactly a thing ACA should have addressed but didn't. Maybe personal injury lawyers like it.

Maverick The idea of atown which a attracts the weird, for one reason or another or a third, has always fascinated me. I'm slowly cobbling together a concept in which this occurs, but against the background of a future world with interstellar colonization. I'm sure vmaps and weres & faerie beings will adjust



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 2 13:42:58 2017 165.225.38.83)
One of the (myriad) reasons car insurance is so much cheaper than health insurance is the stupid rule that insurance companies can't sell past state lines.

IE a health insurer based in NY state can only sell plans to people living in NY state. This keeps the pool of people in a plan small, which concentrates risk and drives rates very high.

Your car insurer has no such problems. Big insurance companies like Allstate and Progressive that sell car insurance have people from all over the country in one risk pool, which spreads that risk much more broadly and makes the rates very affordable.

If health insurers could sell their plans nationwide and include hundreds of thousands of people from all over the country in one big plan, the rates for medical insurance would drop drastically.

I do not know why this state rule is in place. I'm not sure anybody knows why, except maybe to give the insurance companies an excuse to charge so much.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 2 12:50:59 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Wednesday, August 2nd 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Eiddileg
Eire
Fergusmum
olddog

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Eiddelig, Eire, Fergusmum, olldog!



like books. I just don't want to take on too much. Do they have an introduction to the modern blurb? Buffy, 'The Freshman'

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 12:45:14 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay peace fire!

deadguy qod

I think Angel has been traveling the world. I can't imagine him wanting to necessarily stay in Sunnydale after fighting a dragon! He may realize unlife is too long to spend in one place.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Aug 2 11:20:37 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for peace fire!

yay peace fire!

todays deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale travel - check out our special transylvania tour

is angel still haunting l.a. or has he been traveling since the w&h showdown?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 2 05:49:00 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Same here. I first noticed a peculiar dent when the light in a parking deck played off of it. An engineer saw it and said - "Grocery cart".

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 03:34:24 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Most likely! It seems to happen when I park my car. Sometimes I don't know there is damage until long after it originally happened.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 2 02:49:30 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Grocery carts.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 02:23:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I've been paying decades too! But my car winds up being dinged up and sometimes I don't know when or how it happens.



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Aug 2 01:49:32 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--No, Cordelia would watch The Hills ;)

Lorne definitely watches musicals :)

Angel doesn't watch TV because he doesn't understand the concept--he goes to
plays :)


Belated Happy Birthday gazoo!


Belated Yay! Leather Jacket!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 2 00:52:04 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

To my knowledge, auto-insurance is not "single-payer". Georgia mandates
that a person owning a vehicle have insurance, but there are many private
insurers offering policies.

One difference between auto and health insurance is that two or more
parties may be involved in the same incident. For instance, a two-car
collision. Who will pay who? It may be one insurer or both depending on the
specifics.

Off that, I had a friend who worked in the investment side of one of the
larger auto-insurers. During his career there was a time when this
insurance company realized it was covering too many people, insomuch that
they often found themselves in insurer of all the parties involved in a
given accident.

I've been paying car insurance premiums for decades - decades! *g* I've
only have cause to put a claim forth twice: once for hail damage and once
for a cracked windshield (road debris). I was once rear-ended at a
stoplight, but the other person's insurance covered it. I once was forced
on an interstate at 65-mph and went down an embankment. Fortunately there
was no damage other that a lot of grass caught in the hubcaps. Drove away
from that one. :)

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 00:17:02 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I checked the news today, no one has been fired. We should have one of those signs that say 'xxx days since last accident' or something.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 2 00:03:27 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Is Auto Insurance single-payer insurance and would that model work for health care?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 1 23:02:54 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the female robot in 'I Was Made to Love You'?
Answer: April


Trivia Masters: OldManFan
Trivia Comedians: Agent Cooper and Maverick!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 1 20:36:10 2017 4.28.180.2)
CORDELIA
(to Giles)

I swear one of these days you're going to wake up in a coma.


From third season's Gingerbread


WG



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Maverick says:
(Tue Aug 1 20:26:21 2017 69.244.158.94)
DaddyCatALSO: I know nothing about "Midnight, Texas," although I would imagine anyone who's a fan of "Buffy" would be at least interested. (And, I agree--I like "Scorpion" very much.) I think there's only around 10 episodes in this first season of "Midnight, Texas." The premise reminds me somewhat of Winter Haven, Florida, where all the Carnival Folk (and freaks) live in the off-season.


R.I.P. Sam Shepard


Maverick


Expressway




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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 1 20:24:26 2017 165.225.38.83)
Maverick: 7/3rds of the population don't understand how grammar works.

I hated the whole idea of Riverdale when Netflix announced it. I thought, "why does absolutely EVERYTHING have to be re-invented as all dark and edgy?"

But having watched it, it's actually pretty good. It wasn't what I expected.

My wife saw Midnight Texas the other night and she really liked it.

Wolfguard: Oh yeah, that's right, Xander's illness was due to a curse. But I still count that as illness.

And Charisma got her line wrong, obviously. She says "I can't see" but it should have been "I Think I'm Okay!" :-)

Ripper got knocked out many, many times - at least once an ep. Sometimes twice an ep. I think he spends 7/3rds of the series unconscious.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Aug 1 19:21:52 2017 199.127.148.10)
Maverick I sort of flipped back and forth between the premiere and the Scorpion rerun, and then watched last night's ep. Not bad. I've read one of the novels (it's her current series) and it didn't impress me heavily.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Aug 1 19:00:57 2017 69.244.158.94)
Trivia Girl: Missy Roboto.


Christopher Marlowe: Yay! Scaramucci was recommended by Ivanka and Jared, who are closet Liberals. Scaramucci was NOT in any way Conservative. Ironically he got rid of Priebus (Yay!) for supposed Leaking, but Scaramucci was leaking himself when he got exposed by his supposed friend at "The New Yorker." Good riddance to him and his filthy mouth. But, sadly, we may never learn if he could do the Fandango. AND, to me, "the Mooch" will always be Michelle Obama.


Agent Cooper: I beg to differ with your statement, "7/3rds of the population don't understand how fractions work." It should be: 7/3rds of the population doesn't understand how fractions work.


Charlaine Harris, the lady who created the "True Blood" HBO TV Series, also had a book series called "Midnight, Texas" and NBC has been running it, the Pilot Episode was on 7/24/17 and last night (7/31/17) they showed Episode #2. I haven't watched any of it yet but am surprised none of you have either. But I DID bother to find out how I could watch the Pilot AND Episode #2. You can still catch up by going to Midnight, Texas. If you have an Add-Blocker attached to your Browser (Firefox, for instance), you may be stopped from playing the Episodes and have to restart Firefox in Safe-Mode to watch it.


So many of you have admired "Riverdale" that, despite the fact that from what I've heard elsewhere it did not sound good to me, I may try to catch up (or at least watch the DVD's of Season One before Season Two premieres.


Maverick


Vehicle




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 1 18:34:19 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I am sad that we will not be able to talk about the 'Mooch' anymore, just a great nickname! Kelly doesn't seem to be nearly as fun.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 1 18:18:04 2017 71.56.125.67)
Giles. Rupert Giles. Or as he was known at Watchers' Candidate School, Helmet-Head (5:30 into video)

*g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 1 17:58:05 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Your, Not even long enough to rate a parody on Saturday Night Live. LOL! They'll do something on the Mooch this weekend. *g*


Agent Cooper,

Xander had been cursed in Pangs.

Cordelia was impaled by, what looked like, rebar in Lovers Walk. This was the only time in the series where I experienced an adrenaline dump from the shock of the plot. The impalement scene ended with Cordy saying ~ I can't see ~ and the scene fading to another of a burial in a cemetery! ... and after a few words from the pastor, Buffy and Willow walk into the foreground, ~ So Cordelia will be alright?

EVIL

*g*


Also, Giles got knocked out several times. There's a blooper film of the scene where the rogue watcher, Gwen?, hits Giles in the head from behind. During the filming ASH responds prematurely and apologizes to the crew. Whoever put together the blooper proceeds to loop the scene half a dozen or more times. BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP!

*g*


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Aug 1 15:49:02 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - April.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 1 15:45:24 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl: Rosy!

She could feign a human relationship with you PLUS dust, do laundry and play planet poker or jupiter gin!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 1 15:08:17 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the female robot in 'I Was Made to Love You'?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Aug 1 14:37:08 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper I once wrote a poem (in the sukoshioto form I devised0 about Tara watching a certain specific episode of *Cold Case* (presumably on DVD.)

wolfguard A point (well you also read couple I sent/linked to you- don't recall my "post-Mephistopheles Arc Buffy" as a character in t those either.)

Christopher Marlowe That is the question on my mind; how far does Slayer healing go? Does she always recover completely from anything which doesn't kill her? Well, likely she can't grow back a n amputation.
What I had her go through was damage that likely would have killed her without immediate help; Buffy is in agonal breathing before Tara casts some healing spells, but these just barely stabilize her. When the witches and the vamp trio arrive in the cave, Buffy is down with serious wounds; her left arm and right leg are little more than lengths of bone. (Once they do get her to the hospital, Dawn has a huge fight with t he doctors and Hank about amputation.)



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 1 12:03:34 2017 165.225.38.83)
Oh yeah, forgot Anya.

She probably watches the markets obsessively on her phone. If she's home watching the tube she probably has something like Fox Business Channel, Mad Money, or Shark Tank on.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 1 11:58:31 2017 165.225.38.83)
Deadguy Question: TV Shows the Scoobies would like:

Buffy - American Ninja Warrior

Xander - This Old House

Willow - I don't see her watching much TV. But most likely watches documentaries when she does.

Cordelia - Riverdale.

Angel - Probably watches musicals from the classic Hollywood Studio days, 40s and 50s.

Fred - Probably watches esoteric mathematical lectures on youtube.

Gunn - Sports mostly. He's a man's man.

Lorne - He probably watches with Angel, as above. They probably make a man date once a year to watch "Singin' in the Rain." Angel swears Lorne to secrecy on pain of death.

Giles - Strictly a book guy, barely owns a TV. But in my mind, I like to believe he secretly got hooked on Passions while Spike was there, in spite of himself. He would never admit this to anybody, least of all himself.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 1 11:53:04 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Tuesday, August 1st 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Demonic TeddyBear
gazoo
Nad_the_Lurker
Noshferatu
Pippin
Willow Wannabe

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Demonic Teddy Bear, gazoo, Nad the lurker, Noshferatu, Pippin, Willow Wannabe!



Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me. 'Habeas Corpses'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 1 11:46:15 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay elreyn24!

deadguy qod


Xander is hooked on those home improvement shows, mostly so he can critique them.

I can see Anya all over those financial shows that tell you how to increase your wealth.

Perhaps Buffy, Dawn and Willow would be addicted to soaps!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 1 11:41:36 2017 165.225.38.83)
Wolfguard: Actually now that I'm thinking about it, Xander got really sick once too in the Thanksgiving ep. And then Cordy got hurt in the warehouse and suffered some visible lasting effects from that. (Emotional AND physical. :-)

But that was it I think for lasting illness or injury on the show. Which is miraculous considering the grave danger the gang was in every Tuesday.

In the official BTVS Role Playing Game, you can take on the role of a slayer, a vampire, a sorcerer....any kind of character you want from the Buffyverse.

There's also a character called a "white hat" wwich is your every day ordinary scooby gang member - IE, an average every day person who has become aware of the vamp world wants to help.

So in a world filled with super strong and fast vamps and fire breathing demons, how does a normal human being with no mystical powers or abilities survive more than five minutes?

White Hats get a special power they can invoke, it's called "I Think I'm Okay." (It's really titled that.) It lets the White Hat automatically recover from what would normally be serious or fatal injuries.

It mimics the old TV trope perfectly, as it was used so many times on the show. So say in the course of a game, a vampire throws your white hat character off the top of a five story building. Normally an average human would take a massive amount damage, and the character would be dead. But a white hat can invoke the rule:

"Actually, that dumpster broke my fall. I think I'm okay."

He gets up and dusts himself off Xander style and goes about his day.

:-)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Aug 1 11:35:01 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for elreyn24

yay elreyn24!

todays deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale t.v. best channels for cooking, gardening, and emergency medicine

what current show are the scoobies addicted to?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 1 03:10:02 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I read about that earlier today. 10 days on the job and he's out. I think that is a new world record. Not even long enough to rate a parody on Saturday Night Live.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 1 02:00:47 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Tue Aug 1 02:05:52 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

All the scoobies seemed to have remarkably good health.

ETA This is beyond silliness. Just went to CNN online. "Breaking News"

SCARRAMUCHI OUT


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 1 01:50:57 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard That is true. They've adjusted her powers based on story needs, a time-tested solution for many a show. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 1 01:24:26 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Tue Aug 1 01:26:21 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Depending on the needs to the story. *g*

Recall Buffy's first confrontation with Glory in No Place Like Home?
After Glory had bounced Buffy off the wall a few times and once 'bowled'
her across the floor, Buffy grabbed the Monk and leaped out of a window to
fall several stories to the ground (and used her own body to cushion the
impact for the Monk). What did she do next? Went home to apologize and
comfort Dawn.

Skip ahead a year and a half to Seeing Red. After getting tossed
into a tombstone, Buffy went home for a hot bath. Why the difference? Cause
the writers had different needs.

In No Place Like Home they needed to show the disparity between
Glory and Buffy's strengths. Once established, they needed Buffy to escape
with the Monk - receive the revelation - and then go home and take up the
mantle of protecting Dawn. In Seeing Red they wanted Buffy
vulnerable. And what better place for that in the home than the bathroom?

ETA And to get her to the bathroom they had her tossed into a tombstone.
How Buffy aged in that year and a half. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 1 00:36:27 2017 64.179.155.24)
DaddyCatALSO, wolfguard Buffy has speedier healing powers? So depending on her foe, having a limp or stiff arm may or may not happen or remain long.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 1 00:07:24 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What were the first names of the Bobbsey Twins?
answer: nan, bert, flossie and Freddie

Who names their kid flossie?

Trivia name-checkers: notsoShyGirl
Trivia nameless: Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 31 23:21:40 2017 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

I've only read those of your fics that were submitted to Algerina's
summer contests. I don't recall Buffy being in that state in any of those.

WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jul 31 19:36:18 2017 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Interesting that, however many times you have needled me over serial resurrections or for Jared and other first-person narrator characters in my fics, you have never questioned my having Buffy with a limp and stiff arm. cc Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 31 18:11:28 2017 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Mon Jul 31 18:53:16 2017
Agent Cooper,

You're correct. The teaser began with the scoobies in the cemetery. I believe Willow and the others were telling Buffy she didn't need to be there, but the Angelus matter was haunting her (The episode immediately followed Passion). Speak of the Angelus, there he appeared. Fighty fight. Angelus puts Buffy down, but the others step in with their crosses (as I recall). Angelus stalks off and they run Buffy to the hospital.

It's in her first day or night there that she has the dreams and sees the Kindestod. It's not till she recovers from the flu that she realizes why she and the sick kids were the only ones able to see him. With that insight she opts to reinfect herself.

Promo for Killed by Death Ah, those halcyon nights. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 31 18:05:06 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper My Pac-people! I miss playing that game~



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jul 31 16:42:18 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl: Inky, Blinky, Pinky and Clyde



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jul 31 16:28:05 2017 76.120.26.241)
Trivia Girl
There were two sets of fraternal twins: Nan and Bert, who were 12 years old, and Flossie and Freddie, who were six



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 31 14:45:15 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What were the first names of the Bobbsey Twins?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Jul 31 14:36:43 2017 165.225.38.83)
Wolfguard: If I remember correctly, in "Killed by Death" Buffy was already very sick with the flu, which is how she ended up in the hospital. While she was there she stumbled onto the Kinderstod problem.

That always puzzled me. A slayer, getting sick? And this is the one and only time I remember Buffy ever being sick in the whole series.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jul 31 14:02:17 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for leather jacket!

yay leather jacket!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jul 31 13:06:12 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Monday, July 31st 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Brenna
The Confused One
Jayne
Lil
Lovely Poet

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Brenna, The Confused One, Jayne, Lil, Lovely Poet!



Travers: Perhaps you'll favor us with a demonstration while we're here. Buffy: You mean, like, right now? 'Cause, already had my recommended daily dose of fights tonight. 'Checkpoint'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 31 12:57:56 2017 64.179.155.24)
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 31 05:13:49 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Slayers have recuperative powers, so they would not likely need health insurance for injuries. I do not know how well the recuperative power works with respect to illnesses. The only case that immediately comes to mind is when Buffy deliberately infected herself in Killed By Death. She did so in able to see the Kindestod. She seemed to weather that illness well enough (to be fair, Willow stopped Buffy from drinking the pure stuff, saying it would kill her).

More to the point, Slayers die young. Consequently, they probably don't need health insurance.

WALLS

If they didn't work well enough, people wouldn't build them. The Berlin wall was built, because East Germany was losing people to West Berlin.1 Some people got through, most had second thoughts and make their peace with the East - for a few decades.

Personally, I believe a big wall - even big, beautiful wall - shows ignorance of the situation. Nevertheless, if one thinks the situation can be solved by making it difficult for people south of the border to get into the US, then there are probably places along the border where walls or similar barriers might be useful.


1 West Berlin was part of West Germany (Federal Republic of Germany),but was surrounded by East Germany (German Democratic Republic). If an East German could get into West Berlin they were free.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 31 01:49:54 2017 64.179.155.24)
Home after a good start to the topic 'women and the bible'



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 30 23:11:17 2017 64.179.155.24)
and now i'm off to my weekly discussion group! Stay cool everyone!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 30 20:50:57 2017 70.198.38.60)
I am enjoying a lazy afternoon



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jul 30 12:58:47 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Sunday, July 30 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Boy Wonder
Coma Girl
FallenAngelxyz
Kinsey730
Phil

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Boy Wonder, Coma Girl, FallenAngelxyz!



And what's the fun in becoming an immortal demon if you're not regular, am I right?
The Mayor, 'Graduation Day (1)


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 30 00:29:50 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I wonder what kind of health car plan slayers could get.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 29 23:14:21 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard A wall similar to the great wall and/or the berlin way never really kept anyone in or/out completely. I just stubbornly believe it is just flushing money down the toilet.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 29 19:01:26 2017 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sat Jul 29 19:04:29 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

One has to look at the terrain. Switzerland doesn't need many walls, the Netherlands might (consider the **** system a wall against the sea).ETA

Where US-Mexican urban areas are contiguous to each other, a wall/barrier might be needed. OTOH, wide desert areas might be better protected with sensors and rapid-reaction forces.


ETA To quote Angel to Buffy, ~ D-yke. It's another word for dam. (to which Buffy replied, ~ Now that story makes so much more sense.)

Bonus Points: How had Buffy thought the story went, i.e. the little boy with his finger in the ______ ?


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jul 29 14:52:14 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Saturday, July 29th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Amarra
closeyoureyes
LittleDemon
poohbeee
Rufus
sassyeggs
sunshineprincess

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Amarra, closeyoureyes, LittleDemon, poohbee, Rufus, sassyeggs, sunshineprincess!



Well, a gathering is brie, mellow song stylings; shindig, dip, less mellow song stylings, perhaps a large amount of malt beverage, and hootenanny, well, it's chock full of hoot, just a little bit of nanny. Oz, 'Dead Man's Party'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 29 14:22:42 2017 64.179.155.24)
Good morning beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 29 04:06:35 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I can't see how a border wall like that can ever be effective.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 29 03:55:32 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Not necessarily. First, many people with knowledge of the situation believe
there are sections of the border deserving of a wall and other sections not.
So Trump can say he listened and accepted such advise. Second, the next
president might conclude the wall is good policy and finish it.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 29 02:39:00 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard It looks like Trump got some funding for his border wall. It certainly can't be built within four years and if Trump doesn't get relected, it will be a boondoggle.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 29 02:30:38 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Perhaps the lesson they learn is to seize the opportunity to enact desired
laws before you lose power, because more likely than not the laws will be hard
to undo. *g* Seriously, it does seem laws are difficult to repeal, though the
specific policies implementing them may be more amenable to change.

For instance, laws and policies can be enacted towards this or that public
objective, but when the parties switch-out the new PTB can redirect the focus
and funds. Again, do what you can while in power and work hard to stay in
power.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 29 01:34:37 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard I'm sure they did. It seems neither party learned their lesson.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 29 00:47:40 2017 4.28.180.2)
"Prevention of Illness"1

"...The promotion of good health and the prevention of illness encompass
three distinct levels or strategies..."

1. Improvement in the standard of living. (Example: job creation)

2. Public health interventions to reduce the incidence of illness in the
population. (Example: water purification systems)

3. Preventive medical care performed by health care providers. (Example:
screening and treatment of hypertension)


The First Epidemiologic Revolution

"Until modern times, the conditions that produced the greatest amount of
illness and death in the population were infectious diseases. The initial
decline of infectious disease mortality rates took place even before the
cause of the illnesses was understood ... (improvement in) food production
... as a result of improved nutrition that allowed individuals,
particularly children, to resist infectious agents ...

In the nineteeth century, scientists and public health practitioners
discovered many of the agents causing infectious diseases ... (such as
bacteria and viruses) ... risk factors (eg, poverty, overcrowding, poor
nutrition, and contaminated water) associated with these illnesses, public
health measures (such as water purification, sewage disposal, and
pasteurization of milk) were implemented that drastically reduced their
incidence ....

Considering infectious diseases as a group, however, medical measures
probably accounted for less than 5% of the decrease in mortality rates for
these conditions (infectious diseases) over the past century."


The Second Epidemiologic Revolution

"Fifty years ago, epidemiologists did not understand the causes of
noninfectious diseases. Unable to prevent the occurrence of these diseases,
we retreated to the second line of defense, namely, early detection and
treatment - so-called secondary prevention ... has - with few exceptions -
proved disappointing; it cannot compare in effectiveness with measures for
primary prevention. The periodic physical examination, the cancer detection
center, multiphasic screening, and a host of variations on the theme have
incurred enormous expenditures for relatively modest benefits ...

... During the second epidemiologic revolution, it was learned that the
major illnesses in the United States have a few central causes and are in
large part preventable ... a surprisingly small number of risk factors are
implicated in 37% of these deaths (annual deaths nationwide) ...

(Goes on with specific numbers of deaths attributed to tobacco, high-fat
diet, and alcohol)

"...From 1980 to 2006, age-adjusted mortality rates for coronary heart
disease (CHD) declined by an astonishing 61%. This decline was associated
with reduced rates of tobacco use and lowered mean serum cholesterol levels
in the population ... this decline was in substantial part related to
public health interventions regarding smoking and diet...

"...As a rule, primary prevention using public health measures is far more
cost-effective than primary prevention through medical care; public health
measures do not require many millions of expensive one-to-one interactions
with medical care providers...

...If the three primary preventive measures known to reduce the incidence
of coronary heart disease, cancer, and stroke (ie, reduction in smoking,
cholesterol levels, and blood pressure) were intensified, the medical care
cost of these illnesses could be reduced by 50%. These three illnesses
account for 20% of personal health care costs in the United States and
reducing their incidence could yield a cost savings of billions of dollars
per year. HOWEVER, these savings are overstated because money saved by
preventing disease X will ultimately be spent on the treatment of disease Y
or Z, which will strike those people spared from disease X..."



1 Chapter 11 of Understanding Health Policy: a clincial
approach
by Bodeheimer and Grumbach, copyright 2012.


NOTE: (improvement in), (infectious diseases), (annual deaths nationwide)
are my edits for clarity. I also capitalized "HOWEVER".


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 29 00:03:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Many Republican legislators felt left out of the process by the Democrats as
they were writing the ACA (though I have a liberal/Democrat acquaintance who
swears Republicans had an opportunity to offer their views on the matter).

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 23:43:39 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Looks like it is back to the drawing board on health care. I noticed Mitch McConnell wonder what path the Democrats want now. Had this been a bipartisan effort, Mitch wouldn't have acted clueless about what the Dems want.



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jul 28 22:33:27 2017 24.3.106.169)
Agent Cooper - she was a very early poster on the original Bronze and a member of the PBP committee. When that board closed (it was owned by the WB), she and Artie opened the Bronze Beta.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 21:59:21 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper WE just had a co-worker basically walk-off the job this morning. Geez.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jul 28 19:11:07 2017 165.225.38.83)
Oldmanfan: So, how did she get connected with the Bronze then? Is she a former poster?

This is so mysterious! It's sort of like working for an unknown protagonist that you never get to meet. I feel like one of Charlie's Angels!*

Except, you know, that I'm a dude. And not very Angelic.

*or one of Lostinamerica's "employees."

Trivia Girl: Any resemblance to the Actual Trivia Girl is purely coincidental, and highly unlikely. All Trivia Girl impersonations are done ---poorly--- by Agent Cooper, who is merely an enthusiastic young man with a 12th grade education and no formal training in trivia question presentation or verification.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 28 17:46:56 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper Hey! Are you taking my job or something?

Hmphs..thank you anyways. ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 28 17:31:08 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

OldManFan,

Thank you. :)


Lostinamerica,

I do intend to reply to your last post to me on healthcare cost. I keep circling around it. *g*


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Jul 28 15:19:19 2017 165.225.38.83)
Lostinamerica: "suburban housewife" Ha! That's rich.

Friday Trivia:
There a sixteen oozes in a lib.

7/3rds of the population don't understand how fractions work.

Statistical surveys prove that most statistical surveys are false.

If you laid every working prostitute in Bankok end to end ---- it would cost you a fortune!

*rimshot*



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jul 28 13:02:59 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--Always getting blamed for people disappearing *sigh*.
And me a little suburban housewife. . .


Yay! Cashmere!


Belated Yay! Catriona!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jul 28 12:54:29 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Friday, July 28th 2017 C.E.

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays!


ACOLYTE
Amaltheia
atalantis
baby2
Cthulhu
Fate_Blaze
greengirl
Heather
Jubilee
Kaseyk
Serendipity

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ACOLYTE, Amaltheia, atalantis, baby2, Cthulhu, Fate Blaze, greengirl, Heather, jubile, Kaseyk, Serendipity!



You always think harder is better. Maybe next time I patrol, I should carry bricks and use a stake made out of butter.Buffy, 'Blood Ties''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 12:45:36 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay cashmere!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 28 11:04:26 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for cashmere!

yay cashmere!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 03:30:18 2017 64.179.155.24)
This has been quite the remarkable day in Congress and the White House today/tonight. I haven't seen this kind of drama in years.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 01:55:22 2017 64.179.155.24)
Agent Cooper No volunteering at events for me this weekend! I may be traveling to the Days of 76 rodeo in Deadwood this weekend, but that would be more of a business trip than for pleasure.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 28 01:02:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
I am finally home!



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 22:14:02 2017 24.3.106.169)
Agent Cooper - Phoenix very rarely posts and usually only if there is an issue.

OMF



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 19:57:28 2017 165.225.38.83)
I've been thinking. Does Phoenix ever post on here? I've never seen her post. She is, after all, the one that makes this all possible.

Without her generosity, none of you could benefit from my peerless wisdom and matchless repartee.

:-p



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 19:05:20 2017 24.3.106.169)
wolfguard - ie QOD, good choice.

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 18:34:35 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Belated Yay Catriona!

Belated Yay Irene Adler!


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


What term, character name, or place from BtVS/AtS do you still have trouble spelling?

The place where the Fang Gang went for the 2nd season three-episode finale.



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Various individuals over the years have been known as "America's Sweetheart". Who do you think could currently be considered "America's Sweetheart"?

Kristen Bell!

Or she should be. *g*



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 18:14:30 2017 165.225.38.83)
Chris Marlowe - Not if she got mixed up in Lostinamerica's "activities." She may already have a new identity and been taken off the grid.

For this weekend, I'm trying to get my game group together but now that looks like it isn't happening. We meet once or twice a month. Any more often is hard with jobs and kids and lives etc. So now I'm not sure.

What are you up to? No volunteering this weekend?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 17:58:25 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper Not sure where she went, I'm sure she'll surface sometime. Are you doing anything this weekend?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 16:28:47 2017 165.225.38.83)
Chris Marlowe: The way they keep throwing curve balls, I bet Veronica's Dad will be played by Ted Nugent. Or maybe David Lee Roth. Heh. :-)

Trivia Girl: The SON of the Invisible Man. It was a very special role for him, telling his dad's story.

Hey, where's Notsoshygirl?



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jul 27 16:02:59 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - Claude Rains.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 27 15:06:13 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Movies
Question: Who played the Invisible man in Invisible Man?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 27 13:07:00 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Thursday, January 27th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


BUFFY_FRAY
jinx
Shanell
slayGal730
SupraMonkey

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy_Fray, jinx, Shanell, slaygal730, Supramonkey!



Wesley: And how does your kind define love? Demon: Same as all bodies. Same as everywheres. Love is sacrifice.'Sacrifice'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 27 11:09:44 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for greeneyes!

yay greeneyes!


Happy CD Thursday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 03:01:29 2017 64.179.155.24)
Agent Cooper I'm really curious about Veronica's dad. One cool thing about the show is the parents are as interesting as the kids.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:58:20 2017 100.4.183.212)
CM -- Kinda neat how they got Molly Ringwald on
the show. That was a pleasant surprise.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:38:58 2017 64.179.155.24)
Agent Cooper I pretty much said that in ever single episode of Riverdale. I dont' think I've said that about any show other than Buffy.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:31:11 2017 100.4.183.212)
Up to ep 12 of Riverdale.

I did NOT see THAT coming. Holy crap!



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Comma says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:15:50 2017 75.143.154.113)
The first step to real US Healthcare is to do away with ambulance chasing lawyers and have all health care cases go to arbitration. The second step to real US Healthcare is to do away with review boards made up of doctors. You do not have prisoners on a parole board so why only have doctors on a medical review broad? Yes there needs to be at least one doctor, or medically trained person on each board, but the board does not need to be controlled, as it is in most states, by persons who have the same profession as the person being reviewed. The third step is to make all elected officials have to use the same healthcare as the general population.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 01:05:07 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

In the magazine they showed two list side-by-side, animals on the left and
group label on the right. "Lizard" was next to "Cloud". I find that a more
interesting pair, "A cloud of lizards". *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 27 00:48:59 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Some pairings were
obvious, like lounge for lizard.
*g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 27 00:31:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Spot-On!

that is all

*g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 23:54:09 2017 64.179.155.24)
a cloud of bats
a wake of comorants
a prickle of porcupines
a lounge of lizards
a congregation of turkey vultures
a parliament of owls
a gulp of alligators
a sleuth of bears



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 26 23:48:07 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel turn into in 'Smile Time'?
Answer: puppet

Trivia Masters: no one!
Trivia Comedian: Maverick!

Fake Trivia Girl I will take up that challenge!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 26 21:27:16 2017 69.244.158.94)
DaddyCatALSO: No, I suggested thinking about it more than half-a-second. The percent of CO2 is not fixed but varies by how much Water Vapor is in the air. If Water Vapor is taken into consideration the overall percentages of other greenhouse gases go way down. If the humidity is 100%, it rains. The humidity over the U.S. is never Zero. It is not irrelevant; it is the MOST relevant. Here's the way the mix looks when Water Vapor is included. Leaving Water Vapor out of the calculation is a favorite trick of the Alarmists to emphasize CO2's contribution to Global Warming. Let me ask you a question that will point out the heating effect of Water Vapor. You live in the north; have you ever been told, on a Winter's night, it's too cold to snow? Translated (from back@ssward): You need clouds to snow and with no clouds it gets much colder much faster as the clouds will hold in the heat but without the clouds, the heat of the day dissipates into outer space. You also see this on most Weather Reports where it's generally warmer when there is cloud cover to hold in the heat.


Maverick


Hips Don't Lie




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 26 19:47:06 2017 199.127.148.10)
Maverick " Water vapor is by far the most significant greenhouse gas."

Irrelevant. Water vapor is a varying atmospheric component, with temperature and other things constantly changing it. Carbon dioxide has a fixed percentage, and fossil fuels add it to the air.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 18:40:35 2017 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Wed Jul 26 18:43:07 2017
Fake_Trivia Girl Here,


Here are some animals ...

alligators
turkey vultures
cormorants
bats
bears
lizards
porcupines
owls

And here are the words used to describe a collection of each ...

parliament
sleuth
prickle
congregation
gulp
cloud
wake
lounge


Match them up!

(pairings provided courtesy of the September issue of Backpacker


WG



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 26 18:28:28 2017 69.244.158.94)
Truvia Girl: A bar. Angel was walking down the street and turned into a bar for some True Blood.


They're crazy. They are studying the possibility of building industrial plants to suck greenhouse gasses out of the air to eliminate global warming. Let's think about this for more than half-a-second. In 1960 there were 3 billion people on the planet, today there are over 7 billion. (Talk aboot a hockey stick!!) 4 billion more people at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit (let's round it off to 100 degrees each) has added 400 billion degrees Fahrenheit of warming to our planet's surface (YOU do the math.) The temperature at the surface of the sun is only 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit and at the core of the sun 27 million degrees Fahrenheit. And all these extra people breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide. Constantly. They produce a hell of a lot of NEW CO2 and have, of course, added to the concentrations. Now, you may say that all those new hot bodies on earth are so widely dispersed that they have very little net effect, and I would agree BUT mention that the concentrations of CO2 are likewise. NOT COUNTING WATER VAPOR, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 400 parts per MILLION molecules of air. That's like 40 parts per 100,000 or 4 parts per 10,000. The humidity percentage is far more consequential. Have you ever been out in the rain on a Summer day and felt how HOT the rain was? Water vapor is by far the most significant greenhouse gas.


Maverick


Kiss Me




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jul 26 16:51:45 2017 199.127.148.10)
Christopher Marlowe I think they just called that trio The Furies, for some reason.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 26 15:02:12 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What did Angel turn into in 'Smile Time'?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 14:01:50 2017 205.141.67.16)
Today is Wednesday, July 26th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!



Falcata
seaside
Silver Star

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Falcata, seaside and Silver Star!



Hell, I don't know. If I had wanted schooling, I'da gone to school.Jayne, 'Ariel'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jul 26 13:13:46 2017 70.198.35.151)
The birthdays will be delayed as
windows updating is still running
on my computer.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 12:54:28 2017 70.198.35.151)
Dang windows updates!!

Yay catronia!

Deadguy qod

Kakistos takes me a few second to
remember to spell. I forget what
that female trio who cast the
nonviolent spell on caritas were
called.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jul 26 11:17:37 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for catriona!

yay catriona!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale dictionary - knowledge is power

what term, character name, or place from btvs/angel do you still have trouble spelling?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 02:46:05 2017 4.28.180.2)
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care Systems"1

The Challenge

"The health care system has been dominated by a series of unstable power
relationships among purchasers, insurers, providers, and suppliers. One of
these actors may take center stage for a time, only to be pushed into the
corner by another actor. Which entity has the leverage to get its way
varies from city to city, depending on who has consolidated into larger
institutions. Larger institutions ca (in the case of producers and
suppliers) demand to receive more money, or (in the case of purchasers and
insurers) succeed in paying out less money. Patients continue to be at the
mercy of these powerful institutions, as health care costs rise and as
individuals bear a greater share of those costs ...

...The drive to make money - whether for specialists physicians, for-profit
and nonprofit hospitals, insurers, or pharmaceutical companies -
increasingly determines what happens in health care. For physicians, this
economic motivation may clash with the professional commitment to patient
welfare. The commitment of all health care professionals to the ethical
principles of beneficence, nonmaleficence, patient autonomy, and
distributive justice is tested on a daily basis in the profit-oriented
environment of twenty-first century health care in America..."

(This ends the excerpts)


1Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 26 02:01:03 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Here now.

"Six down. Forty-two to go."


*g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 01:27:57 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Are you around?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 26 00:24:13 2017 64.179.155.24)
I am hereabouts and discovered Scaramucchi is apparently triggering 'Bohemian Rhapsody'



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 25 22:34:32 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What writer sang about getting a ticket in 'Once More With Feeling'?
Answer: Marti Noxon

Trivia Cops: OldManFan
Trivia Robbers: AGent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 22:05:41 2017 64.179.155.24)
Agent Cooper No plans to replace her yet, as the company is doing a site review of all the satellite offices. So it's gonna suck for a while, but I won't have it as bad as my boss, who is already overloaded and now will have to assume some of the duties of the person who is leaving.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:45:12 2017 165.225.38.83)
Chris Marlowe: That sucks! Are they going to hire a new person?

Our sales numbers are down. On top of that my counterpart is retiring on Friday. Another team member has volunteered to take over that job but she'll need alot of help for a while. Also, a salesperson just quit. So I'll have to do that person's job till they hire somebody or just close that position. I'm rooting for option B.

So my life is going to be pretty interesting for a few weeks at least, doing essentially 3 jobs.

And by "interesting" I mean "miserable."



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:28:27 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - Marti Noxon sans underwear.

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 18:13:31 2017 205.141.67.16)
Agent Cooper Is the week starting off well?

WE are losing a person in our department, in the middle of a very big project, so everyone is not particularly happy with assuming a bigger workload.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Jul 25 16:54:15 2017 165.225.38.83)
Trivia Girl: Ernest Hemingway


And just like Hemingway
He showed me anyway.
You can be a hero,
all you have to know is what to say.
-Blue Clocks Green



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jul 25 14:52:16 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What writer sang about getting a ticket in 'Once More With Feeling'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jul 25 12:01:22 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Tuesday, July 25th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Grinn
Natty
Sassyeggs
Superrmk

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Grinn, Natty, Sassyeggs, Superrmkturtle!



Wash: You want a slinky dress? I can buy you a slinky dress. Captain, can I have money for a slinky dress? Jayne: I'll chip in. Zoe: I can hurt you.'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:51:50 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay irene adler!

deadguy qod

I still have a soft spot in my heart for Julia Roberts!

If we are talking Buffy, that would be Tara.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:43:12 2017 73.58.128.92)
Yay! Irene Adler!


Belated Happy Birthday dirty
socks!



Belated Yay! octoquad!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jul 25 11:18:40 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for irene adler

yay irene adler!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

titles 'r us - want a title, we have plenty to hand out

various individuals over the years have been known as "america's sweetheart". who do you think could currently be considered "america's sweetheart"?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jul 25 05:23:32 2017 69.244.158.94)
Why Socialism Fails.


Christopher Marlowe: Have you heard the radio public service message (or maybe it's a commercial) about prior armed services personnel being diagnosed with PTSD and how many commit suicide and the potential helping treatment of providing them with a service dog. Dogs really ARE man's (and woman's) best friend.


Maverick


Tuesday Afternoon




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 02:05:38 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've come across that line of reasoning. To me, suicide often seems to be a
means to different ends. Unbearable physical pain, absolving personal
disgrace, striking an enemy as a way to eternal life, ending teen-age
bullying, a soldier falling on a grenade to save his buddies, sparing family
the further cost of your aging, and the like.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 01:25:50 2017 67.158.25.23)
Wolfguard

I was reading an article about
about suicide. Part of the article
mentioned a trend of disconnection,
people do not have as many strong
real life social bonds as in times
past and that is leading to more
'death by despair'



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 01:21:30 2017 4.28.180.2)
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care Systems"1

The New Millennium: Provider Power Re-Emerges (cont'd)

"The Pharmaceutical Industry Comes Under Criticism"

"...In 1988, prescription drugs accounted for 5.5% of national health
expenditures. With 71% of drug costs borne out of pocket by individuals and
only 18% paid by private insurance plans, these costs had little impact on
insurance. In contrast, by 2009, prescription cost had risen to 10.1% of
total health expenditures, with only 21% paid out of pocket, the rest
covered by employers, insurers, and governmental purchasers...

...For years, drug companies have been the most profitable industry in the
United States, earning net profits after taxes close to 20% of revenues
compared with 5% for all Fortune 500 firms...

...R&D for the largest drug companies consumed 14% of revenues in 2002,
while marketing and administration accounted for 33% and after-tax net
profits 21%...

...From 2006 to 2008, the health industry spent more money on lobbying than
any other sector of the economy, and the drug industry was the largest
contributor with the health industry...

...some drug companies ... have paid generic drug manufacturers not to
market generic alternatives...

...Four out of five physicians have some type of financial relationship
with the pharmaceutical industry...

...Private health insurance companies have mounted the most effective
response to the drug industry by creating tiered formularies in which
generic drugs have lower copayments than brand-name drugs. As a resultf,
75% of all prescriptions filled in the United States in 2009 were for
generic products. This development has slowed the rate of growth of
pharmaceutical costs. However, some brand-name drug companies are starting
to produce generics, and the generic industry is starting to consolidate
into fewer and larger companies; these trends could mean that generic
prices may rise to levels not far below brand name prices..."

(This is one reason why the answer to innovation through competition may
not happen. Instead of deploying money to compete, money is deployed to
purchase the competition.)


1Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jul 25 00:53:33 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Requires pondering.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jul 25 00:28:25 2017 67.158.25.23)
Wolfguard

Thanks for the songs!

Is the a good theme song for Buffy
aside from the opening theme?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 24 23:17:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: The Body
Question: What is the act of 'NICTITATION'?
Answer: Winking or blinking

Trivia Winkin, Blinkin and Nod: notsoShyGirl!
Triva comedians: wolfguard!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 24 18:12:35 2017 71.56.125.67)
Monday, Monday - The Mamas & The Papas


Manic Monday - The Bangles



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 24 18:08:38 2017 205.141.67.16)
just another manic Monday, I wish it were still Sunday.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jul 24 17:39:51 2017 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Shocking question for a family board, given "Nic" is British slang for "steal". ;-)

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Jul 24 17:22:56 2017 76.120.26.241)
Trivia Girl
Winking



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jul 24 14:43:48 2017 205.141.67.16)
Edited: Mon Jul 24 14:44:23 2017
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: The Body
Question: What is the act of 'NICTITATION'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:55:11 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Monday, July 24th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Alyiania
BiffyBuffy
Dirty Socks
Kalika


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alyiania, BiffyBuffy, Dirty Socks, Kalika



This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right? Dawn, 'Listening to Fear'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:46:42 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay octoquad!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jul 24 11:27:26 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for octoquad!

yay octoquad!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 22:18:15 2017 64.179.155.24)
Comma That would be something to see for sure!



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Comma says:
(Sun Jul 23 19:26:06 2017 75.143.154.113)
Trivial Girl: I have seen a bull, of the cow type, that weight a little over a ton, jump a six foot fence. God help us if a bull Elephant could jump.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Jul 23 17:04:27 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Lostinamerica,

Haven't forgotten. Diagramming your reasoning on health care costs.

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jul 23 15:34:22 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Sunday July 23rd 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia Chase
Misty Mage
NJ Wicca
Sententia
Sufi
YOUNGBOB

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Charisma Carpenter, Misty Mage, NJ Wicca, Sententia, Sufi, YOUNGBOB!



! kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him. Buffy, 'Faith, Hope & Trick'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 14:20:32 2017 64.179.155.24)
Good morning beta!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 03:03:36 2017 64.179.155.24)
and I am back home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jul 23 00:12:27 2017 70.198.53.12)
At a friend's house,burgers are on
the grill!

Everyone enjoy your night!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 18:55:06 2017 70.198.32.194)
Late morning in drive by

Combining a bit of work through
tourism!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jul 22 14:34:28 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Saturday, July 22nd 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Jai
piedog
Spikette
Undead

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Jai, piedog, Spikette, Undead!



Yeah, but you're an amateur fry cook and I come from a long line of fry cooks that don't live past 25.Buffy, 'Doomed'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 13:25:03 2017 71.56.125.67)
Early Morning Drive-By
Night person. *g*

Woken up. Up. Post.

Lostinamerica,

Read, will ponder and reply later today. *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

Absolutely understand your position. If the problem is fear of some given legislation being past, then one might well hope a president is incompetent. *g* OTOH, if the 3 o'clock in the morning phone call happens - remember that ad? *g* - then one might want a competent person answering the phone.

Some folks complain that President Trump has given the military too wide a rein, but I'd feel more comfortable with Mattis or McMaster answering that call, than Trump. And Mattis is now, technically, a civilian, i.e. retired from the USMC.

Often people assume military leaders first, even desired, option is force. This is far from the reality. Many, if not most, caution the use of force. I believe Mattis said if the Department of State is not well-funded, then he will need more funds for ammo.

WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jul 22 12:08:23 2017 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--Yes, the focus has been to provide health care to as many
Americans as possible. If that's your only goal, you could easily craft a bill
to accomplish that. But if you also want to rein in health care costs, that
really complicates things. I never got the impression quality of care was an
issue, except for the low quality of care people without health insurance get.

The main problem I see is basic economics. You want to give more people health
insurance. Since most people get their health insurance through work, that
means the people without health insurance aren't working or are working at a
job level where insurance isn't covered by an employer (I'm leaving out any
self-employed people who may not have insurance due to the high cost). How is
someone who isn't working or working at a high enough level going to be able to
afford the health insurance cost born by employers? They can't, so then who
pays that cost--it gets spread among those who are able to pay and health care
costs rise. I just don't see a way around this very basic fact. If you want
to cover people who can't bear the cost, how can the cost NOT rise for those
who can?

And yes, that is a lengthy article :)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 03:19:22 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Bieber is a young man with great talents, but he has been adopting a 'bad boy' persona for quiet some time. Like many a young man, he will not likely to listen to his betters and continue to be adored by many. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 02:03:47 2017 70.198.38.69)
Wolfguard

I think pence would be a lot more
competent, however I fear he would
be too successful in passing
legislation I think is bad. So I
feel quite the conundrum as a
bleeding heart liberal.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 02:01:48 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

On a lighter note, China has banned Justin Bieber from performing in China,
because of bad behavior. According to the BBC (online) the Culture Bureau said
(in part?) ...

"Justin Bieber is a gifted singer, but he is also a controversial young
foreign singer"

"We hope that as Justin Bieber matures, he can continue to improve his own
words and actions, and truly become a singer beloved by the public,"


*g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 01:43:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

The Republican party assumed they had a president who would sign whatever they
sent him. Sometimes he seems to behave as if he would (~ I'm waiting here with
pen in hand for a bill) and other times not (~~ health care needs to be for
all (uber-paraphrasing here)). It may not matter sometimes, because the
Republican party is unable to get enough agreement among themselves to pass
some legislation.

For me, it's relatively simple. I disagreed with practically all of his
positions expressed during the primaries and general election. That said, I
don't want him to botch a major foreign policy crisis - which he shows himself
capable of doing - botching it up.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jul 22 01:26:27 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard Trump's administration is not particularly cohesive, but it does appear to reflect Trump himself.

I'm not sure what I want out the White House, right now.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jul 22 00:41:58 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

His experience is an example of one reason the President is having difficulty
finding enough people to fill his administration.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 23:34:47 2017 64.179.155.24)
home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 19:05:07 2017 205.141.67.16)
wolfguard Looks like Sean Spicer has quit. Wow.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Jul 21 19:04:31 2017 69.244.158.94)




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 18:41:27 2017 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Elephants can jump. They've just do it in the blink of an eye. *g*


Lostinamerica,

From a distance it appears to me that many of those involved in creating and enacting the ACA, aka Obamacare, had three main goals:

1 - Expand coverage

2 - Control costs

3 - Improve quality

My impression, based on limited reading, is during the process many of them put coverage ahead of cost.1

A few years ago Steven Brill wrote a lengthy article on American health care. He observed the public debate usually revolved around who should pay for it, but he was interested in exploring why it cost so much.2 I think that's a better place to begin.

From the chapter, ~"Conflict and Change in American Health Care" in Understanding Health Policy it appears greed weighs greatly in health care decisions. Before 1970 cost were not great enough to concern most purchasers, i.e. business and government. Since 1970 it has and this has resulted in conflicts between providers/suppliers and purchasers/insurers. Each group seeks ways to increase their power to affect the price. During a given time, American health care reflects which group dominates.

1 Though I suspect many of them would argue expanded coverage was one way to control cost.

2 Why medical bills are killing us


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jul 21 14:52:36 2017 205.141.67.16)
Trivia of the day for Friday!


The starfish is one of the only animals who can turn its stomach inside-out.

The elephant is the only mammal that cant jump.

The penguin is the only bird who can swim, but not fly.

Q is the only letter in the alphabet that does not appear in the name of any of the United States.

One quarter of the bones in your body are in your feet.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jul 21 13:03:05 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Friday, July 21st 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Jenn
levitation junkie
Miss Edith
R o B

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Jenn, levitation junkie, Miss Edith, R o B!



Time for some thrilling heroics. Jayne, 'The Train Job''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 12:55:37 2017 64.179.155.24)
yay glow boy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jul 21 12:29:45 2017 73.58.128.92)
ChristopherMarlowe--Step
slooowwwly away from the Hot
Pockets and toward some nice
cheese, nuts and fruit :)


wolfguard--I guess
repealing and replacing Obamacare
isn't really the issue, then ;)


Shade of Bronze--Hope your
daughter is OK :)


Agent Cooper--Have fun for
us :) Where are you?


Yay! Glow Boy!


Belated Yay! greengirl and
halfrek!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jul 21 11:11:01 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for glow boy!

yay glow boy!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Shade of Bronze says:
(Fri Jul 21 07:04:22 2017 47.146.131.104)
Just now lurked and got caught up, but it's bed time for me, I took notes *g* and will try to post over the weekend.

I've been devoting my days to my daughter and what she is going through.

But I'm still here with you all and appreciate being privy to your conversations!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 04:06:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfgaurd Whoops, I am wrong. Donald is not the Disco Duck, he is an entirely different duck person.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 03:15:10 2017 4.28.180.2)
"Conflict and Change in America's Health Care System"1

The New Millennium: Provider Power Re-Emerges

Providers: Physicians, Hospitals, and the like.

"In the mid-1990s, most health care analysts were certain that tightly
managed care - with purchasers and insurers dominating health care
providers - had become the new paradigm for health care in the United
States. By 2001, this certainly had evaporated. From 2000 to 2010, HMO
enrollment dropped from 32% to 19% of insured employees ... During those
years, preferred provider organization (PPO) enrollment grew from 30% to
60% of insured employees. Tightly managed care was faltering...

"...Hospitals consolidated into hospital systems and demanded large price
increases from insurers. Physicians balked at tight managed care contracts.
Negotiations between health care providers and insurers became increasingly
hostile, with one side or the other often refusing to sign contracts. As
hospitals and providers gained an upper hand in negotiations with health
plans, HMOs in turn demanded more money from employers. Insurance premiums
for family coverage went from an average of $6,000 per year in 2000 to
almost $14,000 in 2010 ...

...Employees out-of-pocket health care costs increased 34% from 2004 to
2007...

...In most states, three large insurance companies control more than 60% of
the market ...

Providers also consolidated ... Consolidation went hand in hand with
organizations converting from non-profit to investor-owned "for profit"
status as they sought to raise capital for buy-outs, market expansion, and
organizational infrastructure ... By 2009, most specialty hospitals,
imaging centers, ambulatory surgery centers were investor-owned...

,,,more lucrative third-party payment for procedurally oriented specialty
care has been one of the key factors shaping physician workforce weighed
toward nonprimary care fields and a hospital sector filled with tertiary
care facilities. Emblematic of this trend is the emergence of a new type of
for-profit hospital, the speciality hospital fully or partially owned by
groups of specialist physicians. Aso of 2010, 265 of these hospitals
existed in the United States, typically limiting their services to cardiac
and orthopedic procedures - service lines that are well reimbursed.
Physician owners of these hospitals double benefit financially, receiving
income from both the payment for the services they directly provide and
their share of hospital profits. Moreover, physician owners often channel
well-insured patients from nonprofit general hospitals to their own for-
profit specialty hospitals. In one example, 16 cardiac surgeons and
cardiologists shifted patients with heart disease from a university medical
center to a new hospital only caring for patients with heart disease ...
Uninsured patients continued to have cardiac procedures at the university
hospital ...

... the common practice of physicians referring patients for imaging tests
at a facility owned by the same physician is associated with higher volumes
of imaging services, increasing costs, and exposing patients to unnecessary
radiation...

...Single-specialty groups have grown markedly since the late 1990s. Two
major drivers of this growth are (1) the ability of organized specialists
with market power in a local area to negotiate for high reimbursement rates
from insurers and (2) the bringing together of capital to invest ... as a
result of thes trends, the income of specialists who offer procedural or
imaging services has far outpaced the growth in earnings of primary
physicians ...

(I'm going to summarize some material. To compete nonprofits community
hospitals have set-up 'specialty service lines' to attract specialists
physicians and well-insured patients ... leads to less focus on
'traditional medical-surgical wards.)

"...These trends pull health care ... farther away from a primary care-
based, community responsive model. Evidence suggests that this trend will
fuel continued inflation in health care costs without yielding commensurate
benefits for the health of the public..."

(There's a section on the pharmaceutical industry that I will post excerpts
on tomorrow.)


1 Chapter 16 in Understanding Health Policy: a clinical
approach
by Thomas Bodenheimer and Kevin Grumbach, copyright 2012.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 02:12:20 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Donald was the Disco Duck?!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 02:05:41 2017 70.198.40.147)
Wolfguard

I don't think Donald duck would
like duck dynasty, duck season you
know...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jul 21 00:59:54 2017 70.198.57.70)
Wolfguard

Oh now that is sneaky! It wouldn't
be the first time something was
set to take effect after an
election.

Congress critters are a devious
lot.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jul 21 00:26:28 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Fri Jul 21 00:27:58 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Yesterday, Mitch McConnell told Republicans, as I understood ...

(1) The bill can be amended.

(and to your point)

(2) It would not go into effect for two years.1


~ Therefore there should be no problem in voting for it.


What was not addressed is how the uncertainty affects consumers, providers,
suppliers, and insurers' planning.


1 Therefore its effects would not be known till after the 2018
mid-terms. Cowards. *g*

ETA Trivia Girl

The founder of Duck Dynasty? :)



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 23:25:58 2017 70.198.58.15)
Wolfguard. The replace option
failed but I'm not sure what would
happen if the repeal passed



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jul 20 23:06:02 2017 69.244.158.94)
Truvia Girl: I call you THAT as somewhere I recently read that Stevia (the alternative low-cal sweetener) is being investigated as a potential cure for Lyme Disease. Now, that's important. Meanwhile Disco Duck by Cheese-It Ritz and the Quackers or just by Rick Dees (I seem to remember a Rick Dees as some kind of disk jockey somewhere.)


Maverick


Superfreak




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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 20 21:45:20 2017 64.179.155.24)
Since no on answered the question, please consult the following link!

Disco Duck



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 21:26:57 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm looking to post the last section on health care history later tonight.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 20:19:17 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Jul 20 20:19:33 2017
The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.

- tweeted by a Saudi citizen


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 19:44:34 2017 205.141.67.16)
wolfguard I know. The diminishing number of posters, lack of interesting topics to discuss that doesn't involve politics and everyone is busy with summertime stuff. I know I've been trying to enjoy more activities.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 18:00:10 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By


What we have here is a failure of content. :(


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jul 20 14:59:25 2017 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Pop music
Question: Who had the hit 'Disco Duck'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jul 20 11:51:29 2017 64.179.155.24)
Today is Thursday, July
20th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Ember
Little Bubbles
KittyWillow
Slayfaith

Happy Birthday from the Bronze,
to Ember, Little Bubbles,
KittyWillow, Slayfaith!



Hell, I don't know. If I had
wanted schooling, I'da gone to
school.Jayne, 'Ariel'


to be added to the birthday list,
please email
oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jul 20 11:03:48 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for halfrek!

yay halfrek!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jul 20 06:41:33 2017 71.56.125.67)
Yay Greengirl!


Christopher Marlowe,

I first thought - bizzaro! *g*


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Does California still lead the U.S.. in number of vampires now that the hellmouth is no longer there?

Very likely. Sunnydale collapsed in on itself and the hellmouth shifted and emerged elsewhere in California.



Night All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jul 20 00:32:53 2017 64.179.155.24)
wolfguard That must have been quite the shocker, seeing the Master kill Buffy straight off.

I am starting to see the value of remaining spoiler-free for shows. *g*



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jul 19 23:54:52 2017 64.179.155.24)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What does the word 'Shanshu' translate to in the Angel series?
Answer: To Live or Die

Trivia Powers that Be: Maverick
Trivia Glitter Twins: notsoShyGirl, missmuffet (hi!)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jul 19 22:49:22 2017 64.179.155.24)
Yo Maverick!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jul 19 19:20:48 2017 69.244.158.94)
Trivia Girl: Shan, get outta here. (BTW, I love the movie, "To Live and Die in L.A.")


Questions about Health Care. As someone who has administered Group Health Care Plans over a period of around 40 years, I can tell you what happened. First of all, in the late 1970's in Group Plans there were only 3 categories and all premiums were 100% paid for by the employer. Single was around $100 a month. Married was around $175 a month and Family (including children up to 19 unless they were full-time in college and then a tad longer at an additional premium) at around $250 a month. As time progressed AND medical care costs (what the insurance companies had to pay) rose, coverage became more expensive. In time the "family" amount got separated and the number of people covered in a family were each charged for. Then what happened is that the companies agreed to pay for Single Coverage (the employee) and the employee had to pay each month for the premium cost ABOVE Single Coverage. At that point employees with large families were being charged (payroll deduction) significant amounts per month (but still at a discount [because it was a Group Plan]) versus what an individual policy would cost. Then, while the premiums kept going up (because medical health care kept getting more expensive) the employers began to pay just a percentage of the cost, like maybe 1/3rd, and the employee had to pay 2/3rd (again payroll deduction per month.) I remember when a family plan would cost OVER $10,000 per year, whereas it originally cost around $3,000 per year. This was in construction companies, which had to fight for work. The total Health Care Cost (at the bottom line) went from around $10,000 per year to well over $150,000 per year (even with the employee's contribution.) It takes quite a bit of profitable construction work to withstand costs at this level. Nowadays it's standard for the company to pay a nominal amount per employee and let the employee pay the bulk of the cost. I found that I had to take quotes from the various companies each year and sort through the various coverages to attempt to buy the lowest costing insurance (but with a quality company.) It seems like companies would quote low-ball amounts on a NEW policy (thinking they could raise their rates the following year.) I had to switch companies each year and got all kinds of complaints, but that was what was necessary to be able to afford this coverage. Obamacare is failing. It demands a basic level of expensive coverages that most people don't need and/or want. Insurance companies no longer want to provide these coverages because they are losing money (unless the government subsidizes it.) Obamacare is going off a cliff BUT it was always intended to fail. It was always a bait-and-switch with SINGLE-PAYER (nationalized, socialized) health insurance (the payer being the Federal Government.) The Federal Government, even if this was a good idea (which it is not,) cannot afford this kind of expensive PREMIUM coverage and the Government is the worst administrator of any kind of big program spending. Look at all the Medicare fraud; look at the inefficiencies of the Veteran's Administration; look at the dilemma of baby Charlie Gard versus the British United Health Service. Trump speaks to Senators regarding the impending demise of Obamacare and the need to do something because the Democrats are just obstructing.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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missmuffet says:
(Wed Jul 19 19:04:08 2017 98.162.224.115)
Trivia Girl: To live and to die. To die one must first be alive.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jul 19 18:20:40 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Belated Yay KAM!



Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


What was the biggest BtVS spoiler you wish you hadn't read or heard?

Faith being apparently killed by Buffy in Graduation Day 1. After first season, I never saw the first airing of an episode live. I saw them on video. Nevertheless, I would risk the Bronze on Tuesday nights. *g* It was on May 18, 1999 that I saw a posted spoiler about Faith being stabbed and falling from a height. Grr Argh!!!!!

A similar event happened for The Wish. I must not have fully rewound the video tape, because when I hit 'play' the first thing to appear was the Master breaking Buffy's neck! What?!?!?

*g*



WG


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