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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 21:48:36 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

Just read the portion of your email responding to my thoughts on biologist and
evolution. Your arguments against the Theory of Evolution are the same ones
you've argued for years and remain flawed arguments. I've told you why before
and while you don't have to accept the explanation you should at least argue
why the explanation is wrong rather than repeating again the same flawed
argument. I AM BORED.

Learn the science before you try to argue with people who know it. You come
across foolish. You do not advance your position.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 22 21:40:13 2017 199.127.148.10)
Mele kalikimaka, y'all.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 21:30:33 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Again, the author's father who said, "If the Germans had chosen someone
else,"...."we would have been the very best Nazis" was a Jew who survived
the Holocaust (I'm not certain if his father was in a concentration camp,
though his mother had been in one). The essay gave the impression that his
parents were children during this time. The author spoke of his father, as
a child, wanting to participate in Nazi marches. The next sentence spoke of
his father, again as a child, being beaten by classmates for being a Jew.

Years ago I read an account of an American reporter, who was Jewish, who
was assigned to Germany during the 20's and/or 30's.1 He
attended at least one of Hitler's speeches and said he was moved by the
oration.

1 Hitler became chancellor in 1933 and that's when the Nazis
began to consolidate power. But the Nazis had been around for a decade or
more. Hitler's participation in the failed Munich putsch (coup) happened in
November of 1923 (Perhaps to appreciate the time range, my father was born
in October of 1923, so he was a babe when Hitler was sentenced to house
arrest. My father was one month shy of 16 when Nazi Germany invaded Poland
leading to Britain and France declaring war. Another two years would pass
before Pearl Harbor. Dad was 18 years old. He volunteered for the Army Air
Corp.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 20:26:50 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard That post about the Holocaust triggered something.

Not long ago, some friends of mine shared a post from some else, which contained some rather racist comments. It was later pointed out that the individual making the comments was currently serving on one of the Mayor's committees, and is a disability advocate.

Some city councilmembers saw this and both indicated they would be speaking to the mayor.

That's sort of the last I heard of it. From what I gather, his term on the committee ends this year, so I would suspect he will not serve another term.

There wasn't any news coverage about this as far as I can tell and no statements from either the mayor or council.

Just things that make you go 'hmmmmm'



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 20:19:30 2017 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Fri Dec 22 20:22:57 2017
wolfguard Reading and thinking.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 19:07:46 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

~My 400 bitcoins bet paid off (BBC)

This person was fortunate. The best analysis, and implicit advice, begins around 1:30 into video.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 18:21:14 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Following are excerpts from Jason Stanley's essay, My Parents' Mixed Messages on the Holocaust.1


"...my mother and father survived the Holocaust ... He (his father) was scornful when he saw signs that I was taking the Holocaust to mean Jews were special. 'If the Germans had chosen someone else,' he often said, 'we would have been the very best Nazis' ... The Holocaust was about humanity (emphasis in text). It was about what we are capable of doing to one another. It could happen again, it could happen here. The Holocaust was about everyone. Helping to prevent such events from occurring required agency and good moral sense, and good moral sense was not consistent with preferring one' own people.

My mother's most frequent advice was about knowing when to get out of a dangerous situation. The moment where one must accept that a situation is genuinely dangerous is usually well past the time when one can exit it. Her advice would come out especially during any patriotic moment. She was afraid I would develop an attachment to a country and would not flee early enough.

My mother and father both believed that normal people could do unimaginably terrible things. As a court stenographer in criminal court, my mother witnessed the racial injustice of the American legal system up close. I remember her sometime in the late 1980s saying to me with a rather flat affect, 'They are targeting black people in this country.' That didn't mean she was about to march out on the street in protest of injustice. That would be a completely incorrect interpretation of my mother. My mother believes that injustice is the normal, unchangeable state of things. My mother believes trust is foolishness. She thinks it is not only naive to live as if justice were an attainable ideal; it is self-destructive. My mother believes they will kill you if they can..."

(Earlier he wrote of his mother, "She was born in Siberia, where she spent the first five years of her life in a labor camp, surviving on potato peels." (family was from Poland, they had fled the Nazi invasion))

1 Modern Ethics in 77 Arguments edited by Peter Catapano and Simon Critchley



WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Dec 22 18:03:43 2017 174.196.140.57)
Happy Belated Birthday Dogmeat!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 22 17:10:09 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Friday, December 22nd 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


DaRkAnGeL
Hannah Murray
kendra Gruber
oldman

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DaRkAnGel, Hanna Murray, kendra Gruber, oldman!



I swear, one of these times, you're gonna wake up in a coma. Cordelia, Gingerbread'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 15:28:19 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay bhd!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 22 12:01:51 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for bhd!

yay bhd!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 04:11:25 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard True words to live by. I do have something of a crew!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 03:33:31 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Find a crew. Find a job. Keep flying. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 02:52:53 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Oh yes! Last Friday I was talking to a friend who said I should drop a resume off at his place of business and talk to a gal named Lindsay. Lindsay is in charged of a special project they landed with the Federal government to map 86 cemeteries/headstones. At the time, I had though there was an active opening.

I later learned that Lindsay will be doing an assessment of the project in January to see how they are tracking. If it looks like they need more people, she was going to call me into an interview.

So a prospect, but not a guaranteed one. But it's something.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 02:13:49 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Fri Dec 22 02:14:58 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

I recall you posting last week of being in a good mood, because of a possible
job opening you'd learn more about on Monday.


ETA "...wolfguard Thank you! I will find out Monday if this prospect is
viable."


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 22 01:51:33 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Monday? It went fine as far as I remember. Nothing much happened. Tuesday was a busier situation as I had stuff going on. these days things are super slow, in part because of the holidays. I did a phone interview yesterday and learned I could be up for a position in January, so things are on an upswing towards the end of this year.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 22 00:29:38 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

How did things go this past Monday?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 21 23:15:39 2017 209.159.255.231)
chilly day, but I managed to spread some Christmas cheer nevertheless!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 21 17:11:25 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Thursday, December 21st 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Bell-Gurl
Dogmeat
ektagraph
Erin
KitCat
LaNi

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bell-Gurl, Dogmeat, ektagraph, Erin, KitCat, LaNi!



We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! The ice is so slippery, and, and monkeys are all irrational. We have to see this! Anya, 'Into the Woods''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Dec 21 16:33:37 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Friday



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 21 16:00:10 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: What day of the week is mentioned in 'Dancing Queen'?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 21 15:53:16 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay janni!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 21 12:18:02 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for janni!

yay janni!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 21 04:19:25 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Dec 21 04:20:25 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Another take ...

Once upon a time when a night was abnormally quiet, cops on patrol would
occasionally key their mikes to reassure themselves other cops were out
there. They'd get edgy. Click-click.

So ...

TEASER

INT. POLICE CRUISER - NIGHT

Cruising Sunnydale streets that are strangely devoid of life and nonlife

(Variation: Fog enshrounds cruiser. He's inching along (don't inch! Giles I
saw you, you inched Buffy-n-Faith, Who Are You)

Cop clicks mike. No response. Clicks again. No one is out there.

COP
Base, this is 21 Papa. Over.

Silence

COP
Base, this is 21 Papa. Over

Static

BASE
21 Papa, this is Base. Stand-by


.......................


BASE
21 Papa, this Base. 10-45 at the Bronze

camera pans over to passenger seat
WILLOW (XANDER)
10-45?

COP
Animal Carcass (or something else more interesting)



(Idea - Willow taking college course or Xander getting high school credit)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 21 03:39:31 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Two or three. First, take the script as written. The two questions
remaining would be deciding the mood and choosing camera angles.

The lines are matter-of-fact. There's no tension. Quiet night. Yeah. Must
be that conference. Yeah. Hey, why don't you take a look at this report.
Sure thing.

Where's the hook? I imagine the report's title has to have the hook, but
since the cops aren't excited the title has to refer to something the cops
don't cat catch, something you'd have to show the viewer. So ...

ANGLE over the shoulders of the cops focus on report.

Neighbors (somewhere) report something is doing something to something
(pets disappearing, gravestones being overturned, graffiti on city hall,
etc)

THEN

variation 1: CUT-TO gravestones being hurled around like woofle balls

or

variation 2: Camera zooms out of the police station through Sunnydale and
lands on the FASCINATING THING


For variation 1 you might show what's doing the hurling, but I'd probably
go with not showing what's causing it.


Other two takes up in a bit.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 21 00:58:51 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Any ideas from last night?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 20 22:43:01 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of Doyle's estranged wife?
Answer: Harriet

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 20 21:40:32 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Hemingway's remark is closer to the truth. A script is 'just' an outline of
the story. There are directors who believe writers are an unnecessary
expense. While there are a few writers with the power of Rowling, the
majority sign away any say on how their novel will be adapted. The buyer
can do whatever they want with it.

Recall this was Joss' experience with BtVS. He wrote the movie script and
was severely disappointed with the resulting movie. Hated it. But there was
nothing he could do, because the screenplay didn't belong to him.

When he was approached about doing a TV version he made it clear,
contractually, that he would have creative control over it. You want me to
do it, then I do it. And as you recall, he had to learn how to be a
director. All the experienced crew looking at him wondering, does he how to
do this?

Afterthought: One reason Joss promoted his writing staff was because he
believed they needed the recognition usually not given writers.


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Dec 20 15:53:38 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Harriet "Harry" Doyle



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Dec 20 15:51:27 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--Yes, that is a strange feeling, going under and then
suddenly coming back out, with no memory of anything having happened, no dreams,
just. . .nothing :(


Yay! Beldin! How is Houston recovering, the media has moved on to the
next big story and so we haven't heard any more :(


Happy Belated Birthday Bossy the Cow!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 20 15:42:14 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of Doyle's estranged wife?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 20 14:39:39 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Wednesday, December 20th 2017 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!


Aeris
Baby Cordy
cliodhna
Cricket
Decay
Kay
lunec
Roxx
Sanj
Tasremzo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aeris, Baby Cordy, cliodhna, Cricket, Decay, Kay, lunec, Roxx, Sanj Tasremzo!



You know, I've saved lives. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. I reattached a girl's leg. Her whole leg. She named her hamster after me. I got a hamster. He drops a box of money, he gets a town. Simon, 'Jaynestown'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 20 14:23:26 2017 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe/Wolfguard: Well, as far as Writer or Director taking responsibility for the tone of a scene, I can't speak from any kind of experience. But I've watched ALOT of movies and TV, and so I have to guess it could be either or both.

I imagine, yes, the director has alot of power. But the writers set the tone. If a scene is supposed to be sad, let's say, then the director HAS to film a sad scene. HOW he sets up the sad scene, however, is up to him.

Then again, it depends on alot of things. Like how much creative control the writer(s) have. For the Harry Potter movies, for example, JK Rowling made sure she had extensive creative control over what the movies looked and felt like. And she had the clout to do that. I believe George RR Martin also has alot of control over the film version of his stories, although they are a bit changed from the books for the sake of the medium.

But for most writers, that's not the case. The vast majority of times it's like Ernest Hemmingway said: Drive to the border of California, throw your book over the fence. When they throw the money back over the fence, collect the money and drive home.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 20 14:22:26 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay beldin!

deadguy qod

Excellent question! I think their chances of getting dusted, by accident, are very strong! With that many slayers, not all of 'em would know about Spike and Angel.

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 20 12:25:17 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for beldin!

yay beldin!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale survivalist society - we'll take of chances with bears and wolves

considering the number of slayers, what are the chances of angel and spike surviving this century?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 20 03:31:04 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Ah, to the Bronze!

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 20 03:27:30 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard 'Pickings' could be any number of things. Crime may be down, so slow night for arrests. Could be something more sinister happening, like shakedowns.

The tone is neutral, how it is shot may make a difference.

Call it the opening scene, the report may take them to the Bronze. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 20 03:06:32 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Dec 20 03:08:16 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

Three questions:

1 - What's the tone of the episode?

2 - Where in the episode is this scene?

3 - No Scoobies? *g*

ETA ~pickings are slim~ Is this some sort of subtext I need to know?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 20 02:49:37 2017 209.159.255.231)
EXTERIOR HALLWAY, SUNNYDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT

Front Desk Cop: Hey Lou, what do you have for me tonight?

Officer Lou: Not much Sam, pickings are slim tonight. Must be because of that big conference downtown.

Officer Sam: Yeah, I heard about that, business always slows down when they are in town, I wish they would go away. Hey, as long as you're here, here's a report for you, follow up?

*Officer Lou takes a look at report*

Officer Lou: Looks promising sir, i'll get right on it.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 20 02:32:46 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I will give it a shot. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 20 02:14:17 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard If I write a short scene, maybe you could tell me how you would direct it? *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 20 01:36:55 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

As Algerina once say, ~ The Director is God ~. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 20 00:46:29 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard, Agent Cooper If a scene is ambiguous, is that due to the writing or the directing?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 19 22:16:38 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What episode was the first appearance of the character Jenny Calendar?
Answer: I Robot...You Jane

Trivia Directors: Agent Cooper, notsoShyGirl!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 22:12:58 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

I've read a couple folks' analyses of the final scene and they're of mind with
you. OTOH, I'v jumbled memories of a writer or director of creator saying
Tony's okay or let each viewer decide for themselves or Tony was whacked (all
the bases covered there, eh? *g*).

When I was a kid I had to have 25 odd stitches put into my right palm. They
injected something - probably painkiller - all around the wound using a
hypodermic needle whose plunger had separate grooves or rings for the fingers.
I remember floating up and looking down at myself and the doctors and feeling,
NEAT. *g*


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 19 21:27:57 2017 165.225.38.71)
Wolfguard - RE Sopranos Finale: Exactly. But there's alot of symbolism and foreshadowing that takes place beforehand that makes it clear that this is exactly what happened. It all went over alot of viewers' heads though.

I had surgery when I was nine years old. I remember being injected in the leg with this huge metal needle and getting really drowsy right away. Then being wheeled into the OR and having a doctor/nurse/medical person of some kind in a mask tell me to count backwards from 10. I don't think I even got to nine. I closed my eyes and immediately opened them again and found myself in a recovery room. It was as if I had been teleported from the OR to that recovery room in that one instant. I remarked something to that effect to my mom, who told me I had been unconscious for four hours.

That was certainly an eye opener. I've been put under a handful of times since then but I don't remember it being quite so jarring. The most recent time was for a procedure where I was going to be "awake but unaware", I forget the medical term. I remember the doctor injecting the knockout juice into my IV and joking "thanks for flying with us!" and then waking up in recovery. But in that instance I had more of a sense of having been asleep, or a definite feeling of having lost time. When I had the surgery as a kid it was much more like instantly being propelled in time. Hard to explain, but there was a subtle but very noticeable difference between the two experiences.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 20:01:53 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By




Maverick,

Noted. Will read and reply later.


OldManFan,

I never watched TBNS, but did watch Newhart so I was attached to the characters and verse that the writers erased for a surprise and a laugh. I also believe writers are mistreating fans when they write these sort of endings.


Agent Cooper,

Two times I've experienced being rendered unconscious where had I not been revived I would have passed into death unawares. Lights out - just like Tony. *g* So I took what happened as Tony got a noodle put in his head. OTOH, the day after the finale I read some fans thought there had been a cable or power outage.


Christopher Marlowe,

"CDC director says there are no banned words at the agency" (PBS Newshour)



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 19 16:17:08 2017 165.225.38.71)
Notsoshygirl! How are ya?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Dec 19 15:53:09 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
I Robot...You Jane



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 19 15:40:11 2017 165.225.38.71)
The Albert Finney musical version of Scrooge is the absolute best one ever made. Period.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Dec 19 15:32:27 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper wolfguard I thought the Newhart ending was funny in and of itself, and it wasn't a sitcom form which I had great expectations anyway. (Also, the foilers were great; they said Loudon would be killed by the golf ball and meet God,a nd they were debating whether to get Burns, Heston, or Reagan to play The Big Guy.) Of course I dreamed up a Newhart ending to BtVS, Sarah in bed with Rudolf.
Over in the HOw I MEt YOur Mother "sub" at Reddit we still argue about the finale.

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe I have never seen the Reginald Owen or the Alistair Sim versions of *A Christmas Carol*, and until I do I won't think I've really seen it, no offense to Jim Backus or George C. Scott.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 19 15:08:47 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: Was it "I Robot" ?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 19 15:00:07 2017 165.225.38.71)
Wolfguard: Actually, the Sopranos ending appears not to make any sense at first blush. I know it made alot of fans angry, but in hindsight those fans are a bit shortsighted. The ep is actually very poignant and makes perfect sense if you pay attention. There's a really good youtube video that explains everything very well here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9OsHsLJ28

It's all kind of obvious when you see it pointed out like this.

I used to really like St Elsewhere as a kid. But I didn't really watch it religiously and I never did see the final ep, but when I finally did on youtube I just thought it was strange. I didn't have strong feelings either way.

I was a big Seinfeld fan and yes, I agree with the rest of the world - that final ep SUCKED.

I always liked Roaseanne too but one wasn't totally devoted to it so I didn't know about the finale until years later. That was just dumb. I think the Roseanne Barr had Joss Whedon syndrome when she wrote that finale. IE "I created this thing that I love but now it's gotten too big and I've grown to hate it so I must KILL it"

I think that happens alot with writers and other creative types.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 19 14:23:56 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What episode was the first appearance of the character Jenny Calendar?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 19 14:15:30 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, December 19th 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


DavidJunky
Greg
Bossy the Cow
kronos
Ras

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to DavidJunky, Greg, Bossy the Cow, kronos, Ras!



It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. Mal, 'Jaynestown''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 19 14:06:23 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay jennifer lynn!

deadguy qod

I don't think he ever lost his
soul again. Or at least lost it
only one more time. Anymore than
that and he really is a bad
caretaker of his soul!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Dec 19 12:24:55 2017 24.3.106.169)
wolfguard - Newhart? Seriously? One of the funniest scenes on television, ever.

OMF



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 19 12:18:56 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for jennifer lynn

yay jennifer lynn!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale soul man - your late night soul mate of fm radio

in the six years we knew angel from the shows, he lost his soul twice. how many times has he lost it since?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 19 05:21:04 2017 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: Measures of the Money Supply, such as M0, M1, M2, M3, M4, per economics, have things to say about Inflation and calculating the down-and-dirty value of the currency in circulation. Silver is a form of currency AND has many uses as a chemical reagent, such as in photography, etc. Platinum has uses as a catalyst such as in a catalytic converter. Gold is useful in meeting women. ;-) Things can have value and be treated as currency. Stock certificates, deeds, etc. To the extent something like a Bitcoin gives legal ownership of something with an intrinsic value, it has a value of its own. But the Bitcoin arrangements I've noticed seem way too much like a Ponzi scheme, wherein the early adopters get their money and leave with it and those who follow may or may not temporarily own something of value (if we consider value as a moment-to-moment consensus valuation) and they may just be left holding the proverbial bag.


Wolfguard2: I provided Christopher Marlowe an explanatory link to the CDC's controversy. Looks like just another cheap swipe by the Media at Trump.


Maverick


All I Want For Christmas is You




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 04:39:31 2017 4.28.180.2)
"Hit Television Shows That Ended With Awful Series Finales"
ENTERTAINMENT | November 16, 2017 | By Giana Brucella

There were 15 in the list. Follows some of them ...

Battlestar Galactica
Dexter
How I Met Your Mother
Lost
Newhart
Roseanne
Seinfeld
True Blood
Sex in the City
The Sopranos
St Elsewhere
Weeds



I watched Dexter and much of Newhart and hated both finales.

Never watched St Elsewhere but before the finale aired read it would
literally turned the hospital on its head. This I had to see. Did so. If I
had been a fan I would have been furious with the writers.

I saw only a couple episodes of The Sopranos, but after reading
about its controversial finale went and watched the final scene - many
times. If I had been a fan, I probably would have wanted a more definitive
ending; however, as a statement of belief on the nature of death - hmmm.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 04:21:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It has a simple structure, easy to remember.

1) Introduce Scrooge

2) Christmas Eve, Scrooge goes to sleep. Woken by Ghost of Partner

3) Ghost of Christmas Past

4) Ghost of Christmas Present

5) Ghost of Christmas Future

6) Redemption


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 19 04:02:26 2017 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Tue Dec 19 04:02:48 2017
wolfguard I think it beats all of them. Partly because while the Wonderful Life movie is shown ever year, there are multiple versions of Christmas Carol, both in theater and film. Heck, a local theater put on 'Fezziwig's Feast', which is a dinner combined with a performance of the Carol.

I think it gets done so much because it is such a well-constructed story with many elements that come easily to mind. Not so much with the other ones.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 03:28:03 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

How do you compare it It's a Wonderful Life or Miracle on 34th
Street
or How the Grinch Stole Christmas or Amends? *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 19 03:14:58 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Fans are a strange beast for sure.

I'm watching Patrick Stewart's Christmas Carol. It's amazing just how iconic it still is.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 19 02:09:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

The players and coach were not demonic, but the fans might have been.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 19 01:47:52 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard, Agent Cooper A demonic basketball team? That explain so much!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 18 22:58:53 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Sports
Question: Hubert "Geese" Ausbie played professional basketball for 24 years on which team?
Answer: Harlem Globetrotters

Trivia Master: NotsoShyGirl
Trivia Honorary Scoobies: wolfguard and Agent Cooper!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 18 22:27:57 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

So true ... and then they went and got sold to Cleveland.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 18 21:55:18 2017 165.225.38.71)
Wolfguard: He was a good coach, but his team was ravaged by mysterious deaths and disappearances. ...that suddenly lessened starting in '97.

cc Trivia Girl



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 18 21:22:46 2017 4.28.180.2)
Trivia Girl,

I'm not sure about Ausbie, but his doppelganger coached the Sunnydale Spirits
from 1995-1997. It's true!

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 18 20:08:15 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: The Flint Tropics



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Dec 18 16:24:24 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
The Harlem Globetrotters



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 18 15:59:56 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Sports
Question: Hubert "Geese" Ausbie played professional basketball for 24 years on which team?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Dec 18 15:19:58 2017 165.225.38.71)
One Platinum coin is worth 10 Gold coins. Or 100 Silver coins. Or 1000 Copper coins.

Everybody knows that.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 18 14:31:47 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Monday, December 18th 2017 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Agatha
Dayetriper
GAPeach
GrannySlice
Jocasta
Oz-27
Sultress
teena
vilia_100

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Agatha, Dayetriper, GAPeach, GrannySlice, Jocasta, Oz-27, Sultress, teena vilia_100!



I hope you don't think that I just come over for the spells and everything. I mean, I really like just talking and hanging out with you and stuff. Willow, 'Goodbye Iowa'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 18 14:26:45 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay dachelle!


Goodbye Blue Monday!

dogmeat For sure!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 18 12:03:12 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dachelle!

yay dachelle!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Dogmeat says:
(Mon Dec 18 10:10:36 2017 72.226.63.219)
We need to live in a Star Trek
world.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Dec 18 08:28:59 2017 71.56.125.67)
Maverick,

A platinum coin has more physical substance than what passes for monies in the developed countries today.

For example (Financial Times). And these are only the beginning of the various things used to perform functions most people associate with "money".

You're essentially missing what's really vital to how an economy is valued.



Christopher Marlowe,

I've been told about the restrictions, but haven't read anything on it. It's so absurd to restrict the CDC from using the phrases, 'evidence-based' or 'science-based', that it's probably politically motivated.

Also ...


"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature, only in contradiction to what we know of it."

--DANA SCULLY


WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Dec 18 03:11:25 2017 68.51.139.52)




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Maverick says:
(Mon Dec 18 00:58:18 2017 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Mon Dec 18 03:55:42 2017
Christopher Marlowe: I think Scully said, "Nothing in nature is unnatural and everything is in nature."


Wolfguard1: You keep hoping I'm correct? You mean my opinion that there can never be a self-driving car that's worth a damn? I think it'll take a major amount of death and tragedy to drive this point home (so to speak.)


Wolfguard2: Well, you explained Krugman's idea as though it made some kind of sense. It makes NO kind of sense. AAMOF it IS only a hop, skip, and a jump from the Trillion Dollar Coin to 20 Trillion Dollar Coins to pay off the National Debt. This coinage would do nothing (because it has no intrinsic value of its own) but the danger is the danger of moving further away from an explicit understanding of where the U.S. IS with respect to our Fiscal Affairs. Certain of our citizens would LOVE this kind of information to be so obscured so that there is nothing standing in the way of our spending much more money we don't have. I'm sure Bernie Sanders loves to promise free college tuition because he knows there are many U.S. citizens who believe this is possible. He probably hopes that he personally can get his hands on some kickback U.S. dollars so he can buy some gold or silver and stash it somewhere. This whole subject matter hit home to me a few months back when we were discussing things at my work and the talk somehow turned to atomic weaponry and the need to inspect and update OUR arsenal and spend big money on defense which most of the younger people there were firmly against. One young guy, maybe 17, was of the opinion that, paraphrasing, "what we should have been doing was putting some money aside every so often to allow for maintenance and repair and replacement of our nuclear arsenal." He was a trifle smug about this. I explained that since we've been running a deficit every year for a decade now, that WE don't have this money that this kid wants to set aside, so we would have had to borrow it all from the Chinese (or someone similar.) I got a lot of blank stares. People get the impression that since we woke up today and it seems to work just like yesterday that we're doing fine. Obama all but ran us into the ground by doubling the National Debt (and what did we get for it?); we may never be able to recover from his corruption and incompetence. And we must not obscure our financial position; the only reason we are still around and people still lend us money is that we are explicit about our condition. Many in our government would love to hide our dilemma (so they could just make it worse.)


Maverick


Little Drummer Boy




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 18 00:50:04 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard CDC being told to ban words in their reports, I can't fathom the reason for that.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 17 23:01:54 2017 209.159.255.231)
Slow day! Good thing, as I managed
to fight off a cold!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 17 18:59:28 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Sunday, December 17th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4Birthdays!


~Cassie~
Geo
Shannon14
Whirlwind

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Cassie, Geo, Shannon 14, Whirlwind



It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. Mal, 'Jaynestown''

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wolfguard says:
(Sun Dec 17 07:53:11 2017 71.56.125.67)
Maverick,

Snow and ice might well be more difficult than 'heat and sand', I don't know. Again, hope you are correct.

Krugman's "trillion dollar coin" was not meant to pay off the national debt. A trillion dollars is not enough.1 It was to cover the deficit for the year in question (2011? 2012?).

Congress writes the tax and spending bills that a president has to execute. If implementing the bills leads to a financial deficit, the president is obligated to borrow the difference.

Krugman believes the debt ceiling is ridiculous. If you don't want to spend X amount of money, then don't write the tax and spending bills that lead to the need for X amount of money. He's frustrated with the debt ceiling, because he believes Republicans use it to try to force presidents, albeit Democratic presidents, to accept undesired riders.

Apparently minting such a coin is legal. If we ignore the coin's material basis, isn't this creating money from nothing? Isn't quantitative easing creating 'money' from nothing? Isn't fractional-reserve banking creating money from nothing?

Minting a trillion dollar coin has more substance and conceptually is no different that how money is currently created.2 One may have an issue with such monies, but that's another argument.

As to Krugman being my 'hero', I've a friend who thinks I disdain Krugman. Perceptions in the minds of the beholders.


1 Current national debt is a bit under 20 trillion dollars.

2 Though there would probably be political and psychological impacts.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Dec 17 07:03:17 2017 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

As I understand Scully, she's saying if something we see in nature seems wrong or out of whack. it's because of a flaw in our internal mapping of the world. For instance ...

"Gentlemen, I would rather believe that two Yankee professors would lie than believe that stones fall from heaven."

- Thomas Jefferson on hearing about what we now call, meteorites



WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Dec 17 03:15:57 2017 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: For goodness sakes, cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze. I already have something, myself, one of my 5-inch colds (it is from the back of my irritated nose which runs and flows to the back of my throat, where it tickles and so I cough.) Otherwise, I feel fine. Here's hoping about your job, etc. Question: Do you, in some way, limit access to the general public on your Facebook page? Aren't you supposed to do so--be protective of your privacy--especially when looking for a new job?


Wolfguard1: The DARPA challenges (heat and sand) didn't include snow and ice, which "is a different animal" or "a horse of another color." Snow and ice are unique and differently varied challenges and require an Al Gore -ithm (algorithm) that requires different often unpredictable reactions at various times.


Wolfguard2: Bitcoin? A fantasy. Reminds me of what your hero Paul Krugman wanted to do about the U.S. National Debt. He wanted to mint a $20 Trillion denominated coin, put it into a secure location at the Treasury Dept., and then claim the National Debt had been paid off. All gone.


Maverick


We Three Kings.




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 17 02:24:32 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I'm not entirely sure what that means.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 16 23:05:31 2017 174.217.27.80)
Ugh I think I am coming down with
something!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 16 22:24:52 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By


"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature. Only in contradiction to what we know of it.

- Dana Scully



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 16 20:06:45 2017 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sat Dec 16 20:08:03 2017
Maverick,

"...This just won't work in the snow..."

LOL

I hope you are correct, but I remember rapid improvement coming from participating in the DARPA Challenge.


"...The first competition of the DARPA Grand Challenge was held on March 13, 2004 in the Mojave Desert region of the United States, along a 150-mile (240 km) route ... None of the robot vehicles finished the route.

The second competition of the DARPA Grand Challenge began at 6:40am on October 8, 2005. All but one of the 23 finalists in the 2005 race surpassed the 11.78 km (7.32 mi) distance completed by the best vehicle in the 2004 race. Five vehicles successfully completed the course..."


The Challenge (Wikipedia)

An Oral History of the DARPA Grand Challenge (Wired)



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Dec 16 16:13:48 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Saturday, December 16th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Buffy_Addict
keywe
RED

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy Addict, keywe, RED!



But that's just my point! You she obeys! She obeys you! There's obeying going on right under my nose! Wash, 'War Stories'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 16 15:17:57 2017 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Dec 16 12:57:58 2017 73.58.128.92)
ChristopherMarlowe--Crossing
my fingers for you!


Maverick--Heard you were
going to get a big snow, sorry it
turned out to be true!



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Maverick says:
(Sat Dec 16 07:29:33 2017 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe, Wolfguard: Hah! We, northwest of the Detroit area, are still digging out from under around 8 inches of snow. Driving is still tenuous as people can't seem yet to get their heads around HOW to approach winter driving. I have to laugh every time I read that TPTB, seriously, are building and testing self-driving cars. This just won't work in the snow. I have been driving 50+ years and am still learning how to handle snow and ice driving (I still don't like how the new ABS brakes are supposed to work in the snow.) I once did a 360 on an icy road (one of three 360's I did in my old 1956 Volkswagen--with the engine in the back, it didn't seem to take much for the engine to want to come forward, especially in the hills of western Pennsylvania.) So, each time I hear them talking about self-driving cars, I can't help but chuckle and shake my head. What do you think of the possibilities?


Christopher Marlowe: I watched the First Season DVD's of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and kind of liked it, but I haven't seen the 2nd season (and/or the 3rd season?) DVD's available. To watch it on a weekly basis, you almost can't miss one episode or you struggle to follow the continuing plot.


Maverick


Mary, Did You Know?




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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 16 04:54:22 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

No. I stopped watching around the second half (?) of second season.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 16 03:12:54 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Thank you! I will find out Monday if this prospect is viable.

Do you watch SHIELD anymore?



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 16 02:44:13 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'll knock on a sacred oak tree for you. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 16 02:06:33 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard In a strangely happy mood, I think I have a line on an actual job, I heard it through the grapevine!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 16 01:23:15 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Cold and antsy. Yourself? *g*

WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 16 01:06:22 2017 107.167.127.101)
deep into an art exhibit! I will be later than I thought!

WG how are you tonight?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 15 17:33:36 2017 209.159.255.231)
A little over a week until
Christmas!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 15 14:57:35 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Friday, 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Angel_lover
AngelBabyDTM
Balf
Count Zero
Willowlyn

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angel_lover, AngelBabyDTM, Balf, Count Zero, Willowlyn!



Who died and made you Elvis? Cordelia, 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 15 14:38:41 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay devilsadvocate!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 15 13:50:42 2017 165.225.38.71)
Lostinamerica: My coworker saw it last night and just told me the same thing, that it was really, really good. I'm definitely going to see it but I'll wait till the crowds die down a bit first.



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Dec 15 12:34:25 2017 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--My oldest son
went to the first showing and said
"Best. . .Star. . .Wars. . .EVER" :)
See it, we'll try to go the weekend
before Xmas, when the rest of the
family gets into town!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 15 11:54:15 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for devilsadvocate!

yay devilsadvocate!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 15 06:15:45 2017 71.56.125.67)
CM,

I envision a dual economy.

WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 15 04:59:28 2017 107.167.126.96)
WG

do you envision a no cash society happening?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 15 03:26:58 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I don't think bitcoin comes anywhere close to a universal monetary system. To
me, 'universal' means universally acceptable and by this definition gold,
silver, and the dollar have been the only such currencies. The dollar was the
foundation of the Bretton Woods System from 1944 to 1971 (some would argue a
few years after '71).

Today there are four major currencies: the dollar, the euro, the yen, and the
pound. China's currency has strength, but some people are wary of how China's
government controls it.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 15 02:53:52 2017 151.159.161.132)
Wolfguard

Bitcoins are the only Virtual
coinage I know of. The closest
equivalent is I've seen is in the
gaming community where the 'money'
sometimes winds up having value in
the outside world. Bitcoin does
appears to be the closest
equivalent to universal monetary
system



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 14 23:51:20 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Bitcoins are more popular than ever. I've only a passing familiarity with
bitcoins. Bitcoin's initial popularity seems to have been as a way of
making payments and purchases while remaining anonymous to governments. I
suspect its current popularity mixes perceptions of it being the next-
great-thing and a spiral of speculation.

One of the guys from the show Shark Tank doesn't think bitcoin works
well as a medium of exchange, a basic function of money.1 He
told the story of being in a business transaction where the other party
suggested the payment of $100,000 be done in bitcoins. Problem, no one
wanted to hold the bitcoins for the time it took to convert them into a
conventional currency. He added, if you don't trust a currency to hold its
value for the five minutes it took to convert it, then it wasn't much of a
currency. He did view bitcoins as an asset, like stocks, bonds, or real
estate.


1 Money serves three basic functions: (1) a medium of exchange,
(2) a unit of account, and (3) a store of value.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 14 23:21:44 2017 174.217.23.219)
Wolfguard

I am surprised that bitcoins are
still around as a thing g.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 14 21:34:47 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper & Christopher Marlowe,


Chart

Bitcoin prices over the past few days.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 14 21:11:25 2017 208.117.98.62)
Wolfguard, agent Cooper

One Bitcoin seems to be worth 16k.
Wow.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 14 21:07:55 2017 199.127.148.10)
I wonder, w hen the kids form the earliest version of the Wee Pals strip in the late 60s grew older, did Oliver marry Sybil?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 14 21:03:05 2017 165.225.38.71)
How much is 3 bitcoins worth nowadays anyway? I'm guessing it's either a fortune or a pittance.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 14 19:19:30 2017 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Jake sold the yak for three bitcoins and a dagger made of Valyrian steel.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 14 18:09:33 2017 209.159.255.231)
Agent Cooper Sauron and the Beanstalk? Hah!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 14 15:35:49 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: He sold the cow for three magic beans and a small ring. The least of rings. A mere trifle that Sauron fancies.



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Dec 14 14:48:36 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - five.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 14 14:26:40 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Fairytale Pursuits

Category: Literature
Question: Jack of Jack and the Beanstalk sold the family cow for how many magic beans?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 14 14:20:57 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Thursday, December 14th 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


CarrotSlayer
memphis
Minnie
Sarah's_Stake
Sioned

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to CarrotSlayer, memphis, Minnie, Sarah's Stake, Sioned



The Bay City Rollers, now that's music. Giles, 'The Dark Age'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 14 14:13:42 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay hello cutie!


Happy CD Thursday!

Agent Cooper I am not. I am crowd averse too, I would probably go sometime during a weekday.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 14 13:37:31 2017 165.225.38.71)
So is anybody going to see the new star wars? I'm going to, but not this weekend. I'm kind of crowd averse, ergo I don't like opening weekends for big movies. I'll go later on.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 14 12:05:04 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for hello cutie!

yay hello cutie!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 14 04:04:33 2017 73.58.128.92)
Yay! Shade of Bronze!


Happy Birthday Beldin!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 14 02:00:17 2017 209.159.255.231)
I am hereabouts!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 14 01:26:16 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

I'm just going to run through your post to me, top to bottom. Font in
italics are your words.


(1) My requirement for a "theory" is that it makes sense..."

Before one can make 'sense' of a scientific paper they have to understand
the subject matter. Articles and reports for lay-people often have to
simplify or paint in broad colors to make the story understandable. Even
then, some material will not make sense, but that's more likely due to the
reader lacking the relevant background knowledge. Doubt this? Ask some
students of calculus if the material makes sense to them.

Unfortunately, people sometimes think something makes sense and they're
wrong. It made sense to many people that the Sun went around the Earth. All
you had to do was look up in the sky. In your case, Hieb's essay made
sense, even though there are at least three flaws in his reasoning (I
listed them in past post). You may disagree with what I see as flaws, but
you have not yet offered a counter-argument).


(2) ... First of all the pedigree of "Global Warming" is flawed...

The 'pedigree' of probably all sciences are wrong or
imperfect. Astronomy's pedigree was Astrology. Quantum Mechanics' was
Classical Mechanics (still useful for most work). Chemisty's was Alchemy.

But more to the point, you cited a popular magazine. Go find a scientific
paper or text making the claim and post a link.


(3) "...The problem is that these are actually not scientific theories
but are political attempts at leftist power grabs...
"

An opinion based on flawed reasoning.


(4) You believe climate scientists ignore or disparage those proposing
alternative explanations of ~global warming~. I have not found this to be
true - so long as those doing such research have the professional
credentials and/or a proven research track-record. Scientists have finite
amounts of time and resources. Amateurs writing blogs are barely noticed -
if at all. You want to play concert piano? Devote the time to learning the
scales.


(5) "... The Global Warming industry provides full employment for many
academics who put out "studies" blaming any exotic weather on Global
Warming...
"

Like the Heartland Institute? :)


(6) "...And yet Approximately 50 former NASA employees, the people who
put men on the moon, pragmatic realists, think Global Warming is a lot of
bunk...
"

Back when I was reading your posts I replied on this one, more than once.
Since you posted it again, I take that to mean you did not read or remember
that I did. So why bother now, again? I will because it's a nice example of
how people fail in reasoning.

As I recall, none of the NASA employees who were listed had credentials in
any of the climate sciences. One or more of them might have had a
reasonable argument, but we cannot know it from the declaration. The
declaration is making an argument based on the aura of authority coming
from working for NASA - but they lack the real authority that comes from
subject matter expertise. It fools the gullible.


(7) "...Lying About Climate Change to Advance the Green Agenda is Good
Says Peer-Reviewed Paper...
"

This was a link to a site which referenced the paper and included excerpts
or comments from the writers (I believe two Chinese economists). I don't
have time to chase down the paper. If you want me to consider it, then you
find the paper, read it, and post their line of reasoning. If you do this,
I'll read it. If you can't be bothered, then why should I?

Besides, you have already read their paper - right?



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 13 22:40:06 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What actor played the character Penn?
Answer: Jeremy Renner

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl!!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 13 19:47:37 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By


Maverick,

Noted. Will read and reply later tonight.



Bronzers,


New book on BtVS...

Slayers & Vampires (Amazon)

Following excerpts are from J.D. Biersdorfer's review, "High Stakes", in New York Times Book Review, December 3, 2017


"...At more than 500 printed pages, the book is a hefty collection of interviews from actors ... writers, producers, and academics ... For the obsessive viewer, "Slayers & Vampires" is a new primary text to pore over, with plenty of behind-the-scenes tidbits about who hated whom and how TV shows are made ... something of a cut-and-paste job ... with writers and actors directly contradicting one another as if they weren't in the same room. Nearly identical comments from the same person appearing a page or two apart also distract. Key actors like Alyson Hannigan and Nicholas Brendon ( ) are barely in the book, which is also devoid of photos ... dedicated fans are also going to notice skewed representation and authorial slips ... For those who haven't seen either (shows) hold off reading (title) unless you want plot spoilers ... Better yet, watch the original shows first ..."

Review ends ...

"...With no nostalgia-driven revival in sight, the "Buffy" legacy remains, frozen in time as a glorious pop-culture milestone and perhaps prophesied by one of the Slayer's lies from the series: 'I maybe dead, but I'm still pretty.'"



WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Dec 13 16:40:51 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Jeremy Renner



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 13 16:09:20 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What actor played the character Penn?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 13 15:22:37 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Wednesday, December 13th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Beldin
Cosmic
Visitor

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Beldin, Cosmic, Visitor!



Don't worry, we're sure to spot Faith first. She's like this cleavagy slut-bomb walking around 'Ooh, check me out, I'm wicked-cool, I'm five-by-five.'Willow, 'This Year's Girl'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 13 14:56:43 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay shade of bronze!

deadguy qod

I think Willow celebrates it in her own way, although I am not sure what that is!




Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 13 12:14:02 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for shade of bronze!

yay shade of bronze!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the happy hanukkah store - all of your holiday supplies

does willow celebrate hanakkah in a traditional way?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 13 04:49:47 2017 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Wed Dec 13 23:56:30 2017
Trivia Girl: You mean, the Annoying One?


DaddyCatALSO: To have such a city that is the Capital of two separate and vastly different states? As a single city government? No, it doesn't sound possible nor desirable. The agendas of the two states call for the city to rule in opposing ways. Much better to have a partitioned City with separate local governments that represent each of the two contradictory attitudes.


Wolfguard: My requirement for a "theory" is that it makes sense and stands up to questions that assault that sense. First of all the pedigree of "Global Warming" is flawed. It started as "Global Cooling" back in 1975, and I quote:

"The central fact is that, after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the Earth seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. Newsweek: April 28, 1975." Nowadays, it's Global Warming. The problem is that these are actually not scientific theories but are political attempts at leftist power grabs. Scientific "theories" INVITE skeptical opinions and can't wait to specifically refute them, but that's not what is happening. Global Warming skeptics are attacked ad hominem. Who can argue that cycles of the sun, volcanoes, El Nino and La Nina, sun spots, water vapor as a greenhouse gas, plate tectonics, population trends, the Heat Island Effect, etc., do not influence Earth's Climate? Yet, anyone who questions Global Warming (CO2 caused) gets personally attacked. The Global Warming industry provides full employment for many academics who put out "studies" blaming any exotic weather on Global Warming. Now, paying homage to authority figures that advocate for Global Warming is a leftist obsession. And yet Approximately 50 former NASA employees, the people who put men on the moon, pragmatic realists, think Global Warming is a lot of bunk.


Obama's War on CO2 - Cost vs Benefits


Lying About Climate Change to Advance the Green Agenda is Good Says Peer-Reviewed Paper


Wolfguard: You said "scientists" study the Heat Island Effect. If they do anything but debunk it, they've probably lost their Federal Grants (under Obama.) I've seen people claim they've adjusted raw temperature data numbers to account for this, BUT no one can obtain their methodology for it. I saw your criticism of Monte Heib's paper, and I need you to get really specific about the three levels of inadequacies you see in it. Yes, he's skeptical about H2O, the greenhouse gas, being included in Climate studies. I've, personally, never seen it and I occasionally read that kind of stuff.


Maverick


Chipmunks Roasting on an Open Fire




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Comma says:
(Wed Dec 13 02:36:53 2017 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Wed Dec 13 02:39:29 2017
I have really tried to forget what day this is the anniversary of. I have tried to write my memories of that time period, I just can't. One day maybe.

Several times I have gotten as far as when I was told what had happen. I expected to lose soldiers in a combat zone. I never expected that 248 soldiers, on a peace keeping detail, would lose their lives when the plane went down in Gander. I may get it written down someday. Maybe not.

What adds to that time of year, in 1985, my parents were married 50 years. Dad, who worked with Alabama Power in 1935, only had one day off during the year. That day was Christmas Day. Mom and Dad are now both gone.

I will said, that if anyone had told me, on 11 Dec 1985, as I headed out to the field, that I would be in Gander on 14 December, I would have had a good laugh. I lived in family quarters on Fort Campbell. When I left home, on 11 December, the quarters on the corner had yellow ribbons up and signs. The signs all read, 'Welcome Home Daddy'. Daddy never came home. The signs, with the yellow ribbon rolled in a big ball, was in the trash on the afternoon of 12 December. Without knowing it was him, in the next few days I may have placed an American flag, on his metal coffin, before he left Canada to return to American soil. If I remember correctly, as late as March 1986, there was serious talk about not being able to id everyone.

Charles



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 13 02:06:38 2017 209.159.255.231)
Anyone hereabouts?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 12 23:15:06 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who killed the Anointed One?
Answer: Spike!

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Oh So Close: OldManFan
Trivia Getting Warm: Agent Cooper!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 12 20:55:42 2017 209.159.255.231)
Agent Cooper LOL! Fury doesn't hold a candel to Whedon as far as death!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 12 19:04:46 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: The writers, of course! Probably that Fury guy. He kills off everybody.

:-)



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Dec 12 18:53:55 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - the sun.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Dec 12 17:39:58 2017 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Spike



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 12 16:37:51 2017 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Tue Dec 12 16:39:14 2017
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who killed the Anointed One?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Dec 12 15:31:41 2017 199.127.148.10)
Maverick "You mean like partitioned Berlin, which was the capital of East Germany and, earlier, just generic Germany, while Bonn, for a while, was the capital of West Germany" No, I simply mean having two national capitals being located in a single border city, run by a city council elected by all people who meet local residence requirements, regardless of citizenship, which would only be an issue for national elections.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 12 15:19:42 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, December 12th 2017 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Alicat
Ben
Chris
Movie Chick
Politesse
Theda Bara

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Alicat, Ben, Chris, Movie Chick, Politesse, Theda Bara!



Why couldn't Giles have shackles like any self-respecting bachelor? Xander, 'Living Conditions'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 12 14:49:50 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay demoriel!

deadguy qod


I think it would happen in Cleveland! Cleveland Rocks!

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Dec 12 12:35:42 2017 73.58.128.92)
Yay! DeMoriel!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Dec 12 12:30:10 2017 73.58.128.92)
Maverick--No, everyone says
it like that--they would look at
you funny if you said it "poor
boy."

Now, how would you pronounce the
following street name in New
Orleans: Tchoupitoulas :)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 12 12:18:35 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for demoriel

yay demoriel!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale reunion committee - class of 1999

assuming the scoobies reunite for holidays, where does it happen?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 12 04:52:49 2017 4.28.180.2)
Lostinamerica, Christopher Marlowe, & Maverick -

Thanks for the "yay's"


Lostinamerica & Safarigirl,

Thanks for the thoughts on the topic.



Maverick,

The flaws in Monte Heib's essay:

(1) He does not consider the life cycles of the various greenhouse gases.

(2) He does not consider marginal analysis

(3) He seems unaware of how trace amounts can effect biogeophysical
systems.


He seems to believe climate scientists are out to hookwink people. For
instance, he writes "DOE chose to NOT show water vapor as a greenhouse
gas!
" (underlining added)

Cause everyone involved in the relative sciences knows it. Hieb
acknowledges this, but appears to believe it an evasive answer. Why? I
believe because he comes from a worldview that distrusts authorities.

Run out of time on revisiting your pee-in-the-pool. However, I can make
quick reply on 'paving' and 'heat islands'. Climate scientists have long
been aware of these factors. They study them. They take them into account
in their models. So we return to who is one going to trust? Not those damn
scientists - unless he's one of those who agrees with your belief.

On rudeness: When you emailed me on posting back and forth again, you had a
condition: ~ I read your post addressed to me. I also had a condition:
civil behavior. I believe you have strayed, so either I can return to not
reading your posts or I can be rude in return, tit-for-tat. Since it's
possible I see 'rudeness" where it's not intended, I can always send you
examples of what I see as rude - if you want.


Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 12 02:40:09 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

I tried to read through your Sunday post to me which includes your
rendering of how you saw parts of our 'conversation'. I'm not going to try
to untangle it, and it is tangled. An example ...

START

WG: To that you replied ...

"... For instance the heat from the sun is transitory and is held in by
the greenhouse gases or not, so each holding molecule IS the heat source...

*MAV: That's what I said.

END

Of course it's what you said, because I cut-and-pasted it from one of your
earlier posts. It's why I put quotations marks around it. It's probably
also in italics to set it part from my own words.


In my next post I will answer your question, ~What's wrong with this~
(Monte article) and will revisit your flawed analogy on pee-in-the-pool. If
there's time, I'll comment on your observations about paved surfaces and
heat islands.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 12 01:59:13 2017 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: It doesn't work like that UNTIL someone who's been sitting around waiting to be offended by some white guy hears it. It's that new game of being a victim and claiming victimhood and then, once you are certified a "protected class," YOU get to be the Bully. BTW, did you look at the "fake faint" video I included with the lostinamerica post? I think you would find it particularly educational.


Maverick


Trans-Siberian Orchestra's Christmas Canon




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 12 01:37:45 2017 174.217.12.194)
Maverick

I don't think cultural
appropriation works like that.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Dec 12 00:47:03 2017 68.51.139.52)
lostinamerica: If I say that, I will be accused of cultural appropriation (or some other such politically correct nonsense.) BTW, have you seen This? This is the "fake faint" thing in the Rose Garden


Maverick


Carol Of The Bells




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 12 00:04:27 2017 209.159.255.231)
Maverick Yeah, there are lots of alternatives these days: soy milk, almond milk, as well as lactose-free milk!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Dec 11 22:45:18 2017 73.58.128.92)
Maverick--Don't go down to
New Orleans and ask for a poor boy,
it's po'boy!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Dec 11 22:41:58 2017 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: I often go to "Heartland America" which is an online distressed merchandise (sometimes a specific color or style does not sell well, so a company agrees to sell its remaining inventory [of that color or style] to a specialty retailer like Heartland) sales location and check the prices on things like New Balance shoes. They often originally went for $50+ retail but they will be priced at maybe $35 at Heartland. Here's a link. I've been dealing with them 20+ years and have never been disappointed. I have 3 pair of shoes right now that I wear and I got them there. Needless to say, their catalog is addicting.


Maverick


Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 11 22:12:32 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
QuestioN: The Line "Poorboy twangs the rhythm out on his kalamazoo"" is part of what CCR song?
Answer: Down on the corner

Trivia Master: DaddyCatALSO!

Trivia Not quite: Maverick. Thanks or the shoe recommendation!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Dec 11 18:16:58 2017 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: A poorboy is a New Orleans sandwich and a kazoo could be short for a Kalamazoo, so I've never followed CCR THAT closely, although I kinda like the music (although I've never been to Spain.) Not a clue.


Belated Birthday Happies on Dec. 8th to Candy Kane


Candy Kane is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #36, in Good Standing


Birthday Happies to Sachiel


Sachiel is Maverick Fanfic Recommender #38, in Good Standing


DaddyCatALSO: You mean like partitioned Berlin, which was the capital of East Germany and, earlier, just generic Germany, while Bonn, for a while, was the capital of West Germany?


Wolfguard: Further to mine regarding Heat Island effects derived from the frantic construction of paved airports (mostly after WWII). A striking difference in temperatures from the airport weather stations to the surrounding urban areas, occurred in the winter months when a blanket of cooling snow fell on both areas and, immediately, the paved airports were scraped off so that the heating of the paved surface could continue unabated while the surrounding countryside cooled considerably.


Yay, Wolfguard, Yay!


Christopher Marlowe: Sore feet? I've found New Balance athletic shoes to be the most comfortable, although Rockports were very comfortable male dress shoes. As far as lactose intollerence, perhaps you should learn to live with diversity (or try almondmilk--I frequently buy a 50-50 mixture of Almond and Coconut Milks.)


Maverick


O Come, O Come, Immanual




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Dec 11 15:25:56 2017 199.127.148.10)
Trivia Girl "Down on the Corner," and it's a type of guitar.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 11 15:20:08 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
QuestioN: The Line "Poorboy twangs the rhythm out on his kalamazoo"" is part of what CCR song?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Dec 11 14:52:00 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Monday, December 11th 2017 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Kestra Troi
Sachiel

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Kestra Troi, Sachiel!



Jeez, don't get all Movie of the Week. I was just too cheap to buy you a real present.
Dawn, 'Blood Ties''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 11 14:40:59 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay wolfguard!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Dec 11 12:48:56 2017 73.58.128.92)
Yay! wolfguard!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Dec 11 12:07:32 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for wolfguard!

yay wolfguard!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 11 03:18:37 2017 209.159.255.231)
Let it Gooooooooooooooo!!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Dec 11 01:36:42 2017 209.159.255.231)
I think it might take the whole night for my feet to recover.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 10 21:28:48 2017 209.159.255.231)
It was toys for tots distribution day! Boy are my feet sore!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Dec 10 14:16:29 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Sunday, December 10th 2017 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


sammie
surleigh
vetrena
Vodka'n'Orange

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to sammie, surleigh, vetrena, Vodka'n'Orange!



said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.Lilah, 'Deep Down'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Dec 10 13:49:01 2017 73.58.128.92)
Safarigirl--You have two
weeks until Xmas, you're good :)


wolfguard--Women should not
date men they could have given birth
to. Men should not date women they
could have fathered. See, simple,
no need for math at all :)



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Safarigirl says:
(Sun Dec 10 06:23:07 2017 199.167.117.45)
Edited: Sun Dec 10 06:36:31 2017
Salut mes amis! Just trying this
out on my Android. I'm not sure why
I'm surprised that it's working the
same as on my laptop, but I guess I
was expecting display issues or
something like that.

Anyhoo, hi all. I hope you're well
into your holiday prep by now, not
last-minute panicking like me.


Wolfguard Regarding your topic on age spread in relationships:
I do think there's a limit to it. Like, 90 year olds shouldn't be
married to 20-ish year olds. Basically if the spread is greater than
one generation, it's too much.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Dec 10 05:05:47 2017 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Sun Dec 10 20:11:33 2017
Wolfguard: Okay, I may be socially naive or rude, BUT what are YOU saying that I'm not saying. You keep saying that the sun is the source of heat. I'll stipulate that (as I've said, the sun is the original source of all energy and heat is a state of energy.) But when you lie in your bed, you do not have a little chunk of the sun in there under your covers (you seem to be claiming this) keeping you warm. Heat travels (cold does not;) we agree on this. The energy of the sun is stored in plants and we eat the plants and our bodies then burn this food and heat our bodies and, depending on the thread count of our sheets, our covers hold in our heat BUT if we get too hot, our bodies sweat (water vapor out of our pores) and if this sweat evaporates this process cools our skin. This makes sense to me. Let's look at your analysis of what I've previously said.
WG: "I did not ask you a question. I showed your 'pee in the pool' analogy was flawed."
*MAV: I must have missed that. The analogy involved relative concentrations. Both were dwarfed by the total quantities.*
WG: "In doing so, I noted the source of the heat in the pool is the pee,
while the source of the heat trapped by the greenhouse effect is the Sun."
*MAV: Well, here you're in trouble, as you're not consistent with the nature of your "sources." The source of the heat in the pool is YOU and the pee is merely a transferred source, if the source of the heat trapped by the greenhouse effect is the Sun. On the other hand, if the source is the pee, the source of the greenhouse effect is the molecules of greenhouse gases.
WG: To that you replied ...

"... For instance the heat from the sun is transitory and is held in by
the greenhouse gases or not, so each holding molecule IS the heat source...
*MAV: That's what I said.

WG: 'I replied, "By this logic, one's bed-covers are the heat source that warms
one in bed."
*MAV: Huh? Naaaw! Not even close.
WG: That's not my reasoning,
*MAV: No, That IS your reasoning. The heat source is one's body and secondarily it's water vapor that's been heated by one's body.
WG: "that's a shorter restatement of your reasoning
above. You do not understand the material well. You appear to be parroting
back what you've read through the filters of your beliefs.
*MAV: Who's socially inept and rude?
WG: "The "Deniers"1 keep shifting their argument:

- Global warming is not happening."
*MAV When you say the magic words "Global Warming," you're ONLY talking CO2.

WG: "But if it is

- It's not due to CO2."
*MAV: The earth is certainly heating AND cooling.
WG: "But if it is
*MAV: Heating and cooling
WG: "- The CO2 is coming from natural sources

But if it is coming from human activity, that activity is a minor source
compared to the natural sources."

They are not examining the evidence with an unbiased mind. They are culling
the evidence to favor the desired conclusion. Most unscientific."
*MAV: The "evidence" is frequently doctored data.

1 Shorthand for those folks who do not believe global warming is
happening or if global warming is happening it is not caused by human
activity.
*MAV: Once again, Global Warming arguments intrinsically involves CO2. If you're talking warming and cooling and other effects, some of this definitely IS caused by human activity.


Wolfguard: Let me give you an example of heating caused by human activity (having nothing specifically to do with CO2). The answer to the question: On a hot summer day, is it hotter in the middle of a grassy field or standing in the middle of a paved parking lot? It may be 10 degrees hotter in the parking lot. In 1903 two brothers in Kitty Hawk, N.C. flew a heavier than air vehicle. Early airports up through the 1930's were essentially flat grassy fields. But, once the aviation industry started building paved airports they created essentially large Heat Islands close to most cities, major and minor. Likewise, Eisenhower created the Federal Highway system in the 1950's, which were large paved areas surrounding major cities. Lots of grassy ground taken out of service and replaced by hot paved areas. And a funny thing is that frequently the weather stations, where temperature data is recorded, is located AT the airports (heat islands.) Beyond the HI effect, some other warming effects are volcanoes, plate tectonics, cycles of the sun, population increases, sunspots, etc. There is, for instance, a permanent liquid lava pool in Antarctica, under Lake Erebus. I find that AGW often has political associations, often a means of trying to redistribute income. Now, Monte Heib may not be a known quantity, but the question should not be whether he has some kind of Authority (like Al Gore) but whether he makes common sense or not. I think he does. His analysis is merely the accumulation of the work of many others.


Wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO: I have found a source for a reference to reincarnation in the Bible. Interested?


Wolfguard: How about the video of the Rose Garden "fake faint"? Have you looked at it yet?


Maverick


I Wonder As I Wander




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 10 04:56:54 2017 209.159.255.231)
Bingo wasnt' as bad as thought...not something I wanna do on a regular basis though.



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Comma says:
(Sun Dec 10 02:52:26 2017 75.143.154.113)
wolfguard: Auto correct sucks!

condone



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Dec 10 01:13:57 2017 209.159.255.231)
Ugh....believe it or not, I'm heading to Bingo. Not so much that I like it, but I got invited by my friends and have no legitimate reason not to go.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 9 21:39:43 2017 209.159.255.231)
Busy morning for me...rest now...



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 9 18:56:44 2017 71.56.125.67)
Comma,

Yours, "...While I do not condom, in anyway, his treatment of women,..."

Did you mean, "condone"? *g*



TOPIC

What's the range of opinion on the appropriate limits on the difference in ages between two people dating?

I've heard one 'rule of thumb'.

- Divide the older age by two and add seven.1

Example: A 40 year old person should not date another person younger than (40/2)+ 7 = 27

I've never seen the reasoning why the result is appropriate, but the rule provides a focus.


1 In math (OA/2) + 7, where 'OA' is short for "Older Age". A more fancy way of noting it would be Ao

(Ao/2) + 7



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Dec 9 17:01:20 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Saturday, December 9th 2017 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Kenya
liz
Mayday

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Kenya, liz, Mayday!



It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. Mal, 'Jaynestown''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 9 15:53:13 2017 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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Comma says:
(Sat Dec 9 09:08:56 2017 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Sun Dec 10 02:53:15 2017
Comments on Roy Moore:

1. The legal age, in Alabama, is 16. I am tried of the media talking about 'little girls'. While I do not condone, in anyway, his treatment of women, only two of the ones accusing him were underage.
2. No member of Congress wants him in the Senate.
3. If he is elected, if I remember right, the Senate can stop him from being sworn in.
4. If he is sworn in, the Senate will open an ethics inquiry and throw him out.
5. The Republican Alabama Governor will appoint another Republican to fill the Senate seat.
6. The Democrats will remain Grumpy Cats and the Republicans will be as happy as they can ever get.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Dec 9 04:16:40 2017 209.159.255.231)
Back from back to back meetings!

wolfguard Thank you! I will need to read that.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Dec 9 00:04:19 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

" Although it is hard to say whether Trump's plan for a wall along the
U.S.Mexican border is viable, Israel's border-security projects were both
popular and successful at achieving most of their stated aims.


"Israel's Walls: Do they Work?"

by Amos Harel in Foreign Affairs February 17, 2017



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 23:34:39 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Yeah? How effective is it?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 22:52:58 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Israel has the wall thing down pat.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 22:50:06 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Maybe Trump can promise to build another wall....



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 21:37:30 2017 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

You're not an Israeli or a Palestinian. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 21:27:48 2017 209.159.255.231)
Agent Cooper Money!!! Or a personal assistant.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 8 20:20:30 2017 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper A couple million. Or, the various Buffy books I lost to the storage place or the bedbugs, along with some old favorite fictional pieces by a couple of my favorite authors



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Dec 8 19:11:16 2017 165.225.38.71)
Santa is watching guys!

So let's answer a question. If you could have one very special present, and only one, what would it be? And it has to be something just for you. Not something everybody wants, so no "world peace" answers.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Dec 8 17:59:41 2017 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Maverick I see no actuall reason why two neighboring countries can't have their capitals in the same city.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Dec 8 15:18:48 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Friday, December 8th 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Candy Kane
Jonathon_H
newtlet
Spikmeister
slyr314

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Candy Kane, Jonathon_H, newtlet, Spikmeister, slyr314!



It's a real burden being right so often. Mal, 'Bushwhacked'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 14:39:26 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay angela!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Dec 8 14:11:08 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for angela!

yay angela!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 07:21:58 2017 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Fri Dec 8 07:26:53 2017
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not use Facebook. I believe to access a person's Facebook, as opposed to an organization's FB page, that one has to be accepted in some way? If true, then Facebook pages tie people together who have accepted each other. I'm going to assume that people who accept each other probably share similar views of the world. People who share views would also likely share links to sites that cater to the group's views, likes, dislikes, etc. So ... using Facebook means one is probably seeing the world through a filter.



I can think of only three reasons why the US should have its embassy in Jerusalem...

1) Consistency: Embassies are almost always sited in a country's capitol.

2) Cause the host country, Israel, wants the embassy in Jerusalem.1

3) Palestinians might be shocked into rethinking their negotiating strategy. OTOH, their rethinking doesn't have to move in ways that further US interests.


Against this, the following ...

1) It will anger some folks. People who are angry tend not to behave in ways that help whoever it was who angered them.

2) It might may some folks desperate. Desperate people take risky actions which might not play to US interests.

3) It doesn't help US relations with other Arab countries.

4) It lessens the trust some folks have in the US being an honest broker between Israel and the Palestinians.


I suspect the decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem was done to please some of President Trump's domestic constituents.



1 I assume this is true or at least the government of Israel wants it.



ETA Maverick

Yours, ... I don't understand why this is so puzzling to you....

You are either socially naive or simply rude. Let me return the latter. You need to sit down with a science teacher who has the time to sort through your science 'knowledge-base' and your ability to use it. Perhaps more tomorrow. Perhaps not.

WG



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Maverick says:
(Fri Dec 8 07:19:19 2017 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: The source of all energy (heat is a state of energy) is essentially the Sun. (Elsewise it could come from some radioactive elements, although that energy is minimal.) As I think about this, I do not want to ignore obvious OTHER FACTORS which contribute to climate. Also, although the Sun is the usual original source of heat, this heat gets handed off to other players and they can become the secondary sources of heat. I don't understand why this is so puzzling to you; it's a very mechanical process. To me the concept of a greenhouse gas is a molecule that can itself be heated (by kinetic energy) so that the heat is transferred to it, and it can then hold this heat for a while and function as a secondary source of heat (rather than in molecules of nitrogen, for instance, where the heat is not held.) Obviously, however, CO2 is only a trace gas and is not the PRIMARY driver of the process that helps moderate earth's temperature. H2O IS, simply because water vapor can be present in far, far, far greater quantities. What is confusing to many is that CO2 solely does not have to be the be-all-and-end-all of a temporary Warming trend. BUT if we DO end up discussing "Global Warming" then we ARE, effectively, by default in this politically-charged environment, discussing how CO2 is affecting our climate. To further confuse the issue, some of the Climate Alarmists HAVE begun calling their Sky-is-Falling scenario "Climate Change" but they still revolve their arguments around CO2, and their solutions involve tinkering with industrial production (and the U.S.'s success always seems to be the target.) Lessening CO2 is always the intended solution. But, CO2 is not a toxic poison; plants inhale CO2 and grow and WE eat the plants, and we, ourselves, exhale CO2. [This reminds me of the discussion I had with Christopher Marlowe the other night about the statistic that in the UK the new greatest source of early death is dementia (which includes Alzheimer's) which has now dethroned heart diseases as the greatest cause of early death. I pointed out that by prescribing statins the doctors are maybe solving cholesterol-related heart blockages, but they may also be starving the brain of ITS need for cholesterol to function properly.] Anyway, I DID still want to show that the earth IS heating up somewhat, or at least it should be, although this barely seems to fully be reflected in Global Warming temperature data. Perhaps Tomorrow I will explain this.


Maverick


All I Want For Christmas Is You




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 05:36:49 2017 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Fri Dec 8 05:39:35 2017
wolfguard I'm getting into the habit of digging into articles that are
linked on facebook. Usually it says something fairly inflammatory. Like with
this situation about the tax bill. I see a lot of dire warnings about how
this will affect middle-class and poorer individuals and I try to get more
balanced articles.

Or that business with Israel/Jerusalem. A number of articles/opinions I've
read pretty much see this as of no benefit to the U.S. at the best and sinking
the peace process for good at the worst.

The one lone article that is super enthusiastic, oddly enough, was on Fox (i
think). And I'm not seeing Jared Kushner pulling a peace rabbit out of a hat
anytime soon.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 03:42:50 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It can be tiresome. I have read the webpage, "Global Warming: a closer
look at the numbers." The body of it is organized in five parts, numbered
1-5. Part 4 is titled ~ Comparing Natural vs Man-Made Concentrations of
Greenhouse Gases.~ It shows five pie charts, one for each of five
greenhouse gases examined. Where does the data come from? The writer says
it's constructed from Table 1. Scroll back to part 1 and look at the table
for its source: US Department of Energy. Go back down to the footnotes,
click on the link and skim the report for its source on man-made
contributions of CO2. Don't see it. Return to Table 1. There's a footnote
in the column for source on man-made contributions of CO2. Go back down to
the footnotes to the appropriate one. There's a link with a scientific
worded article. Click on it and it takes me to www.CO2web.info created by
Tom V. Segalstad (Googled his name: Norwegian geologist and associate
professor of ~resource and environmental science).

His site is smorgasbord of graphics and bold, large font on the topic in
question. But I can't easily find the data set in question amidst it all.

Anyway, who created the "Global Warming: a closer look at the numbers"? I
didn't see a name(s) at the beginning. But, at the very end in small font
is the name 'Monte Hieb' and under it the note, last revised March 2, 2007
(over ten years ago). You can click on this name and get an email address
pop-up. When I googled the name the other night, I found it associated with
someone living in West Virginia and another search result, "mining
engineer".

*Shrug*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Dec 8 02:13:27 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Arguing with Maverick is something of a fools errand!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 01:23:56 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

I did not ask you a question. I showed your 'pee in the pool' analogy was
flawed. In doing so, I noted the source of the heat in the pool is the pee,
while the source of the heat trapped by the greenhouse effect is the Sun.

To that you replied ...

"... For instance the heat from the sun is transitory and is held in by
the greenhouse gases or not, so each holding molecule IS the heat source...


I replied, "By this logic, one's bed-covers are the heat source that warms
one in bed."

That's not my reasoning, that's a shorter restatement of your reasoning
above. You do not understand the material well. You appear to be parroting
back what you've read through the filters of your beliefs.

The "Deniers"1 keep shifting their argument:

- Global warming is not happening.

But if it is

- It's not due to CO2.

But if it is

- The CO2 is coming from natural sources

But if it is coming from human activity, that activity is a minor source
compared to the natural sources.

They are not examining the evidence with an unbiased mind. They are culling
the evidence to favor the desired conclusion. Most unscientific.


1 Shorthand for those folks who do not believe global warming is
happening or if global warming is happening it is not caused by human
activity.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Dec 8 00:52:33 2017 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Littlefinger was a sociopath, but his observation on chaos was spot on.

Spoiler on The Game of Thrones

((The "War of the Five Kingdoms" started because lords questioned
the legitimacy of Robert's son Joffrey. The question arose, because Eddard
Stark discovered evidence Jamie was the father and made that known to
Cersei. As I recall this lead Cersei to order an accident be fashioned that
would lead to Robert's death (the spiked wine before the boar hunt).

Now, Stark would not have been in a the position to have learned the above
had Littlefinger not arranged for the murder of Jon Arryn, the previous
Hand. If Robert had chosen a different person to be the new Hand - say
Tywin Lannister - then Arryn's musings on parentage would have been tossed
in the fireplace.
))

Can one person start a war?



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 7 23:22:51 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: Who was the first host of Jeopardy!
Answer: Merv Griffin

Trivia Masters: Christopher Marlowe (*g*), Maverick



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 7 21:24:40 2017 209.159.255.231)
Trivia Girl: I bet it was Merv Griffin!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 7 18:39:24 2017 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: How about Merv Griffin? Didn't he create the show?


Maverick


Merry Christmas, Darling




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 7 18:24:18 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: Don Pardo? Burt Convy?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Dec 7 18:14:41 2017 199.127.148.10)
Trivia Girl Art Fleming, I think.


RIP Christine Keeler



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Dec 7 16:05:09 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: Who was the first host of Jeopardy!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Dec 7 15:28:03 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Thursday, December 7th 2017 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Ana
Angelique's Faith
Erika Amato
KANE
moppety
Witchy Woman
Xander 13

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ana, Angelique's Faith, Erika Amato
KANE, moppety, Witchy Woman, Xander 13!



Mal: And I never back down from a fight. Inara: Yes, you do! You do all the time!'Shindig'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Dec 7 14:42:48 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay fantasma!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Dec 7 14:12:17 2017 165.225.38.71)
Wolfguard: Baelish Littlefinger is the poster child for everything that's wrong with Westeros. And, IMHO, a cautionary parable for alot of what's wrong in our real world today.

MAJOR GAME OF THRONES SPOILER: This guy is personally responsible for starting what amounts to a world war which gets thousands of people killed just to further his own personal ambition. And he ends up with his throat cut for it. Quite deservedly, too!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Dec 7 12:03:33 2017 73.58.128.92)
Belated Yay! Dogmeat!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Dec 7 11:58:01 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fantasma!

yay fantasma!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 7 09:28:57 2017 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Thu Dec 7 09:32:07 2017
Wolfguard: I'm watching Season Seven of "Walking Dead." Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Negan is funny. Finally finished. {The Rose Garden video I sent was dated Thursday 11/30 and the link was identified by the words Lady Patriot. Here's another link to the video labeled "fake faint"} On how a greenhouse gas holds heat in the atmosphere, a greenhouse gas molecule (could be CO2, could be Methane, etc.) gets heated and so the heat is temporarily held by the molecule. Same with water vapor (a greenhouse gas) molecules. On a hot day in the summer often the rain is actually warm, even hot. In your bed heat source question, YOU are the source and are heating water vapor coming off your skin through the pores and the water vapor molecules become the secondary (transferred) heat source. If this water vapor is allowed to evaporate (escape) into the air, the skin is cooled (why we sweat); however a cover can somewhat prevent this escape. Likewise, on a cold night in winter, cloud (condensed water vapor) cover can hold in radiated heat from the ground and it doesn't get so cold; but the lack of cloud cover (the heated molecules of water vapor) will allow the heat of the day to readily dissipate into space and it will be much colder at night. I always use the example from my childhood where they used to say, "It's too cold to snow," which just means, in a backassward way, no clouds (snow source) to hold the heat in at night and so it gets colder.


Maverick


Mary, Did You Know?




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 7 02:18:21 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

From your post ...

"... For instance the heat from the sun is transitory and is held in by the
greenhouse gases or not, so each holding molecule IS the heat source...

"

By this logic, one's bed-covers are the heat source that warms one in bed.

PFFT


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 7 02:11:52 2017 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

I haven't checked my email since this afternoon - haven't seen the video.

My post on your swimming pool analogy was written before reading the 'article'
you linked. Having read it, no need to change anything in the post.

Trying to parse your run-off sentence of a post. Will get back once I've done
so.

WG



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 7 02:06:28 2017 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: I meant to ask you what you thought of the Rose Garden video I sent you of the Obama heroic fakery. This is emblematic of everything he has stood for and the scamming that his administration has foisted upon America.


Maverick


Christmas Is Coming




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 7 01:47:16 2017 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Dec 7 04:54:18 2017
Maverick,

I read your link earlier tonight. It came across as something written by a
bright high school student with a point to prove (see the repeated, ~ water
vapor ignored ~). Some of the references were close to two decades old. I hope
to come back and comment on it more fully later tonight.

And I'll do numbers!

Oh, who wrote it? I didn't see a name.



ETA Monte Hieb created the page.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Thu Dec 7 01:24:29 2017 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: With kindness as a random act.


Wolfguard: Well, you jumped the gun. You need to absorb the calculations (in the "what's wrong with this") link I provided BEFORE you can really evaluate whether (and not ALL CO2, but only human-involved industrial production CO2, and not even all that but only the INCREASE in human-involved industrial production CO2); THAT amount of CO2 influences the atmosphere in about the same relative way as peeing in a pool will change the temperature of the water in the pool. Once you get back on track with this, there are other assumptions you've made that are also questionable. For instance the heat from the sun is transitory and is held in by the greenhouse gases or not, so each holding molecule IS the heat source. Now remember I specified that I'm only talking about the the increase of industrial produced CO2, BUT even if you take the 400 ppm figure, that's percentage-wise 40 parts per 100,000 and only 4 parts per 10,000. Only 1 part per 10,000 should, at most, be considered.


DaddyCatALSO: CO2 IS relatively stable BUT IS as variable as atmospheric H2O. Plants breathe in CO2 during the day (needs sunlight) when they perform photosynthesis and exhale O2; then, during the night, they exhale just a bit of CO2 whereas people exhale CO2 all day and all night. BUT the concentrations of CO2 are significantly less during the day. Now, when do you think AGW Alarmists measure CO2? Day or Night? Also, think about this. In 1960 there were 3 Billion people in the world; today there are over 7 Billion, each breathing in O2 and BREATHING OUT CO2. That has ADDED lots of CO2 to the atmosphere on a daily, hourly basis. Also, in the Amazon rainforest, which used to be thought of as the "lungs" of our earth (removing loads of CO2 from the atmosphere and providing lots of O2) vast deforestation has been allowed which changed (decreased) the amount of CO2 that previously had been pulled out of the air, replacing it with O2 resulting in a net INCREASE of CO2. Another process that needs to be seriously looked at is many people believe that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is actually a lagging indicator as a result of a heating atmosphere. In other words the heat comes first and subsequently releases CO2 versus the opposite: an increase of CO2 somehow causing additional heat. Historically this seems to have validity. The arguments are compelling.


Belated Yay! to Paksenarrion


Paksenarrion is Maverick Fanfic Recommender # 55 in good standing.


Finally finished Season Five (final) of "Bates Motel," a worthy effort and very well done. Freddie Highmore (a Brit doing an American accent [he also does it for "The Good Doctor"] is fabulous as Norman Bates as well as Vera Farmiga as mother Norma Bates. Casting was so spot on which guaranteed a success.


John Conyers has resigned from Congress, recommending his son as his replacement. Conyers has been an obstacle to blacks integrating naturally into the culture, as he has led the effort to build the urban plantation as a warehouse source of Democrat votes. Interesting, John's wife Monica was on Detroit's City Council and pled guilty of taking a bribe and she spent 27 months (of a 37 month sentence.) The family seems to have a certain attitude of entitlement.


Maverick


All I Want For Christmas Is You




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wolfguard says:
(Thu Dec 7 00:22:25 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

"Chaos isnt a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never
get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb,
they cling to the real or the gods or love. Only the ladder is real. The climb
is all there is."

- Littlefinger, The Game of Thrones


One of the disadvantages in hewing to transactional diplomacy are the results
can disappear as the players disappear. When President Trump leaves office the
stage will be reset.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 6 23:23:12 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Well, at least Trump didn't make Jerusalem Israel's capital via tweet!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 6 23:09:47 2017 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Wed Dec 6 23:22:20 2017
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: How did Lilah kill Linwood?
Answer: decapitation


Trivia Master: OldManFan!
Trivia Songman: Agent Cooper!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 6 20:47:51 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: Softly. With her song.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 6 18:44:34 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

I've not yet read the linked article, so cannot comment on your observation. That said, another fact about CO2 is it's a by-product of the combustion of fossil fuels. Since the combustion of fossil fuels accelerated in the past few centuries, so has the emission of CO2 into the atmosphere.

....


Why Nigeria needs multi-lingual soldiers

...Nonetheless, the Nigerian military is seen as one of the most nationalistic and unifying institutions in the country - with many of its personnel in cross-cultural marriages because of their postings.

A soldier will have served in all parts of Nigeria - Africa's most populous country - during the course of his or her career.

For those with a gift for languages, it is an opportunity to learn in the areas they are deployed or from colleagues from other regions.

English is the formal language of the military and government - and even with the new requirement, will remain the official language.

But in the years after independence in 1960, there were more northerners at junior levels of the army, meaning that Hausa, the lingua franca of the north, was often used to aid communication between the lower ranks and officers...
"

Source (BBC)



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Dec 6 17:44:50 2017 199.127.148.10)
Maverick wolfguard One flaw in the water-vapor- CO2 comparison is that water vapor has always been known to be a variable component of the atmosphere. CO2 is a stable component. So, increasing the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere by releasing the ancient carbon of coal, oil, and gas cannot help but to increase the atmosphere's capacity to hold in heat.



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Dec 6 17:06:19 2017 24.3.106.169)
Trivia Girl - booby trapped office furniture sliced his head off.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Dec 6 16:08:30 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: How did Lilah kill Linwood?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Dec 6 14:53:08 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Wednesday, December 6th 2017 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Angelphyre
Batra
Kansas
School Girl
Zindarella

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Angelphyre, Batra, Kansas, School Girl, Zindarella



Oh, Pacey! You blind idiot. Can't you see she doesn't love you? Spike, 'Out of My Mind''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 6 14:33:53 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay dogmeat!

deadguy qod

That's a tough question for me right now. Given the statement by Kai not that long ago. It would depend on the project, I think.


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 6 14:26:18 2017 165.225.38.71)
Deadguy question - Since the Marvel movies His Jossness is wealthy beyond imagination. Even after the divorce, and the inevitable harassment legal settlements that are surely coming, he'll still have more money than I can comprehend logically. He probably has to hire Stephen Hawking and rent 3 days of time on a supercomputer to accurately calculate his wealth at tax time.

So.... no.


I will however, donate a few Bronze Bucks to the annual "Pay Down Thoin's Bar Tab Holiday Fund."



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Dec 6 14:17:20 2017 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe *OUCH!*

:-)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Dec 6 12:30:09 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dogmeat!

yay dogmeat!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

slayers, the next generation - a gofundme project with excellent perks

if joss were financing his next project through online means (gofundme, indiegogo, etc.) would you be a backer?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 6 07:56:25 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By 2 of 2

Belated Yay Paksenarrion!


Belated Yay Jaan Quidam!


Bleated Yay Petrona!




Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


Which of the scoobies is on Santa's nice list or naughty list this year?

Spike, Willow, Faith, and Xander have some explaining to do.



Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Does Angel go Christmas shopping (or any kind of shopping)?

No, but he did stand-in for Santa Claus at the Sunnydale Mall in 1998.



Bleated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Which of the scoobies is the easiest to shop for?

Giles

A book, a pack of eyeglass wipes, or a cuppa tea.




Magick


Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Dec 6 07:42:04 2017 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By 1 0f 2

Maverick,

I do not know if anything is wrong with it till I read and ponder on it - which I cannot do at 0151H. *g*

Until then, a quick comment on the 'peeing in the pool' analogy (email). For those others reading, the analogy went something like this ...


- The impact of CO2 on the atmosphere was similar to the impact of heat from urine peed into a swimming pool on the temperature of the swimming pool.-


Let's begin with the amount of urine ...

How much urine in a single whiz? Some quick and dirty research says the average bladder holds 1.5-2.0 cups or urine.

Another site noted, "The scientists calculated that one 220,000-gallon, commercial-size swimming pool contained almost 20 gallons of urine. In a residential pool (20-by-40-foot, five-feet deep), that would translate to about two gallons of pee."1

First off, the proportion of pee to pool water is 1/110,000 which is probably much larger than the ratio of CO2 to the rest of the components of the atmosphere.2 On the surface, this favors the argument that CO2 is too inconsequential to be causing global warming. The flaw in the analogy, which undermines the argument, is the warming mechanisms are different. Follow ...

The pee in the pool is the source of the heat. Fresh pee is probably around body temperature, ~98.6 degrees F. Swimming pools are around 77-82 degrees F. Heat flows from hot regions to colder regions via radiation and/or conduction and/or convection. The heat in the pee will move into the surrounding water until equilibrium is reached. Soon the pee will be the temperature of the surrounding water.

The CO2 in the atmosphere is not the source of the heat. The source of the heat is the Sun. Sunlight hoses the Earth. Some of the sunlight is reflected by clouds-ice-shiny surfaces and the rest is absorbed by land and sea and then radiated as infrared back through the atmosphere into space. Some of the infrared will be trapped as heat by various gases in the atmosphere.

The analogy fails.


1"Health Shots" (NPR)

2 The atmosphere is a mixture of gases with nitrogen comprising around 78% and oxygen around 21%. All the other stuff are referred to as trace gases, each less than 1%.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 6 04:18:45 2017 209.159.255.231)
Rather Quiet tonight!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 6 03:01:03 2017 209.159.255.231)
Maverick What have you been
up to?



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Maverick says:
(Wed Dec 6 02:54:35 2017 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Wed Dec 6 02:55:23 2017
Trivia Girl: Luci(fer) DeVil(le).


Wolfguard: What's wrong with THIS?


Maverick


Last Christmas




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Dec 6 02:15:01 2017 209.159.255.231)
Finally home!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 22:09:42 2017 209.159.255.231)
*pokes* Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 20:26:27 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Hah! Interesting answer!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Dec 5 19:52:37 2017 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: Arthur Fonzarelli



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 5 19:35:00 2017 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Sarah Michelle Gellar?


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Dec 5 15:53:58 2017 166.137.126.130|206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
James Stanley



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Dec 5 15:35:58 2017 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who possessed Buffy in
the episode 'I Only Have Eyes for
You'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Dec 5 14:54:25 2017 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, December 5th 2017 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!


Amy Acker as Winifred 'Fred' Burkle
Den Mother of the Lurkers

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Den Mother and Amy Acker!



It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. Mal, 'Jaynestown''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 14:41:34 2017 209.159.255.231)
yay paksenarrion!

deadguy qod

Buffy - Nice
Anya -Nice
Xander - Naughty
Willow - Naughty
Tara - Nice
Dawn - Nice
Cordy - Nice
Spike - Naughty

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Dec 5 14:36:23 2017 73.58.128.92)
Happy Belated Birthday neonate!


Yay! Paks!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Dec 5 12:26:33 2017 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for paksenarrion

yay paksenarrion!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale santaland - we've got the ho ho hoes

which of the scoobies is on santa's nice list or naughty list this year?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 5 04:52:35 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

They depend on folks falling asleep or experiencing 'glazed-eyes syndrome'.
*g*

Anti-abortion "bill" or a rider on the tax bill?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 04:41:26 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I think I fell asleep after section 401. *g* When the House and Senate version differ, I understand there is a 'reconciliation process before they are voted upon again?

I also saw mention that a number of non-tax related amendments were put in into the bill, ie an anti-abortion bill.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 5 03:33:05 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

*

The * is a link to the text of the tax bill. (I could not make the link work
with a longer description than the *. Perhaps a portent? *g*)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 5 03:02:36 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Step 1. Read the proposed legislation.

Today, I believe on "Press Pool", it was reported that the Senate has a
different take on some parts of the bill, i.e. the House wants X, and the
Senate wants X-Different/Not. So ...

Step 2. Why?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 02:54:03 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I've read and heard multiple conflicting reports about the tax bill. Trying to figure out is difficult, but at some point things get sifted down to something more comprehensible. It's perfectly clear at least that there will be people and organizations who benefit from the tax bill, and others who will be very hurt by this bill. So that creates 'sides' depending on which organizations or people you support.

I honestly don't know whether this bill helps or hurt me personally, but I do know that this bill was hastily put together with horse-trading and whatnot that borders on the ridiculous. Something this complex was shoved through more to get it done than a good tax reform bill.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Dec 5 02:33:16 2017 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

None of us have the time or expertise to research all the things that might
matter to us. We depend on signals - licenses, certifications, reviews,
opinions of people we trust. We also depend on our worldviews. People who
don't trust government believe information and points-of-view that confirm
that belief. Same for people who don't trust corporations. Back in 2009 or
so, you asked why won't (some) people trust Obama on health care? I asked
you, would you trust McCain on healthcare? No - if not hesitant.

Take the proposed tax bill. Today on CNN or MSNBC, one participant noted
several mainstream organizations1 whose analysis concluded the
bill would end up costing middle-class taxpayers. Another participant said
there were similar organizations whose analysis concluded the opposite,
e.g. the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. One
could counter, both of those favor free-markets and limited government 'so
of course they would conclude the tax bill will work. And that's where it
ended - each side trust the organization that bolsters their beliefs or
inclinations.

Most all economic policies have some sort of underlying model. What is it?
How does it work? What's the evidence for it? What are the assumptions
made?

For instance, assume economic growth of X% could cut employment to Y% and
government debt to Z%. Assume tax cuts of TC% would create that growth.
There you go. If you already belief, that may be all you need. If you
don't, check the assumptions and the details.

Now rewrite the above replacing tax cuts with increases in the minimum
wage. Role reversal. The reality is that even those who disagree with tax
cuts or minimum wage increases probably will not analyze their opponent's
policies for weaknesses, because they already 'know' the weaknesses are
there. They know the relevant litany. No time need be spared to think.


1 I knew them all, but don't remember one of them now.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Dec 5 00:32:46 2017 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Kind of making a mountain of a molehill. Reading one article about vaccines and that being the entire basis of your anti-vaccine attitude.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Dec 4 22:42:26 2017 209.159.255.231)
unnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Quotes
Question: Who once said "A little learning is a dangerous thing."?
Answer: Pope

Trivia Know it Alls: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan, wolfguard!