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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Apr 10 11:49:05 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for werewolf123

yay werewolf123!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the society for the preservation of long questions

there were some complaints that demons had become too public on both btvs and angel, with the explosion in the number of slayers have they withdrawn back into hiding?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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white wings says:
(Tue Apr 10 06:35:41 2018 70.112.135.184)
Maverick - Really sad stories. Except for the one about Rush Limbaugh. Ebdim9th
was thinking of programs scanning PMs to isolate objectionable text. The concept is objectionable
to me, but FB is privately owned and there are terms of use. If they pass "Death to Infidels" and
leave up videos of beheadings, but bar "He is Risen" as unsafe, the only recourse is to
make it public and see who objects.

Did you see that a teacher's union is threatening to stop trading with Wells Fargo if they continue
handling NRA banking? Your union dollars at work.

wolfguard - Xi Jinping is offering to reduce auto tariffs and adjust the % of foreign ownership
allowed. It's not a finished agreement but it would seem that China is responding to the new style in
spite of all the pronouncements that a trade war that would destroy us all was inevitable, oh my. Too
early to judge, of course.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Apr 10 05:39:47 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: Pugsley.


white wings, Wolfguard: Further adventures of the Steelworker's Union in Johnstown, Pa. I told you about the Bethlehem Steel and union negotiations and how Bethlehem eventually went bankrupt. The largest building in the town HAD been the David J. McDonald Building (a former union president) and ironically it then became the welfare office. The union's greed (or it might be more accurate to call them on their stupidity) led to the end of steel production in the area. (When I watched the Sally Field movie "Norma Rae" I was horrified to see this kind of thinking glorified. She stood on a work table with the Union sign and her job went to Pakistan or Sri Lanka.) As Jesus once said, "They know not what they do." Anyway, a continuation of this: After Bethlehem was finished in Johnstown, many, many were out of work and years went by and a company named Tri-Co (or maybe just Trico) got interested and the papers reported they wanted to revive the Wheel Plant facilities that still existed in Johnstown. (They had made railroad car wheels as a casting.) Naturally the workers who had worked at the Bethlehem Wheel Plant were still around town, having run out of unemployment, and were probably at that time on some kind of welfare, etc. In other words in sad shape without the prospect of a job. So, anyway Trico investigated for a while and eventually bought the plant (for a song, I understand) and they got to the point where they interviewed some of the old workers (they were going to hire maybe 50-70 people) and they even tentatively hired a few to get the facilities into shape, and then once they were committed to a re-opening, the few workers they had (and whose wages were agreed to, etc.) suddenly unionized and made their new demands and just as suddenly the whole thing went away. The union had once again reared its ugly head and chased the jobs out of town.


white wings, Wolfguard: Regarding bots, etc., I remember that Rush Limbaugh once found out he had a bot problem. Anyone remember Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University law student, who Rush got sideways with over birth control at a Catholic school. Here's some info on it, if you've forgotten it. Anyway, eventually there was a call on his sponsors to boycott Rush's show. The advertisers were deluged by threatening letters and e-mails and some even complied and refused to continue sponsoring. BUT, Rush investigated and discovered that the deluge (thousands) of complaints were being produced by only around 10 people using bots to create them. When he informed his sponsors with proof, many returned. End of story.


Maverick


Reflections of My Life




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 10 03:45:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I agree. *g* More tomorrow night.



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white wings says:
(Tue Apr 10 02:46:09 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Tue Apr 10 04:22:43 2018
Yay lostinamerica!

Happy Birthday cats, Dunlin, faithx5, and Thera!

Belated Happy Birthday MOPS and Roja!

Christopher Marlowe, wolfguard, Ebdim9th, lostinamerica - This board is the closest I've come to a social media account. *g*

I was deeply suspicious of Facebook when I heard that one had to agree that any content stored on their site belonged to them. When they updated their systems long ago and all privacy settings defaulted to open, I knew that they had no regard for anyone's personal privacy. I feel remarkably cynical that they are all contrite about giving data to an outfit that might have let Republicans see it, while they've been giving the Democrats equal access for even longer. They don't talk about restricting that. So it's not the access that they feel guilty about, just who they gave it to.

"bots" can't be trusted. They are only a tool, and they always have to be watched. But who watches the watchers? Who creates a culture of objectivity and ethics? Does anyone remember what those strange things were?

We are already being watched and monitored and photographed. Sometimes it helps. They wouldn't have homed in on the Austin bomber without security cameras. Other times ... oh, I'll just stew in my own paranoia until I get bored. *g*

Ebdim9th - Did your weather perk up today? Mine was rather nice yesterday. So much so that I went driving on highways and byways to look for wildflowers. Today it was gray and though it wasn't all that chilly, I just looked outside and pulled on a fleece top.

wolfguard - Creating and maintaining a prosperous global trading economy is poorly done through tweets, chants, and rallies fueled by fear and anger.

LOL! I must not have watched the same rallies that you have. I haven't seen public fear or anger channeled by Trump at the Chinese or other trading partners. I've seen him consistently tell the crowds that the Chinese have looked after their country as they should, and he didn't blame them for having been better negotiators than their counterparts in this country. I've seen enthusiasm and anger generated during his rallies for fighting internal political foes, and I've seen outright fear and hatred generated towards him and his followers at Democratic rallies. But that had nothing to do with trade policies. The tweets are arguable. I think he's using them to poke and prod. You might prefer measured discourse and quiet meetings around large conference tables as having more decorum. I might generally prefer that myself - it makes me less nervous. Our trading partners would certainly prefer it, as it has worked for them for years. Perhaps they need to be less comfortable about the potential results. It's frankly too soon to judge of results. I went from thinking him an utter joke to realizing that he was the only candidate who could win the election, and I very much did not want Hillary to win, so now I'm giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to things that are strange to me.

I would point out that if you'd had a state dinner with someone and were calmly informed over chocolate cake that he'd ordered 59 Tomahawk missiles fired, you might not take him or his tweets as totally lacking in substance. There may be more calculation than you give him credit for. Or less than I do. *g*

China was very much humiliated in past centuries. However, they may have treated other countries roughly when they were ascendant, and they always had the most utter contempt for anyone who wasn't them, so it was to some extent a dose of their own medicine. Of course like much abuse, instead of creating a desire to break the cycle, it only perpetuated it. I'm not sure that anything excuses the Opium wars, or the little that I think I know about them.

As for overestimating their strengths and underestimating American tendencies to violence, time will tell. They are not themselves a gentle, peace loving government. We'll see.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 10 02:42:25 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

No. *g*


Lostinamerica,

The salesperson could not process my purchase without filling it in, because
that's the way the company had the program written. No sale.


WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Apr 10 02:37:05 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--OMG, that is one of my pet peeves--SO MANY forms ask for your
SSN, especially medical forms. I never fill it in and have yet to be questioned
about it. I was with my elderly mother once at the doctor and there she was,
dutifully filling it in. I told her never to do that again, her SSN needs to be
kept private, and she was so worried she would get into trouble--unfortunately
senior citizens are rule followers :(



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 10 01:56:33 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard General question I saw on another board. Could society survive if no one could lie?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 10 01:21:50 2018 4.28.180.2)
Lostinamerica,

Once I was going to change cell phone companies, but to join I would have
had to have provided them my social security number. Why?! The salesperson
said the online application had a SSN data field and without filling it in
she could not continue the process. Again, why do you/they need it? She
shrugged. I decided not to go with this company.


Ebdim9th,

I believe there's a difference in purpose between collecting data and
scanning data. Collecting is create samples for statistical analysis for
various purposes: marketing, policy-making, etc. Scanning is locating and
identifying something. The two could be combined, because statistical
analysis of data might identify what one needs to scan for.

Facebook is one of those companies that is said to benefit from network
effects - the more people who use it, the more it attracts other people.
Microsoft's Windows operating systems benefited from the network effect,
because the more people who used it, the more software developers created
programs/apps that ran on Windows which in turn made Windows more attractive
to would-be buyers.

Having said that, I'm wondering how Facebook becomes more attractive as more
people use it. I can see how it would become more attractive to advertisers
and people wanting large data sets, but most of them aren't the people who
use Facebook to "connect". Viewers watch TV for entertaining programs and
networks sell the audience to advertisers. Advertisers value large
audiences, but I believe most users don't watch a show because there's a
large audience.

I'll to ponder more. *g*


I do believe most people will usually default to taking the easy option. I
imagine it's easier to use Facebook than to build your own bulletin board.



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 10 01:11:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geography
Question: Which state has the most lakes?
Answer: Alaska!

Trivia I borrowed the answer from her...notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 10 00:37:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
Slow day! Not helped by me having to go straight from work to a board meeting.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 9 18:51:42 2018 174.217.15.134)
Agent Cooper

Hey! How was your weekend?

Notsoshygirl

Exceptional answer as usual.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Apr 9 14:46:45 2018 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
Alaska has the most lakes, with over 3 million lakes. In the contiguous US, Minnesota is advertised as the state with over 10,000 lakes, but Michigan has over 62,000 natural and man-made lakes.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 9 13:34:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geography
Question: Which state has the most lakes?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Apr 9 12:54:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Sunday, April 9th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


cats
Dunlin
faithx5
Thera

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cats, Dunlin, faithx5, Thera!



Mmm. Wife soup. I must've done good. Wash, 'War Stories''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 9 12:38:43 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay lostinamerica!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Apr 9 12:16:36 2018 73.58.128.92)
Yay! me!

*wait a minute, haven't I been yayed recently? Ah, yes, my evil minions must
have hacked into the YayoftheDay and inserted my name, aaawww, so sweet of
them*



ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard, Ebdim9th--Some friends and I were talking
about Facebook last week and I voiced my disappointment that Facebook is now just
like every other large company, selling its soul to the money men in order to
keep the business going. What happened to the peace and love and connecting the
world part?

One of my friends said Zuckerberg et al were young when they started Facebook and
so were just naive, but they're not young now--did they keep their distance and
not know what was happening with their company, or did they know and just
accepted it as the cost of doing business? I mean, really--why DO they want all
that personal info from people who sign up?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Apr 9 11:37:21 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lostinamerica!

yay lostinamerica!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Ebdim9th says:
(Mon Apr 9 02:52:39 2018 98.90.90.118)
Edited: Mon Apr 9 02:55:23 2018
lostinamerica Christopher Marlowe, Wolfguard

I think semi-retro is an answer ... the revival of the bulletin board .. it's basically what Facebook ripped off .. there's no practical reason why we can't go back to go forward .. it just means we have to split up into multiple websites again, decentralize ..... how little or much work? Anybody who wants something bad enough will put all the work necessary into it. Building those massive 800 plus megabyte FB pages that each of us has took a lot of work, how much more or less would it take to go gather back at separately owned BB sites again? Hell, the Stephen King Message Board is hopping... every time I go over there (they've had to close on weekends lately) the place is, for it's relatively smaller membership size, as busy as Facebook, percentage-comparison wise. There's always a fair bit of activity. Rarely a quiet moment .. there are European members there late at night and American members during the day (I'm oversimplifying but you get the picture, different groups, always there twenty four hours a day). So I know other sites can attract steady membership besides these 'bad actors' .... If people are motivated enough ....



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Apr 9 02:14:31 2018 73.58.128.92)
ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard,
Ebdim9th
--I have no social media
accounts, and won't until they stop
asking for info they have no need
of. The same goes for apps.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 9 01:28:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard, ebdim9th Enforced transparency?



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Apr 8 22:44:50 2018 98.90.90.118)
Edited: Sun Apr 8 22:49:31 2018
WG I just don't know what they're scanning for, and do they sell the whole of someone's message history in a zipfile to a third party? Somewhere along the line there's got to be a less-than-scrupulous employee that lives to get such things and go through them before passing them on ... (lol, btw, I like some things analog! :P )

CM (I just realized, leaving the m lower-case, you're C minor) I think some of those internet data collectors, buyers and sellers would like us to think the horse is already out of the barn so we'll sit down and stop fighting them. I don't think it's irrevocable that we can't figure a way around intrusions .....



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 8 22:31:54 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Bring back analog.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 8 21:58:56 2018 174.217.17.218)
Ebdim9th, wolfguard

I don't think we can put the
privacy genie back into the bottle.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 8 19:36:03 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sun Apr 8 19:38:23 2018
Ebdim9th,

I do not use Facebook. Somewhere(s) I've read Facebook and/or Google have
edited content either for legal or social reasons (social - remove something
someone might find offensive).

As I understand Facebook, it does try to match users' interests with the
stories it feeds their page. For instance, if you're use suggest you're
interested in orchestras, then Facebook will look for similar content to
send you. This is why some people believe Facebook creates and divides
communities. 1

I don't think 'bots' read so much as search for specified pattern. I don't
think Facebook or Google have enough employees2 to read much.
Seriously, how many words are written on Facebook every 24 hours? How many
Facebook overseers would be needed to read just a million words a day?

Somewhere I remember Google or Facebook was using editors to choose the news
they put on their feeds. Some people believed human editors might be bias in
how they picked stories.


ETA I imagine a bot could both find and edit text. It would be similar to
the 'search and replace' function in a word processing app.


1 I don't think Facebook intended this result, but that it
emerged from the business model. Another example: Once upon a time young
people did their courting on the front porch or living room where parents
could monitor them. And then there were living rooms on wheels - cars. OMG!
I don't think Henry Ford intended the resulting behaviors.

2 Though perhaps they outsource it?



WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Apr 8 16:47:54 2018 64.28.52.183)
lostinamerica white wings
our weather here is just as bi-
polar as I am ... now it's a bit
chilly today, clouds clearing and I
am hopeful ...

alarming news, the veteran research
and discuss crew here, what do
y'all think? (CM WG et al)
Facebook, according to tech 'guru'
Kim Komando, has been using bots to
read every single private message
of every single user on Facebook.
If the bot finds something
'inappropriate' a real live human
sits down and begins reading one's
private messages .... so what does
'inappropriate' mean? Isn't that
much like a landlord renting you an
apartment, and six years into your
lease, though Facebook is free,
still has a lot of advertisements
on our newsfeeds, finding that
they've tapped your apartment,
recording everything that goes on
in it?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 8 15:02:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Sunday, April 8th C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Emma Caulfield as Anyanka/Anya
MOPS
Roja

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Emma Caulfield, MOPS, Roja!



We're in love. We're ... lovers. We're lesbian, gay-type lovers. Willow, 'Checkpoint''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 8 13:58:23 2018 174.217.40.198)
My internet is down..birthdays will
have to be later.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Apr 8 12:28:52 2018 73.58.128.92)
Ebdim9th--At least you're above freezing!

Though we've had a LOT of rain lately, and that's getting very old :(


Happy Birthday slayerdaddy!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 8 05:48:01 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

"Working in the reference" LOL

Creating and maintaining a prosperous global trading economy is poorly
done through tweets, chants, and rallies fueled by fear and anger.

China has been rising and falling for centuries. The last couple hundred
years were miserable and humiliating for them. Now things are looking up,
but they may have overestimated their strengths.

"...Especially now that the United States is in the midst of as serious
economic crisis, which will undoubtedly result in some reduction of its
vast military expenditures, the essential bellicosity of Americans might be
overlooked. Like the British, the Americans are pragmatic and commercial to
a fault, but when attacked they behave most unpragmatically and
uncommercially, with a decided preference for maximum force even when there
are more restrained and cheaper options. Hence, Chinese faith in clever
Warring States statecraft, to gain much with little violence, an almost
symbolic bold stroke perhaps, might collide catastrophically with an
altogether more violence American response...
"

The Rise of China vs. The Logic Of Strategy, Edward N. Luttwak,
copyright 2012, pp.85-86



WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Apr 8 05:36:15 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - I'm glad the meetings were OK. *g*

Has your whirligig of fun stopped for the weekend, or are you going to keep
moving and meeting tomorrow?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 7 23:39:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
And I'm heading out again soon!!!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 7 22:24:39 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings They were ok with it, thank goodness. *g*



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white wings says:
(Sat Apr 7 20:11:34 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday aglaea, BuffySummers81, and slayerdaddy!

Christopher Marlowe - Good afternoon. I hope you've recovered from your epic day of meetings. I confess that I was a little shocked at your cheating on one meeting with another, but as long as the meetings are OK with it, I guess it's no harm, no foul. *g* You might want to look into Agent Cooper's time turner suggestion.

Ebdim9th - Good afternoon! I hope the rain and lightning have let up. Nasty weather passed to the north of me, and I can't say that I mind missing it although a just little rain to wash out the oak pollen wouldn't have been objectionable. It's been fairly dry, but with lowering skies, and cold air. Yesterday it was in the 80s. Today it's in the 40s. It was startling to go from thin cotton to pulling out the fleece tops.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Apr 7 15:13:24 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Saturday, April 7th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


aglaea
BuffySummers81
Slayerdaddy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to AngelicShadow, Apollo/Justin/Buffy Fan, Chrissie, Liche, Lisa!



You're not gonna jokey-rhyme your way out of this one. Willow, 'Pangs''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Apr 7 14:27:13 2018 64.28.52.183)
Edited: Sat Apr 7 14:27:37 2018
Good rainy morning Bronzey folks,
rivulets and violets, and lightning
touching down..... :P



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Apr 7 13:36:49 2018 209.159.255.231)
good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Apr 7 12:20:21 2018 73.58.128.92)
Belated Happy Birthday
seniorslayer!



Belated Yay! Aramina!



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white wings says:
(Sat Apr 7 05:59:25 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Aramina!

Happy Birthday borrowed girl, Mencius, Moonbeam, and seniorslayer!

Maverick - My family was on the other side of the fence, so I grew up definitely not pro-union. Your story made me want to leap up and down and go "SEE?" ;-) I'm still more of that mindset, but I now think it would be awful if unions ceased to exist. I've read and heard of the things management can do if left unchecked, although I expect you have stories of worse things. I haven't seen it so much since I work for the state where the personnel rules are ponderous and slow. But I know that the rules for my state are at least partly affected by the presence of unions elsewhere. I think that we were both driven from the edges into a middle POV.

wolfguard - You made me think of my farrier way back when. He was part vet, and part steel worker. When I first knew him, his forge was charcoal. People had to move really fast if a bit of a coal or a spark blew out of the forge onto a horse's haunch. Much later, he showed up with a brand new forge. I've forgotten what it was, but there was no coal, and there was an intense heat blowing from it. He was very proud of it, and we didn't have to worry about horses leaping around. But instead of a spreading chestnut tree, we had a spreading mesquite tree.

Hah, I had a whole paragraph composed, AND included the Marshall Plan, but you beat me to it, and said it much better, except that I said that we "learned from the terms of surrender for WW1 that grinding people to dust only works for Master bones." I claim points for working in that reference. *g*

Voluntary modernization doesn't come easily or cheaply. Look at the automobile industry, and think how long we were using carburetors after the rest of the world had fuel injection. The influx of cars from Japan and Europe forced the change. Which begs the question, if their vehicles were so much more desirable (and they seemed to be), why did they need to have tariffs or duties or import limits on US cars, which they definitely did and do?

Anyway, labor costs and older, more expensive production methods, along with environmental regs and probably other factors, were causing a considerable slowdown in our steel industry for a long time. But there seems to have been a general finger-pointing at the Chinese dumping as the nail in the coffin. I think the market is a lot more complicated than that, given that we weren't importing that much Chinese steel. Something happened with almost every country who isn't China to get the tariffs removed. Did they give us anything? I haven't heard. But I haven't heard the steel people wailing over that. It might just be my news sources, I don't know.

The Dragon has been visible for anyone with eyes to see for years before 2008. It's never going to go away. The trick is to come to a livable equilibrium, and that will never happen until they are regarded with respect instead of as an economic opportunity, and they learn that there are limits for them just as there are for the rest of the world.

Time for more Benadryl. My oak trees are still trying to kill me, but they are starting to leaf out. Those blooms can't stay forever.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 6 23:26:17 2018 209.159.255.231)
ahh...home for a little while...board meeting tonight!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 22:54:20 2018 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

Losing a war can be a great incentive towards learning.1 Winners
can become complacent. For about 10 or 15 years the world was the US'
oyster. US businesses could charge what they wanted on world markets so were
willing to spread the wealth to labor. Did labor demand more? Sure. Did the
US steel industry fail to innovate? Looks like they rested a bit too long on
their laurels.

In this particular case, Europe "benefited" from starting afresh and with
some funding from the US Marshall Plan. But the US didn't provide that aid
from the goodness of its heart. We believed Europe and Japan had to be
strong to ward off the USSR.

Beyond Europe, the US wanted to write the rules for how the world would
work. We gained much from doing so, but it wasn't free. If you want to be
the Hegemon, the Godfather, the Uber-Patron - well then, you're going to
have to hand-out goodies and suffer some free-riders. When you find that
tiresome enough that you want others to pay more, then they're going to
demand more say. They may even decide you're a has-been. China has been
feeling this way towards the US since the fall of 2008. The Panda suit came
off to reveal the Dragon within.


1 To really lose, you have to blame the loss on someone else -
Germany in the 20's.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 20:51:50 2018 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

The story told and the way its told says something about the writer. *g*

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Apr 6 20:03:45 2018 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe - A Time Turner would have come in handy.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Apr 6 19:28:57 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard I don't really think about that in specifics; I do want the reader to take *something* away form it, and I enjoy when they communicate this back to me, but I tend to lack an overt agenda.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 18:19:53 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Maverick,

Noted. Will read and reply later tonight.


DaddyCatALSO,

Yes, but what do you want your readers to think or feel as they read the
story? When they finish, what will they remember?

I'm assuming you care and in this I may be wrong. Some people write for
themselves alone.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Apr 6 14:22:10 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfgaurd well, I already wrote the part where Willow comes back in 2012,, during our 2012 fic contest. Of course, that was before I had decided to make her responsible for what I called (Twice in the same story!!!) "their brave new world." and I have other ideas besides doing an origin for it



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Apr 6 12:44:33 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Friday, April 6th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


borrowed girl
Mencius
Moonbeam
seniorslayer

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to borrowed girl, Mencius, Moonbeam, seniorslayer!



The next time you decide to stab me in the back... have the guts to do it to my face.
Mal, 'Ariel''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Apr 6 12:43:51 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for aramina!

yay aramina!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Apr 6 07:00:05 2018 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: I personally know things about the U.S. Steel Industry as I was born and raised in Johnstown, PA, and graduated high school in 1963. (And my father retired from Bethlehem Steel.) In 1963, the steel industry was still going great guns--many of my fellow high school students figured they would get employed by the local steel mills (mostly Bethlehem Steel) but, in reality, steel production was already in decline. Why? Well, my father told me that after WWII a bunch of Japanese people toured the wire mill where he worked. The Japanese rebuilt their steel plants after the war and used state of the art processes. So did the Germans. In the meantime the Steelworkers' Union had gotten very cocky during WWII and shortly afterwards, and they felt they had power they could push. I was raised in a strongly union family and in a Democratic town (our newspaper was "The Tribune Democrat.") But I was always skeptical of the Union/Management relationship and how very unsophisticated (and resentful) the Union was. For instance, there were several Strikes when I was very young, and I remember how adversely they affected our family and other union families. But these strikes were absolutely necessary, per the union. But then I specifically remember a much later union/company negotiation where the union demanded among its other proposals, for any employee who had 15 years service (it might have been 20 years) that every 5 years thereafter these employees would get 15 weeks vacation in addition to their normal vacation (which could have been 3 or 4 weeks per year.) I remember feeling at the time that this was nutty; the companies could not afford to pay all these people AND also pay their replacements to do the actual work. Well, they DID strike and the strike went on for quite a while and hurt union families and I thought the union would drop the 15 weeks vacation gambit, but no, they didn't, and eventually the company DID give in. The problem is, though, that company/union negotiations were never really on an equal footing. The Union could always act emotionally and suicidally, but the company always had to act responsibly. If a strike would put the company out of business, it might not be able to recover. In this case, in my opinion, the union got greedy and killed the goose that laid the golden eggs; the 15 weeks vacation provision was emblematic of their attitude. Considering the international rivalry, the U.S. Steel Industry's cost structure was no longer competitive and it lost market share, and in addition those who negotiated trade deals always thought the U.S. could become a service economy and could do without manufacturing capability. People in my old hometown were shocked when Bethlehem Steel went bankrupt. Frankly, they thought the company was playing some kind of trick to screw the workers.


Maverick


Eternal Flame




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 03:52:16 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

"Scampering" - the new form of magick. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 6 03:38:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Because the two venues I needed to be at were only a block apart. I had a focus group at 5 pm, but another critical meeting at 5:30 pm. So it was at 5 pm at the first venue, hoofing it to the second venue at 5:30 and scampering back to the first venue at 6 pm.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 03:29:50 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

What I remembered of the history of the US steel industry is that it peaked
decades ago and the more profitable work was being done by specialty mini-
mills. I just googled ~ US steel industry history. Summary - peaked by the
mid-60s. China wasn't exporting steel. In 1966 the 'Cultural Revolution'
erupted, essentially an inter-generational civil war that lasted till around
1976.

Also came across an article by Stephen Mihm titled, "How the US squandered
its steel superiority", an opinion piece on Bloomberg View. Here's
the outline ...

(1) After WWII the three big US steel companies - Bethlehem, Republic, and
US Steel - continued using the "open hearth" method.

(2) A "basic oxygen" plant was built in Linz Austria in 1948 and went online
in 1952.

- It cost 40-50% less to build

- It's operating cost were 25% less

- It had four times the output/hour.


(3) A few years later the first electric-arc mill was built in Europe. These
mills do small-scale specialty work.

(4) The US steel industry continued using 'open hearth' mills.

(5) In 1957 Congress asked the big steel executives how they were doing,
were the Europeans a threat? No. We are more innovative.

(6) In the 1960s the US steel companies began building 'basic oxygen' mills,
but too little, too late.

(7) In 1969 Ken Iverson (sp?) has first electric arc mill built in US (the
company was Nucor, perhaps now the largest US steel manufacturer).


From the article, ~ as soon as the prices begin to rise so that steel began
to be profitable they (US steel companies) stopped modernizing ~

Iverson died in 2002. Shortly before (]) he said ...

"Unless you're under intense competitive pressure and it becomes a question
of the survival of the business to do it, you're going to lapse back into
your old ways. There's no other answer." (I take that last sentence to mean
if you want to see innovation, you have to have competition)


Nucor is asking for protection, i.e. a tariff (or NTB)



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 02:01:14 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

How did you pull that off?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 6 01:55:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Strange in the sense that I was attempting to be in two places at once and partially successful in that endeavor.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Apr 6 01:52:33 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Strange?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Apr 6 00:55:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
finally home...it's been a long strange day.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 5 21:17:22 2018 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

How long, how many words? What do you want your reader to walk away thinking
or feeling?

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Apr 5 20:54:49 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: A Phronistery is a secluded, holy place where men go to learn how to cultivate and maintain truly epic afros.

1970s Leo Sayer is their Prophet.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Thu Apr 5 20:49:00 2018 64.28.52.183)
Trivia Girl a sanctuary where wayward phrons find peace and refuge?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Apr 5 19:33:12 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard That's one fall-down point. she, with Amy in tow, broods a while over the broken world, she really has little specific motivation left. At some point, not sure how long, she senses a possible danger rising.
Giles and the coven are trying to hold on to independence with local supprotersin Bath. They've been joined by Watchers and Potnetials who have fled the London Floods, and also by scientists and technicians. DarkWillow senses their life-magic could be a threat to her nebulous plans.
So she and Amy fly off to challenge them, and lose badly enough to have their basic humanity restored, and they go through a far more extreme regimen of repentance and reeducation than Willow did in canon.
by 2012, they realize that fighting the demon tribes and the degenerating climate has become hopeless, so without attempting to communicate, Willow casts a spell letting their commune piggy-back on the portal opened by a tribe of Frost Giants who try to attack Sunnydale; in the process it finally awakens WhiteWillow and when the Giants a re stopped they appeal for refguge. Buffy tells them they have to ask the political leaders, not her magical faction (there isa third faction, the planning group.) And Willow reintroduces herself to everyone, a nd her son meets Tara's, Buffy's and Faith's sons, who are about the same age



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 5 18:08:09 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

What happens to your DarkWillow after she kills, through her actions, a
billion odd people? What happens to your audience who relate(d) to Willow?

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Apr 5 15:28:23 2018 206.124.19.186)
Trivia Girl
1.A place for thinking.
2.(humorous) The toilet; the lavatory.
3.An establishment devoted to education or study.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Apr 5 15:16:01 2018 199.127.148.10)
Edited: Thu Apr 5 15:25:58 2018
wolfguard Jonathan never had his change of heart, so Buffy didn't know to smash the orbs, Warren beat her to a pulp, and the Troika escaped with the money without having to use the jetpacks. Given the size of the haul, they decide to move on to other pastures.
The day Buffy gets out of rehab (very quickly due to Slayer healing) Rack and Tucker show up. they have a mind-controlled Amy cast a spell briefly immobilizing everyone, & R&T dose Willow with a magical poison which turns her, without grief or rage, into DarkWillow. Thinking to use her as a weapon, they take her to t he MAgic Box where she absorbs basically not just the books, also drains the magic items etc.
At this point, s he regains some control and proceeds to also drain both rack and Tucker, absorbing not just their power but a good bit of the evil natures as well. So DarkWillow takes off, all the good things in her life turned into horror.
I've decided to add even more tot his early power-up phase; she scoots up to LA, and does the same thing with Skip, Sahjan, and Cyvus Vail ( that last guy one of Giles's "there are several, you just don't want to meet them.")
Charged with all this power and delinquency, DarkWillow decides not to do a mercy killing on the world, but instead to devastate it: wildfires, tsunamis, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes, landslides, meteor strikes.
Her I borrow form the Rifts role-playing game; the deaths of probably well over a billion people, certainly hundreds of millions, in a very short time act as a massive sacrifice. Portals open up, and demons by the army-full, monsters in flocks and herds, even science fictional aliens, even other-dimensional humans, pour out. They destroy most of the immediate survivors and enslave most of the rest. And these portals continue opening for the next decade .
A few free human enclaves survive, one being the Free County of Dale, since their police and National Guard are backed up by Buffy, Faith, Tara, Xander, Anya, Clem,and Wesley, and a squad of Potentials.

Agent Cooper That is actually a thing I depend on in my main "Children Of the 'Dale" ficverse, the scattered folks who know about demons. Xander's slightly older cousin Lee: when he was 8, his family went up to a lakeside resort. There was a demon family there, Lee met their child and they went fishing together. Cutter the rogue demon hunter loses his family and neighbors to a demon attack and he turns to killing them in response. Jared Millik is form a family in Sunnydale who know the score but keep quiet, and so does he until he sees Buffy in action one night. Even my 'verse's version of Amber Benson herself; she appears on a sitcom from 1999-2004 and her usual make-up artist, Var, is from one of the more peaceful types of demon (one of the many kinds the Scourge hunt down)0 who uses a magical disguise to walk among humans. Shortly into filming the second season, she "comes out" to Amber, who keeps her secret a nd they become very good friends. (No, Amber never appears in a fic.) Heck, Lee and Var even meet during "Hells Bells" and eventually marry.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Apr 5 14:35:29 2018 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe RE Enquirer - Yes! That's struck me as spot on.

Like in the movie Men In Black, where J picks up all the super market scream sheets and tells K "this is the REAL news!"

I bet it's the same in the Buffyverse. There's a few people in the know about the truth, and they can shout it in the streets all they want but almost nobody will ever believe them.

And the authorities know but won't say anything, and in fact actively work to cover things up. "Gangs on PCP...."

So yeah, I can see Buffy picking up the Enquirer with a huge headline on the front page "VAMPIRE ATTACKS ON THE INCREASE WORLDWIDE" and reading it with a knowing smile while everybody else scoffs.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 5 12:56:12 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Language
Question: What is a Phronistery?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Apr 5 12:45:19 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Thursday, April 5th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Bex
CainWolf
littlefluffybunny
Neela Sanghrajka
Noetic Concordance
Ravenmunim
Saati

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bex, CainWolf, littlefluffybunny
Neela Sanghrajka, Noetic Concordance, Ravenmunim, Saati
!



Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs! Anya, 'Triangle''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayoftheDay says:
(Thu Apr 5 12:27:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for myst!

yay myst!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 5 03:46:17 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

Noted. Will try to read and reply tonight. *g*

WG



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white wings says:
(Thu Apr 5 02:53:39 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Thu Apr 5 02:55:16 2018
wolfguard - Saudi Arabia was a stabilizing influence, but they would
swing things for their own benefit. They'd raise production to lower gas
prices around US presidential elections, if it suited them, for example.
Their version of stability did not always coincide with our version of
stability, especially when it came to religious movements. I think they
lost control over Venezuela, and when Russia turned out to be a major oil
producer, they never had control. But they did try.

I believe they do need to maintain some level of production for the health of
their oil fields, but I don't remember hearing that that was ever a problem.
Their problem was that they could no longer dictate to the rest of the world
just by threatening to cut off oil shipments. Russia was producing heavily.
The US was producing again, thanks to fracking. Their attempt to drive
fracking out of the market by overproducing and dropping the price of oil cost
them severely, enough that they are going to be selling shares in Saudi
Aramco. They had all of the far-flung royal family on the take, and while
they had kept the populace fairly quiet with social programs and heavy-handed
priests and a very efficient police, if they lost their money that might get
to be a really bad problem. They had the example of Iran to look at.

I really admire the civilized way the current heir tried to consolidate his
power (assuming it works long term). He locked his relatives up in one of
the finest hotels they had, until they paid a large enough ransom to render
themselves less of a threat. No one died. So far. So far as we know. But
it all seemed so civilized.

I don't know how he can wrench his country around to the social changes he
wants to make and keep things stable, but it may be that his generation is
just flat out ready.

P.S. This is too much thinking after a long spell of not thinking. I'm going
to wash my hair. *g*



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white wings says:
(Thu Apr 5 02:30:54 2018 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - What I read was that the Chinese greatly expanded their steel production during a period of high demand, and when the demand lessened they were stuck with a lot of plants and workers and excess steel, which then got dumped on the world market at less than the usual price. Apparently they've reduced some of the excess production, but not all of it.

Since the Chinese steel industry is state owned, it's harder to figure actual costs even if we had the details. I expect the workers are lower paid, commensurate with a much lower cost (and standard) of living. I'm pretty sure they don't have dental. *g* They use coal, also a state owned industry, and we've no idea what it costs to get to the steel mills, but we can be pretty sure they aren't spending as much to burn it, since they've been destroying their air quality with particulates. They are probably polluting rivers with wild abandon as well, since that was what our steel mills used to do. So yes, their costs are lower, well beyond salaries.

Since you bring up unions, I really think unions could do with a lot of curbing these days. Right now they are a business whose main goal in life is enriching their officers and running sections of political campaigns. When I think that some states (Michigan?) allowed them to force people caring for disabled family members into a union and confiscate part of the payments, I really see red. I don't care what stray benefits the union negotiators might manage to get for them, people in that position don't need that kind of grief from people hypocritically claiming to be improving their lives. What are they going to do, negotiate the hours they can spend taking care of someone with Alzheimer's in their home? But I digress. Unquestionably having unions does increase costs even beyond the increase in workers' salaries, but history has shown that there's a severe human cost to having no unions at all, particularly in manufacturing environments. Without labor laws, companies also run rampant. Even in right to work states, companies have to be cognizant that if they push too hard a union might move in. So there's another social balancing act. For the moment, it's easier to just assume them as a fact of life.

So we have higher labor costs and higher built in manufacturing costs, some of which we don't want to remove, because we like breathing and having rivers that don't catch fire, and dental. Competing directly with a foreign government whose economy is strong is a lot to ask of our industries, even without those handicaps. So the question might be do we want to have a steel industry or do we not? I would like to have one. Then there's a question of how much do you protect them?

Maybe you fire a shot across the bows of other countries, and you use the tariffs as a bargaining chip for negotiations with everyone but the one you are trying to keep from destroying your industry, and maybe they'll pull back a little, and then you can let your industry try to make it on its own. But it takes a little time and back and forth, and a real balancing act. Maybe you fail. But not doing anything wasn't having a very positive effect either. It isn't just a matter of competing manufacturing costs, not by a long shot. No one else is pushing free trade, except for this country. Other countries are all setting import limits and tariffs and taxes and duties. So maybe you talk steel and you get an easing of import limits for something else, and you do something else with another country, and maybe somewhere you get just enough relief for your steel industry. Lots of maybes.

Mind, I'm not saying I would have pushed for a strategy full of maybes. Previous presidents have failed miserably. Now I'm seeing a possibility of success and thinking maybe it's not so bad.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 5 02:13:22 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

I'm not current on OPEC politics, but there was a time when its member
states could be divided into those who needed to sell every barrel of oil
they could and those who did not. An effective cartel needs members who
abide by their quotas, and those countries who needed to sell every barrel
they could often cheated on their quota. Of course this often lead to the
price dropping. To minimize that Saudi Arabia would cuts its output - it
would take the revenue hit to keep the price stable.1 Saudi
Arabia (KSA) was also willing on occasion to make-up any difference caused
by OPEC members who cut production in the attempt to force concessions on
the West. The KSA wanted a stable world economy - it had investments in the
West - and was willing to play the role of swing producer.

The KSA is no longer as able or as willing to do this. In part, because
apparently a certain level of production is needed to keep the oil fields
optimal. Perhaps more importantly, KSA is now one of those OPEC members that
needs all the money it can get. It has debt and is running a deficit. For a
long time all the conservative Gulf countries have discussed what was to be
done for the time when the oil ran out. Several have diversified their
economies and now KSA has accelerated its plans. What's different than
before are some of the social and political actions.

There's also Iran, the arch nemesis of the Arab Gulf states.

Finally, for the last ~35 years KSA had been getting their king from the
same group of brothers and they were way past prime. Mohammad bin Salman is
the new generation.


1 It's a bit more complicated than just said: 8 million barrels
cut to 6 million barrels doesn't hurt revenues if the cut holds the price
high enough.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Apr 5 01:08:12 2018 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

A "variant season 6"? Do tell. *g*


White Wings,

A number of countries have used tariffs and non-tariff barriers (NTB) to
favor home industries. The US did this for most of its history. Why do we
want to favor home industries? Jobs. Out of 100 counties that saw jobs lost
to China, 89 of them voted for candidate Trump. Why did the jobs go to
China? Because the labor component of production could be done by unskilled
or semiskilled labor which could be had cheaper in China.1

Let's do a hypothetical. Imagine jobs in industry X in the US went to China.
Besides the lost of jobs what are some of the other effects? If Americans
still want the products made by industry X, then they will have to buy them
from China (assume no other country makes the product). If this product was
the only item traded between the US and China, then a trade deficit will
arise.2 How might we correct this?

Some believe if there were no unions then we might lower labor wages in the
US until they were competitive with the Chinese. This will not happen,
because labor will put up a political fight. Anyone who is pushing political
solutions for economic problems is a person who cannot, with a straight
face, champion free markets. I accept the reality that real-world markets
embedded in society, culture, and politics so I know the problem won't be
solved by driving down US labor wages. So what's next?

Tariffs. We'll raise the price of the Chinese product until the American-
made version is "competitive". But what does that mean? If if cost $10 in
the US, then we'll set the tariff such that the Chinese product is, pick
one: $10 or more than $10?3 This assumes nothing changes in
supply and demand of the product. If something significant changes, then we
may have to rethink the tariff rates. OTOH, we might begin by creating a
formula that adjusts for such changes ... This reeks of the beginnings of
central planning.

But say we do it. What happens next? China might find it can longer export
the product to the US and if the US still wanted the product, then American
workers could be put back to work making it. Who will they sell it to? Not
China, because China can make it cheaper. It will be sold to Americans who
will now pay a higher price for the product.

This is a perennial question: Do we want to do good by the producer or the
consumer? Most of us want to make good money, but pay low prices. How do we
square that circle here? American manufacturers might decide to substitute
labor with technology. And that's what many of them have done over the
years. The US manufactures, in value, more than it ever has before - it just
uses less labor to do it. How will tariffs change that?

More in a bit.


1 China is no longer the cheapest place to make things. If
unskilled/semi-skilled labor is a significant part of the production
process, then there are other places one might go.

2 In the real-world we have to net out the trade in all products
between the US and China to see if there was a deficit or surplus and for
which country.

3 If we set it for $10, then the two products would compete on
other factors - design, features, quality, etc. If more than $10 then the
Chinese product would have to be a better version of the product.



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Apr 5 00:01:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What band composed the theme music for Buffy?
Answer: Nerf Herder

Category: Angel
Question: What band composed the theme music for Angel?
Answer: Darling Violetta

Trivia Master: Maverick!

Trivia almost there! Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 4 23:33:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Home



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white wings says:
(Wed Apr 4 19:22:11 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Wed Apr 4 23:35:53 2018
Happy Birthday denial, DestructoGirl, emma, haramislt, Jen the Pasty One,
Paris Angel, The Avatar, Wednesday Adams, and WillowWicca!


wolfguard - What problem(s) do you think will be addressed by
trade tariffs?
I don't know all of the problems that exist or all of the
consequences. Tariffs, duties, import restrictions, government
subsidies/favors to support local industries, etc., are all tools to help or
hinder on either side. No other country has been afraid to use them against
us. I see no harm in letting the world know that we can use the same methods
that they do. The theory that we are so marvelous and great that we are
unaffected by anything the rest of the world does seem to have resulted in a
lot of closed businesses and unemployed people. The trick is to succeed.
It wouldn't be my talent. I'm just sitting back with the popcorn and watching
the ongoing negotiations. Watching Trump and all the people yelping about
him in the news (none of whom has any record of successes to bring to the
discussion) reminds me starkly of going in with my father to negotiate for my
first car. I was instructed to keep quiet if I thought that he was too, ah,
aggressive, and that if he got up and walked out I should get up and follow
without argument (at least until we were outside). In the event it was a bit
direct for my comfort, but quite civilized. *g* It seems to me that things
might go better if Trump wasn't having to negotiate with the people in his
face and also the people at his back bearing knives, and the people to the
right and to the left of him. But of course no one knows how good Trump might
be, or will believe it if he does succeed, so it's inevitable. I guess it's
The American Way. *g*

The Japanese have had a practice for many years of not allowing any new
technology in their country unless the company divulges all their techniques
to the Japanese government. All under NDAs, of course, and just to
be sure that there isn't already some Japanese firm using the same techniques.
And then it will suddenly turn up a Japanese company using too similar
techniques, and the American company is shut out. It is possible to take the
matter to a Japanese court and win. Bluebell Ice Cream did. Someone I know
who invented a 3-D CT scan (or some such thing) got a whole wad of cash over
it. But you have to be prepared for it and be lucky. It sounds as though
the Chinese are doing the exact same thing, only there's no recourse. That's
another issue in the current negotiations that no one else apparently ever
attempted to correct. I'm not sure what will be workable or reliable in a
case like this. More popcorn.

The Saudis didn't want to ruin the entire US oil industry, because it wasn't a
threat to them. The old technology was running out of supplies and the feds
weren't opening any lands for exploration. The companies were a useful
source of talent and knowledge for keeping their own fields open. With that
status quo, they remained firmly in control. Fracking was and is a serious
threat. They didn't just weed out the weak. They failed to understand that
oil fields opened by fracking could be idled and brought back into operation
very quickly, which I am told is not at all the case with the traditional oil
wells. So there's been a sea change in politics and economic thrust over
there (at least as long as the current heir apparent isn't assassinated).
Gotta give them credit for assessing the situation and trying to adjust. It
seems to be a lot more difficult for us.

Trump's efforts to help one industry may well hurt another. He is not come to
destroy capitalism, but to promote it. What I've seen from coal executives
was not that they were upset about gas. They just wanted their own industry
to be unshackled. If they couldn't survive in the market place, then they
couldn't, but they had a chance. They definitely couldn't survive a
malevolent government.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Apr 4 19:20:10 2018 199.127.148.10)
Christopher Marlowe[.b] Bat-boy was Weekly World News



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 4 18:51:46 2018 174.217.28.73)
Agent Cooper

Mind you, with the bat boy story,
national enquirer would be
respectable journalism in the
whedonverse.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Apr 4 17:40:47 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl - Heh. ISWYDT.

Yellow Journalism

Trivia Girl II - I don't know who composed it, but Nerf Herder plays Buffy's theme.

Trivia Girl III - Angel Theme? The Sex Pistols. Or should have.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Apr 4 17:17:23 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: Buffy Theme Nerf Herder


Angel Theme Darling Violetta


Maverick




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Apr 4 14:27:19 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Few things are as good a device for adding suspense as the prospect of a wall of water soon to descend*g. And plausibly the loss of support for the town itself could weaken surrounding structures.
Luckily, I only have to deal with the crater in "Children Of the 'Dale." In "The World Beyond the Wall," early in S-7 a way is discovered to banish supernatural evil from earth a the cost of a group of heroes choosing permanent exile. So those stories are set in the Ringworld-like planet they are exiled *to*. "Ice Age Buffy" has civilization destroyed by a series of not-so-natural cataclysms just after a variant S6, and the deaths of a over a billion become sacrificial energy opening portals to worlds from which armies of demons pour.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Apr 4 13:21:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What band composed the theme music for Buffy?

Category: Angel
Question: What band composed the theme music for Angel?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Apr 4 12:40:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, April 4th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


denial
DestructoGirl
emma
haramislt
Jen the Pasty One
Paris Angel
The Avatar
Wednesday Adams
WillowWicca

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to denial, DestructoGirl, emma, haramislt
Jen the Pasty One, Paris Angel, The Avatar, Wednesday Adams, WillowWicca, Chrissie, Liche, Lisa!



Well, a gathering is brie, mellow song stylings; shindig, dip, less mellow song stylings, perhaps a large amount of malt beverage, and hootenanny, well, it's chock full of hoot, just a little bit of nanny. Oz, 'Dead Man's Party''

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YayoftheDay says:
(Wed Apr 4 12:32:07 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for the partyman!

yay the partyman!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:


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where does Giles spend more of his time these days?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 4 03:11:09 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

All I 'know' of the substance of the tests are the titles: applied math,
workplace documents, and ~graphical literacy. One of the sites appeared to
associate one's level of tested skill with different careers. From this
point I'm playing off this description.

Take "Applied Math". What sort of math does one need to do a particular job?

In Strength of Numbers the author devoted a chapter to this question.
He categorized mathematics into five levels, 1 being the most basic and 5
the most advanced. For each category he noted the sort of jobs or
professions would demand its level. For instance, category 5 = three years
of calculus and a semester of statistics. What professions would need to
perform at this level? Engineers and physical scientists.

The same author believed managers needed a semester or a year of calculus
and a semester of statistics. Some might question whether this is really
necessary for all managers. OTOH, knowing how to think with statistics is
critical for any business manager.1

For most of the professions it seemed one could get by quite well knowing
arithmetic and a bit of algebra. If this is true, then a test like those
done by NCRC would be unjustly discriminate someone only if it demanded more
math skill than a particular job needed. For instance, to be a salesperson
you need to be able to do matrix algebra. No, you don't need it. OTOH, if
such were the case, then the test would be discriminating against everyone
who did not know matrix algebra, but who might have been applying for a
sales job.

How can it be said that such a test discriminates against groups? One would
have to show matrix algebra was being offered or not offered to different
groups, because they were different (or more subtly the learning environment
was better or worst depending on the group).


Some related notes:


Larry Summers, the economist, has said trigonometry should be replaced with
probability, because most people would have more use for it. I think this is
true, so long as one is not seeking to be an engineer or physical scientist.

One person who both practices and teaches programming said programmers do
not need to know that much math; however, computer scientists needed to be
highly fluent in mathematics.

Many people will find some use for basic geometry during the course of their
life (example - measuring floor space for carpet). OTOH, if learn to read
and use basic math formulas, then you can look up what you need. So is
geometry necessary for most people? Once upon a time geometry wasn't taught
so much to be used as it was taught as a way to train a person to reason. It
was a means to a higher ends.


1 Off this, I had a statistics professor who believed if you
did't understand integral calculus, then you really couldn't understand
statistical reasoning. He had utter disdain for the "cookbook" way
statistics was taught to most college students.



WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Apr 4 02:43:25 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Clarrie!

Happy Birthday AngelicShadow, Apollo/Justin, Buffy Fan, Chrissie, Liche, and Lisa!

Belated Happy birthday Aylaking, Cori, Pooka, skull_uk, Tsarian, The Bunny Mistress!


lostinamerica - We watched the first half of The Ten Commandments, then everyone wanted to go to bed, thinking we might continue the next day. The next day we were faced with King of Kings and Ben Hur, and there was only so much we could do. *g*

Still not thinking or engaging, especially not on anything so awful sounding as a Certificate. The one thing I am fixed on is taking the remains of my SIL's green bean casserole and putting out in the garbage, even if I already put the bin at end of the driveway. It was fine on day one, quite tolerable (and doubtless healthy) on day two. I am not going to face it on day three, except in a plastic bag. Also, she has left town. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 4 02:37:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Thank you for
that interesting article, some of
the arguements against it are
familiar.

I think the certificate is
discriminatory in sort of another
way that isn't obvious. I'm in a
secretarial position. I've been
taking the 'pretest' for this
certificate, but even with a
small sample of questions I've
seen, most of it doesn't really
seem to apply to my own job.

So even if I got the highest
certification level, that would
not have been any guarantee that
I could do the job well.

I can easily believe this being
used to discriminate. It sort of
reminds of how they blocked
African-Americans from voting.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 4 02:09:12 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

One site thinks it depends ...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/given-a-test-to-apply-for-a-job-watch-out-
if-you-are-not-a-white-man/


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Apr 4 01:55:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I would really
like hard numbers on how useful
this NCRC is to people looking for
a job. I want one for the ego boo.
*g*



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Apr 4 00:45:38 2018 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

I became a fan of MFU during its original airing, but did not see it again
until early 90's. Most of the stories did not age well.1 To me,
the MFU verse will always be the one created by author David McDaniel in his
seven novels and Vaughn, McCallum, and Carroll's portrayal of Solo,
Kuryakin, and Waverly.2

Returning to BtVS. In my version the Sunnydale Crater becomes the Sunnydale
Bay before the summer ended. I don't remember having any long term reason
for doing it. By 8.2 Xander and several slayers returned to recover the
bodies of those killed in the Chosen battle. I used the impending
breach of the ocean to add suspense. Nothing more. *g*


1 Nor did most of the technologies (two exceptions of note being
the UNCLE communicator and the UNCLE Special - their service gun).

2 And we'll always have April Dancer / Stephanie Powers. *g*


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 3 23:46:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Press
Question: What newspaper is known
as "The Gray Lady"?
Answer: New York Times

Agent Cooper Wouldn't that
be Yellow Journalism? *g*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Apr 3 20:38:09 2018 199.127.148.10)
Edited: Tue Apr 3 20:41:02 2018
wolfguard Can't really respond to that; I was one of t hose very few early 60s Monster Kids who never became a mid-60s Spy Kid. It's arguable that I've seen more Man From UNCLE ep.s in the past 4 years on METV than I did in my entire life up until t hen, except for the reunion movie itself which my best f riend in the 80s wanted to see:-).

As for Sunnydale, I figure the town was rebuilt on the southern-by-southwestern lip of the crater, giving easier access t o t he docks and airport, and the crater has both Federal monument , Cali state park and city park status. Overlooking the lip is the second most expensive neighborhood in town.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Apr 3 19:47:10 2018 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Wed Apr 4 05:52:43 2018
Trivia Girl: "The Washington Post." The old grey lady is was Katharine Graham, played by Meryl Streep in the recent movie, "The Post." She (Katharine, not Meryl) was also the inventor of the eponymous cracker. (Anyone buying this?)


Agent Cooper: Pretty effective, no? Next, I'm going to police "to", "too", "two", and "tutu."


Christopher Marlowe: I'm certain there ARE study guides with sample questions, etc., for the National Career Readiness Certificate, and I looked up some of them but what scared me--what always scares me--is that they gave no prices, so I am skeptical about some of the "programs" that are set up. So, maybe just check Amazon for a reasonably-priced book that will provide practice tests, etc.


Agent Cooper: Here's another Link. Aristotle said "the mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." But hiding from a logical presentation is a Lefty Thing.


Yay, clarrie, yay!


clarrie is Maverick Fanfic Recommender No. 54, in Good Standing


Maverick


White Room




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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Apr 3 19:47:03 2018 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe: The Enquirer?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 3 18:39:33 2018 71.56.125.67)
DaddyCatALSO,

*G* May be they are interesting, because I stay anchored to canon. *g*

Do you recall The Fifteen Years Later Affair, aka 'The Return of the
Man from UNCLE? It was a television movie of the series than came out in the
early 80's. What were Napoleon and Illya doing when UNCLE called them back?

((Napoleon was marketing computer systems and Illya was a fashion
designer.
))

I don't know it I'd have gone that way, but if I had chosen these two
professions for them I would have switched the two. Yet, thinking of the
cliche and the canon - brooding, indifference to the models, focused on the
art - yeah, right call for Illya - and interesting. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 3 18:31:29 2018 209.159.255.231)
[Agent Cooper[/b] I like to know what is the Pink Lady of newspapers.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Apr 3 16:34:25 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfgaurd Your takes on the Memorial Quod questions are usually so interesting, wish you w eren't so bound to canon on who's' reading or doing things *weg.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Apr 3 15:15:18 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: The NY Times. With their "layers of fact checkers!" *rolls eyes*



Notsoshygirl: Yes! Yes we should. With floats. And dancers. And a firetruck that sprays free root beer on the adoring throngs lining the streets. :-P



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 3 13:05:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
Yay Clarrie!!

deadguy qod

Xander wins the pool!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Apr 3 12:59:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Press
Question: What newspaper is known
as "The Gray Lady"?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Apr 3 12:45:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, April 3rd 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


AngelicShadow
Apollo/Justin
Buffy Fan
Chrissie
Liche
Lisa

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to AngelicShadow, Apollo/Justin/Buffy Fan, Chrissie, Liche, Lisa!



Buffy: How was school today? Dawn: The usual. A big square building filled with boredom and despair. Buffy: Just how I remember it. 'Blood Ties'

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Apr 3 12:38:25 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze
cheer for clarrie

yay clarrie!

today's deadguy memorial
buffy tuesday question is brought
to you by:

willie's sunnydale gaming book
biggest paydays ever

which scooby wins the march
madness pool?



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 3 07:00:16 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Tue Apr 3 07:01:38 2018
Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

What current books and movies are the scoobies enjoying?

Buffy - Sapiens by Harari

Willow - Practical Magic and Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

Xander - Riverdale

Giles - The Voynich Manuscript

Dawn - Victoria

Faith - Boxing like the Champs by Hatmaker



Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Assuming there is something, even if it is just commemorative, where
Sunnydale used to be - which of the scoobies still visits?


Meg


Good Night All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 3 03:40:21 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I just googled "National Career Readiness Certficate". Many search results.
Somehow I escaped this. *g*

WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Apr 3 03:35:23 2018 98.245.68.20)
Agent Cooper
Should we organize a parade in your
honor? *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 3 03:33:53 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Tue Apr 3 03:37:13 2018
wolfguard I believe it is supposed to be a tool to help folks get jobs. An objective way of showing they have a certain level of skills that can apply to a wide variety of jobs. I think it is more required of government employees, but encourage to be adopted by private employers as well.

I've done some pre-testing for it and I am at the second level (silver). there are three categories to be tested on and your certificate is based on the lowest score of the three you get.

ETA: The basic three are:

Applied Math
Graphic Literacy
Workplace Documents

www.act.org



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 3 02:12:27 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I'm skeptical to. *g* What people and organizations commissioned what people
and organizations to create these tests? What's the reasoning behind the test
design, i.e. the link between the questions and what is suppose to be measured
(specific abilities). Who gives these folks the right to put people into
boxes? *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Apr 3 02:02:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard As part of my job, I have to take what is called a National Career Readiness Certficate. It has several levels that determine your ability to do a variety of jobs. Supposedly if you get a Platinum level, you have the capability to do 99% of the jobs out there. I am skeptical because there are quite a lot of job skills that I don't think this certification method can quantify like that.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Apr 3 00:20:36 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 2 23:53:44 2018 209.159.255.231)
Anyone hereabouts?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 2 22:10:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Science!
Question: What substance is known as 'fool's gold'?
Answer: Pyrite

Trivia Golden: notsoShygirl
Trivia billion points: AGent Cooper!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 2 18:47:40 2018 165.225.38.71)
Note that I answered Trivia BEFORE notsoshygirl. I should be awarded 8 billion Bronze points for being first. Even though I didn't give a fancy correct answer like SHE did.

Maverick: No need to nitpick. I'm sure Chris Marlowe already knows that stuff. When you're, say, totally hypothetically, typing in a hurry in between times when your boss walks by (heh) or copying and pasting stuff these little typos happen.

Disclaimer - I for one think it's pretty unprofessional to post on the Bronze from work. And would NEVER do this. And I just want to take this opportunity to say what kind, benevolent management we have here. Just great people all the way. Who probably AREN'T monitoring my activity. But which is totally within their rights. If they wanted to. I for one applaud their efforts, as a loyal, hard working employee.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Apr 2 18:24:47 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Maverick,

"It's the economy, stupid."

This means "It is the economy, stupid."

What's your point in leading with a tangent?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 2 16:22:39 2018 209.159.255.231)
Agent Cooper Ah yes! yellow
snow is priceless!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Apr 2 14:57:11 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Iron pyrite



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Apr 2 14:10:03 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl: Yellow Snow



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Apr 2 13:53:07 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Science!
Question: What substance is known as 'fool's gold'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Apr 2 13:17:44 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Monday, April 2nd, 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Aylaking
Cori
Pooka
skull_uk
Tsarina
The Bunny Mistress

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aylaking, Cori, Pooka, skull_uk, Tsarian, The Bunny Mistress!



Travers: Perhaps you'll favor us with a demonstration while we're here. Buffy: You mean, like, right now? 'Cause, already had my recommended daily dose of fights tonight. 'Checkpoint''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 2 13:12:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay vabuffyfan!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Apr 2 12:11:41 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings--Yeah, we watched
The Ten Commandments--four
hours! I can't believe people sat
in the theater that long!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Apr 2 11:49:23 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for vabuffyfan!

yay vabuffyfan!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Apr 2 08:04:05 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: "It's the economy, stupid." Notice the apostrophe in it's. I wrote a grammar primer a few weeks back that you maybe did not see. "Its" is the possessive form of the pronoun "it". "It's" means "it is" and is a contraction. Anyway, if the economy stinks as Obama's did, people's attention is automatically on the economy. If the economy is good, however, then perhaps the short attention span WOULD lead voters to overlook it as a single issue concern. This behooves the party who improved the economy to OFTEN remind people that it COULD slip back under the other party.


Comma: Yes! Clinton wrote an executive order in 1995 prohibiting the CIA from using "intelligence" gleaned from unsavory characters. Discussed here. He also had his Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick erect a "wall" between the CIA and the FBI that effectively stopped us from figuring out the 9/11 plot. The Clintons liked to tweak stuff. Obama thought she should be rewarded by putting her on the short list to head the FBI.


Belated Birthday Happies to Godeater


Godeater is Maverick Fanfic Recommender Numero Uno, in Good Standing and a Handsome Devil to boot. The most famous story about Godeater was when he stumbled upon an English-as-a-Second-Language Class and decided to take it over as the Teacher. He got into quite a little trouble for this.


He Is Risen. Happy Easter


Maverick


Handel's "Messiah"




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white wings says:
(Mon Apr 2 05:12:05 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Mon Apr 2 05:12:29 2018
Christopher Marlowe - It was a great holiday. However when we saw
King of Kings and Ben Hur being televised, we decided to indulge
in the traditions of our youth and watched both. Fortunately we missed the
beginning of King of Kings, because those suckers are long. My
eyeballs may fall out and start rolling on the floor. But it was a pleasing
indulgence.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Apr 2 00:44:19 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings Family Food and Feasting makes for a great holiday!



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white wings says:
(Sun Apr 1 21:45:01 2018 70.112.135.184)

Happy Easter



Happy Birthday Ageless, Anela Ipo, eirefaerie, Greendude
Roxanne, SheBit, Talie, Tamz, Terrina, Wolfstein, and Yoyoma


Belated Yay Lazy Girl

Belated Happy Birthdays to BlueDawn3, Godeater, Bufidiot, LankyAngel, and Peace Fire!

Family, food, feasted, falling asleeeeep

wolfguard - Noted, but there will be no thinking today. I hope it's a good day. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 1 20:44:06 2018 209.159.255.231)
Happy Easter Everyone!



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Dianne says:
(Sun Apr 1 15:13:47 2018 98.66.209.19)
Happy Birthday, DeMoriel!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Apr 1 14:13:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Wednesday, February 7th 2018 C.E.

Happy Easter Sunday! He is Risen!

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays!


Ageless
Anela Ipo
eirefaerie
Greendude
Roxanne
SheBit
Talie
Tamz
Terrina
Wolfstein
Yoyoma

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Ageless, Anela Ipo, eirefaerie, Greendude
Roxanne, SheBit, Talie, Tamz, Terrina, Wolfstein, Yoyoma, Ventrue!



ou never know if a girl's gonna say 'yes', or if she's gonna laugh in your face and pull out your still-beating heart and crush it into the ground with her heel. Xander, 'Inca Mummy Girl'

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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Apr 1 11:55:07 2018 73.58.128.92)

Happy Easter to All!




Belated Happy Birthday Peace Fire!



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Apr 1 05:52:34 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Just read Judd Gregg's essay. It contains lines of reasoning I've heard or
read before, e.g. first the economy, but if it's doing well people move on
to other issues. I've no particular disagreement with this thinking;
however, I disagree with his belief that voters have short historical
memories.

For years I've regularly had reason to post on Alan Lichtman and his "Key to
the White House". I've done so, because he has successfully predicted which
party would win the White House for around thirty years. He predicted the
Democrats would win in 2008 before Obama had even announced his candidacy.
He predicted Trump would win and went on news shows saying he hoped his
model would be showed wrong.

His model is based on historical research on presidential elections going
back to Lincoln. His conclusion was that US presidential elections are
referendums on the party in power's performance, not just in economic
outcomes, but all domestic and foreign policy. Even if the economy was bad,
a party could stay in power if it performed well in other areas. Follows a
list of the 13 areas to look at in assessing a party's performance...

Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more
seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm
elections.

Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

Areas

Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election
campaign.

Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or
exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in
national policy. (The change does not have to be welcome by everyone. A
major change shows the party in power, i.e. reigning president, can make
things happen)

Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (protest
and riots do not count unless blood runs in the streets. Here unrest = major
violence)

Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.
(Scandal at the level of the president)

Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major
failure in foreign or military affairs.

Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major
success in foreign or military affairs.

Candidates

Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a
national hero.

Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a
national hero.


When a president fails to meet six or more of these conditions, then the
party in power loses the presidency (party, because the president may not be
running for another term)



WG



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Comma says:
(Sun Apr 1 04:33:51 2018 75.143.154.113)
ChristopherMarlowe: The funny thing about the Clinton's statement, six months after the election, with no change in the economy, Clinton declared that everything was great.

I will always blame Clinton for destroying a great part of this country's intelligence network. I must wonder if 9-11 would have happen if our networks had been left alone.

If anyone is wondering what I am talking about, in March 1993, President Clinton issued an order. That order made it mandatory that all overseas contact had to be 100% vetted. No one was approved if they had a criminal record of any kind. People, in this business, are not saints. We lost contacts from as far back as WWII. I really believe, that this order was issued, so Clinton's people could take control of everything.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Apr 1 02:37:28 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Sun Apr 1 02:42:45 2018
Bill Clintons 1992 presidential campaign made famous the saying Its the economy, stupid.

The slogan represented the conventional wisdom of political consultants: when people vote, their first and foremost concerns are often about the economy.
To be more precise, they are concerned about their economic wellbeing, which is usually tied to the wellbeing of the general economy.

This makes a great deal of sense.

If a person is fearful about keeping his or her job, this will definitely affect how they vote.

If a person is not sure how they will make their mortgage payments or is worried about the costs of sending their children to school or simply feels financially insecure, this will be the dominant element in deciding their vote.
Self-interest is a huge motivator when it comes to how someone acts, especially when the economy is not doing well.

As many politicians have shown, invoking the importance of the economy and expressing a personal commitment to making it better is an effective road to election.

This is especially true when a candidate is challenging an incumbent. The folks in power are always easy targets for folks out of power when the economy is the issue.

But what happens when the economy is strong, or at least pretty good?
Its the economy, stupid loses its resonance.

We live in a time of short attention spans. This is true across the spectrum of American life, but nowhere is it truer then in the realm of elections.
People pay little attention to history in casting a vote and even less attention to future predictions. They vote the moment.

Today, the economy is moving rather well. We have the lowest unemployment rate in decades. We have personal incomes increasing for the first time this century.
The new tax law is causing massive amounts of investment capital to return to the United States, boosting our growth.

Things are fairly good.

It is not a time of Its the economy, stupid."

Thus, when you hear that Republicans will run on the strong economy as their ticket to retaining control of the House and Senate in Novembers midterm elections, one has to scratch ones head and say, That is stupid.

It is of course something to take credit for, this good time. But will it be the primary factor in how people vote? That is unlikely.

The voters will not be worried by a good economy. They will move on to other issues when they go into the polling place because when the economy is good, it is not a determinative event; it is a taken for granted event.

The determinative issues will be something else. They are difficult to predict and they may involve a scattering of concerns.

There is one common denominator, though: the visibility of President Trump and Congress.

Even when the economy is good, people want to look to the president as the definer of hope and purpose for the nation.

They would also like to think of Congress as a positive force.

Without the economy as the motivator, a great many peoples votes will turn on their confidence in the leadership of the president and Congress.

With the presidents disapproval rating at sixty percent and Congress doing even worse, it is difficult to claim that a good economy will be the driving issue.

That means Republicans are, stated simply, in trouble.

Democrats are also in trouble. They have decided to abandon the basic tenets that the American dream is built upon, instead embracing socialism.

But since they are out of power, and since no one follows history and the disastrous track record of socialism, they can escape attention.
Not so the Republicans.

They are in power. Folks will hold them accountable if they are deemed to be leaders without grace or a purpose most can identify with.

And this is exactly where they find themselves.

This is in part a consequence of the erratic and chaotic nature of the presidents style of leadership.

But it is also a consequence of how Republicans in Congress have turned over their agenda to the most intolerant members of the party.

The Republican Congress simply has not had leaders who are willing to confront those members of the party who believe that you can govern by shouting inanities from the corner of the ring.

This can, of course, be corrected. There is time.

Thoughtful and conservative lawmakers, especially in the Senate, can band together and start speaking as one.

They need to address the presidents inconsistent and debilitating rhetoric.

They need to put forth a platform of reform that will be seen as refreshing and positive by center-right Americans.


This is still the majority of the electorate.

These proposals should grab the constructive, conservative high ground on issues such as education, technology, defense and immigration.

Alternatively, we can just let our president and the Stephen Bannon acolytes who surround him continue their march toward ever-larger trade wars with our most important allies.

This will certainly lead to a significant economic slowdown, and possibly even a recession.

It will also allow the next election to turn on the battle cry of Its the economy, stupid after all.

=Judd Gregg, TheHill



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 31 23:39:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Anyone up for discussion tonight?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 31 22:04:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
home and with hot pizza!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Mar 31 14:51:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Saturday, March 31st 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Bufidiot
LankyAngel
Peace Fire

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bufidiot, LankyAngel, Peace Fire!



I'm fairly certain I said no interruptions. Buffy, 'Checkpoint'''

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 31 03:14:00 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Sat Mar 31 03:15:15 2018
White Wings,

What problem(s) do you think will be addressed by trade tariffs?

The Saudis and OPEC were not trying to destroy the US oil industry, as a
whole, but they certainly were trying to drive the frackers out of business.
They were partly successful. Unfortunately for OPEC their efforts weeded out
the weak. This might well include some US coal miners. President Trump's
actions benefiting natural gas likely hurt coal. That's business. That's
politics.


ETA The Saudi Crown Prince's name is Mohammad bin Salman.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 31 02:41:41 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It's been said that brains evolved as they have to minimize the need for
thinking. *g*

Seriously, it's one reason logical and scientific reasoning has to be learned
and practiced.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 31 02:27:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I am watching and not thinking. *g* I expect to be doing a lot of that this weekend!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Mar 31 02:17:02 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Reading and thinking. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 31 01:30:39 2018 209.159.255.231)
Where is everyone tonight?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 30 23:48:58 2018 209.159.255.231)
I am finally home and going to be enjoying a three-day weekend! The labor office is closing on Monday.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Fri Mar 30 20:55:53 2018 64.28.52.183)
white wings flip cell phones, the gateway technology drug lolol ....



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 30 18:31:34 2018 71.56.125.67)
Parking...

"...Friedrich List (1789-1846) was a German liberal nationalist, deeply
imbued with the Idealist view of reality that returned to fashion with
Romanticism... he was a newspaper editor, a propagandist for custom unions,
an entrepreneur who developed a coal mine, and a visionary railroad promoter
... List is famous, above all, for his nationalist critique of Adam Smith's
celebrated concept of the 'division of labor.' It is not merely the division
of labor that makes the modern economy possible, List taught, but the 'union
of labor' - the 'confederation or union of various energies, intelligences,
and powers of behalf of a common production.' An efficient union of labor
depends on being situated in a cultural community conducive to it, in other
words, in a nation with broadly shared cultural and moral values that foster
cooperation..." (p.70)

"...Undoubtedly, capitalism has created the wealth that makes contemporary
Europe's welfare states possible. But is also true that capitalism's
restless economic dynamism periodically threatens to undermine the social,
cultural, and political ties that modern states also require. The logic of
capitalism implies free trade and the global mobility of factors of
production. The logic of nation states implies protecting national self-
determination and social solidarity. Partisans of one logic naturally
consider the other obsolescent and dysfunctional. Enthusiasts of global
capitalism, highly conscious of today's enlarged possibilities for
efficiencies of production and marketing, see less and less reason to
tolerate political goals that obstruct those possibilities - goals like
preserving job security or traditional communities. Communitarian
nationalists, giving their priority to national solidarity or perhaps power,
see no need to endure the social inequalities and disruptions of raw
capitalism, given today's greatly increased wealth and technocratic capacity
... the conflicting sentiments ebb and flow with circumstances. When
capitalism is booming, efforts to curb its wayward vitality are widely
resented. When it enters one of its periodic crises, giant firms, no less
than ordinary citizens, seek refuge in their nation states...' (pp.68-69)


From Rethinking Europe's Future, David P. Calleo, copyright 2001



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 30 18:07:41 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings.

Noted post. Will reply later tonight.


Lostinamerica,

Good self-defense classes include the relevant psychology. One aspect is "hot
buttons". Anger short-circuits thinking which can work to an attacker's
advantage. Consequently, people looking for fights and wanting to stack the
deck will try to press your hot buttons. Some are general, "Arsehole!" Some
are more specific, "Spuffy!" A person needs to know their "hot buttons", what
words or phrases will goad them into blind-rage. And then they need to
learn how to deactivate them. If you don't learn to control your emotions,
then someone else will control you.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 30 16:20:26 2018 174.217.46.117)
Mid morning drive by!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Mar 30 13:00:20 2018 73.58.128.92)
DaddyCatALSO, wolfguard, Agent
Cooper
--Huh, OK--well, we all
know people are there just to see
her big bazooms and so will be
disappointed--guess they'll have
to look up her porn tapes ;)


white wings, wolfguard--I'm
OK with the statues being removed
from areas with no ties to the
conflict. I'm not OK with the
reverse--for example, there's a
Confederate statue in the square
of the nearby town of Franklin.
Last year someone started a
petition to have it removed, but
so far nothing has come of it.
The Battle of Franklin was a
decisive Civil War battle in that
it decimated the Tennessee Army
and effectively ended the last
hopes of the Confederacy. There
are several Civil War sites to
visit in the town. So what,
you're going to pull down the
statue? How does that change
anything that happened here?


Belated Happy Birthday Helygen!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Mar 30 12:57:29 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Friday, March 30th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


BlueDawn3
Godeater
Juliet Landau as the mad vampire Drusilla

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BlueDawn3, Godeater, Juliet Landau!



Xander: Hey, Red. What you got in the basket, little girl? Buffy: Weapons. 'Fear, Itself'''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 30 12:38:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay lazy girl!


Celebrate Good Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Mar 30 11:11:10 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for lazy girl!

yay lazy girl!


Celebrate Good Friday!



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white wings says:
(Fri Mar 30 05:37:19 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Occido!

Happy Birthday Avatar, helygen, Killow, Tamara, The Librarian, and X38!

Ebdim9th - You are bringing back memories of flip phones. I vaguely remember feeling that all I needed was a plain phone. But then I had to stay in contact with caregivers who liked texting, and after that I was lost. One gets an urge to have email handy, and then the full internet follows. Texting is a gateway addiction. *g*

Christopher Marlowe - Yes, texting from a front desk has a bad appearance. Before smartphones I couldn't post at all from work. However, I still have a smartphone with a screen too small to make posting possible except in desperation.

wolfguard - Trump has indeed issued executive orders. That's a normal duty of the presidency and is expected. When he rescinds regulations, he follows the rules written into them, so many days for publication, for comment, etc. I'm pretty sure he didn't know about that until he got in place, just from the way he described it, but he hasn't short circuited things that I know of. He has not, so far as I know, simply modified bills because he couldn't get the action he desired from Congress. You know, delaying provisions with dates that are written into a law, ordering entire classes of people exempt from laws after saying he couldn't do it, ordering border control agents to catch-and-release, and such like stuff. Mind, Trump's suggestion to use military funds for the wall as a matter of national defense sounds very Obama-esque. But he hasn't done that yet.

I've lost track of what positions have or have not been filled. I heard someone say that if the Democrats keep applying the rules of the Senate rigorously, it will be eleven years before the current nominations are processed, which is beyond ridiculous. It is possible that the positions that haven't been filled and don't require nominations are being delayed so that they can be filled by the people that are supposed to be managing them. It's also possible that not all nominations have been made because it's unreasonable to ask people to wait. A third option is that that positions not filled aren't drawing salaries and it's a way to find out just how bloated a bureaucracy has become. Or it could be incompetence.

The statue thing will cause festering anger indeed, and they truly are symbols. I grant you that I don't have strong feelings about statues to Stalin or Saddam Hussein, so I can't say I'm solely annoyed due to a dedication to History at large. *g* You've surely noticed that we've moved from excoriating Lee and Jeff Davis to any Confederate General, to statues of anonymous confederate soldiers who were often the brothers of Union soldiers, to removing mascots that are horses (HORSIES!) named Traveller, or knights, to wanting to rename anything named Jefferson or Washington. It then moves to savaging anyone who says anything that isn't liked. To me the removal of statues is a symbol of oppression that needs to be resisted. If I'd grown up hearing people talk about feeling nauseous and suppressed every time they heard "Lee", "Jefferson", or "Washington", I might reconsider, but I really haven't.

I'm glad you are saving economics, because I'm going to do a faceplant on the keyboard and I really need to get to bed before I reach that point.

Manana or beyond.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 30 02:14:11 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

1 of 2 (saving economics for 2)

- President Trump has ~picked up his pen~ to write executive orders to
bypass Congress. This is certainly a presidential power and I note it only
because you have suggested he has not.

- Presidents can and do remove and replace people. That said, Trump has
often filled the same role several times or has not got around to filling
empty ones (not all of which need Congressional approval). I have heard the
Trump campaign did not expect to win the election so had not prepared much
for a transition. Surprise! *g*

- The Statute Thing: To me statutes are symbols and long ago I got
conditioned to detach from symbols (Zen + Violence). Since the debate is
over keeping or removing such statutes, one side was going to lose and be
angry. None of this knits groups together into a community. The anger will
fester.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 30 02:11:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Yeah, I know Lincoln had a 'team of rivals'. As President, I would choose an individual whose work/experience I respect. I would have to think a bit harder if I would want someone who had personal views anti=theical to my own or who I didn't particularly like personally.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 30 01:48:23 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I imagine many leaders and executives would prefer to like their top staff.
OTOH, there are some executives who might prefer dispense with emotional
ties, because they want to stay objective - which may mean cutting someone
lose. There are even a few executives who will hire and work with top staff
they do not personally like, but who are very good at what they do.

In the historical novel, The Killer Angels, the author prefaces the
story with a brief description of each important historical character. Of
one Confederate general the author wrote that Lee (Robt E) referred to him
as ~~ his mean old man ~~ adding, ~ Lee used the material (men) he got.

Off that, plenty of presidents have chosen people, mostly men, who had run
against them and/or disliked them, because the man was useful and important
for the president. One thinks of JFK choosing LBJ as his VP running mate.
The Kennedy's and their followers did not like LBJ, but Johnson was seen as
critical to winning the election (afterwards he seemed to be ignored a lot -
though it was LBJ who pushed the idea of the race to the Moon)]1

Off that, Lincoln went through a number of generals before he settled with
Grant. McClellan treated Lincoln with contempt, but Lincoln gave him time to
prove himself - effective or not. As it was McClellan was good at building
an army, but not at using an army. Lincoln let him go and went on to the
next and the next ...

1 Johnson returned the disdain and hatred. Somewhere I read
before accepting the offer LBJ asked his staff how many presidents had died
in office. Possibly apocryphal - LBJ probably knew the answer.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Mar 30 01:36:29 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I'm wondering who is left from Trump's cabinet that he hasnt' fired already?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Mar 30 01:19:18 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What character is described as "a chubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff"?
Answer: Winnie the Pooh

Trivia Pooh Bears: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Owls: Agent Cooper

wolfguard I am hereabouts and wondering about trump' strategy of picking people he likes.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Mar 30 01:05:46 2018 4.28.180.2)
Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 29 23:33:12 2018 209.159.255.231)
finally home!

Still trying to work how to post from work...it's bad form to be texting and posting at the front desk, so I've been trying to get online during breaks and lunch.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Thu Mar 29 18:24:17 2018 98.90.90.136)
Edited: Thu Mar 29 18:58:39 2018
white Wings CM lostinamerica Agent Cooper, an app that helps you identify odors, Smellphone ....

Some fliptops are just at that cusp, some good video/camera, though not great, limited internet access. Though usually without a slide-out keyboard, they all seemed arranged like a standard telephone keypad. At least you can switch back and forth on an android or iPhone.....



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 29 18:12:40 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

White Wings,

Noted post. Will read and reply later tonight. *g*


Lostinamerica,

Ms. Daniels will probably dance. While I do not know if it's still true, there
was a time when the route for a performer to make good money was to first
become a star on 'film' and then move to the club circuit. Top performers have
fans and fans will pay to see and meet them.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Mar 29 16:57:50 2018 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica Have never r bothered much with such places, but form what I've read,a s celebrity performer, she'll likely dance (but not strip") sing some awful songs, maybe pretend to w hip some chorus girls or the like, much like what LAtoya Jackson has been doing



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 29 16:23:52 2018 174.217.18.150)
Agent Cooper

Nothing more cuddly than a fanged
puppet!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Mar 29 14:48:01 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Winnie the Pooh



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 29 13:47:13 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trivia Girl - Muppet Angel?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Mar 29 13:23:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: What character is described as "a chubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff"?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Mar 29 13:04:40 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for occido!

yay occido!


Happy CD Thursday!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Mar 29 12:45:03 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Thursday, March 29th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Avatar
helygen
Killow
Saint - R.I.P
Tamara
The Librarian
X38

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Avatar, helygen, Killow, Tamara, The Librarian, X38!



See, in my fantasy, when I'm kissing you... you're kissing me. It's okay. I can wait.
Oz, 'Innocence''


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 29 12:37:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Mar 29 12:23:48 2018 165.225.38.71)
Lostinamerica - So which club is it, exactly? Can you still get tickets?

-Asking for a friend.

:-P



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Mar 29 11:20:46 2018 73.58.128.92)
Stormy Daniels is "performing" at a
Nashville gentleman's club beginning
tonight. Good God, I wonder what
she's "performing?"



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white wings says:
(Thu Mar 29 04:41:32 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay Princess of Darkness!

Happy Birthday Dragster!

Agent Cooper - I tend to agree with you, wolfguard's arguments notwithstanding. *g*

wolfguard - I'm not firing on all thrusters (assuming I ever was), but I'll see what I can find to say. ;-)

Many people were upset that Trump won the election. You forgot that. It was the Original Sin, from which all other things proceeded. *g* You are right - there's no point in arguing with you about the things you listed that upset people, because we are discussing other people's reactions. It's a plain fact that although I was not upset, others most definitely were, and half (ish) of those actions weren't even in my (second) list. I will have to concede to having been wrong about that in my post last night.

Having gotten that out of the way, and without knowing your own position on a number of these points, I'll witter on a bit. I'd like to call it something more dignified, but I'm not sure that would be deserved. *g*

Trump has been willing to work with Congress a lot to try to achieve his goals. He's tried to achieve a lot by throwing the problems that belonged to Congress at Congress instead of using his phone and his pen to "fix" what wasn't his to fix. He hasn't (so far) tried to just not follow laws and ignore the court system when it pleased him. To me, that shows more respect than his predecessor. Every president that has any sense cleans out every person in the government as far down as he can manage it. Trump has been stymied by the procedural rules being used to prevent his forming a government that he controls. To whine that he wants to control his own government is rather comical, but you are right, people are certainly doing it.

People around the world (if not necessarily in this country) seem to have noticed that the world hasn't ended over tariffs. Everyone blamed Chinese steel and aluminum dumping for our decline, even though we apparently don't directly import their steel, so everyone must know things about the flow of those products that I don't. Trump slapped tariffs on all countries. Then there were some talks with our NAFTA partners and suddenly they didn't have those tariffs. There were talks with the EU, and suddenly they didn't have the tariffs. Same with S. Korea, maybe others. So by using what everyone acknowledged had caused harm to a section of our industry, he created a bargaining chip, and I suspect he got something and the rest of the world stopped worrying. Also the importers don't seem as outraged. The solar panels don't seem to be a huge issue any more either, though it could just be that I haven't seen it. I don't know what's going to happen with the latest Chinese tariffs. That hasn't played out yet.

I agree that it is far too soon to tell what will happen with N. Korea. He has certainly hurt their economy, and they are playing for time. They have a long history of playing us for fools, and they still have a long game to play. I hope that the Trump administration will pay attention to what they do, and not what they say, but who knows what Trump and his people will listen to, or what else might happen in the world to distract them?

I was very annoyed at the response to what Trump said about Charlottesville, incidentally. As far as I'm concerned, he was dead right. On one side, there were a few KKK people, and more white supremacists, and there were also others who simply didn't want to see history erased. I would classify the latter as possibly good people, and not necessarily racist. I do not believe that appreciating a statue of Robert E. Lee or George Washington makes one a racist. I could have been one of them, if I were inclined to be in public demonstrations, and I believed in something (or was annoyed by something) enough to appear within shotgun range of a KKK/white supremacist type. On the other side, there were the Antifa types who are violent, who showed up prepared to start a bloody brawl, and who planned to sow chaos. There were also perfectly sincere people who thought they were really going to help by removing the statues. I profoundly disagree with that POV, and think they were misguided in their company, but I think they are possibly good people. That was what I heard, and all I heard, in what Trump said.

I think that I (I was going to say "we", but I clearly can't speak for you) can thank Trump for the improved economy and no one else. He's worked like a dog to get industry back on its feet, one company, one factory at a time. He's using tariffs and negotiations to try to improve trade imbalances and stimulate industry, and, well, I believe in the tax cuts. The borrowing resulting therefrom might be a problem. I cannot deny it, but we had wild debt and problems before. He wanted to get a couple trillion dollars back in the country that were held out of it, among other things, and he's getting that, which no one else had done. You can say he's only greasing the wheels, but I believe that has always worked a lot better than simply decreeing that something will work because one has a theory.

He's improved oil and gas exports by having his staff remove regulations, approve transportation methods (pipelines anyone?), and approve exploration on land previously forbidden. The Obama administration was trying to choke off fracking one sage grouse at a time. Of course the Saudis were trying to destroy our oil industry, and got in a lot of economic trouble for it. One of their miscalculations was in thinking that we couldn't idle the fracking and then bring it back fast. Apparently fracking is a lot easier to restart than traditional oil fields, which was where their experience lay. Suddenly we have a new prince, a drive to relax religious restrictions, tightened oil production by OPEC which drives prices up which makes fracking possible, and an administration-blessed procession by said prince through our country on a quest to diversify their economy. I don't think Trump caused those things, but I think he's encouraged the atmosphere. Greased the wheels, so to speak.

I don't know why I'm suddenly posting on this stuff. I've spent years biting my tongue, and I probably still should. Maybe it's that I'm too tired to filter.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 29 02:35:04 2018 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Your Trump list.

- Economy and unemployment: Very little a president's doing. Promoting
deregulation and cutting taxes greases the wheels, but doesn't fuel the
engine.

- Stock Market: Quite volatile. We got the "Trump Bump" after the election
when some industries were expecting big infrastructure spending and tax
cuts. Got the latter. OTOH, seen drops from tariff talk. Anyway, on
historical terms the market is cruising for a bruising.

- I've not recently checked immigration stats, but I'll take your word - for
now. *g*

- Gas & Oil Exports?!? Pfft. The real credit goes to George P. Mitchell and
the oil and gas industry - not to a president.

- What has China "backed down" on?

- North Korea: Here I might agree, though I'm cautious. I'll believe North
Korea is denuclearizing when there's evidence of it. Until then, Kim may
just be playing the angles.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 29 02:08:28 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

Many people were upset with President Trump's ...

- executive orders on immigration

- appointing cabinet secretaries who either lacked experience and/or held
philosophies at odds with their respective departments

- handling of the Charlottesville violence

- hesitancy in confronting Russia on cyberattacks.

- withdrawing from the Trans-Partnership

- instituting tariffs

- confusing and/or insulting allies


I'll end on tax reforms, because some people believe it, great. Similarly
some people will argue in Trump's defense on one or more of the above items.
The point is that some people are concerned, upset, or angry at more than
the president's tweets.


As to Trump's respect for democracy, some people see his attacks on the FBI,
CIA, DOS, allies, and the media as undermining democracy.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Mar 29 01:52:23 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Awareness and sensitivity.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Mar 29 00:57:23 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I have had working relationships with men as well as women not only as co-workers, but also has supervisors. I have never experienced any problems with either sex. Now this doesn't negate anyone else's experiences, but I'm wondering what's changed that the workplace is now so fraught?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 23:55:23 2018 4.28.180.2)
White Wings,

I will factor that in. *g*


Christopher Marlowe,

What's the question being begged?

When a mentor-mentee involves people of the opposite sex there will be a
greater chance for the relationship going beyond the professional bounds.
1 Sex comes to mind, but it can involve other matters. A mentor-
mentee relationship has similarities to a patron-client one. You support me
and I will look after you.

A couple weeks ago I mentioned a book, Why Women Have Sex, which
looked at the various motives a large sample of women gave. One chapter was
titled, ~ Trade and Barter. One respondent said ...

~~ I had sex with my professor. I never understood why some people saw this
as wrong. He gave me extra-attention and tens of thousands of dollars of
books, but I never felt any guilt. The books were a bonus. He would have
given them to me anyway, because I was his friend and research assistant. I
would have had sex with him anyway, he was a great lover.

- 26 year old gay/Lesbian

Formally he had more power than she. Did he misuse it? She didn't seem to
think so. OTOH, I'm sure he violated the school's ethics code and I imagine
other students seeking research positions might feel one of both of them
took advantage of the situation.

A problem a mixed sex mentor-mentee relationships faces is there will always
be people who will believe one or both are taking unfair advantages from the
relationship.

1 It is also possible where both parties are of the same sex if
one or both are gay.


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 28 23:36:38 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who played the Prince of Lies in the episode 'Why We Fight'?
Answer: Camden Toy

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 21:19:53 2018 174.217.43.144)
Agent Cooper, wolfguard

It sort of begs the question of how
men mentored other men without
issue for ages. The same with
women supporting women.



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white wings says:
(Wed Mar 28 20:59:33 2018 70.112.133.167)
wolfguard - Last night I thought I was clearheaded, but I was tired and
nursing a broken tooth. This afternoon I have a temporary crown, but am still
feeling less than human due to an early meeting with the dentist. However,
it is possible that I may have overlooked a few small things that Trump has
done that might have stirred some dovecotes, like maybe telling EU
countries to pony up for NATO and just possibly a tariff or two. Maybe
moving an embassy. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 28 19:45:49 2018 165.225.38.71)
Chris Marlowe - Well, yeah. It works both ways. Now women who never really thought about this before are now have doubts about whether they want to be alone in certain situations with men they never worried about, bosses, co workers, teachers...

There's this, "could it happen to me?" vibe.

It's a real mess.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 19:04:27 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

White Wings,

Noted. Will replay later tonight.


Agent Cooper & Christopher Marlowe,

Some men executives are hesitant to mentor women employees, because it might
be perceived by some as favoritism for favors.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 18:22:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Managing to sneak a lunchtime post! Nothing new to report, it has been a very slow morning!



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cmarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 16:11:47 2018 107.167.126.99)
agent cooper

it does seem like everyone is walking one eggshells but i am not sure what it would take to get a new normal where people can interact with each other without fear and that includes men as well as women.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Mar 28 15:00:50 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Camden Toy



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 28 13:56:04 2018 165.225.38.71)
Wolfguard/Chris Marlowe - I read a story a couple of weeks ago that in Washington, business has become very hard for female lobbyists and staffers. Male congressman have shied away from dealings with them, many times won't hire them because they do not want be alone anywhere with them.

It's too easy to be accused of wrongdoing. And far too easy for the opposition or political enemies to plant a female ally in such a one on one situation and set you up for a frame job.

Note that it doesn't matter if you're innocent in this environment. All it takes is for one woman to point at you and say "I Accuse" and you're ruined.

I've noticed the same thing happening in the corporate world.

Billy Graham was way ahead of his time.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 28 13:24:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who played the Prince of Lies in the episode 'Why We Fight'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Mar 28 13:01:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Wednesday, March 28th 2018 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


Dragster

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Dragster!



I've been out of the abbey two days, I've beaten a lawman senseless, I've fallen in with criminals. I watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect. And I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong. Book, 'Serenity''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 12:48:00 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay princess of darkness!

deadguy qod

The scoobies have started a book discussion and they are critiquing the Hunger Game series!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Mar 28 12:30:44 2018 165.225.38.71)
White Wings - Here's the thing about Trump. People can complain about his tweets, his hair, the women he slept with ten years ago, etc, all they want.

Trump lowered my taxes. The economy is booming. The stock market is through the roof. The umemployment rate is lower than it's been in 15 years. We're exporting more gas and oil then ever in history. Trump stood up to Korea, and they backed down. He stood up to China, and they backed down. Illegal immigration way down. The flow of un-vetted refugees coming into the country is way down.

So I say, go ahead. Keep complaining about his rude tweets. Talk about his hair, or how much he likes ice cream. Keep running stories about how many strippers he use to hang out with back in the 80s. Or last week for all I care.

*shrug*



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Mar 28 11:04:40 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for princess of darkness!

yay princess of darkness!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale book nook - stay home and read

what current books and movies are the scoobies enjoying?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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white wings says:
(Wed Mar 28 04:52:50 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay DarkLady

Happy Birthday ED1_Faith, Eowyn, MarsGirl, RavenNDark, and Zombies Ate My Dingo!


lostinamerica - Good luck with your mother and the upgraded phone.

lostinamerica, Agent Cooper - I'm feeling fairly pleased with myself for having abstained from FB because I thought their attitude towards security was flippant. I also didn't like their insistence on using RL names. It may surprise you, but "white wings" is actually not the name on my birth certificate. *g* But I've no doubt that Google, Amazon, and all cable companies have handed over a lot of data for data mining, and I haven't evaded them. You choose your poison.

wolfguard - Trump's "bad behaviors" since he was elected appear to primarily consist of tweeting things people don't like and possibly eating fried chicken with his fingers. Oh, and taking two scoops of ice cream. OK, public criticism of his own staff confuses me. I believe we've discussed that. But no one seems very upset about things he's done, like sending 57 missiles into Syria. He appears to me to have more respect for democracy and government than those who believed that the ends justified all means, even if the procedural rules probably leave him feeling caged and frustrated. But I have already digressed from what I wanted to say, which is partly to agree with you about liberal leaders' attitudes towards the dangers of Pence, and partly to say that IMO it goes just a little further. He's a gentleman, like Mitt Romney. They figure that they could box him up and get rid of him in short order, just as they did to Romney. But Trump talks and fights like a Democrat, except they don't like the things he says. The pitiful thing about that is that he is not, as you noted, a conservative for conservatism's sake, and he is the Republican more likely to work with them than any they've had in many a long year, or will have in the future. Of course if he does that, his adopted party will savage him.

Christopher Marlowe - Pence's attitude towards being alone with a woman is not all that unusual, at least not to me. My father was like that. Not in the workplace that he ever discussed with me, but socially. If my mother couldn't be with him, he wasn't going to be taking single women or widows out to dinner alone, no matter how long he'd known them. It was not because my mother objected, either. I heard them discussing it. He just wanted to bypass a potential problem. It's sort of like ... I have every legal right to walk alone at night in a dark alley in a city, and I shouldn't have to worry about being attacked. But I don't do it. I suggest that you not do it.

Appearance does matter. When my brother was in a small but very nasty company fight, one of the things the opposition tried to make hay with was his having traveled abroad with a much younger woman on business. It didn't work, but it was nasty, and my brother was outraged for her sake as well as his. "I had her boyfriend's permission. I had her mother's permission!" But it could have been harmful.

On other hand, I've traveled with male coworkers and had a very pleasant time, without any hanky-panky going on, and no gossip flying around (yes, I'd have heard in that workplace). But no one ever wanted to hurt any of us, we were too low level.

My last (male) doctor would always have a nurse present during a physical. He did this from the time he was starting out in his practice, which was around '73. It was prudent, and also gave him another pair of hands to manipulate paper garments and any items that someone else could carry.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 03:49:30 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Perhaps the opposite. Why does a doctor bring in a second person? A potential
witness should the patient accuse the doctor or nurse of inappropriate
behavior.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 03:32:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard An early sign of the eventual #metoo movement?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 02:43:49 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

In the past ten years I've seen my primary care physician change how she
conducts some examinations when the patient and health care
provider1 are of different sexes: she brings a second health care
provider into the room. She's obviously loosing that person's presence
elsewhere. Does she eat the lost revenue or pass it on to the consumer?

1 doctor, nurse practitioner, nurse


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 02:22:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I did not know that! But I can see why Graham would be concerned.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 02:08:02 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've heard or read that Billy Graham would have one of his people enter a
hotel room before he would enter it, believing someone might try to stage a
photo of him in a hotel room with a woman. I know of one young man who fell
asleep in a guest bedroom during a family gathering. Later his young daughter
followed him in and went to sleep beside him. Another family member thought
they looked cute, so snapped a picture. When he awoke and found out he was
enraged, because he was afraid of how the world at large might perceive the
picture.

Some people are ready and willing to see the worst, so if one's image is
important it may be wise to avoid situations that can be misperceived.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Wed Mar 28 01:50:00 2018 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Wed Mar 28 03:02:40 2018
Trivia Goil: Costumes? God? The Great Head (No, not Anthony Stewart. Miss Edith.)


Always good for another viewing, How the Modern Liberal/Progressive Thinks with Evan Sayet. Still valid and still hilariously funny.


Maverick


Vertigo




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 01:27:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Pence does seem to be rather stringent when it comes to social issues, including his faith. His concerns about being alone with a woman strikes me as rather unusual.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Mar 28 00:58:20 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Mar 28 00:58:43 2018
Lostinamerica,

I imagine most every politically engaged liberal or Democrat has discussed the
what-if Pence becomes president. That said, I don't know how the reasoning's
go. I suspect though that while Pence is conservative and experienced, he's
also viewed as conventional. He will be professional. He will not engage in
tawdry behavior. Beyond this, many believe President Trump's behaviors, by
design or accident, undermine the institutions of democracy and government. A
President Pence may not take the ship of state in the direction some would
want, but he won't sink the ship.

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Mar 28 00:54:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What god did Ethan invoke in his curse on the costumes in Halloween?
Answer: Janus

Trivia Straight-faced: notsoShyGirl, Agent Cooper

DaddyCatALSO I would have thought Andrew would have updated Jonathon's parents about him.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Mar 28 00:47:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Finally home!!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Mar 27 22:58:53 2018 73.58.128.92)
Agent Cooper--Your co-workers
have gleefully handed over much
private information to whoever can
get it to get those cool apps--who's
laughing now?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Mar 27 22:48:45 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--This is what has
always puzzled me about the efforts
to get Trump--you DO know who's
waiting in the wings, don't you?
Trump has never struck me a a true
conservative, but Pence--that's a
different story.

Be careful what you wish for. . .



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Mar 27 18:27:51 2018 165.225.38.71)
Trvia Girl - Janus!



I don't have a flip phone, but I have an old trac phone that's maybe one step up from one. And I mean barely one step up. It DOES have a camera in it so I can take pictures. -Awful, blurry, grainy pictures. Like in those sasquatch videos on youtube. I can also text on it but people send me pics and emojis in their text and I can't see them because my phone can't handle them. It just shows up as a blob of gibberish text. So it's always "did ya get that thing I sentja? So funny!"

"Umm...no."

My co-workers, who all have those fancy latest generation smart phones with all the cool apps, actively mock me for owning this phone. :-)



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Mar 27 18:05:35 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

I know liberals and Democrats who think a Pence presidency would be worst than
Trump's. Their reasoning is Pence is a committed social conservative and is
experienced in the ways of Congress and politics. If he were to become
president, then he might be able to enact policy and legislation on social
issues that would harm liberal beliefs and interests.

I've read a few articles on Pence. At least one said during the summer/fall of
2016 Pence was prepared to step-in if Trump left. Based on these same articles
my current assessment is Pence is loyal to Trump, in part because of his faith
in God. God has a plan and Pence believes he is where God wants him to be now.


WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Mar 27 16:54:49 2018 199.127.148.10)
Christopher Marlowe Willow, Buffy and Dawn, and likely lots of folks we've e never met, all have gravesites to visit in the Sunnydale crater, as much a s Xander. Do Jonathan's parents even know he's down there?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 27 16:04:34 2018 174.217.20.169)
Lostinamerica

I should really upgrade to a
smartphone, the flip phone isnt as
useful anymore.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Mar 27 14:58:56 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Janus



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Mar 27 13:40:43 2018 73.58.128.92)
ChristopherMarlowe, white
wings, Ebdim9th
--My mother
still has a flip phone--we're
going to upgrade her after Easter,
thank God : ) I didn't realize
until recently that it doesn't
correctly display the group text
she's on--every time someone
comments in the thread she sees it
as an individual text--kind of
hard to follow a conversation ; )


Yay! DarkLady!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Mar 27 13:17:57 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What god did Ethan invoke in his curse on the costumes in Halloween?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Mar 27 12:54:35 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Tuesday, March 27th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


ED1_Faith
Eowyn
MarsGirl
RavenNDark
Zombies Ate My Dingo

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ED1+Faith, Eowyn, MarsGirl, RavenNDark, Zombies Ate My Dingo!



And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears? Drusilla, 'Fool for Love''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 27 12:41:49 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay darklady!

deadguy qod

I think the only person who would visit Sunndale is Xander, as Anya died there.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Mar 27 11:51:41 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for darklady

yay darklady!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale bay resort - known for our rock climbing and cliff diving school

assuming there is something, even if it is just commemorative, where sunnydale used to be - which of the scoobies still visits?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 27 05:02:40 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - You made it in. The world can survive without your having to suffer flip phone posting.

Ebdim9th - LOL! to algebra questions. Necessity is the mother of invention and I'm sure it improved your texting skills, just as I learned to use Word in order to post at the Bronze. I forget what caused me to make the leap to an iPhone. Possibly it was jealousy of my older brother's fun with his. *g*



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Ebdim9th says:
(Tue Mar 27 03:04:09 2018 174.235.136.47)
Edited: Tue Mar 27 03:06:55 2018
CM white wings I broke my last flip phone in half on the kitchen floor, thus necessitating my first android purchase. I had been sending algebra question texts to other students from the community college I have been attending to try to improve the ole computer skills.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 27 02:28:35 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings I still did have my flip phone, but it's not easy posting to bronze using it. *g*



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white wings says:
(Tue Mar 27 01:34:20 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - No tablet, no 'net? *shudder* My sympathy.

Pence has a really cute family bunny. *g* I'll leave policy thoughts to wolfguard.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Mar 27 01:28:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Do you have thoughts about Vice President Pence?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Mar 26 23:53:01 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: On what show would you
have found the 'Cone of Silence'?
Answer: Get Smart

Trivia Got Smart: notsoshyGirl
Trivia Back to Class: Agent Cooper, Maverick!

Although points for the stats on the Cone of Silence!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 26 23:43:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
Finally home...I was unable to access the net today, my tablet was kaput.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Mar 26 22:29:06 2018 68.51.139.52)
DaddyCatALSO: Yes, also please see the Breitbart article I linked to in the post below. Also, Here's a semi-comprehensive list of the reports to authorities filed on Nikolas Cruz. The politics of those at the FBI who ignored reports on Cruz were not investigated (as usual.) But the PROMISE program was wired into the system THERE; Broward School System was paid $53.8 millions to hide these people from justice. Superintendent Runcie is paid $335,000 a year, having come from Chicago where gun violence is totally out of control (but evidently, bad students are sheltered there, too.)


Birthday Happies to: NuPhalanx


NuPhalanx is Maverick Fanfic Recommender No. 25, in Good Standing


Maverick


It's My Life




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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Mar 26 22:24:12 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings, wolfguard--All I
can do is echo the immortal words of
Sam Kinison: MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD
(WATER) IS!



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white wings says:
(Mon Mar 26 21:52:14 2018 70.112.135.184)
Yay NuPhalanx!

Happy Birthday Allyson, Digital Grand, J.S.K, Lena, Mrs. Macheath, sareigbab, and witchywoman77!

Agent Cooper - LOL to the children's crusades. I cannot disagree.

Some schools are of the thought that a day off ransacking a local WalMart is a worthy activity. That may not have been precisely what Soros, Bloomberg, and company had planned, but kids = Lord of the Flies.

I think that people ought to start suing school districts for promulgating political viewpoints. The lessons, the posters on the walls, the tests, not to mention assisting students with transportation to and from marches favored by school administrators. They should at the least be forced to give equal time and money to viewpoints that they consider repugnant, although I'd be happier if they'd just cut it out altogether.


DaddyCatALSO - I think that the problem was that in 1923 the Texas/Oklahoma border was settled, but the Red River refused to adhere to the terms and went walkabout. There were some landowners on either side of the river that had discussions, then there were some Indian lands, and then the BLM came in and said, "Hey, no problem, if the river ever flowed over the land, it's OURS, all OURS". It seemed mainly to affect the south bank, i.e. Texas. In some cases the BLM placed their markers a mile south of the river. People had been paying taxes on the land for generations, or in one case had taken out some kind of gubmint loan to buy land only to be told that it wasn't his, but he could buy it again. Then of course Texas had some interest due to mineral rights AKA oil revenues.

I wonder what the outcome of the trial of the Pulse nightclub shooter's wife will be, since there appears to have been prosecutorial misconduct in withholding evidence. I wonder what will happen to the people who let that particular cat out of the bag? Geez, don't they teach ethics to any of those people?

wolfguard - I sense metaphorical water dripping from your hands. Watch your back. I don't have a dog in that fight, but some do. *g* Atlanta needs to start building more reservoirs.

I still have a dream, a futile dream, of a pipeline that branches over the country, delivering water from places that have an excess to those that have a great deal too little. That would probably do something awful to the ecosystem, the way damming the Nile kept rich new soil from reaching the delta.

In the meantime, having beaten back whup and located the Easter decorations, I'm avoiding cleaning a messy house by watching Jaws 2. I'm bad.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Mar 26 21:42:27 2018 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Mon Mar 26 22:41:06 2018
Trivia Girl: The Cone of Silence was on "General Hospital." The 'cone is short for simethicone which is a medicine that people take for excessive flatulence.


Agent Cooper: Here's a link to Broward County's PROMISE Program which is a Obama/Holder concoction intended to make their statistics look better so that THEY could look like heroes. (See the old Henny Youngman joke, "When I told my doctor that I couldn't afford an operation, he offered to touch-up my x-rays") It will make you sick to read their high-toned bullcrap "solutions" to handling "problem" students. Their methodology to improving their "results" is to improve their "statistics" so they refuse to arrest anyone. This allows problem people to run rampant in the community. They don't understand that their attitude is a sure sign of insanity. Here's Breitbart's report of this progressive demonic agenda


Maverick


You'll Never Find




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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 26 20:48:45 2018 4.28.180.2)
Came across a web-page that compared the ingredient prices of a Big Mac ins
1985 with one in 2015.

Here's the format: ingredient ( 1985 price / 2015 price )

(1) bread ( 9 cents / 20 cents )

(2) lettuce ( 3 cents / 7 cents )

(3) tomato ( 10 cents / 23 cents )

(4) American cheese ( 11 cents / 19 cents )

(5) beef patty ( 31 cents / $1.05 )


The whole enchilada ( 64 cents / $1.74 )




WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 26 20:28:32 2018 165.225.38.71)
Cone of Silence


School abjuration; Level bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3

CASTING

Casting Time 1 action
Components V, S, F (a small tuning fork)

EFFECT

Range personal or close (25 ft. + 5 ft./level)
Target you or one creature
Duration 10 minutes/level
Saving Throw Reflex negates; Spell Resistance yes

DESCRIPTION

An invisible mobile zone of silence surrounds the caster. The spell functions by bending all types of noise and sound around the caster, yet still allows the caster to hear herself speak.

Because the spell stops all sound, it provides complete protection from all sonic- and language-based attacks. Conversely, the envelope of the spell prevents a protected mage from launching any sonic- or language-based attacks but does not otherwise inhibit spellcasting. Unlike radius-effect silence spells, those around the caster can hear normally. Enveloped targets are considered deafened (though they can hear themselves} and cannot produce any sounds.

If used to envelop another being, the target receives a Reflex saving throw to negate the effect. If the saving throw fails, then the target is enveloped and suffers from the above effects.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Mar 26 19:32:48 2018 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper Maverick I wonder what the party registration is of those FBI people who refused to follow up on reports about he Parkland shooter.

white iwngs I guess the argument is that the Adams-Onis Treaty placed the whole Red River under US juridiscdition, and they were unhappy with what Oklahoma was doing with it, just guessing in the dark here.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 26 18:31:18 2018 4.28.180.2)
Lostinamerica,

And soon we will have more!

*g*

WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 26 16:06:57 2018 107.167.126.102)
notsoshygirl is a smart cookie!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Mar 26 14:50:56 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Get Smart



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Mar 26 13:19:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: TV
Question: On what show would you
have found the 'Cone of Silence'?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Mar 26 13:06:07 2018 165.225.38.71)
Maverick - Children's crusades reek of astro turfing. These kids would protest oxygen if they thought they could get the day off from school and feel important.

It's just sad.

Too bad "Don't walk out, Walk Over" didn't get as much attention as these fake shemp marches. If these kids were so "brave" they would have befriended these loner kids, talked to them, sat with them at lunch, before they became so angry and isolated. THAT would have been brave.

But it doesn't fit the narrative.

And if the gun control movement was so "Brave" they'd have a weekly march in cities like Chicago, where a couple of hundred kids get shot every week.

But those are mostly black and minority kids involved in gangs.

So it doesn't fit the narrative.

Or they could have had a march honoring the armed police officer who stopped a school shooter in his tracks and likely saved countless lives.

But it doesn't fit the narrative.

Or they could have had a protest march against the Broward County Sheriff who is a big player in the democratic party and a huge supporter of the gun control movemennt, who purposely kept his men out of that high school in order to get the big body count his friends needed to make political hay for their cause. This guy needs to be hanged. He sacrificed those kids lives for a photo op.

But nobody says anything, because that doesn't fit the narrative.

Or they could have marched to raise awareness about mental health, and protested the Obama administrations regulations that prevented the shooter in FL from being removed from school or counseled.

But that doesn't fit the narrative.

It's not politically useful to the gun control movement to address real facts and real solutions. Those are obstacles to their real goal.

None of it has anything to do with guns, it's about control.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Mar 26 12:50:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Monday, March 26th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!


Allyson
Digital Grand
J.S.K.
Lena
Mrs. Macheath
sareigbab
witchywoman77

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Allyson, Digital Grant, JSK, Lena, Mrs. Macheath, sareigbab, witchywoman77!



Mal: Then I call it a win. What's the problem? Inara: Should I start with the part where you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, or the part where you have no clothes? "Trash''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Mar 26 12:43:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay nuphalanx!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Mar 26 12:27:28 2018 73.58.128.92)
white wings--Eminent domain
is quite a handy tool in the
government toolbox, you know ;)


wolfguard--How many people
does 1 billion gallons of water
per year serve? Well, let's
Google--the average American
family of two adults and one child
uses up to 138 gallons A DAY,
crazy! So that's a little over 7
million people a day, and with
Atlanta's metro population almost
6 million, that much water only
lasts them a day and a half.
That's very disappointing, it
sounds like so much more :(


Yay! Nuphalanx!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Mar 26 11:09:36 2018 24.3.106.169)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for nuphalanx!

yay nuphalanx!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wwolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 26 06:15:09 2018 71.56.125.67)
Wind River

Trailer


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Mar 26 05:45:23 2018 71.56.125.67)
Just on principle ...

Buffy

not B/A or Spuffy.

BUFFY

extra-strong.


*g*



WG



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white wings says:
(Mon Mar 26 03:47:29 2018 70.112.135.184)
Christopher Marlowe - I would ask about math, but I really don't want to know right now. ;-)

Maverick - Yeah, I was on the anger train from the beginning, but when they revealed the hundreds of requests for additional security, only to have security withdrawn, it all began to look more deliberate than incompetent. Mind, it was the duty of the commander-in-chief to ensure that help was sent, and help was not sent, at least by chain of command. It's not good for my blood pressure to be discussing it, and I don't even know any more about it.



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Maverick says:
(Mon Mar 26 02:15:05 2018 68.51.139.52)
Edited: Mon Mar 26 02:42:06 2018
white wings: Yes, Christopher Stevens's death was unforgivable. And Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice blaming it on an Internet video, that no one saw, was equally shameful.


Christopher Marlowe: Talk about the Leftist March for Gun Confiscation reminds me of the history of Leftist Gun Grabs. The Bolsheviks took guns when Communism took over Russia and Stalin killed 20 million of his own people (which includes those in work camps and reeducation camps [gulags.]) Hitler, as part of the Lefist Nazi (Nazi stands for National SOCIALIST) Party took guns away from the Jews before killing 6 million of them. Mao took away guns before his Great Leap Forward and killed 45 million who resisted Communism. Other Leftist killed many: Khmer Rouge, etc. It's all part of the Leftist Agenda. What they SHOULD be protesting is Government Bumbling and Incompetence, for instance Obama and Holder's Promise Program, the FBI, Broward County, etc. Not reporting crimes was what Obama's solution for criminality was all about. He left in his wake a whole bunch of land mine people in the fabric of the U.S. and these people will blow up and hurt someone, and each one will spur another Gun Control debate. Even that guy Dylan Roof got a gun through FBI incompetence.


Maverick


Jump




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Ebdim9th says:
(Mon Mar 26 00:47:29 2018 174.235.136.47)
CM and Looper agrees heartily with you.....lightning in a bottle, one and done, a liger in amber.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 23:12:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
Ah...the joys of math problems...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 21:37:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
ahhh..home sweet home. I'm done with people for now...back to my internet peeps however.



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 25 19:41:03 2018 70.112.135.184)
*flounces off*

*g*



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 25 19:10:20 2018 71.56.125.67)
White Wings,

Fake Editing!

is not all


1 million gallons

1.6 Mn gallons

Indoor 'Ocean'



WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 25 18:57:43 2018 70.112.135.184)
wolfguard - I edited the post to add a correction. It's all true - I saw it on the Internet. ;-)



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 25 18:49:38 2018 71.56.125.67)
Lostinamerica,

I wonder what a billion gallons looks like? How many people or households does
that amount of water service?


White Wings,

Fake News! that is all

*g*


WG



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 25 18:42:17 2018 70.112.135.184)
Edited: Sun Mar 25 18:56:38 2018
Happy Birthday princessfantastico!

lostinamerica - I saw that word "sliver" in several articles. Gee, how could Tennessee be so unreasonable about a mere "sliver" of land? ;-) Lots of wars have been fought over water. Civilization be damned. *g* Both states are probably lucky that the current EPA is less likely to swoop in and claim it all with land on either side as "waters of the United States", which they were trying to do on the Red River. I wonder what the status of that is? Must go look.

ETA: I must reluctantly apologize to the EPA. It was the BLM that tried to simply seize 90,000 acres of privately held ranch land and land whose mineral rights were controlled by the State of Texas for a school fund, based on something in the terms of the Louisiana Purchase. There was a federal court case and settlement last November in which the BLM cancelled their surveys and backed off (this attempt) and the state borders and private interests were reaffirmed. They said they would continue to "work with" the ranchers over the interests of the federal government to the waters of the Red River.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 18:30:06 2018 209.159.255.231)
Ebdim9th I can't envision a sequel to Napoleon Dynamite working on any level whatsoever. That was a lightening in a bottle movie, you just can't recapture it's goofiness.



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Mar 25 16:38:59 2018 64.28.52.183)
Christopher Marlowe I watched
a Youtube video as to why there will
probably never be another Napoleon
Dynamite movie, made a lot of sense:

Looper and no
Napoleon?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Mar 25 13:00:43 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today is Sunday, March 25th 2018 C.E.

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!


princessfantastico


Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to princessfantastico!



You were very nearly devoured by a giant demon snake. The words 'let that be a lesson' are a tad redundant at this juncture. Giles, 'Reptile Boy'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Mar 25 12:08:46 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard, white wings--Yes,
how convenient that the sliver of
land in dispute just happens to give
Georgia access to Nickajack Lake and
the possibility to pump up to 1
billion gallons a day. Hmmm. . .



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white wings says:
(Sun Mar 25 05:41:08 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday Alyson Hannigan, Blitz, and Powergirl!


Christopher Marlowe - Congratulations on your shopping success! I was involved with yard work, Buffy DVDs, and possibly Cadury's Creme Eggs.

lostinamerica - Thank goodness it's just a shotgun and not a sibling of Old Betsy. One should fear a Tennessean standing up for her rights. *g*

wolfguard - According to google, it's Georgia who covets Tennesseans' water. Specifically they want to adjust the border so that it includes a portion of the Tennessee River.

Maverick - 33? I thought it was only around 10. I've wondered if Chris Stevens ought to be added. Color me unforgiving for his death.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Mar 25 05:10:54 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Tonight we caught up with Riverdale, iZombie and watch the
series premiere of Life Sentence.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 03:44:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
allrighty then. I'll just hope folks are more chatty tomorrow!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 01:25:22 2018 209.159.255.231)
Knock Knock, anyone home?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Mar 25 00:18:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Anyone up for discussing the March for Our Lives?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Mar 24 22:42:00 2018 209.159.255.231)
scored pretty good at a local book sale, four cds and two dvds for six bucks!


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