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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 13 01:51:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard The title is supposed to be a riff on 'No Place Like Home' from the Wizard of Oz, so I guess there isn't much more to that, just conveying an alien place that isn't Earth.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 13 01:17:37 2018 4.28.180.2)
If Pylea was Lorne's homeworld, then what is "Pirtz Girb"? (From the second
season finale title).


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 12 23:22:46 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of Lorne's homeworld?
Answer Pylea

Trivia master is notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 12 22:00:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
home!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 12 17:00:59 2018 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica Well, even though the Shakers were non-Trinitarian, they always got a steady flow of people from the revival meetings joining them. As that cultural phenomenon faded out, they lost their source. As it was, they lasted a lot longer than the Father Divine Movement, a lso celibate.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Sep 12 14:51:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, September 12th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


andyourlittledogtoo
Annointed 1
Chrystal_Durnby
fire&ice
Kameko
Leila
Rose
Slayer_Spike
Spacey

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to andyourlittledogtoo, Annointed 1
Chrystal_Durnby, fire&ice, Kameko, Leila, Rose, Slayer_Spike, Spacey!



It's called a blaster, Will, a word that tends to discourage experimentation. Now, if it were called the Orgasmater, I'd be the first to try your basic button press approach.
Xander, 'This Year's Gir'


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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Sep 12 14:23:20 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Pylea



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 12 14:00:03 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was the name of Lorne's homeworld?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Sep 12 13:43:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
A day late and a dollar short!

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for closet buffyholic

yay closet buffyholic!

todays deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale high alumni association

which of the sunnydale alums we have met are most likely to show up at a reunion?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Sep 12 10:44:44 2018 73.58.128.92)
Trivia Girl--Just got back
from Kentucky--on Sunday we
visited Shaker Village in
Harrodsburg. It was fascinating,
learning about the Shakers, I
never really knew much about them.

We found out why they aren't
around anymore--Shakers lived as
brothers and sisters, including
married people who came into the
group. A docent told us there
were only two left, in Maine, and
I said two groups, and she said
no, two people :(

You'd think they'd have seen that
coming ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 12 04:00:30 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Sep 12 04:03:59 2018
White Wings,

I agree. That said, I was looking for industrial accidents as analogs for a
terrorist attack.


ETA I was watching some program on earthquakes, probably on the Weather
Channel. One of the scientists said, ~ Earthquakes don't kill people.
Buildings kill people. ~ *g*

Off-that, I learned that many people in Mexico City responded to the recent
earthquakes by going to the rooftops. Their reasoning - so many things were
falling off buildings that you had a good chance of getting hit, but unless
the building you were on fell, you'd be okay.


WG



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white wings says:
(Wed Sep 12 03:45:46 2018 70.112.135.184)
Happy Birthday bitter_sweet, Beldin's Mom, hollygurl, Other Kitty, thewitchgirl, wiccachick!

Christopher Marlowe - I used to have the oldest Beta boards saved, but I had non-hard drive failures on those machines. I still have the hard drives, but haven't succeeded in reading them. I haven't tried in over 10 years, though. I wonder if I had them backed up on some other storage? All my other storage is living scattered in unpacked boxes. Mostly I remember belmont's description.

wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe - Fire? San Francisco and Chicago have seen ugly fires in the city. I think nothing really beats Mother Nature. Consider the 1900 hurricane that swept Galveston Island.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 12 03:18:08 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I did some quick research:

(1) The Canadian train incident:

Lac-Megantic, Canada on 6 July 2013

47 people killed

30 buildings destroyed / 36 to have been demolished due to contamination


(2) West Fertilizer Company:

West, Texas on17 April 2017

15 people killed


(3) Port of Texas City

This may have been the largest industrial accident in American history. It
happened on 16 April 1947. Ammonium nitrate had been loaded aboard the SS
Gandcamp. Around 8Am the cargo began smouldering, burning. People gathered
to watch as the volunteer fire department went to work putting it out. They
didn't have much success. Around 9:15 the explosion. Chain-reaction fires
and explosions other ships (?) and chemical plants.

581 people killed.

113 people missing

8,000+ victims

500 homes destroyed

Source: Wikipedia article


(4) Bhopal, India on 2-3 December 1984

Gas leak at Union Carbide pesticide plant (methyl isocyanate).

2,259 people immediately killed

3,787 people died

558,125 victims

SourceL Wikipedia article



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 12 02:44:47 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

How difficult would it be to kill 3,000+ Americans with one strike? I cannot
think of any recent man-made accident that has killed that many people.
After the US Civil War close to 2,000 people died when the riverboat
"Sultana" exploded, burned and sank. There was a train accident in Canada a
few years ago that devastated a significant portion of a small town or
hamlet. There was an industrial explosion out in Texas a few years ago that
flatten a lot of buildings, but I don't remember there being thousands of
casualties. Large entertainment events, such as bowl games, comes to mind,
but because they stand-out they tend to get security. The mass shooting in
Las Vegas had 'only' 1/60th of the deaths as 9-11.

Interesting, my first thought was 'sure' or 'I wouldn't bet against it', but
just considering the above ...

Say one found a place and time where several thousand Americans could be
effectively attacked at one time. What sort of resources would one need? How
many people? How do you stay off the radar from imagining it to executing
it?

Such operations, to be successful, tend to share certain traits: They are
simple. They are kept secret. They are rehearsed. They are a surprise. They
are executed hard and fast.

This may be a reason why there hasn't been another 9-11 in the past 17
years.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 12 01:54:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Could another 9/11 happen here?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 12 01:16:11 2018 4.28.180.2)
Hereabouts



"A bubble is what I get fired for not owning."

- Fund Manager


*g*



WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Wed Sep 12 00:58:04 2018 174.235.147.79)
Thanks to CM as the Bronze, lostinamerica and you all everybody else for the birthday happehz!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 12 00:55:49 2018 209.159.255.231)
I am hereabouts!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 11 22:45:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the first
principal of Sunnydale High?
Answer: Flutie

Trivia Master: wolfguard, notsoshyGirl, Maverick

lostinamerica Hey! Any trips coming up?



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Sep 11 21:51:21 2018 73.58.128.92)
Happy Birthday wiccachick!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 11 21:24:37 2018 209.159.255.231)
white wings I tried looking at the wayback machine to see what was posted on that date, since the bronze (in some form) existed back then.



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Maverick says:
(Tue Sep 11 20:42:51 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: Doug Flutie


Wolfguard: What??? From what I've posted about Islam I don't have enough knowledge of what YOUR knowledge is about Islam? Can't argue with that. So, go ahead and enlighten us as to what you know about Islam. Quickly, though!! 622 Bangladeshis have been apprehended SO FAR THIS YEAR crossing our Southern border


Christopher Marlowe, Wolfguard: Another link you won't take.


Maverick


White Wedding (racist?)




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 11 18:05:54 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Richard Wilkins (1st)

It's true. *g*



"Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely." - Edward Tufte



WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Sep 11 15:02:58 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Robert Flutie.... or, Gary Murray
in the original movie.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Sep 11 14:47:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, September 11th 2018 C.E.
Honoring those lost on 9/11


We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


bitter_sweet
Beldin's Mom
hollygurl
Other Kitty
thewitchgirl
wiccachick

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to bitter_sweet, Beldin's Mom, hollygurl
Other Kitty, thewitchgirl, wiccachick!



Look, you got a little stabbed the other day. That's bound to make anyone a mite ornery.
Mal, 'Ariel'


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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 11 14:37:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the first
principal of Sunnydale High?



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white wings says:
(Tue Sep 11 14:32:34 2018 70.112.135.184)
Just remembering



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 11 13:53:03 2018 209.159.255.231)
I think OldManFan is on another vacation!



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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Sep 11 11:05:46 2018 73.58.128.92)
Belated Yay! Ozlady!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 11 04:58:44 2018 209.159.255.231)
Whooops!

Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Who was the First Vice President of the US?
Answer: John Adams

Trivia masters: NotsoShyGirl, wolfguard

Trivia comedian: Maverick!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 11 03:46:05 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

What many people do when learning about a new study on a matter of interest to
them depends on how the results jibe with their beliefs. If the study confirms
them, then they tend to accept them with little question1. If the
study contradicts their beliefs, then they either ignore it or seek reasons to
deny the results.

There's a TED talk where the speaker claims the three or four most dangerous
words are, "A (new) study shows". *g*

1 Unless they want to promote the results and need information on
or within the study to do it.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 11 03:02:04 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Tue Sep 11 03:03:28 2018
wolfguard That


'ven more disturbing, the study found that when exposed to scientific research that challenged their views....'

It brings to something I read today. There were two contradictory studies about the effect taking a baby aspirin has on women. One study indicated that helped, another said it didn't.

With the one study, it was a long-term observational study of Nurses. The other study was more typical, with control groups and such.

I've seen contradictory 'scientific studies' so i'm not sure what the average individual is supposed to think, so it might be they just default to the one that conforms to their views.

I think what might need to happen is more focus on the process, rather than the results.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 11 02:14:38 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Last night I watched selected scenes from Lessons and the teaser and
final scene from Beneath You. Tonight plan to watch all of Same
Time, Same Place
.


"...But increasingly, citizens don't want to have those
conversations1. Rather, they want to weigh in and have their
opinions treated with deep respect and their preferences honored not on the
strength of their arguments or on the evidence they present but based on
their feelings, emotions, and whatever stray information they may have
picked up here or there along the way ... "p.62

"...A 2015 study by scholars at Ohio State University for example, tested
the reactions of liberals and conservatives to certain kinds of news stories
and found both groups tended to discount scientific theories that
contradicted their worldviews. Even more disturbing, the study found that
when exposed to scientific research that challenged their views, both
liberals and conservatives reacting by doubting the science rather than
themselves..." p.67


From How America Lost Faith in Expertise by Tom Nichols in "Foreign
Affairs", March/April 2017.


1 "...conversations between ordinary citizens and experts..."



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 11 01:55:18 2018 209.159.255.231)
Back after a school board meeting.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 10 22:43:25 2018 209.159.255.231)
offline for an hour...trivia answer soon!!!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 10 21:03:21 2018 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

From what you have posted on Islam, you do not have enough knowledge to judge
my experience on the matter. You're working with a skewed knowledge-base. :)


Tactics favour the Regular Army while Strategy favours the Enemy.

- Chas. E. Callwell, c.1898


War is not the best way of settling differences, it is the only way of
preventing their being settled for you.


- Ck. Chesterton



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Maverick says:
(Mon Sep 10 19:07:57 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: The First President of Vice of the United States was Al Capone. One of Capone's lieutenants, Frank Nitti, was in charge of extortion, the "protection" racket, and HE was the mentor of Saul Alinsky, who is an icon of the Democratic Party.


Wolfguard: Okay, prove it. Tell us what you know about the threat of Islam and why it's crazy for Democrats to "invite" them into the U.S.


Maverick


Dust in the Wind




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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 10 17:56:27 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

The First has manifested as John Adams?!

*g*


Maverick,

Yours in italics.

...You really don't know enough about Islam to have a valid opinion on this
subject...


LOL. This comment alone is strong evidence of your rush to judgment, because
if you actually knew me, then you could not have written that line and be
telling the truth. It's just inferior reasoning. Inferior.


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Sep 10 14:43:40 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
John Adams



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Sep 10 14:36:58 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday, September 10th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Bronson
David
Harry Groener as Mayor Richard Wilkins III
LavenderMagik
Rianes
Shaniah

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Bronson, David, Harry Groener, LavenderMagik, Rianes, Shaniah!



Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work. Wash, 'Bushwhacked'''''

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Sep 10 13:53:26 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Who was the First Vice President of the US?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Sep 10 13:37:27 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ozlady!

yay ozlady!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Sep 10 06:23:33 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: No, I didn't say THAT! Read it again. I said the Progressives want to bring in Muslims to vote Democratic (just like they want to bring as many illegal aliens as they can across the southern border to vote Democratic.) The point is THEY DON'T CARE what damage the illegals (MS-13 and rapist killers, etc.) or Muslims (Orlando) might do (as I said Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez campaigned for a Muslim governor candidate in the Michigan Primary.) It's all about importing Democrat voters. It's all about winning elections.


Wolfguard: Now, I know you're not that thick. You can imply all the "alls" you want to, but remember WE (CM and I) were talking about what Christians and Muslims believe about homosexuals and abortion. I would imply the word "generally." Can you think of why any normal person would adopt the "religion" of Islam and reject the religion of Christianity? The answer is because Muslims plan it that way. Their "religion" is really a misogynistic, threatening conquest ideology masquerading as a religion. But how do they do it? Well, they have various ways to advance their Jihad. They have hijrah which is Jihad by immigration. So, they emigrate in great numbers to the intended target country. Then they refuse to assimilate. They also have a form of Jihad from the womb. A Muslim man can have up to 4 wives, and each wife will often have 6 to 8 children. In time they will outnumber the existing population, but even before that, when their numbers are large enough, they will begin to intimidate the local populace. They might even get some to convert to Islam. The thing is that once you become a Muslim, there's no turning back. Try to escape Islam and you are branded an Apostate and the penalty for Apostasy is death. Nowadays, and this is not reported widely, when Christians in Egypt are reported as doing anything vaguely anti-Muslim (maybe they make a cartoon of Muhammad, etc.) Christians are killed, churches are destroyed. I know you know nothing about these matters; you really have isolated yourself in never taking a link when someone tries to explain something to you. You really don't know enough about Islam to have a valid opinion on this subject. Do you realize that England--you know where the Queen lives--is under assault by Muslims right now. Ever hear of Tommy Robinson? Ever heard of a book called "No Go Zones"? Can we in the U.S. be far behind? Wake up!!


Maverick


Chris Beck's theme from "Sacrifice" and "The Gift" as sequenced by Noella Choi.




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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 10 04:18:34 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

Did some work, read some books, and attended a birthday party. Which day did
you enjoy the most, the one where you did a lot or the one not so much? *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 10 04:15:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Maverick The left wants to bring in Muslims to kill homosexuals? You seriously believe that? And you're accusing ME of believing fake news?



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Sep 10 02:43:45 2018 73.58.128.92)
Happy Birthday Trinity and
Carpe Di!


Belated Yay! MTVA!


Happy Belated Birthday
Menomegirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 10 00:55:22 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good evening wolfguard How did your weekend go? I did a lot yesterday, but not much today.



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 9 20:13:41 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sun Sep 9 20:14:21 2018
Maverick,

Towards creating additional content for the Bronze...

Yours in italics.

"...Christians do not want to kill anyone; Muslims seem to want to kill
everyone...
"

This expression may flow from casual thought, because it's a potentially
weak argument. There's an implied "All" in front of both "Christians" and
"Muslims". It takes only one example to disprove the argument. Given you did
it twice in one sentence makes it even easier to disprove.


"... I like to point out that Turkey (ever hear the song, "Istanbul, not
Constantinople") and Egypt were both Christian-majority countries at one
time...
"


Once upon a time, the lands that became Europe had no Christians. The lands
of the Western Hemisphere had no Christians. The lands of what became called
"Africa" had no Christians (and also no Muslims). I could go on.



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Sep 9 16:10:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, September 9th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


ACaBuffyFan
bohemiangel
brb14
CarpeDi
Occido
Trinity

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to ACaBuffyFan, bohemiangel, brb12, CarpeDi, Occido, Trinity!



Weird love's better than no love., Buffy, 'Intervention''

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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 9 05:47:53 2018 71.56.125.67)
Good Evening Beta!

WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Sep 9 04:37:36 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: Not being "charitable" at all. Christians do not want to kill anyone; Muslims seem to want to kill everyone, even other Muslims who differ in sects. Homosexuals are on the "to kill" death list of Muslims. What did you think the Orlando night club shooting was all about? I seriously question your sources of information. You are being fed fake news to manipulate you. The Left keeps wanting to bring more Muslims into the U.S., knowing they want to kill homosexuals, but they like that they will vote Democratic. Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez campaigned for some Muslim guy here in Michigan who wanted to run in the Democrat primary for Governor. Their level of ignorance is astonishing. I know what you're going to say: Not all Muslims subscribe to all the tenets of their religion. Well, they have a very effective enforcement methodology. If you don't believe in sharia (the Quoran in laws) law, you are designated an Apostate. And the penalty for Apostasy is death. They DO enforce this. I like to point out that Turkey (ever hear the song, "Istanbul, not Constantinople") and Egypt were both Christian-majority countries at one time.


Maverick


Human Nature




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 8 23:31:57 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Sun Sep 9 01:44:13 2018
Maverick You are being rather charitable, in my opinion. I've seen some Christians have
views on homosexuality and abortion that vary little from Islam.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Sep 8 19:14:08 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: Homosexuality:


Christians: Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin.


Muslims: Kill all homosexuals. ISIS used to throw them off of buildings. Check out Sharia law which applies to all Muslims. Also, per Wikipedia "In recent times, extreme prejudice persists, both socially and legally, in much of the Islamic world against people who engage in homosexual acts. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia (in some southern regions), Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty."



Abortion:


Christians: Christians believe life is a gift from God. Abortion is a sin that accrues to the person individually. I think Abortion as a multiple alternative to preventative birth control is especially a sin.


Muslims: Muslims believe in a kind of Jihad from the Womb. Abortion would prevent Allah from having another warrior to fight for Islam.


Maverick




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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Sep 8 14:43:38 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, September 8th 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Aeryn
Lilana
Niall
The Wonder Dog
Ty King

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Aeryn, Lilana, Niall, The Wonder Dog, Ty King!



Tara: What's so bad about them coming here? Aren't they good guys? I mean, Watchers, that's just like whole other Gileses, right? Buffy: Yes! They're scary and horrible! 'Checkpoin''''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 8 14:13:37 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 8 06:57:28 2018 71.56.125.67)
Buffy memories of mirth ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDuKy4ZC5Y




WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 8 02:04:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
Maverick Maybe this will rile you up...For all the ranting against Muslims, you do realize that Muslims and Christians share the same view of homosexuality and abortion? You would think right-wing Christians would be welcoming Muslims.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 8 00:51:13 2018 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

The incident with the auctioneer Congressman was not at the Kavanaugh
hearing, It happened at a meeting of the ~ Committee for Energy and Commerce.
I believe they were questioning Twitter's CEO on concerns about Twitter
favoring the Democratic Party over the Republican Party.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 7 22:52:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
whoa...slow Friday.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Sep 7 14:57:28 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, September 7th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


Demonette(Katie)
Maki Maus' SO
Menomegirl

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to demonette, maki maus' so, menomegirl



You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy. River, 'Objects In Space'

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Sep 7 14:15:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay muffy the vampire annoyer!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Sep 7 11:34:54 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for muffy the vampire annoyer!

yay muffy the vampire annoyer!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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Maverick says:
(Fri Sep 7 06:14:14 2018 68.51.139.52)
Christopher Marlowe: The video you were watching had an alt-Right "female" in it trying to disrupt a congressional hearing? That just doesn't sound right. In the Kavanaugh hearing, Linda Sarsour is one of the shrieking chorus of females supposedly fearing an end to Roe. She is a Leftie and of the Muslim constituency, wearing the hijab? Her mentor, Imam Siraj Wahhaj, is the father of the guy who was running the Muslim camp in New Mexico that was teaching young captive children how to use guns to shoot up schools. You do understand that Muslims think that homosexuals, as well as unborn non-Muslim babies, should die.


I had a wonderful personal watermelon yesterday. Up to that point when people suggested a personal watermelon to me, I would say, "I just don't want to make the commitment" but I gave in (for $1) and it was ripe and wonderful. I still have no idea on how to pick one, though.


Maverick


Layla




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 7 05:39:38 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

I just heard the representative do the auction call. Got on line and google
~ congress auction call ~. The "congresscritter" was Rep. Billy Long, a
Republican. Since you described the protester as being from the alt-right, I
thought to see how some other news organizations described the protester.
Here are the descriptions of the first four search results (actually
1,2,3,5. The fourth result had nothing to do with the incident in question).

1) CBS

"alt-right protester" and identified her as "activist Laura Loomer"


2) KFI AM radio

"protester-activist" and identified her as "Laura Loomer"


3) NPR

"vociferous protester. The woman..."


4) Rollcall

"...drown out protest of a woman..."




The protester believed Jack Dorsey, CEO of Twitter, used the platform to
minimize or block conservative presence on it (or social media?) and/or tilt
coverage to favor Democrats (this is my paraphrase of the reportage of the
four sources above).




WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Sep 7 02:03:06 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Fri Sep 7 02:57:23 2018
Comma's Topic

- Can the new BtVS make it without a few of the original cast showing up?


Yes


- ... do all think that the new BtVS can make it without most of the old
audience watching it?


The potential audience is more important that the old fans.


- Has anyone already made up their mind not to like it?

I have already made up my mind not to watch the "Magnum, PI" reboot. *g*
That said, the Holmes and Bond franchises have prospered with new actors
playing the old characters. The Bond franchise has successfully changed
settings. Recall the Bond of the books had fought in WWII and would be in
his mid-90's today. The Holmes franchise has time-shifted Holmes and Watson
almost 150 years - and one change of gender - and broaden the audience.

The Star Trek franchise has done the opposite of Bond and Holmes,
keeping the basic setting1 and creating new characters. A post-
Chosen setting my be similar.


- What time slot do all feel would be better for the new BtVS? What is
great now is the access to replay.


I do not believe BtVS would have been as successful without the Internet,
because the Internet allowed a community to develop discussing the show,
especially speculation on where the characters and stories might go. Also to
the extend writers pondered fans critiques, the Internet was indispensable.

Video on demand and binge-watching greatly lessens series-based communities
developing. Experiencing BtVS is not akin to wolfing down a bowl of popcorn,



- As a late minute add on, Who wants to see how the friendships have
weathered the group growing older?...


I say, string us along. If the show is a reboot of the original, then no one
has grown old. If the show is set sometime after Chosen, the it will
depend on how much time has past. A few years, then we will have the same
characters played by different actors. There will have been some change,
but not a couple decades. If a couple decades have past, then there will be
new characters and they will have to draw an audience of their own. Bringing
in the old characters may make it harder. Speak of them, but let them stay
off stage, at least for a while (maybe mid-season sweeps *g*).


1 The settings spanned a few centuries, but they were all
essentially about crews, all but one on starships, living and serving (?)
the Federation of Planets.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Sep 7 01:21:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Sounds like it has
been strange days on Capitol Hill.
Just finished watching a video were
an alt-right activist interrupted a
hearing and one of the
congresscritters drowned her out
with an auctioneering call.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Sep 7 00:21:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear when you
have Thalassophobia?
Answer: Sea

Trivia Masters: wolfguard and
notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 6 22:29:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
RIP Burt Reynolds. One last ride
with the Bandit.



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Sep 6 19:32:30 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Close! LOL!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 6 18:25:14 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

"Reunion", a topic to ponder on. *g*



Trivia Girl,

Greeks at sea???

*g*



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Sep 6 14:39:42 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, September 3rd 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Lady Buff
Little Willow
nitvid
NuPhalanx

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Lady Buff, Little Willow, nitvid, NuPhalanx!



Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music. Host, 'Happy Anniversary'''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Comma says:
(Thu Sep 6 14:22:04 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Thu Sep 6 14:26:00 2018
Talking about a BtVS reunion:

1. Can the new BtVS make it without a few of the original cast showing up? A: Yes, but I think that w would all like to see our old friends back in action at least once more.

2. When BtVS started the big three. CBS, ABC, and NBC, were still in charge, and there were whole areas that could not get the WB. With so many other choices now, and with the original BtVS audience getting older, do all think that the new BtVS can make it without most of the old audience watching it?

3. Has anyone already made up their mind not to like it? I do not except an answer on this.

4. What time slot do all feel would be better for the new BtVS? What is great now is the access to replay. That was a luxury that we did not have back in the day. Anyone else have their kids VCR tape shows that they were going
miss.

5. As a late minute add on, Who wants to see how the friendships have weathered the group growing older? People do change with age. Look at me. I was once a Robert Kennedy supporter!

Comma



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Sep 6 14:18:06 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
The sea or sea travel



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Sep 6 13:56:54 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Phobias
Question: What do you fear when you
have Thalassophobia?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 6 13:30:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay fasteddie!


Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Sep 6 12:45:15 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--You're welcome :)


Comma, ChristopherMarlowe--Wow, 16 years! That does
make me feel old and even less optimistic of a BTVS reunion :(


ChristopherMarlowe--Toxic Fandom? Why are people so angry?


Agent Cooper--You're quite right about the McCain coverage--I
would have liked a real assessment of his life and accomplishments
while in Congress. Instead his death was used as just another way
to beat up on Trump.


Yay! FastEddie!


Belated Yay! Mrs.Beasley!


Happy Belated Birthday Ebdim9th!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Sep 6 11:48:36 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fasteddie!

yay fasteddie!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Comma says:
(Thu Sep 6 02:06:47 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Thu Sep 6 14:07:30 2018
Sarah posted that they had been together over two decades. She also posted that marriage is like a deck of cards, hearts and diamonds in the beginning and, later on, one wants the clubs and the spades.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Sep 6 02:01:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
Comma a milestone when it comes to marriage these days!



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Comma says:
(Thu Sep 6 01:59:51 2018 75.143.154.113)
Get ready to feel old! Congrats to Sarah and Freddie on sixteen years of marriage.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Sep 6 00:35:45 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Sep 6 00:37:00 2018
Agent Cooper,

When I first saw the excerpts from that article, thought "deep state"! *g*
OTOH, the person who has not been hoodwinked by the mainstream media will
see the article for what it really is - a false flag operation run by Alex
Jones. *g*


DaddyCatALSO,

I'd like to think the Knights came from another dimension, because it's
easier to suspend my disbelief. If they had already existed in the Sunnydale
dimension then I have to think about the logistics of moving a company of
knights across the globe. TSA would have frowned. *g*

Along the same lines, AtS' conception of many demons being just like humans
but for physical appearances took away some of the mystery and dread of
facing the forces of darkness. Sometimes the writers used such portrayals
for a laugh, such the Loan Shark demon in Tabula Rasa. For me those
sort of demons took away from BtVS.

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 5 23:29:16 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who does Angel undergo
the trial for in the episode 'The
Trial'?
Answer: Daral

trivia master: notsoShyGirl



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 5 20:16:02 2018 199.127.148.10)
Agent Cooper From what I've been reading lately, the Penns managed to buy a controlling stake in West Jersey after it failed as a colony. Butthenit wasmerged with East Jersey to control bandits. Too bad they didn't just merge East Jersey into New York and set up a border authority.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Sep 5 20:05:34 2018 66.152.102.250)
Let me just leave this here, as it's pithy at the moment.

I am the resistance inside the Trump administration.

So there's no deep state. Nothing to see here. *whistle*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 5 19:43:43 2018 199.127.148.10)
Edited: Wed Sep 5 19:45:46 2018
I never picked cotton
But my mother did and my brother did
And my sister did and my daddy died young
Workin' in the coal mine

When I was just a baby too little for a cotton sack
I played in the dirt while the others worked till they couldn't straighten their backs
And I made myself a promise when I was big enough to run
That I'd never stay a single day in that Oklahoma sun

And I never picked cotton
But my mother did and my brother did
And my sister did and my daddy died young
Workin' in the coal mine

Folks said I grew up early and in the farm that couldn't hold me then
So I stole ten bucks and a pickup truck and I never went back again
And it was fast cars and whiskey long haired girls and fun
I had everything that money could bring and I took it all with a gun

But I never picked cotton
But my mother did and my brother did
And my sister did and my daddy died young
Workin' in the coal mine

It was a Saturday night in Memphis when a redneck grabbed my shirt
He said go back in your cotton sack I left 'im dyin' in the dirt
An' they'll take me in the mornin' to the gallows right outside
And in the time I've got there ain't a helluva lot that I can look back on with pride




But I never picked cotton
But my mother did and my brother did
And my sister did and my daddy died young
Workin' in the coal mine

But I never picked cotton
But my mother did and my brother did
And my sister did and I'll never die young
Workin' in the coal mine...



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 5 19:32:25 2018 199.127.148.10)
Wolfguard No, I think the opposite. I thought *you* were connecting them



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 5 18:27:04 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Wed Sep 5 18:30:11 2018
Agent Cooper,

New Jersey wants to be as corrupt as New York someday, when it grows up.
:-P
LOL!


DaddyCatALSO,

Then you think the Knights came from Glory's dimension? If so, do you think
they morph'd themselves as Byzantium knights? If so, why Byzantine?



BUFFY
(to Riley)
Like mean Tribbles?

*g*


Last night I watched As You Were. If you remember the episode Riley
and Sam were looking for "The Doc" who had collected the demon eggs to sell
to bad guys. Riley's sources identified the Doc as Spike and the eggs were
in Spike's 'basement'. Spike claimed he was holding them for a friend or
acquaintance. In 5th season's Forever Spike takes Dawn to the Doc to
get one of the ingredients she needed for resurrecting Joyce. Is this the
same Doc?

If so, then did the Doc survive his fall from the Tower in The Gift.
? If not, did he have a twin, triplet?


WG



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Sep 5 14:21:23 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Darla



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Sep 5 14:06:36 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who does Angel undergo
the trial for in the episode 'The
Trial'?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Sep 5 13:35:06 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Wednesday, September 5th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Dear Mr. Fantasy
Mayven
Miss Dainty
Riley x 3
Roadrunner_94
Wagner

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Dear Mr. Fantasy, Mayven, Miss Dainty
Riley x 3, Roadrunner_94, Wagner!



Welcome to the Hellmouth petting zoo. Buffy, 'Dead Man's Party'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Sep 5 13:19:24 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay mrs. beasley!

deadguy qod

I think Giles would be all over writers, particular the one who did 'Vampyrs'!

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Sep 5 12:37:13 2018 66.152.102.250)
Wolfguard: Alright, yes I'm a little cynical about government employment. Point. And you are obviously a glass half full kind of person.

I present as my defense that I am a resident of New York State.

New Jersey wants to be as corrupt as New York someday, when it grows up. :-P



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Sep 5 12:01:00 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mrs. beasley!

yay mrs. beasley!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale convention - costumes not necessary

if giles were at a convention, who would he fanboy over meeting?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Sep 5 11:59:20 2018 199.127.148.10)
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Glory's native plane was dimensionally distant from Buffyearth, and her partners were as evil a s she was. the Knights use traditional medieval-earthly trappings and rhetoric, and represent an archaic form of good. I see no way to connect the two.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 5 02:55:14 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

How did the story go? Glory was defeated in a war in another dimension? The
victors then either ...

- Trapped her in Ben and sent him to the Earth dimension.

- Sent Glory to the Earth dimension where she was then trapped in Ben.


Something happened allowing Glory to occasionally escape confinement and
express herself as the human-shaped Glory. She then went seeking the Key.
The monks who were protecting the Key changed it to human, Dawn, and sent
her to Buffy.

If this is correct, then the Knights were already on Earth or came to Earth
from another dimension.

I think. *g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Sep 5 01:38:27 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I wondered about that whole Gregor/Glory business, before either showed up on the show.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Sep 5 01:20:00 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Gregor was actually a Strategos.

*g*

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 4 23:36:41 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the General of the Knights of Byzantium?
Answer: Gregor

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 4 22:35:25 2018 209.159.255.231)
finally home!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 4 18:02:07 2018 71.56.125.67)
Agent Cooper,

I don't use and never have. Nor do or have I used alcohol. I've never used
any drug for the purpose of influencing my moods.

Now let's turn to your eye-glass prescription, specifically the color of
your lens...

I did not say these "bureaucrats" were selfless. For convenience I divided
them into two groups. One group were people whose jobs in the government, in
this case the EPA, were just that - jobs. They probably do their jobs no
differently that most of us do our jobs. How do you do yours? Ever take any
advantages at the cost of shareholders? Do you post during business hours?
Do you, now and then, go beyond the call? Have you ever experienced a change
in management or ownership that you have had to suffer through?

The second group were the true-believers, people who may well have sought a
job in the EPA, because they believed in its purpose. Do such people exist
in private industry? I think some do. Do these folks look for companies they
see as seeking to meet customers' needs. Some sure do. Will they leave a
company that no longer serves those ends? Some sure do.

Essentially, both private and public organizations have people who are using
them as ends - a paycheck. And then there are those in both who joined the
organization because they believed in the organization. One difference in
this case between private industry and the federal government is there are
probably more choices for the person in private industry to find another
home. Another difference is the federal government is often more powerful -
which is why matters become partisan.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Sep 4 16:37:00 2018 66.152.102.250)
Wolfguard: So there's no entrenched bureaucrats, interested only in their own survival and enrichment on the taxpayer's dime, anywhere in the govt? They are all just honest, hardworking public servants toiling selflessly for the good of the country and mankind, with no political agenda whatsoever? :-)

I seriously want some of what you're smoking dude!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Sep 4 14:03:06 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Gregor



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 4 13:34:17 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Buffy
Question: Who was the General of the Knights of Byzantium?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Sep 4 13:11:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, September 4th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Buffy13
Dragonlady
LadyInBlack
Rather Poetic
Teen AK
ZedsDead

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buffy13, Dragonlady, LadyInBlack, Rather Poetic, Teen AK, ZedsDead!



Don't you have an elsewhere to be? Cordelia, 'Welcome To The Hellmouth'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 4 08:08:27 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Tue Sep 4 08:09:08 2018
Christopher Marlowe,

In developing countries families tend to have larger families. More kids draws
the average towards their ages.


WILLOW
Fix Buffy? Buffy's broken?

From Gone


Just watched teaser to Bargaining, 1 and the last scene between Buffy
and Willow in Wrecked. Superb.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 4 02:59:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I know that Japan
is facing a more severe aging
crisis than the US, with less means
to correct it via immigration or
higher births.

I hadn't expected India or Mexico
to have such lower medians.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 4 02:19:59 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I took the following numbers from Wikipedia's article, ~List of countries by
median1 age )years) . I've rounded the numbers.

42 Canada

37 China

41 France

47 Germany

27 India

45 Italy

47 Japan

28 Mexico

40 Russia

41 United Kingdom

38 United States



1 The median is the number whose value splits the population into
two equal groups. In the case of the US, this would mean 50& of the
population is under 38 and 50% is over 38.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 4 02:07:35 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Ask young people. The twenty-something's I've met have been concerned with the
uncertainty of employment and careers. Some also carried heavy debt loads,
mostly from school loans.

Many older people say they have lost their jobs or fear they will lose their
jobs to automation or overseas workers. Many Americans have saved little, if
at all. One study said something like ~~40% of Americans, if faced with an
emergency need of ~$400, would have to sell something or borrow the funds.

OTOH, in most developed countries the population is aging. Uncorrected, that
means there will be fewer people in the next generation or so that will be
looking for work. What will happen to the old people? If they are to be cared
for then we'd better get these robots working well and/or sort out the
immigration issues. I believe the US's aging problem has been mitigated by
immigration. OTOH, some Americans want to remove that solution from the mix.

WG



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Comma says:
(Tue Sep 4 01:53:07 2018 75.143.154.113)
Twenty million-The number of historical Latin American items that went up in smoke today. The museum, in Rio de Janeiro, did not have a sprinkler system. The Brazilian Congress had just approve the monies to install a sprinkler system. A sad day for the whole world.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 4 01:23:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
A video worth watching, Rise of Toxic Fandon

Rise of Toxic Fandom



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 4 01:01:40 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard As this was Labor day, I attended a local democratic fundraiser/picnic where they talked about the advances made for the American worker: forty hour week, no child labor, etc. I wondered what is left to be done with respect to worker protections?



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 3 23:30:20 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I imagine EPA career employees could be categorized into at least two groups.
One group consist of people whose education and experience, plus perhaps the
contingencies of their personal histories, lead them to working for the EPA.
The second group are people who sought a career in environmental protection
and navigated their choices in education and work towards that end.

The first group has probably hunkered down aiming to do their job, as best as
they can, until President Trump leaves office. The second group probably faces
a difficult choice: do they look for a more compatible job or stay, in the
hope of mitigating Trumpian policies they feel at odds with the founding
ethos of the EPA.

In some ways, the employees of the EPA face a similar problem as the employees
of the State Department.


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Sep 3 22:37:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: Who wrote the classic book, 'Silent Spring'?
Answer: Rachel Carson

thank you wolfguard. I kind of wonder how well the EPA functions now, given the administrations lack of interest on environmental issues at least with respect to undoing regulation.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 3 18:28:34 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Rachel Carson

WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Sep 3 14:34:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today, September 3rd 2018 C.E.
Labor DAy!
However Yesterday was September 2nd, 2018

We had TEN (10) Birthdays!


abre
clarrie
CarpeDi's Mom
Ebdim9th
IceLord
Jake
Maylia57
pfeifferpack
Petrona
WallEyed

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to abre, clarrie, Ebdim9th, IceLord
Jake, Maylia57, pfeifferpack, Petrona. WallEyed!



Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy. Willow, 'Listening to Fear''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Sep 3 14:03:04 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Literature
Question: Who wrote the classic book, 'Silent Spring'?



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YayOftheDay says:
(Mon Sep 3 13:25:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for narrator!

yay narrator!
Goodbye Blue Monday!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 3 06:13:30 2018 71.56.125.67)
Christopher Marlowe,

But in what way does it challenge them? Do they get all hermeneutie about
it? *g*


SPIKE/"RANDY"
I must a noble vampire.

On a mission of redemption.

I help the helpless.

I am vampire with a soul!


BUFFY/"JOAN"
~A vampire with a soul? OMG How lame!


From Tabula Rasa, two great comedic acts sandwiched in pain and
sadness.


Trivia: In it Willow repeats that classic line from Doppelgangland,
~ I think I'm kinda of gay. *g*



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 2 23:21:41 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard A vague disclaimer is definitely dangerous. Trying to interpret something vague even challenges Supreme Court justices!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Sep 2 21:56:43 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, September 3rd 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


Amezri
Clare Kramer as Glory
Enchanted
Lady of the Lake
Lavaelf
FreckledFacedAngel
Varney the Vampyre

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to [bAmezri, Clare Kramer , Enchanted
Lady of the Lake, Lavaelf, FreckledFacedAngel, Varney the Vampyre!



Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy. Willow, 'Listening to Fear''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 2 05:59:00 2018 71.56.125.67)
"A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend (beat) Have fun!"

- Willow's warning to Riley in The Initiative


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 2 03:55:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
Slow day at the beta! I spent most of my day in three meetings, and catching up with the McCain funeral coverage.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Sep 1 21:26:00 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, September 1st 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


elover
Marilee
RikkrP
Vanessa
Vviolet

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to elover, Marilee, RikkrP, Vanessa, Vviolet!



You do well to flee, townspeople! I will pillage your lands and dwellings! I will burn your crops and make merry sport with your more attractive daughters! Ha ha ha! Mark my words! Ooh! Ale! I smell delicious ale! Olaf the Troll, 'Triangle'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 1 17:32:49 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sat Sep 1 17:44:05 2018
Lostinamerica,

The professor examined the war in the Pacific through the lens of Mahan and
Corbett. These are the "Clausewitz's" and "Sun Tzu's" of naval warfare.
1 The professor's opening sentence, paraphrased here, ~ Some say
Mahan's greatest contribution to the US was being translated, read, and
embraced by the Japanese navy. Those who have had a passing encounter with
Mahan may have come away with the idea that navies should aim for a decisive
engagement that will win a war in its country's favor.2 The
Japanese did experience such a success when its navy defeated the Russian
navy at Tsushima in 1905.

As you noted, Japan made a mistake in initiating a war with the US. ADM
Yamamoto, C-I-C of the Japanese fleets, had studied at Harvard. He knew the
US' industrial capacity and warned the Japanese government of the dangers.
As I recall, Yamamoto told the government that the Japanese navy could run
wild and win victories - for the first 6 to 12 months. After that, not so
good. That Japan went ahead suggest they did not see the question as one of
ability as of will. Yes, the US has such power but the US does not have the
stomach for the fight. We will capture the resources we need and then make a
settlement with the US. They got that wrong.

Much of the lecture looked at the interplay between how both the US and
Japan used, misused, or did not use the principles set forth by Mahan and
Corbett. Some of Japan's failings ...

1) While they embraced Mahan, they often ignored his advice on massing ships
and instead divided their fleets sending ships and task forces in different
directions on different missions...

2) ... often in the service of overly complicated plans of deception.

3) They entered the war with well-trained and experienced pilots, but did
not rotate them out of combat, so in time lost them all without their
experience being passed on to new pilots.

4) Their merchant fleet was not large enough to transport all the raw
materials needed to Japan (As I recall they only had a quarter of the
capacity they needed). This is separate from what was needed to transport
troops around the Pacific.

5) They built a few large submarines to serve as scouts for the surface
fleet which meant they did not have the numbers needed for effective attacks
on US logistics.

6) Their antisubmarine (ASW) doctrine and resources were lacking. One of the
relatively unsung successes of WWI was the USN submarines' attack on
Japanese commerce. Using ~~3% of the Navy's resource, the submarines sank
around 50% of Japanese shipping by tonnage.

7) They forgot the adage that the enemy has a vote: Japan had fortified
islands across the central and south Pacific intending to force the US into
a series of bloody battles. The Japanese may have seen these as walls or
trenches, but they weren't. The US by-passed most of them, aiming to
capture those islands needed to build airstrips and naval bases for the next
jump forward.


* Probably the most important question is what did the Japanese want and
how did they reason force could be used to satisfy this want?

Part of the standard history explaining why the war started goes something
like this ...

1) Japan wanted to control Korea
2) Which meant controlling Manchuria
3) Which meant controlling China
4) China not was on board this plan.

WAR

5) The US disapproved of Japan's behavior towards China

6) Towards changing Japan's behavior, the US imposed various sanctions, e.g.
no exports of scrap metal or oil.

7) Facing these sanctions Japan took inventory of its raw materials and
concluded it had around a year to find new sources or submit to the US'
will.

8) The resources could be had from French, British, and Dutch colonies in
southeast Asia.

9) Japan concluded force was the best way to secure these areas.

10) But the US forces based in the Philippines, a US colony, could threaten
Japan's forces attacking and holding these European colonies.

11) Therefore the US threat had to be removed (US military forces in the
Philippines were attacked several hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor).

12) But if we attack US forces in the Philippines then it will only be weeks
before forces based in Pearl come a calling; therefore, we should also hit
Pearl Harbor.3

To really assess the grand strategic question, we must ask why the Japanese
wanted Korea and China? How would controlling these countries benefit Japan
and would the necessary costs of achieving and maintaining control have been
worth it?

AND THANK YOU for posting on the topic. In replying I get to rethink and
refresh my memories on it. *g*


1 Nutshell, Mahan wrote on the influence of seapower on history
and the necessity for a country wishing to be powerful to have a large
merchant fleet, powerful navy, and the global infrastructure to maintain
both. Corbett examined the need for sea and land forces to work together and
over time to create successes. Mahan died before and Corbett shortly after
WWI, so they had little, if anything, to say about submarines or aircraft.

2 Trafalgar is the classic example. Fought in 1805, Britain's
victory over the French-Spanish combined fleet gave Britain rule of the seas
for a century. OTOH, years of naval warfare lead up to Trafalgar.

3 A little over a year earlier the British, using WWI aircraft,
had make a surprise attack on the Italian naval base at Taranto. So while we
say the Japanese made some poor decisions, they did have two then recent
historical cases supporting their battle-thoughts, Tsushima and Taranto. For
us a lesson is if stakes are high, then think deeply on analogies offered
supporting the debating sides.


WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Sat Sep 1 16:59:28 2018 108.44.34.233)
Wow. Death really does do wonders for people. It's really funny in a sad way to watch all these media and political folks trip over themselves to heap praise on McCain, now that he's passed.

I, however, am old enough to remember the 08 Election. I remember the derision and vitriol heaped on the man from every corner of the media and the lefto-sphere, from many of the very same people praising him now. I remember the photo shops published of McCain with feces dripping all over his face, celebrated with glee. The endless stories of his failed marriage with his first wife. The accusations of collusion during his captivity.

What conveniently short memories people have.

Politics is an ugly business, truly. Fortunately I think most people nowadays know that. The duplicity is pretty obvious.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 1 14:15:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Sep 1 11:47:38 2018 73.58.128.92)
wolfguard--The Japanese
screwed up by waking up the sleeping
giant in the first place--should
have waiting until Germany had
Europe pretty well sewed up ;)
Then, if Hitler had kept his pact
with Stalin who knows how long
Russia would have stayed out of it,
he might have done it.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 1 03:52:06 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

The "Ancient Southwest" was the opening lecture to five or six others. One
takeaway is the people often referred to as "Anasazi" do not like being called
it. Archaeologists once thought it meant "Ancient Ones", but the people so
labeled say it means "Ancient Enemies". They prefer "Ancestral Pueblo".
Another takeaway dealt with trade. There's evidence the five cultural
groups1 traded with other groups to the far west, north, and south
but there's yet to be evidence showing trade with the Mississippian cultures
(actually people along and to the east of the Mississippi).

1 Ancestral Pueblo, Hohokam, Mongollon, Fremont, and another I can
"see" well enough to spell. *g*)


Quick takeaway on other lecture - The Japanese's strategic thinking on the war
was severely flawed. The screwed-up big time. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 1 03:04:17 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Was there a big takeway with either or both?



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 1 01:51:12 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've just finished watching two lectures. One was on naval strategy in the
Pacific during WWII and the other was on the prehistory Southwest (North
America).

WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 1 00:24:06 2018 107.167.127.96)
how is everyone tonight?
I am at a poetry reading



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 1 00:23:03 2018 4.28.180.2)
Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 31 20:26:08 2018 209.159.255.231)
DaddyCatALSO Thanks for sharing the link!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Aug 31 19:22:48 2018 216.164.173.90)
I shoudl do this as alink but-
interetsign article realting Aretha
and McCain.

https://frontpage.pch.com/article/1
26128/ap-essay-aretha-franklin-
john-mccain-and-the-
1960s/entertainment?ref=trendingnow



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 31 15:24:04 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, August 31st 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


AimlessMind
Confessor Tee
FYI
Melaka
Risa
Rose
Whateva
Witchmum

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @AimlessMind, Confessor Tee, FYI
Melaka, Risa, Rose, Whateva, Witchmum!



Danger's my birthright. Buffy, 'The I in Team''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayoftheDay says:
(Fri Aug 31 13:57:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for drunkenfairy!

yay drunkenfairy! Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Aug 31 10:41:51 2018 73.58.128.92)
Maverick, DaddyCatALSO--We were in Chicago recently for a wedding and had
a couple days to wander around and so took the architecture river cruise--the
people who run that also have a tour of Wright's stuff in the area, that would be
great :)


ChristopherMarlowe--MAGA, ChristopherMarlowe, MAGA ;)



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 31 04:58:28 2018 71.56.125.67)
Rewatching AtS' The Girl in Question

They wrote great dialogue for James. *sigh*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 31 03:34:22 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Just checked in. Be back in a hour or so, 1:00 AM EDT.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 31 02:44:59 2018 209.159.255.231)
Oh lord, Trump is coming to South Dakota...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 31 01:20:21 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard You around?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 30 19:49:31 2018 209.159.255.231)
MAverick, Agent Cooper I also believe Allyson wrote another book, a Children's book about a bat, 'Sam the Bat'.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Aug 30 19:01:34 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: The Asteroid Belt covers the Empire (strikes back) Waste (Waist) right between the Mound of Venus and the Décolletage of Jupiter.


lostinamerica: Wetmore's Garage. Actuallly, it turns out Wright's involvement only was that he submitted plans for a remodel of the interior of the garage, but after a bit of the remodeling took place, Wright and Wetmore got into a snit (read the exposition on the above link.) Actually, Wright has a few other houses in the area (again see the link above.) BTW, I once visited and got a tour of Fallingwater (close to Ohiopyle, Pa.), when I took another distribution course, Arts's Appreciation, at Pitt. It was definitely a high point of my life.


Agent Cooper: I-I-I've got a copy of her book "Will the Vampie People Please Leave the Lobby?" which I really don't think was a question, because I believe I was there at the time. This was at the PBP (the one with Marc Blucas) and happened in the West Hollywood Ramada Inn. The year eludes me. I've tried to read WTVPPLTL? more than once but it featured a lot of name-dropping, but at least it did not include an Acknowledgement to Lucifer. I'll try again--seems only fair.


Christopher Marlowe: Have you ever seen "My Fair Lady" (the movie with Audrey Hepburn,) or "West Side Story" (with Natalie Wood), or "The King and I" (with Deborah Kerr)? No? Something for you to do. I hate Musicals but loved "The King and I."


drunkenfairy: I have some (more than most) copies of Buffy Boards from the WB Bronze (like two weeks worth of contiguous postings) and some early Bronze Beta and some other things on my website at Maverick's Home Page. Scroll down to where it says Nostalgia and take THAT link. Feel free to also read my Fanfics.


Maverick


Creepy




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 30 15:27:19 2018 66.152.102.250)
drunkenfairy - Allyson wrote a book? When did that heppen?

Nobody tells me anything!

Trivia Girl: The Asteroid Belt is located in the Ford Galaxy. Specifically it lies near the Delphic Expance adjacent to the Romulan Netral Zone. It's about 12 parsecs from Tatooine.



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drunkenfairy says:
(Thu Aug 30 15:11:46 2018 50.76.210.145)
Yay fasteddie!

Hey ya'll!

Happy CD Thursday! I have a weird
fascination with Taylor Swift
lately, but mostly I get to
listen to Kids Bop. Current top
requests are The Trolls
soundtrack and "I'm a policeman
dressed in blue."

I moved recently and unpacked my
collection of Buffy, Angel and
Firefly stuff along with a copy
of Allyson's book about us
vampire people. *g*



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Aug 30 14:55:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Thursday, August 30th 2018 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!


jenpro
Samuri Cat
Xanderphile

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @jenpro, Samuri Cat, Xanderphile



Who died and made you Elvis? Cordelia, 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Aug 30 14:52:59 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Mars and Jupiter



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 30 14:18:53 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Spaaaaaace!
Question: The Asteroid Belt is found between what two planets?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 30 14:15:36 2018 66.152.102.250)
Lostinamerica: Heh. ISWYDT.

Yeah, so basically this idea leads to a CPS investigation either way. :-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 30 13:52:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay fasteddie!


Happy CD Thursday!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Aug 30 11:55:24 2018 199.127.148.10)
lostinamerica Wright was aware he was part of a new movement in a architecture, and so eh designed many things.



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Aug 30 11:31:13 2018 73.58.128.92)
Maverick--Wright designed a gas station? Why?

I love his stuff--went to a convention once at the Arizona Biltmore where he
worked with the architect, beautiful :)


Agent Cooper--Unless you let her dress, or not dress, as Daenerys when she
becomes the Mother of Dragons ;)


Yay! Fasteddie!


Belated Happy Birthday RTBS and Ojagwers!


Happy Belated Birthday Blade the Vampire Hunter and Humvee!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 30 10:39:14 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for fasteddie!

yay fasteddie!


Happy CD Thursday!



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Gileslover says:
(Thu Aug 30 04:33:10 2018 190.213.113.16)
wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe Thanks
guys, good to stop by again after all this time!
Hope all is well with you guys! xo



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 30 03:58:21 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

He served many years and he liked people. Usually if you like people they like
you back.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 30 02:28:50 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I've been catching the memorial services for McCain, I hadn't realized there were going to be so many.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 30 02:14:46 2018 4.28.180.2)
Welcome back Gileslover

We are holding the fort until BtVS returns. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 30 01:09:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
Gileslover Glad you stopped
by, hope life is good for you!



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Gileslover says:
(Wed Aug 29 23:10:23 2018 190.213.113.16)
Just saying a long overdue hi to everyone. I know
it's been literal years since I last posted and I'm
sure no one remembers me at this point, but felt
like checking in to say hey. Hope all is well folks!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 29 23:07:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the secretary at Wolfram And Hart at the beginning of season five?
Answer: Harmony

Trivia Bosses: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Flunkies: Agent Cooper



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Maverick says:
(Wed Aug 29 20:02:49 2018 68.51.139.52)
Ah, we're talking about first computers. My first was a "portable" computer (cost around $2,000) that weighed around 20 lbs. You could fold it up and it had a handle. It had no screen, though, so I DID have to plug it into one of those orange on black monitors. It also had no permanent internal memory, so I had to swap disks all the time. I would load a disk (with the operating system on it--CP/M methinks) into memory and then pull the disk out and load another disk with Lotus 1-2-3 on it. This old computer, though, had an honored position in our family history. I got tired of it and got another computer (probably another $2,000,) and I gave my "portable" to my younger brother who had had a heart attack and could no longer do his "chippng" (labor) job in a Johnstown Steel Mill. The computer also had a learning disk that could teach someone basic Lotus (a spreadsheet program.) Anyway, TMALSS, he taught himself Lotus and applied for a Technician's job at the same Steel plant. He had to prove he could handle Lotus and he also read my Dummy book on Lotus, and he passed and got the job. Afterwards my brother supported his family for many years with that job (until he later redeveloped further heart problems and succumbed to it.) One of the other "neat" things about that computer was that I had another disk called "Racter" that was like an Artificial Intelligence program. You could converse with "Racter."


I also once had one of those Timex/Sinclair computers that you had to assemble yourself (including soldering) that I never could get to work.


Maverick


Where Do You Go?




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 29 18:46:36 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Wed Aug 29 18:47:31 2018
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

Google "Buffy the Vampire Slayer images" for ideas on costume.


Just saw this on "HuffPost" (?) published this past March...

Excerpt

"A reboot has been frequently discussed over at Fox, which owns the rights
to the series," said Gary Newman, head of Fox Television Group, per Variety.
Speaking at the INTV Conference in Jerusalem on Tuesday, Newman added that
"Buffy is the the most ripe show we have for bringing back.

It's something we talk about frequently, and Joss Whedon is really one of
the greatest creators we ever worked with" he said. "When Joss decides it's
time, well do it. And until Joss decides it's time, it won't happen."




WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 29 15:07:47 2018 66.152.102.250)
Trivia Girl: Frau Farbissina



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 29 14:40:11 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay rtbs!

deadguy qod - Spike is the easiest, all you kneed is a black trenchcoat and blonde hair!


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Aug 29 14:12:20 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Harmony



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 29 13:58:57 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who was the secretary at Wolfram And Hart at the beginning of season five?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 29 12:53:42 2018 66.152.102.250)
Oh, and just as a BTW, Daughter Cooper also wants to be Danerys Targaryen. At which time I explained to her that if she dressed up as Danerys CPS would likely be called to my house to ask why I'm letting an 11 year old watch GOT. :-)

*She has never seen the show or read the books, of course. She HAS seen a few youtube clips that I showed her. She was curious about the show her parents were watching so I've been telling her the story (minus all the TV-MA bits) and showed her some safe clips so she could see what the characters look like and get the idea of what they were like. Of course, she became enthralled with the idea of Danerys and her dragons.

And anyway, I figure if she dresses like Danerys everybody would likely just think she's Elsa. And there will probably still be like a millions Elsa's running around so why bother? Amiright?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 29 12:45:41 2018 66.152.102.250)
Wolfguard: I remember writing simple programs on the Apple IIC. It was very easy to use and hard to really harm anything with, which I guess has always been Apple's thing. When I got the DOS PC that was much less easy for a novice to program anything in and alot easier to screw up the whole works if you made a mistake so I became a lot less adventurous in tinkering with it and eventually lost interest in trying.


Yay of the Day: Now that is a relevant question to me, because I asked Daughter Cooper what she was thinking about for a Halloween costume this year and one of her choices was Buffy. Which poses the question: How does one dress up as Buffy, exactly? :-)



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Aug 29 12:22:16 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for rtbs!

yay rtbs!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale cosplayers

who is the easiest buffy character to recognizably cosplay?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 29 05:45:55 2018 71.56.125.67)
Yay Ojagwers!!


Happy Birthday J August Richards!



Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question


The slayers show up at dragoncon to protect the attendees... in order to
fit in, what costume(s) does Buffy take?


Rey


Dawn comes as Ayra Stark and Willow as Daenerys Stormborn, Mother of
Dragons. Xander is Jack Sparrow and Giles as as StarFleet officer.



Good Night to All

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 29 02:50:57 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

What college accepted him?


More from "Native Transformations on the Great Plains". Lecturer is
Professor Daniel Cobb. Here he quotes another historian...

~ When Lewis and Clark crossed the continent they met Indian people who wore
woolen blankets, who were accomplished traders, knew how to swear in both
French and English, drank alcohol, bore the marks of smallpox and competed
to secure or monopolize access to goods and guns ~

- Colin Galloway


Professor Cobb goes on to add, ~ The Americans (Lewis and Clark) and all
that they carried were not so much new to the people of the plains so much
as they were next. ~



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 29 02:30:00 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard A few months ago, I attended part of a talk with Adam Steltzner, a NASA engineer.

He was a pretty entertaining talker, and one of the things I remember most is that he wasn't that great of a high school student and only dove into the filed when he started college.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 29 02:27:23 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

True, but trucks aren't designed to travel in space. *g* The speaker added
spacecraft operate on the edge of catastrophic failure (my phrase).

Finished watching a lecture titled, "Native Transformations on the Great
Plains". Lecturer is Professor Daniel Cobb. He focused on three things that
transformed Plains people - guns, horses, and diseases.

In the disease part he tells of a Kiowa story of how their trickster hero,
Saynday, tricked Small Pox. Saynday sees a dark spot approaching from the
eastern horizon. Shortly a man on horseback arrives, his face is pitted with
scars.


Saynday ~ Who are you?

Man ~ I am Smallpox. I come from far away, across the eastern ocean. I am
one with the white men and they are my people as the Kiowa are yours.
Sometimes I move ahead of them and sometimes I lurk behind, but I am always
their companion in their camps and houses. I bring death.

Saynday tells Smallpox that the Kiowa are too small to be of much interest
to him, but why not visit the Pawnee? They have large houses full of people.

Smallpox ~ I like that. I do my best work where people are crowded.


And with that Smallpox turned away and rode north towards the Pawnee.




WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 29 01:27:10 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I'm not sure a truck weighing 100 pounds would be driveable or safe!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 29 00:17:41 2018 4.28.180.2)
A.B.C. = American Born Chinese

"is a term widely used to refer to American citizens of Chinese descent,
excluding first-generation immigrants.
"


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 28 23:17:33 2018 209.159.255.231)
nnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the slayer who was called after Buffy was killed by the Master?
Answer: Kendra

Trivia Master: notsoShyGirl, Agent Cooper



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 28 22:50:34 2018 4.28.180.2)
I was listening to a TED talk on rockets. The speaker said if the engineers
who designed a rocket1 had designed his pick-up truck with the same
attention to minimizing mass2, then his pick-up would weigh about
100 pounds.3


1 A specific rocket was named, but I forgot it.

2 During the Gemini/Apollo program ball-bearings used on spacecraft
would be hollowed out to reduce mass.

3 An object's weight is a measure of its mass under the influence
of a given gravitational field. For instance, a person who weighed 100 pounds
on Earth would weight around 15-16 pounds on the Moon. The person's mass would
not have changed, but the gravitational fields would be different.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 28 20:53:25 2018 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

I took my first programming course at a community college around 1981. I
don't remember the type or model computer, but we learned "Applesoft BASIC".
I bought my first computer sometime in the winter of 1986-97. I remember it
was from Korea and had a mono-chrome monitor (orange text on black).

In the mid-80's, I had a friend who worked for a renovation company that
bought a "portable" computer, because it was the thing to do. The computer
sat in an office corner till he volunteered to take it home and learn how it
worked. As I remember, the computer was around 24"x 10" x 8". One side came
off and on its inner side was the keyboard. Once this side was off the
monitor was exposed - a monochrome screen around 6" square. It's weight - 25
pounds.

When I was in college there were no personal computers, mostly all main-
frames and they were housed in an imposing building. Data was inputted using
punch-cards. A week or two after submitting your punch cards you would
return to pick-up the results on a print-out.


My third or fourth computer was a notebook and I used it to send my first
post to the Bronze. *g*



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 28 19:28:47 2018 66.152.102.250)
I have fond memories of my first real Desktop PC. It was an IBM Clone I suppose, I bought it from a mail order computer company called SAI Systems in 1990-91-ish. It was a 386dx, with a good sized memory cache, SVGA video and a really nice sound card. Top of the line at the time. :-)

Before that I had an Apple IIc, but don't consider that my first desktop because I had to share that one with the rest of the family. But I have fond memories of that one too.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Aug 28 19:04:11 2018 199.127.148.6|199.127.148.4)
wolfguard Maverick What Gates did is simply the old, old story; se who's looking for a thing and find a way to provide it.

Agent Cooper Places a whole new spin on the concept of Thoroughly Modern Millie



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 28 18:14:05 2018 71.56.125.67)
Maverick,

From your post, (Gates) "...writing Microsoft operating system software for
the IBM personal computer..."

That's not what happened. After Apple's early successes with its desktop
computer, IBM realized it needed to get in the market. But, IBM did not have
a PC. To correct this, IBM set up a team in Boca Raton to put one together
and to do it in around a year. Up to this time, IBM had kept tight control
on all hardware and software used in its products, but with the tight dead-
line it could not do the same with the PC project. IBM had to assemble their
PC with existing components, one such being an operating system.

Gates learned of IBM's need. What did Gates do? He bought another company's
operating system, 'Quick and Dirty DOS', changed its name to MS-DOS, and
sold its use to IBM - while keeping the intellectual property rights. Since
IBM owned little, if anything, of the components that went into the IBM-PC,
other companies were able to assemble and sell IBM-clones. And each of these
clones needed an operating system - the one owned by Microsoft.

So there were two major operating systems competing in the PC market: Apple
and Microsoft's. The first ran only on Apple and the second ran on IBM and
IBM-clones. The network effect favored IBM's which defaulted to Microsoft.
Gates initial success was not from writing the initial operating system, but
from well-played initial move that he capitalized on. Certainly Microsoft
wrote a lot of code afterwards, but they didn't write the first operating
system used on IBM's first PC - or at least not from scratch.


What Gates did write was a BASIC interpreter for Altair, but this was back
in the 70's. I believe this may have been one of the reasons he dropped out
of college. As I remember him saying in an interview, he saw potential in
microcomputers and thought it was worth a couple years of his life to
explore it.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Aug 28 16:05:24 2018 66.152.102.250)
Trivia Girl: Millicent Muldooney. Unfortunately, Millicent was "called" while walking home from a friend's house, alone, taking a shortcut through a dark, vampire infested cemetery in Cleveland, Ohio. She lasted 4 minutes and 26 seconds before Kendra was called.

Shortest Slayer career ever!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Aug 28 14:53:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Tuesday, August 28th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


CJ
Faris
FIREHAWK
J August Richards as Charles Gunn
Kresnik
spikelover
Toni
Unadopted Angie
Zorander

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @CJ, Faris FIREHAWK, J August Richards, Kresnik, spikelover, Toni, Unadopted Angie, Zorander!



en percent of nothing is -- let me do the math here -- nothing into nothing, carry the --
Jayne, 'Serenity'''


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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Aug 28 14:35:44 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Kendra



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Aug 28 14:08:18 2018 209.159.255.231)
sunnydales Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: What was the name of the slayer who was called after Buffy was killed by the Master?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 28 13:27:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay ojagwers!

deadguy qod

Vampirella! That would distract just about everyone!


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Aug 28 12:10:41 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for ojagwers

yay ojagwers!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnydale comic con - our guests are as scary as our attendees

the slayers show up at dragoncon to protect the attendees... in order to fit in, what costume(s) does buffy take?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 28 07:04:34 2018 71.56.125.67)
Maverick & Agent Cooper,

Word Association

Word - Socialism

Responses: Welfare programs, Government ownership of the means of production


I believe the above covers how most Americans 'think' about socialism. It's
not inaccurate, but if person thinks they've covered the topic with such
responses, then they are misinformed.

'Modern' socialism is an umbrella word for civil and political responses to
industrialization's impacts on folks' livelihoods and autonomy. More on
socialism another day.

Communism was once such response and it originated in Karl Marx's works on
capitalism. He did title it Das Kapital and not Das
Kommunismus
, because the book explored how capitalism came to be and how
its contradictions - in Marx's mind - would lead to capitalism's ruin. He
believed it would be replaced by communism, but he didn't give the details
much thought. Lenin and the Bolsheviks did give it some thought and after
winning the Russian civil war they began building a communist system. The
USSR lasted around 70 years before voting itself out of existence.

While Communism has been dormant, if not dead, for almost three decades,
socialism continues. Different beasts.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Aug 28 01:38:22 2018 209.159.255.231)
Maverick I will look her up!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Aug 28 00:39:36 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: I hate to quibble--Okay, forget that--I LOVE to quibble--but that's a WigWag, not a WigWam. BTW, did you look up Marni Nixon (similar to Marti Noxon)? You will be very surprised and entertained.


Maverick


Superfreak




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wolfguard says:
(Tue Aug 28 00:13:30 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Tue Aug 28 00:19:14 2018
Maverick,

I haven't read the first part of your post beyond Thatcher's quote, because
I want to first write my post on the topic without its shadow. *g*

As to the second part of the post on the judge ...

The Constitution is not "...a listing of laws to rely upon to make legal
decisions...
" Setting aside 'The Bill of Rights'1 the
Constitution describes the organization of the government and the rules by
which the government would work. No laws are created or listed.
ETA

When a court declares a law unconstitutional its saying the law is at odds
with the principles or rights outlined in the Constitution. Until I read or
hear what the judge in question said or wrote, I cannot comment on the
statement's relationship to the Constitution.

1 Article 5 establishes the power of Congress to add amendments
and the ones so created constitute the Bill of Rights.

ETA Consider the logic. Until the Constitution was ratified there
was no Congress to write any laws. Consequently, the Constitution doesn't
contain any laws, rather it instructs how laws will be made by Congress.



WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Aug 27 23:57:44 2018 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard, Agent Cooper: Well, I agree with some of your stuff but not all. Margaret Thatcher is famous for having said, "The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Her point was that, like Hugo Chavez's Venezuela (now Maduro's), they took a thriving economy and all those oil reserves, and just started redistributing (for political power) what was there, but he did not grow the economy or even maintain it. He p!ssed it away. Capitalism actually Creates Wealth. Innovators like Bill Gates, who started in a garage (hell they don't even HAVE garages in Socialist countries) writing Microsoft operating system software for the IBM personal computer and then branched into programs like Word and Excel and the Internet browser. Steve Jobs started with his Apple computers and then got ousted by Apple and went to Pixar and then eventually came back to Apple and create the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone. These guys not only got personally wealthy and created thousands of well-paying jobs for others, but they also produced useful tools to enhance businesses and personal convenience. And the well-paid employees of these companies had money to spend and other jobs were created to service their spending habits and so on and on. Make no mistake, the high muckety-mucks of the Left want to get control and plunder this already-created wealth and they will sew envy and resentment and create disharmony and they will extort money from the producers to pay some goons to create violence and do their dirty work. Eventually everyone will work for them. It has ever been thus in Marxism and the Left. So far they have been thwarted in the U.S. (methinks by Christianity which is why they constantly try to ridicule it.)


Wolfguard: That thing with the Judge: I've searched for it and don't see it come up (I don't know anyone who has Lexus/Nexus [I wish I DID know Ann Coulter, who has made a good living using it.]0 The point was, though, that she cited as whatever (case law?) that she relied on to make her decision a line from the Declaration of Independence and was so ignorant and couldn't be bothered to read up on it to realize that the Constitution is a listing of laws to rely upon to make legal decisions and the Declaration of Independence was essentially a letter to the King saying "we won't take this anymore" and established no legal precedent. The judge may have had some of this information about her legal acumen scrubbed from the Internet. I note more and more of this. The problem is that links then go nowhere. I noticed that Firefox recently included the ability to take a pic of a site, which I see more and more journalists doing. They often still have pictures of Twitter's messages when the writers delete them. We all should probably start to do likewise.


Maverick


Send Her My Love




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 27 23:01:32 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Transportation
Question: Where would you have seen a device called a "Wigwam"?
Answer: railroad crossing

No winners today!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 20:56:59 2018 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

I agree with Adam Smith's take on enlightened self-interest being the
keystone behind socially successful economic systems. If an economic system
respects this 'keystone', then it's being pragmatic. That said, an economic
system can be capitalistic without being so pragmatic.

The reason is power. Enlightened self-interest works because no one person,
group, or organization has enough power to distort markets to their own
interest. Usually this happens because markets1 are competitive.
Few businessmen, if they had a choice, want to produce for a competitive
market. To the extent they can shape a market to minimize competition for
themselves, they do.2

If a government seeks competitive markets, then it will usually have to
continually adjust the rules of the game to make and maintain them. And many
companies that want to minimize competition will look at how government
might be persuaded to shape the market towards the company's benefit.

Now all of the above might well exist in an economy without capitalism.
Capitalism, because of its economic productivity, raises the stakes for all
parties.

....

Socialism in a bit.



1 I'm using the plural, because a complex economy has many
markets. Some may be competitive, so may not be.

2 Recall Warren Buffett's preference for companies with "high
moats".



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 27 20:54:20 2018 209.159.255.231)
Dogmeat!! How have you been doing man!



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Dogmeat says:
(Mon Aug 27 20:44:49 2018 68.129.190.148)
*wave*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 27 18:58:49 2018 66.152.102.250)
Maverick/Wolfguard: Capitalism succeeds where Socialism fails because it takes into account human nature.

Socialism depends on all people being basically good, and assumes all individuals in a society will always play fairly and abide by the rules, always selflessly choosing to do what's best for the society at their own expense.

Which is exactly what happens...in unicorn fairy rainbow land.

Capitalism is much more pragmatic, and assumes individuals will always compete with each other to win the most success for themselves, and they will work much harder to achieve that success when they are A. free to do just that, and B. free to do it without having the fruits of their labor confiscated by the government.

Capitalism takes into account the reality that people are going to be out for themselves first and foremost, and harnesses that energy toward the betterment of all. In that sense, Capitalism is much more in line with the real world.

Which is why, while it isn't perfect, it's the best economic system anyone has come up with so far.

Gordon Gekko was 100% correct.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 18:37:44 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Maverick,

Do you remember the name of the judge or can you cite her exact words? I ask
because ...

...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...



So did she say "Constitution" or the "Declaration"?


As I see the two documents, the "Declaration" states the ends and the
"Constitution" describes the means.

At the moment, I've no take on "Freedom". First I need to read her quote.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 18:10:27 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Mon Aug 27 18:11:24 2018
Is the American Flag at the White House at half-mast or not?


ETA Maverick

Just saw your post and will read and try to reply to it sometime tonight.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Aug 27 18:09:07 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: In Pennsylvania they sometimes have these Wigwam-looking structures alongside the road that contain salt (or whatever) to treat the roads in the winter.


lostinamerica: Limit the cars to the 50's and 60's? Well, the route Route of Woodward Dream Cruise covers roughly 4 lanes of traffic for 26 miles on either side of a grassy area for a Michigan turnaround. From 8 Mile (note the Eminem reference) Road northwest to around the 21 Mile Road area where northbound Woodward goes through Pontiac (where it's called Wide Track Drive) and circles back around and then becomes Woodward southbound which travels southeast the other 13 miles back down to 8 Mile Road again. The organizers prefer classic cars to take the right two lanes north and south, so they can be clearly seen by the spectators. But my point is that there's a lot of space that needs to be filled up in this "parade," and the other cars add to the celebration of the auto. BTW, and I find THIS interesting, there's a gas station/tire retailer alongside Woodward on the west side of Woodward in Ferndale that was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright called Wetmore's Tire and Auto. Somehow, without even knowing this, when I first came to Detroit that's where I started buying my Michelins (the only thing the French do right.) I was attracted to the exterior where they had an older car, like a Model T, sticking out on the roof.


Wolfguard1: I disagree on your implication about capitalism thriving due to monopolies. Capitalism thrives due in large part due to technological innovations and competition. Granted that sometimes advance tech CAN be bought. But Marxism, Socialism, always fail because they do not have the incentives to excel; they can only steal so much. I loved Econcomics in college, which I had to take as a distribution course. But I don't think I really understood the implications of economic theory until I watched Milton Friedman's "Free to Choose" on PBS (and, yes, PBS once had more even-handed programs before they descended to exclusively supporting the Left.) BTW, "Free to Choose" is on YouTube in all of its 10 episodes. Each episode included 1/2 hour of exposition and then 1/2 hour of discussion. The discussion, featuring a lot of people we've long since forgotten, like Michael Harrington, a Commie. We also see a "young" Thomas Sowell. (Sowell admittedly was once a raging Marxist but was too smart for it to make sense to him for long.) Come to think of it, YOU might enjoy the discussion portion.


Christopher Marlowe: Did you mean R.I.P. Neil Simon? Now, there's a loss.


Birthday Gnomette: Yes, Marti Noxon. Trivia: you know who Marni Nixon was?


Wolfguard2: Yes, private property is necessary under Capitalism and the Rule of Law is crucial. Both of these are under constant attack by the Left. The Judges appointed by people like Obama do not even understand how laws are built up upon precedents, etc. I remember one black, female Judge, appointed by Obama, who decided a case based on her reference to the Constitution guaranteeing the Freedom to pursue happiness.


Maverick


Love Theme from "Star Trek, TMP"




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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 18:02:44 2018 71.56.125.67)
First!

That is all.

*g*

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 16:21:21 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

Journalist Dana Bash wrote an article on Senator John McCain titled "What I
learned covering a statesman's journey". Follows the last sentence ...


"... I am forever grateful to McCain for teaching me to be serious without
taking myself too seriously, to have meaningful debates and discussions
without being mean, and to learn early on how to run through the Capitol
hallways in heels, because that was the only way to keep up with him."


The entirety can be read on CNN online.



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 27 15:28:20 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Mon Aug 27 15:28:50 2018
Agent Cooper,

Shelby Foote, the author, once refused to be involved with a Disney project on
the US Civil War. One reason was Disney's penchant to coat stories and
programs in cuteness. As an example he gave the chipmunk characters, Chip and
Dale. Foote said, ~ I know (real) chipmunks and there're not cute, there're
vicious. So, good call.

*g*


WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 27 14:34:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Monday August 27th 2018 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Blade the Vampire Hunter
Freddy
HumVee
Jules the Elder

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @Blade the Vampire Hunter, Freddy, HumVee, Jules the Elder!



And what's the fun in becoming an immortal demon if you're not regular, am I right?
The Mayor, 'Graduation Day ('''


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 27 13:56:13 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Mon Aug 27 14:01:15 2018
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Transportation
Question: Where would you have seen a device called a "Wigwam"?



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Comma says:
(Mon Aug 27 13:40:46 2018 75.143.154.113)
Edited: Mon Aug 27 13:41:29 2018
I would guess that, in big business, people, who work for the big boss sometimes uses that power to push people around. That is more than true in the government, which includes the military. I wish that I had a dime for every time, when it had nothing to do with the situation, that some soldier stated, 'Colonel So-n-so' needs this or that done. If you want me to really slow things down, just call me and state, without giving me your name, 'This is Congressman XYZ's office, and...' Most of the time, the person calling needs a report to finish their report for their boss. One will get more out of me by asking for my help instead of trying use your boss's name.

That said, I have a computer listing, that my boss and I can update, that list the priority of papers due and the required dates. I receive automatic messages when dates, or requirements, change.


The office of '*****' signing out!!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 27 13:39:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 27 11:59:59 2018 66.152.102.250)
Comma - So, you're saying there's self serving corruption and petty in-fighting within our government, at the expense of duty and honesty?

This is my shocked face.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 27 03:47:47 2018 209.159.255.231)
RIP George Simon.

Not a good day today for the nation.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Sun Aug 26 18:04:50 2018 108.44.34.233)
Wolfguard: My money is on the Chipmunks. They're small, but they're scrappy!

Actually ended up watching "Ninjago". Which was, as it turned out, very funny.



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Comma says:
(Sun Aug 26 16:14:18 2018 75.143.154.113)
No names: Had the aide, to an elected official, threaten my job position if I did not come to a certain conclusion on a report.


1. I am a contracted employee. My contract spells out my length of employment, my expected salary, and details on how, and why, I may be relieved of my duties. Telling the truth is not one of those reasons.

2. Even if it goes against what I believed prior to my research, I report the truthful findings. It hurts at times.

3. An elected official cannot have me fired.


After a very short investigation, I received an official apology from the elected official and the aide. It seems that the official had not idea that a threat had been made.


The report, which contained nothing that should require a secret classification, nerveless received a SECRET classification. That keeps the general public from ever reading it. The bill, that the document would have discreated, died in committee. I'm not sure if the aide is still employed. Under the normal Washington conditions, the aide would have too much information, on their boss, to outright be fired. The aide may be filing reports for several months.


Normal for D.C..

Comma



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 26 12:40:45 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Sunday, August 26th 2018 C.E.

We have TWO (2)Birthdays!


Prowler
RafterBitten1 (Brynna)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Prowler, RafterBitten1!



That's my girl... That's my good girl. Kaylee, 'Serenity''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Aug 26 04:37:56 2018 71.56.125.67)
Rest in Peace

Sir


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 26 02:33:12 2018 209.159.255.231)
RIP John McCain.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 25 23:05:15 2018 209.159.255.231)
I see Trivia Girl stole my birthdays!!

Just for that I will steal her trivia one day!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Sat Aug 25 14:46:20 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Saturday, August 25th 2018 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!


Angle Man
Divyne
klskin
macpro75
Marti Noxon
Molly
Polgara
Slayergirl99uk
Watcher's Pet

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @Angle Man, Divyne, klskin, macpro75
Marti Noxon, Molly, Polgara, Slayergirl99uk, Watcher's Pet!



We knocked 'em deader!, Willow, 'Superstar''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sat Aug 25 14:26:30 2018 64.28.52.183)
Good Morning CM and you all
everybody!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 25 14:23:53 2018 209.159.255.231)
Good morning beta!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Aug 25 12:53:40 2018 73.58.128.92)
Maverick--I see newer cars joined in, seems like they should keep it to
the 50s and 60s models.

One concern that's been raised by members of my husband's British car club--many
of these cars are affordable, under $12,000, and yet few young people are
members. Who will carry on the tradition of driving older model cars?

Maybe the current Mid-century modern craze will keep them interested in the 50s
and 60s models and when they can afford these they'll buy them ( a lot of them
are crazy expensive and are only affordable if you can do a lot of the work
yourself, which is probably another problem).


Belated Yay! sweeper!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 25 05:54:53 2018 71.56.125.67)
Edited: Sun Aug 26 05:22:39 2018
Maverick,

I'd signed off for the night when I had to go back online to send a time
sensitive email. Thought to take a final peek at the Bronze. So much
material. *g*

Well, markets have existed long before capitalism appeared on the scene.
Competitive markets, the sort of markets necessary to achieve economic
efficiency, are the sort of markets businesses try to avoid. Ultimate
business success rides on monopolistic markets. Ask Peter Thiel or Bill
Gates.

What about property rights? Are they needed for capitalism? I think so. Who
creates and maintains property rights? Laws do.

Anyway, I could go on all night. *g*


I've lived and worked among people whose political-economic worldviews
were much broader and deeper than the one you have described over the
years here on the Bronze. Yours is a weak tea to my experiences. *shrug*


To end on a humorous note, it use to be said that the Soviet Union
manufactured goods for export they, in effect, subtracted value from the raw
materials of which the goods were made. *g*


WG



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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 25 04:24:45 2018 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: I love "The Americans" (which will now turn Christopher Marlowe against it.) I don't particularly like the guy who plays the FBI Agent Stan Beeman (Noah Emmerich) but otherwise it is funny and suspenseful. I particularly like seeing Richard Thomas in something again and Margo Martindale and Frank Langella. The best thing about this--as I see it--is that it constantly points out that Russia has never had the ability to produce anything useful on its own. Communist economies (Lefties) and what they produce is NOT determined by the Marketplace (they have committees [all the big shots are on committees] who decide this, badly.) They need to STEAL a lot of the ideas for what they produce (ever see a Russian TV or computer for sale?) Just like the Chinese (who are indeed smart people but the technology of much of what Marxists produce is stolen from the U.S.) The Chinese have students in our graduate schools and working for American industries and they steal secrets (even for their space program.) Meanwhile Capitalism "tells" Americans what to produce (whatever sells, of course) and they spend their own money making it and keep their own profits and wealth is produced. The Marxists have to plunder the wealth already accumulated (making no more.) That's why Venezuela under Caesar Chavez and now Maduro are basket cases. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will never figure this out. Whereas all she has to do is watch "The Americans."


Maverick


Human Nature




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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 25 02:46:47 2018 68.51.139.52)
Wolfguard: "If you are not a Liberal at 20, you have no heart; if you are still a Liberal at 35, you have no brain." I was just a little ahead of that curve. I just got sick of all the lies that have to be told, if you are a Liberal, and that have to be repeated and repeated. I think very well, independently. I don't need others to agree with me. I graduated High School before 1975 and therefore got a good education. I know how to think (not WHAT to think as they teach nowadays.) I used to agonize over the black kids I went to school with, who sat in classes with me and I always felt, as so many others of my generation did, that blacks were somehow getting shafted by "the system." I graduated college and promptly got drafted and served in the Army with many, many black young men. Eventually I came to this conclusion. They were perfectly smart BUT pissed away a great education. The Democrats promised them THEY would take care of them and they wouldn't have to exert themselves. Democrats need a permanent underclass of voters (the urban plantation) to stay in power. Way back, when a black person exhibited his intelligence, other blacks would say, "Whatcha doing, acting white?" And now they claim whites have "White Privilege." They would have had this "White Privilege" (whatever that means) themselves if they HAD acted white (which, I believe, was nothing more than enjoying learning things--I "stupidly" thought school was kinda fun.)


I have always had the ability to question the sense of things. Yes, I DO believe Conservatives try to make sense of things, and Liberals will often lie emotionally, even if they don't have to (maybe for practice?). I have to laugh when I remember I tried, within the last year, to get anyone on this Board to watch the NOW FREE video "The Autism Enigma" and got no takers. I have a copy of "Science News" in front of me (a joint issue Aug 18 and Sept 1, 2018) and the article is entitled "Gut microbes relieve autism symptoms." cc: Agent Cooper, abt The original video was copyrighted 2011 (lots of needless suffering has gone on.) You can lead a horse to water . . .


Maverick


Eyes Without a Face




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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 25 02:40:07 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Neither Bond or Sydney were spies. Bond was a dark knight who slayed Her
Majesty's adversaries. Sydney sometimes played a similar role, but often was
a commando conducting raids to steal or destroy stuff. Seasons 1 and 2 of
Alias were superb, because after being enlightened that she had been
seduced into a false flag operation, she was kept in place and play to bring
them down. Once that long multi-season arc ended the show got more and more
silly.

In The Americans, Elizabeth and Phillip engaged in too many covert
action operations too have long remain undiscovered. But, it does make for
exciting and suspenseful television. I've been watching fourth season.
Around third season Elizabeth and Phillip are instructed to begin developing
their daughter, Paige, as a spy (they have two kids, neither have any idea
their parents are Russian spies). Elizabeth is on-board, Phillip is not.

Anyway, I'm only in season 4 so who knows what will happen. *g*



Oh, in one of the early episodes, perhaps the pilot, President Reagan is
shot. Many Americans suspect the Russians. The Russians suspect a the
military-industrial complex of a coup. Recall General Haig telling reporters
he was in control? Prime evidence to the Soviets of a coup. Each side is
seeing what they expect to see.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 25 01:33:35 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I've heard great things about 'the Americans' although spy stuff isn't usually my favorite genre, outside of Alias and James Bond.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 25 00:28:12 2018 4.28.180.2)
Agent Cooper,

Harry Potter vs. The Chipmunks? *g*


Maverick,

If you believe all conservatives are logical and all liberals are illogical,
then you are handicapped by that belief.


Christopher Marlowe,

My schedule ...

8-9PM: The Americans (I think this past spring saw the final season.)

9-11PM: Psych: The Movie



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 24 23:41:09 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard No current shows or BTVS, that shouldn't be too hard.

For the three hour block.

8PM-9PM - CSI - Original Receipe.

9PM-10PM - Farscape

10PM-11PM -Xena Warrior Princess

I was originally going to choose X-Files or Doctor Who, but I think those are still technically ongoing series.



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Maverick says:
(Fri Aug 24 19:42:57 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: Champagne Wishes and Caviar Dreams


R.I.P. Robin Leach


Wolfguard: The discussion with Ridicule, for me, was just an Analogy Question, like "Call someone a Racist" is to "respond to a logical argument" AS _______ is to characterize a non-Lefty person. Lefty strategies.


Maverick


Galveston




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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 24 18:18:08 2018 66.152.102.250)
Wolfguard: Well, I WAS going to (against my better judgment) watch my Giants play the Jets around 7:30, but apparently the game is not being televised, except down in the city. Probably to spare the rest of the nation from watching some really awful football.

So now I don't know. Probably watch a movie with the kids. Which probably means Harry Potter or Alvin and Chipmunks or insert something something equivalent here.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 24 15:36:23 2018 71.56.125.67)
Drive-By

This afternoon's topic is scheduled viewing, past tense personal. If you've
forgotten your grammar no problem.

8PM-9PM

9PM-10PM

10PM-11PM


What shows would you scheduled for tonight? Two constraints - no current shows
and no BtVS.



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 24 14:20:52 2018 209.159.255.231)
Today Friday, August 24th 2018 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Aussie Katrina
Cellen
Dreamscape205
Joxy
Kaymyth
Miss Pointy
poptart13
wicca

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @Aussie Katrina, Cellen, Dreamscape205
Joxy, Kaymyth, Miss Pointy, poptart13, wicca!



You do well to flee, townspeople! I will pillage your lands and dwellings! I will burn your crops and make merry sport with your more attractive daughters! Ha ha ha! Mark my words! Ooh! Ale! I smell delicious ale! Olaf the Troll, 'Triangle'''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 24 13:54:24 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay everdawn!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 24 13:08:42 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for everdawn!

yay everdawn!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 24 03:39:46 2018 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

From AtS? They were obnoxious. The Gods must be crazy. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 24 03:10:51 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard I can write a story on the Glitter twins too!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 24 00:06:23 2018 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Fri Aug 24 00:08:37 2018
Agent Cooper,

What Christopher Marlowe called them, Dragon "Overlords".


ETA Christopher Marlowe,

Why not? Didn't George Burns play God in a movie or two? The Greek Gods and
Goddesses had all the human flaws.


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 23 23:41:19 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard Do you think fanfiction could be done focusing on the The Powers That Be?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 23 23:11:57 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Ling-Ling and Hsing Hsing were the names of what two animals gifted to the National Zoo in 1972?
Answer: pandas

Trivia Zookeepers: notsoShyGirl, wolfguard!
Trivia Monkey Chow: Agent Cooper



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 23 21:25:46 2018 209.159.255.231)
wolfguard[/b I welcome our Panda-Dragon overlords. *g*



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 23 19:53:02 2018 165.225.38.81)
Wolfguard: Will they be noble, awe inspiring Game of Thrones dragons? Or ugly, mean Reign of Fire Dragons?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 23 18:20:58 2018 71.56.125.67)
Trivia Girl,

Two Giant Pandas, but when Ascension arrives they will morph into two Giant
Dragons. Be warned! *g*

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 23 16:14:31 2018 165.225.38.81)
Trivia Girl: Christmas elves.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Thu Aug 23 14:40:06 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Giant Pandas



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 23 14:23:06 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: Ling-Ling and Hsing Hsing were the names of what two animals gifted to the National Zoo in 1972?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 23 13:44:56 2018 209.159.255.231)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mh!

yay mh!


Happy CD Thursday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 23 12:28:53 2018 108.17.71.129)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for mh!

yay mh!


Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 23 02:35:59 2018 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

Ricule and "ad hominen" are slightly different.

Online definition of "Ridicule" ...

- the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive
language or behavior.

"he is held up as an object of ridicule"

synonyms:mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt,
jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, teasing, taunts, taunting,
badinage, chaffing, sarcasm, satire; ...



"Ad hominen" is attacking the person making an argument rather than the
argument itself.


One can certainly use ridicule to attack a person rather than a person's
argument; however, one can ridicule person without engaging in an argument.
People do everyday in traffic. President Trump did it as a candidate and
does it as president.

I agree that many people ridicule the President for his appearance,
mannerisms, behavior, and the like. Some of them I know and I tell them they
are not winning friends or influencing people outside their tribe. OTOH,
there are people whose criticisms of the president's behaviors and policies
are reasonable ones. The Atlanta Journal Constitution runs daily
side-by-side op-eds - one from the left and one from the right. Today's
right listed President Trump's policy successes, but ended disagreeing with
one policy the essayist thought misguided. So how shall we assess this man's
reasoning?

Now returning to Alinsky. The other night I posted his first rule. Is is it
evil? Do only "lefties" use it?


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 22 23:46:05 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the opening credits theme song for Angel?
Answer: Darling violetta

Trivia Band Manager: notsoShyGirl
Trivia Roadies: Maverick



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 22 19:29:36 2018 199.127.148.10)
Edited: Wed Aug 22 20:40:04 2018
wolfguard I like to think my primary reason for the resurrection stuff is that I already had my Children of the Dale ficverse sketched out months before "Seeing Red" and rather than abandon it before I'd posted I'd deal with whatever Joss pitched my way. (I had planned to have Giles work it out with Olivia originally, but when 1- Joss had already killed most of my cats 2-I wrote "But Wishing Makes It so" and saw how she could work with the newer version of the gang, I went for it)
FirstDarla? Perhaps you're thinking the WhiteDarla who appeared in Angel S-4 was that? (Actually, in the last few minutes of "Lullaby," Darla was sort o like the latr white version we saw, so I decided it was justifiable to useher in my time-travel fic, with Spke seeing her in action and thinking "What *is* she?"



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 22 19:09:50 2018 209.159.255.231)
Maverick Any suggestions for finding motivation?



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 22 18:32:52 2018 165.225.38.81)
Maverick - That's the weird part to me. The local guy has nothing to do with claims. Our local agent is pretty much cut out of the process. We deal directly with the Claims Team, wherever they are. This is State Farm by the way.

This is the second time I've had to file a claim (the first was because of fire damage) and same thing, local guy was never heard from or seen after the initial call.

Which makes me wonder, what on earth does the local ins agent DO, exactly? What is his job?



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Maverick says:
(Wed Aug 22 17:08:25 2018 68.51.139.52)
Trivia Girl: "A New Evil?" introducing Corky Morgan as "Firsty."


Agent Cooper: I would suggest getting your Independent Insurance Agent involved. Tell him how you would like the accident settled; he SHOULD have some pull, depending upon how much business he places with the Company.


Wolfguard: I know that you would like there to be some kind of moral equivalence but the kind of "Ridicule" endorsed by Alinsky is more in the nature of an ad hominen attack, wherein the Left does not argue the issues but it attacks the person in terms of identity politics. Ridicule of Trump takes the form of mocking his hair style vanity, laughing at his tan, and reminding people that at dinner Trump fixes things so he always gets two scoops of ice cream for dessert, whereas the other guests only get one. Things like that.


Christopher Marlowe: I was ready to watch Veronica Mars of the FBI (the pilot for that was on the final DVD of the series.) I always liked her battles, as someone of lesser means, with the rich and famous and influential of Neptune. I actually went to see the Movie in the theater. The "Veronica Mars" people are the same people who created your "iZombie" series.


lostinamerica: Oh, they have fun with it. It's been around about 20+ years. Here's the Wikipedia Article on Woodward Dream Cruise Each year it seems to get more international attention.


Maverick


Expressway




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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 22 15:59:42 2018 209.159.255.231)
Edited: Wed Aug 22 17:26:01 2018
Today Wednesday, August 22nd 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


AjO
Gileslover
Sax Man
Willow Worshiper
Xandra

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to @AjO, Gileslover, Sax Man, Willow Worshiper, Xandra!


Buffy: Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy. Xander: I think I liked it more when you were kicking me in my puffy groin. 'I Was Made To Love You''''

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 22 15:27:29 2018 165.225.38.81)
Lostinamerica: Oh yes, we're very on board with that. My current car was a late model used car when I bought it. We're looking at late model used cars for my wife now in case her car can't be fixed. We've settled on a couple of models so we're ready.

I won't buy another new car. It's not worth it, and they are crazy expensive right now. Used is the way to go. We've been to CarMax a few times, they've got a pretty interesting system. May end up going with them.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Aug 22 14:44:04 2018 206.124.19.175)
Trivia Girl
Darling Violetta



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 22 14:13:43 2018 209.159.255.231)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: Who did the opening credits theme song for Angel?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 22 13:55:55 2018 209.159.255.231)
yay sweeper!

deadguy qod

My guess would be Los Angeles, Cleveland, New York, New Orleans, and Portland!


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!


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